Kevin Bray, please STFU

What a ignorant fool he is! This is why I don't even bother checkin out these dumbass shows based on current trends targeted to young audience (this is why this show is going to be on UPN, who watches UPN anyway?). Everyone of those shows are waste of my time. Anyway where has Kevin Bray been? Did he just come out from a coma? Does he realize that Hip Hop's been around prior to Eminem? I hope this show flops after first episode! True heads should boycott tha show.

Word. I agree with DJ Musashi.

But then again, there might be some truth in what Benzino (or Wack-zino) keeps screaming in The Sauce all the time:

[paraphasing] People are believing that Eminem is the "God of Hip-Hop."

While I do think Eminem is a dope rapper, he certainily doesn't hold any copyright (or recognition) to making hip-hop more accessible to Middle America.

It's these types of statements that puts our music and culture in "historical" jeparody. Next thing you know, Eminem will be credited for making "turntablism" more accessible to Middle America.

Now I can see why so many people are so disenchanted with hip-hop.

I was going to tune into the show because writer John Ridley (who wrote the screenplay to the brilliant ensemble war flick The Three Kings) was involved in the project.

Now I hope Platinum goes copper in the ratings.

oh I didn't know that guy was involved.. I'll have to try and be home by 9, and take a look at this. I must say the song that comes on when you go to their site is pretty lame: http://www.upn.com/shows/platinum/

"My house, my car, my toast, my butter, my jelly, my latte"

yeah its funny to think that most of America would hear "Shook Ones" and say "oh it's that 8 Mile song!"

As if MC Serch,Pete Nice,Everlast,Vanilla Ice
and Bubba Sparks weren't heard and seen by
Whites in Middle America.Kevin Bray'll
probably mention that hiphop wasn't a commercial
phenomenion until Eminem's "8 Mile" was a
success in the movies.His reasoning is bogus
and has no validity.This is one of many reasons
I haven't and refuse to look at television
and the poisonous lies it influences.

In the eyes of the mainstream; ELVIS HAS ARRIVED in the form of Eminem

I don't know where the stat comes from but I remember hearing around '92 that 80% of gangster rap was being bought by white, American, middle class, teenagers.
Everyone else was dubbing those cassettes.

i never said this was a good thing ladies, i'm saying it took slim to get a show like this made - in the eyes of tv execs. and as for me and hip hop i go waaay back...look it up or ask russell.

mr. bray aka mc lumpsum

You are still full of shit Kevin Bray. And your reported comment, "Thanks to Eminem, hip-hop is an art form that's been made accessible to middle America" is not only incorrect but asinine.

Oh, and by the way, we all know who you are and your history with hip-hop, which makes these comments even more stranger coming from a guy like you.

You should know better.

Well, Kevin, if you meant to say that Eminem has made hip-hop accessible in the eyes of tv execs, that's all well and good, I'm sure they wouldn't have given Platinum the greenlight before Em blew up.

But the problem is, that's not what you said in the original quote. You said "Thanks to Eminem, hip-hop is an art form that's been made accessible to middle America, to every race and class of people..." You didn't present it as the opinion of TV execs, you stated it as a fact.

So if you simply misspoke, and didn't mean to say that, please say so. Or if you were misquoted, of course please let us know.

Otherwise, I'd have to refer you once again to that first option offered in the title of this entry.

Best of luck with the show though, I have watched the first two episodes and although I had mixed feelings, it certainly showed potential.

I think it's easy for long-time hip hop fans to get defensive as soon as Eminem gets credit for bridging the hip hop fanbase from the inner-city to the suburbs...he's just a white boy with some skill...so? That's my mentality at least.

But this is a historical debate, much larger than Em or Kevin Bray. It's sad but true that Eminem has given white america access to hip hop in a way that they didn't before -- and yeah, white folks are mostly middle american.

Don't let your defensiveness keep you from seeing the bigger picture. Eminem is most definitely not a God. But he has been important to bridging the audiences, as sad as it is to admit.

JVic, it's not an issue of defensiveness regarding Em, you've probably seen on okayplayer that I'm always the first to defend him, and I made it clear here as I always do that I have no beef with him whatsoever on this issue.

But the thing is, what you just said is not what Mr. Bray said.

Certainly Eminem has made hip-hop more accessible to many in middle America, and I would not even agree with you that this is necessarily a sad thing. But Kevin didn't say Em has made it more accessible to all races, he said Em made it accessible, period. This is simply incorrect.

To suggest, as he did, that nobody reached middle america before Em is a disrespect to the many artists who opened those doors before him. Em has certainly opened those doors wider, but Mr. Bray spoke as if the doors where shut before Slim Shady came along.

Damn, Jay.
You right, you right.

Except...my question is this: who got to middle America like Eminem before him on the same scale?

I don't think anyone has gotten across on the same scale as Em.. all the artists I listed above reached millions of people across all demographics, but I don't think any of them reached the level Em is at now.

Aspects of this phenomenon can be galling, I won't deny, but for the most part I saw more power to him. As long as he stops doing these rock ballads.

now you guys are having a real objective discussion, i love the music (and its history) too but we gotta be real - Em is a major force in pop culture's perception of the genre. as for being misquoted, i was under quoted. i said nelly, missy and finally Em were instrumental in getting the mainstream to take the music seriously i.e. their record sales. and we all know the prospect of loot pricks up the mans ears every time. voila, a hip hop tv show is born. "hate the game" and keep watching please.

mr. bray
signing off

This show is absolutely terrible. I watched the re run of it on Tuesday just to see what I missed and I see that I didn't miss much. This is about as close to horrible acting as "New York Undercover" came. All I see is people directed to act how this idiot "thinks" Hip Hop is supposed to be conveyed. It's like the actors are talking and acting like they are in a damn video rather than real life. The situations I see played out in that "one" episode were bogus. Like the woman who wanted to fuck Sticky Fingers on top of a million dollars...GET THE FUCK REAL. Is this how you and Hip Hop go way back? And to retort your comment on Eminem...I would say thanks to Eminem there's a serious black eye in the game. Folks is losing they minds over this dude with no regard for the artform anymore. And Eminem is losing his direction "without" taking responsiblity for his words. It's one thing to bob your head to something but it's a different world when you actually listen to it. I don't agree with all the Em says. And at times the line between comedy and reality seem to always be blurred and I'm about sick of the comedy. It "aint" funny. And this wack ass show you constructed....."aint" entertaining. If you wanted to convey Hip Hop.....show the real deal. Show the dude or group using they last to get a home together to work on this music shit. Show the learning of equipment like the ASR-10, MPC. SP1200. Show the artist with a message that can actually catch the attention of the masses. Show how life reflects art and vice versa. Show grafitti, show bombing, show breakdance battles. Show DJ battles. Encompass that into a package that can be viewed by the ignorant audience who thinks "gangsta" is supposed to be the label for all folks who rap and look like me. Funny....Em spews the most offensive lyrics to date and no one has called him "gangsta" yet. I'm so sick of a damn Hip Hop shows with these bullshit stereotypes. If you are about Hip Hop show it in the realest essence. Produce the real....rather than something that looks like you studied under Hype Williams.

Shut up Lunchboxx. This is not the place for your ignorance. Go back to okayplayer and post more pictures of your dick. Idiot.

Lunchbox Said IT
Nothing more needs to be said

J, you can't win with these tight sweater dudes.
let's just hope they have a crisis at UPN and this show goes the way of Desmond Pfeiffer. And mr.bray, if you go way back with hip-hop, how come you didn't bring that up in your article.

Dear Mr. tired of your mouth...

Lunchboxx is welcome to say anything he likes here so it most definitely is the place for him, you and everyone else.

Nicely said...

I know I'm late responding to the show Pla.

Now I had my problem with the show but it is all good. Look around; there arn't many television show in the main stream with blacks staring roles.

As far as Em; he has changed the game and just paved the way for more young talents.

Good job KGB

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