March 16, 2005

Chris Rock Crossfire

A lot of talk about Chris Rock lately in blogville, coming from some very different angles.

South London's Soul On Ice blog digs the hip-hop sensibility at the root of Chris' comedy:

...Part of what makes Rock so interesting as a hip hop comedian is his measured perspective of the culture. In an interview with Nelson George on the Bring The Pain DVD, Rock insists that his 'Niggas Vs Black People' calling card merely traverses ground already covered by Ice Cube, Chuck D and KRS-One and cites his exposure to NWA's 'Straight Outta Compton' as a life-changing moment which taught him that "you can say anything... and get paid for it."
Yet despite the reverence for hip hop culture, Rock refuses to deify it or excuse its more questionable moments. In his 1999 follow-up Bigger And Blacker, Rock ridicules the way the deaths of Biggie and Tupac were described as assassinations: "Martin Luther King was assassinated," says Rock, "Malcolm X was assassinated. John F Kennedy was assassinated. Them two niggas got shot!" For some it's a harsh assessment, but then it's kicked with that "say anything" conviction that's well, intrinsically hip hop...

But Danyel Smith, after the Oscars, was somewhat less than enamored:

I can't take Chris Rock hollering at me from the television set, so I'm posting. Let me 'fess up now. I never have liked Rock. There's a reason he was guest editor of the last issue of Vibe I oversaw: I was a lame duck. Rock's an angry man, but the difference between him and say, Pryor, is that I rarely got the feeling Pryor was angry at me. Rock's comedy resonates with a real dislike of himself, and of women, and of blacks in general. He hates his position in the world, vaunted though it has become. I can relate to hating How Things Are (see previous post) even though Everything Seems Really Great, and I applaud his right to yell about it. But the thing is, I don't have to listen. Rock brings no insight to my life, no laughter, no new knowledge, nothing but a barely-veiled bitterness that he hawks up as humorlessly as snot. And he's a sucker-puncher ... he leads with a compliment, and ends with s**t on my face. Sneaky bastard. Wishing he and his all future happiness.

Then in Danyel's comment section, Hashim took a shot at Sir Richard:

"Rock is a loud self hating complainer, and Pryor isn't? Hmmm...can't cosign that."

Which caused me, as a fanatical Pryor acolyte, to have a fit:

I like Chris a lot more than [Danyel], and I've often found him smart and insightful. But I've been feeling more and more alienated from him over the years.
What I love most about Richard Pryor is his material was always driven by love and compassion.. Every wino, every prison inmate, heck every deer and gazelle he portrayed, you could always sense his love for that being. And in particular, there was NEVER (and I study his work like scripture) a time that Richard approached his own people from a place of scorn or derision.

But I can't say the same for Chris. I find a lot of his stuff to be bitterly judgmental, coming from a place of "better-than" that really turns me off.

His riffs about the Black community are the most obvious examples.. but even his recent routine about strippers, though it made me laugh before I had time to let it marinate, was smugly judgmental to the point of being damn near hateful. It really troubled me how blithe Chris was about looking down on these women who give him lapdances, and reveling in lazy stereotypes about them ("please, none of these girls ever goes to college!!"), without ever examining his own role in it as one who has obviously paid for their lapdances many a time.

To whatever degree Richard was self-hating, he was always aware of it; he used his comedy fearlessly to explore those places, examined his own flaws with a rigor that was key to his genius. But Chris is rarely willing to go there, he mostly sticks to pointing out the flaws of those around him, while positioning himself above it all.

Richard never gave the impression he thought he was above anybody. He never lost sight of anyone's humanity. (on stage, at least)

There's a lot more I'd want to say, if I could figure out how to say it, about how he addresses our issues within the black community, the form in which puts them out there for public consumption.. his Magic Johnson theater sketch definitely set off alarm bells for me.

If you've read this far I'm sure you have an opinion too. Please share below.

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My best friend teaches 9th grade english at Crenshaw High in Los Angeles. And he reports that the kids in his class don't like Chris Rock because he "hates Black people."

So who DO they like?

Chris Tucker.

I think the less I say here, the better.

Posted by: Daniel at March 16, 2005 7:06 AM

I've always liked Chris Rock because he always (cliche coming!) "Keeps it real." But the real reason I like him is because he can piss off black people AND white people equally. :)

Posted by: Stone at March 16, 2005 9:02 AM

I always felt like Richard Pryor was not so much self-hating as obsessed with his own flaws. I know it�s a subtle distinction, but to me being obsessed with your flaws is ultimately hopeful � you believe on some level that your obsession will help you to change - while being self-hating is more nihilistic. The vibe I always got � which is one of the many reasons I love Richard Pryor�s work � is that by making his flaws the subject of his comedy, he was kind of asking for our help, in an indirect, but also incredibly fearless way. To me, the ability to do that and also be incredibly funny is not only genius on a purely technical level, but also an incredible gift to us as his audience, in that it allows us to see a very dark reality while avoiding both disdain on the one hand and pity on the other. How many people can pull that off? Certainly not Chris Rock. The thought-experiment I always use is to imagine giving any other comic this assignment: �I want you to write a routine about how your father used to beat the shit out of you, how you�re a wimp, your true experiences as an unrepentant basehead, your suicide attempt, your
heart attack, and how you shot your wife�s car when your were fucked up. Oh, and make sure it�s funny!� Pryor does it so well you don�t even notice how amazing it is that he's doing it
in the first place

Posted by: Joe at March 16, 2005 12:28 PM

9th graders are what? 14 or 15 years old. How long has it been since Chris Tucker was in a movie? Four or Five years? How are kids that young going to be clinging to somebody like that?

Posted by: Black at March 16, 2005 2:14 PM

Ease Back!! Damn!! Those who over analyze comedy do it injustice. The first justification for comedy is to make you laugh, if it did that, that's what it is. Chris Rock never said he was this or that, it's us puttin all this stuff into his shit by analysing it. People who study the mind say that laughter is the result of feeling uncomfortable, need I say more? Let him do the damned thing, if you don't think it's funny don't watch. And how many blacks do we all know that hate thier own people, at least this dude makes us laugh.

Posted by: Hanson at March 16, 2005 3:05 PM

I'm a die hard Rock fan to the point of where I waited at Tower Records at midnight on the eve of his Never Scared album release, and yes I was the only one.

But I don't see how anyone could not like Rock. Nevermind that he's hilarious, besides that the man just speaks the truth and makes it relateable. I mean I could understand how a Klansmen would not enjoy him but this just goes to show you people don't want to hear honesty at all.

On my site's journal, I go into detail about people's fucking problem with Rock hosting the Oscars for those interested. But, one question, why is America so scared of a smart black man that doesn't speak like Bryant Gumbel?

Posted by: Brandon Thompson at March 16, 2005 6:17 PM

I like Bill Cosby's quote about Rock, about how he makes him laugh even when he doesn't agree with him.

All good comedy gets called mean-spirted at one point. I remember buying a copy of "Bicentennial Nigger" on vinyl from an old black man having a garage sale in San Francisco years ago. There was a huge scratch in the record. I asked him how it happened, and he said, "I was listening to it with my wife at the time, and she didn't like what Richard had to say about women. So she scratched the record with her fingernails. I should've kept my mouth shut, but he was telling the truth and I couldn't help but laugh..."

He let me have the record for free. He was done with Richard Pryor.

Rock is doing his job, if people are upset at his routines. But he also knows that he ain't pretty to look at, and he injects that into his bits. He has made light of his ignorance of Black history, and in interviews explains his penchant for crack jokes as the result of being horrified by the effects the crack epidemic had on people he used to respect (in particular, girls he might've liked who gave up the booty for drugs).

I don't think Chris Rock thinks he's above it all. As he once said in a stand-up bit, "Nobody is above an ass-whipping" and I think Rock knows that he is included in that company.

btw: If there's ever been a black comic who put himself "above it all", it was Eddie Murphy, whose routines I grew up on. So did Chris Rock-- Eddie was mentor to him, Martin Lawrence and Dave Chapelle. Why no mention of this? It's as if black comedy started with Pryor and ended with Rock in regards to this topic. What about Def Comedy Jam and Comic View? Anyone watch those lately? Chris Rock is positively humble and polite compared to the comics on those shows...

Posted by: James at March 16, 2005 7:27 PM

I agree 100% with the above poster. Rock is funny as hell and is an equal-opportunity offender. Frankly I don't even get where you get the idea that he "hates Black people". Are we even talking about the same person? Did nobody see his first HBO special where he actually came down pretty hard on interracial relationships?
I think it just bothers some folks who always want to be portrayed as saints and are happy enough to laugh at everyone else but can't take it when it's dished to them. If folks would learn to lighten up about themselves and the world in general they'd understand that Rock's humor comes from love and an intimate knowledge of his subject matter.
No one's saying he's perfect, and like ALL comedians he makes sweeping generalizations about groups of people, but anyone with an IQ over 70 should be able to understand the humor in the outrageousness of those generalizations.
Oh, hell I hate having to explain jokes to people who don't get them. Y'all haters sound like Sean Penn at the Oscars.

Posted by: Kami at March 17, 2005 10:00 AM

Okay, against my better judgement, I have something else to say:

Other than Chris Rock, is there any high-profile comedian in America who is talking about substantive, political stuff that matters?

I'm no expert in the field, but in my mind, the only one in his league is Margaret Cho. Ever seen "I'm The One That I Want?" That was her "Bring The Pain." For years, she has stood for the dignity of gays, lesbians, Asians, Asian-Americans, African-Americans and, more importantly, herself as a human mixture of those and other cultural elements.

Now, is Margaret Cho a well-balanced, together individual? Does she have it all together? Hell, no. She's f**king crazy. Is Chris Rock? No again. Chris is a texbook example of insecurity and self-consciousness. I never thought Chris Rock was funny in his early years, the SNL days included. He always seemed to be asking himself the question, "Is this sh*t I'm saying right now really funny?" I saw it in his eyes. His lack of presence in the moment, his lack of full immersion, is one of the things that make him a terrible actor.

That being said, something happened between the SNL days and "Bring The Pain." I don't know what. But Chris suddenly said "F**k it," and brought himself out into the open: His Gifts and his Ugliness. But when I see somebody doing that, when I see that they do indeed deeply care about what's happening in the world, that they're passionate enough to yell about something that puts them at risk; and can articulate a point so well that it makes me laugh, or get angry, or whatever; I have to respect that courage.

Chris is angry, unresolved; he seems like he was the kind of kid who was kicked around the block and now he's exacting vengeance; but it energizes his humor, which I find to be, in his later years, very funny and on point. No disrespect inteneded to others' viewpoints; but if you want to start complaining about someone else's lack of compassion, you're on shaky ground if you don't first extend that same compassion and understanding to them.

Posted by: Daniel at March 17, 2005 5:01 PM

You folks are like okayplayer haters. Chris rock is a funny brotha and actually has substance in his comedy. And because he can critique his own people folks get offended. I guess folks can live with the slapstick minstrel comedy from upn. Everyone has their opinion and I have know a few heads who think he is corny. But to call him a person who 'hates black people' is as funny as 'never scared'. Compating rock to pryor is unfair. They come from completely different eras. Its unfair to both of them. Also, Ms. Smith needs to be critiquing the minstrel show @ vibe and all the self hating that happens between some of those pages...

Posted by: dolo at March 19, 2005 10:45 AM

Margaret Cho, bwhahahaa, fuck outta here. She's not funny.

Now if you want politics, Carlin and Maher have been doing the liberal schtick for more than a minute.

Posted by: k. orr at March 21, 2005 2:22 AM

True about Carlin and Maher... I didn't count them because I don't identify either of them -- although funny and on point -- with my generation. Both Rock and Cho, though coming from vastly different backgrounds and geography, both have something of the hip-hop sensibility.

As for your dislike of Cho, comedy doesn't lie. It either makes you laugh or it doesn't. But Cho and Rock are steady selling out venues... so you know, you don;t have to laugh at Cho, she'll be aiight. She's got leigons in the streets. You can watch HBO. ;-)

Posted by: Daniel at March 21, 2005 12:29 PM

s'funny. if black people say Chris Rock hates black people, that's a problem?

one thing i've learned about being in academia - you need to make sure black people are BLACK. because there are plenty of brown-skinded people who look like me who HATE the fact that they're black and devote lots of time an energy in distancing themselves from any kind of association with blackness.

chris rock might profess to love black people and black women, but his words contain a core of bitterness and hatred that i have trouble swallowing.

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