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March 25, 2004"Slack Jawed" Republicans Ban Female Genital PiercingsThe sad thing is they are actually trying to help women with this bill, but they're too clueless to get it right: Georgia House Votes for Genital-Piercing Ban As Pandagon said, "this is what happens when old men make laws affecting young women." Posted by jsmooth995 at March 25, 2004 6:18 PMComments
Posted by: One-quick-question at March 25, 2004 6:25 PM I hope so, that would inspire some incredible music. When rhymes are outlawed, only outlaws will have rhymes. That would shake up a lot of artists who are content these days to rap about how comfortable they are. Posted by: Jay Smooth at March 25, 2004 6:29 PM God, I can't believe I actually live in this backwards state.... Posted by: karsh at March 25, 2004 7:59 PM Up here in North Dakota they just legalized bikini waxings last session. No joke. And most of the legislators didn't know what it meant. (I give them credit for being reasonable when they found out, though.) Posted by: Pookel at March 26, 2004 3:26 AM I applaud those legislators for passing a law that would without a doubt draw a massive amount of criticism. Need I remind you that this country is NOT about YOU... if you would take a few minutes and look around, you will actually see OTHER PEOPLE, and many with vastly different views than you might have... and while I have your attention, take ANOTHER glimpse at the US Constitution and make note that it starts with the phrase "We the People"... that means (for those who may not know) that the citizens of this country are indeed a GROUP of people instead of just separate INDIVIDUALS who just happen to be in close proximity... so my point would be that those legislators listened to their respective constituants and passed the legislation based on local beliefs. If there are individuals that live in that community who don't agree with the law then they are "Free" to move out. It is important to recognize that limits to "personal rights" are necessary for the benefit of society as a whole. 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Society can and does execute its own mandates; and if it issues wrong mandates instead of right, or any mandates at all in things with which it ought not to meddle, it practices a social tyranny more formidable than many kinds of political oppression, since, though not usually upheld by such extreme penalties, it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating much more deeply into the details of life, and enslaving the soul itself. Protection, therefore, against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough; there needs protection also against the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling, against the tendency of society to impose, by other means than civil penalties, its own ideas and practices as rules of conduct on those who dissent from them; to fetter the development and, if possible, prevent the formation of any individuality not in harmony with its ways, and compel all characters to fashion themselves upon the model of its own. There is a limit to the legitimate interference of collective opinion with individual independence; and to find that limit, and maintain it against encroachment, is as indispensable to a good condition of human affairs as protection against political despotism. Posted by: Jay Smooth at March 27, 2004 1:16 PM the thought police at it again. Posted by: pexdiggy at March 30, 2004 4:05 PM Okay, One question why the "heck" is this only limited to females? So now we cant get the pleasure out of getting a part of our body peirced but guys are more than welcome to get a PA???? I am begining to believe that my home state of Georgia is shall we say behind the times. Posted by: stephanie at March 31, 2004 11:40 PM Regarding comments of Jay Smooth: Well, I am impressed with your ability to cut and paste a quote from a philosopher born over 200 years ago and better yet, to imply that his quote somehow has some type of significant application to our lives today. Laughable. If it helps, though, I can offer more contemporary material that may support your selfish ideology: "Nike says, 'Just do it.'" or better yet: Egocentrism - It's not just for children anymore. Posted by: MadMaxx at April 1, 2004 3:08 PM Mad Maxx: Uhh, you better go back and read your original post, cuz your entire argument was based on quoting a document written over 200 years ago. Laughable, indeed. Posted by: Jay Smooth at April 1, 2004 3:18 PM Mr. Smooth: Now, admittedly, I did only a quick search on the internet yet I was still unable to find any evidence of any amendments being added to the works of Mr. John Stuart Mill reflecting changes in a maturing society. Oh, that's right... it's only a philosophical opinion and NOT the basis for an active government. Yeah, I can see where you might get those two confused. Posted by: MadMaxx at April 2, 2004 4:34 PM Mad Maxx: The amendments are not relevant to your argument, which referred only to the opening phrase "We the People." But more importantly if you can't explain specifically what aspects of Mill's analysis are not applicable today, and why, you're really not telling us anything. Do you have anything to offer in response to the actual substance of the quote? Posted by: Jay Smooth at April 2, 2004 5:00 PM Mr. Smooth: My "argument" consists of a series of posts that I have made on this topic, which may even reference items in your own posts. I guess I didn't follow your rules, "Oh great seer of all that is relevant". I should have just copied and pasted the entire US Constitution, so that there would be less whining about what I am able to reference or what you feel is relevant. *****NOTE***** You cut and paste a clip from a published philosopher to which you have aligned your own views, and then request that I debate not you, but this philosophy that you are hiding behind. Rather convenient, wouldn't you say? I guess next you will be critiquing not only content, but my grammar, spelling, and bibliography of fewer than 8 sources (oh, the shame). One question, though, "How much will this count toward my final grade?" Obviously, you either missed my response to the "substance" of your quote or you just ignored it entirely. Understandable, though, as I didn't give you reinforcement by throwing in pretty words like social tyranny or absolutism. Ok, I will elaborate on the reference I made in response to the "substance" of your posted quote: Rationalized egocentrism topped with paranoia
Posted by: MadMaxx at April 2, 2004 10:14 PM Here's a hypothetical letter from the Federal Government: "Dear MadMaxx, We the People have got together and decided that we do not like the pen name "MadMaxx." We have come to the consensus that no sane person would use this pen name, and we do not approve of anyone doing so. In that light, we have passed a federal bill that requires anyone who uses, or has ever used, the pen name "MadMaxx" to be imprisoned for 75 years, or life, whichever is less." Now wouldn't that suck? But, according to your argument, MadMaxx, they'd be perfectly within their rights and you'd be in the wrong. There is such a thing as "unconstitutional," and the undue limitation of personal freedom is protected under the philosophy within your Constitution. 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