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hip hop will let go of its homophobia when a gay rapper comes along with rhymes and beats so super hot, it just can't be ignored. or so we hope.

I think the hip-hop homophobia has to do with the wider african-american homophobia. I have never heard the word "faggot" used more than when I have been chillin' with groups of black men doing anything from watching tv to playing ball to having a meal.

Frustrating beyond all belief.

jason, i feel you on that. its definitely a symptom of a larger problem.

But the question is how and if that homophobia in the larger community is being addressed. For example Jason you say that you hear "faggot" when you're in a group of black men. Do you or anyone else tell them to check their language or does everyone just let it slide? Is it just the way it is and everybody just ignores it?

And (not to sound more knowledgeable about hip hop than I am but....) since a large portion of the hip hop audience is white suburbanites and a pronounced homophobia is often found in hip hop music it's scary to think that if the larger African-American community influences hip hop musicians to be homophobic and then potentially those musicians are encouraging (either on purpose or just as an effect of equating faggot with less than a "real man") both their black and white fans to become more homophobic. Damn.

I really don't think homophobia in Hip Hop will go away as long the current trend continues. If you take a look at majority of "mainstream" hip hop music. Majority of them are all about alcohol, violence, drugs, and/or sex. I mean, I don't listen to those "jiggy, bounce" crap. But if you look at Billboard charts you could easily tell that majority are supposedly listening and liking those music with such subject matters. It almost seem like there will be nothing left when you take those elements out of their lyricism. So unless the current trend changes and Hip Hop become more conscious and responsible in general (as to mainstream), we will continue to see and hear same 'ol BS that are perpetuated by those "bling-bling", "jiggy", and "bounce" music and artists (do we really care if your "favorite" artist gets many girls, don't like gays, drink and smoke alot, and got a bankroll?... I don't!). I just think it is so funny (being sarcastic) that many people are buyin' into this crap. I guess not many people takes lyricism seriously enough to know that what they are listening to got no substance and they are bunch 'o garbage. People don't seem to be offended when they hear "fag this" "fag that" in lyrics. So maybe deep down most of the people don't give a f**k about things like this on daily basis... If this is true, how sad is that? Also if you listen to same 'ol bs all the time, whether you like it or not, it will become part of you. So if you listen to songs with "fag this, fag that" often enough, you will pick up on it.

"Pittsburgh and Buffalo, which have low percentages of gay couples, were two of only three major regions to lose population from 1990 to 2000."
Hmmm... this is interesting because if you have less gay couples, you have decline in population? How that's possible?

Hmmm...

Good Questions Michelle and they are making me think about a larger context in the ways we deal with language and taboos within the black community. I have suggested that "faggot" is whack before and then had my sexuality questioned for raising objection or been told that I'm too sensitive and, you know, "we're just playin'" and there is a lot of that that seems natural in conversation amongst black folks that "we're just talkin' shit" mode that seems like a pass to say anything/to get raw.

Unless you start talking about god or the church and then somebody will get seriously offended "don't play, nigga, don't play." There are some other categories that you can't play with but homosexuality is open season.

At least that's been my experience.

And I don't know what that does to the larger consciousness when hip-hop makes it okay to play like that.

If you are constantly exposed to those homophobic messsages, you will probably unconsciously learn to be one. Same thing with lots of things. Like being in a religion or being a racist. Many people that I've known for years are into religion not so much because they have shopped around and made their decision to join one that fits them best. But more often people are into their religion because that's what they grew up on. I think same could be said for racists. Many racists can't even make rational argument as to why they are "racists" other than the fact that they just hate other races, period. And many of these people are breed into it. Basically got conditioned into thinking in those terms. So if people are mindlessly being exposed to these homophobic messages, they will end up being one or at least act like they are one because those music are telling them that it is cool to be one and it is alright to be one. I really don't know if many of those "homophobic" people could really explain rationally as to why they are homophobic. Whether we like it or not, I believe environment that we put ourselves in and things that we expose ourselves to in daily basis has lot to do with how we shape our opinons and acts. But if you look at what's selling now, it seems like we as society decided that it's faily acceptable (in music world) for people to project homophobic messages.

To me, it seems like that all of these offensive words that get prohibited from the media are now more conteversial, but become acceptable to be used by the minorities, but only by those minorities, that they offend. For instance the "n" word is acceptable in the media as long as it is only spoken by an African-American, just as the "b" word is acceptable when spoken by a woman, which isn't always true. A conservative society is slow to change, and if society forms from a conservative society, then the contreversial parts of that society will remain for a relatively long period of time. I know that sounds stretched and obvious, but it's the exact point your mentioning. Our society is growing more and more open-minded, but until the a large part of our media stops projecting that the "f" word is acceptable, then this homophobia will continue to corrupt a fair amount of that media's target audience. Even I feel that I must abbreviate these supposedly contreversial words that, to many, are a lot more than just a few syllables and letters. However, it seems that world is changing and that the crude use of the "f" word may eventually become unacceptable to most of our society.

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