Common on Slow Simmering Sprite Coke Backlash

Kind of an amoral response, right? Part of the journey? You can do what ever you want and it's OK if it's part of the journey? You can't let people get away with lines like that.

Ultimately, rap artists much choose which millions of asses to kiss. Two years ago Common kissed one group of millions of asses. This year he kisses a different group of asses. But it still comes down to asess. Asses, asses, asses. No homo.

I don't really think it's amoral. He's just saying that like everyone else, he makes mistakes and bad choices, and he learns and grows from them.

I thought it was a Coke commercial, but since Sprite is owned by Coke, it doesn't make a difference... this was a good piece.

I guess it was coke, i must remember it as sprite just cuz they has had so many hip-hop ads over the years.

good work helping Common out of that corner!

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Common is human. We all make mistakes.

I kinda liked that song by the way. :/

Wow. You really threw him a line there. Defending the indefensble...

"I don't really think it's amoral. He's just saying that like everyone else, he makes mistakes and bad choices, and he learns and grows from them." (Dennis)

But unless he recognizes those as bad mistakes, it is amoral.

"And they understood that I was being true to me, they know that "man, even if we didn't like that, that dude was being himself. He was being true to who he was at that time, and that's waht he wanted to create." (Common)

To paraphrase, it's saying "I can do whatever I want, as long as I wanted to do it."

Again, it's the circular, rationalizing logic.

How about Master P appearing on Nickelodeon? Well he oviously isn't constrained by pressure to "keep it real". More power to him! According to Common, we should cheer this move.

Jay, you need to do something about your comments ASAP. That "kioji" dude's site links to kiddie porn (or at least purports to be; I didn't go beyond clicking on his name).

What ever happened to "I'm sorry?" Whatever happened to, "I f*cked up, I've learned from my mistakes, let's move on?" I have infinitely more respect for someone like the Beastie Boys who publicly apologized for their anti-gay statements a few years back than someone who's just all about, "Well, hey, I was young and foolish at the time, but I have no regrets." OK, I know a Coke commercial is nowhere near the same as gay-bashing but I'm talking principle here. Flip-flopping on the issues without acknowledging your own mistakes only undermines your credibility. It's sorta like when "Check the Rhime" came out & took Hammer to task: "Rap is not pop, if you call it that then stop." And then two years later, Tribe goes and makes a Sprite commercial.

Wow.. sounds like a rather high and mighty POV to assume that ANY artist shouldn't try something they feel at the time then why are they artist???!!!

By the way.. that song did kinda suck

Why do so many rap artists do Sprite commercials? I must admit I am ignorant on this, because ever since Gran Puba kicked a verse in the studio with a can of Sprite in his hand so many years ago, it seems like rappers like Sprite. Do they give money to the black community? Do they support rap artists? What is there to gain by hawking for the Coke/Sprite guys?

This reminds me of when Ice Cube asked his fans to switch from Old English 800 to St. Ides in the song "Steady Mobbin'" because they were givin' ends". Yeah, but it's still malt liquor.

That said, what does it say about Sprite that even an MC as far-out there as Kool Keith did an ad for them?

Why do so many rap artists do Sprite commercials? I must admit I am ignorant on this, because ever since Gran Puba kicked a verse in the studio with a can of Sprite in his hand so many years ago, it seems like rappers like Sprite. Do they give money to the black community? Do they support rap artists? What is there to gain by hawking for the Coke/Sprite guys?

This reminds me of when Ice Cube asked his fans to switch from Old English 800 to St. Ides in the song "Steady Mobbin'" because they were "givin' ends". Yeah, but it's still malt liquor.

That said, what does it say about Sprite that even an MC as far-out there as Kool Keith did an ad for them?

can we please get back to talking about asskissing asses?

A lot of rappers do ads for Sprite cause Sprite wants rappers for its ads. A long time ago it made a decision to market itself as the 'hip-hop soft drink'.

Why do rappers make the decision to do the ad? The answer is simply money. Most rappers don't make as much as people think and a company like Coke has a huge budget for advertising.

Its easy for people to say they would never do an ad when no one is asking them to be in one. When someone asks you to be in an ad and you find out you could make a lot of money doing it, its a different story. Its like one minute you're struggling with the bills, the next your house is paid for. Thanks Coke!

whether you think it is right or not... doesn't change the asskiss. he did it. that is the beauty of asskissing. it is hard to stop a good asskiss.

As much as I am against corporate co-opting of artists, it seems to me that all of this "sellout" talk originated with punk music. Rap co-opted it, but let's face it: RUN-DMC wanted the broadest possible audience; so did Cold Crush and Sugar Hill and all of the old school acts.

They wanted to get "paid".

The Beatles were sellouts. Jimi Hendrix couldn't make it in America, so he moved to Europe in order to make it big. Sly Stone sold out, even as he was flaking on performances and freebasin'. George Clinton & James Brown sold out time and time again, and yet we revere them as "visionaries"... but if they didn't garner mass appeal, would we even know who they are today?

Not to stretch the metaphor, but would Da Vinci have painted the Mona Lisa if the Medicis hadn't commissioned him to do it? How about Michaelangelo's David or the Sistine Chapel? All done for money, people. Even Van Gogh, who sold one painting in his lifetime, wanted to go mainstream.

It's one thing if Hammer does chicken ads and songs for cheesy movies; but if Tribe Called Qwest did a Sprite ad, does that make them whores? Not when they make dope beats and kick ill rhymes. Up until "Love Movement", they had me, and the only reason why I didn't like that album was because it wasn't as good as their others. Had nothing to do with a Sprite ad.

Leave Common alone. Calling him a kissass-- would you rather have him kissing poverty's ass, like every unsigned rapper out there? "Electric Church" was not a commercial album by any means. I think it's safe to say he didn't sell out, even if he did a Coke ad.

It's not like Common stumped for Bush during the last election. Now that's selling out.

Finally, fans sell out their faveorite rappers by subscribing to this notion that making money=artistic death. Outkast are making good cash, and their music is getting more progressive. Have they sold out? According to many, yes. Thank God they don't need to rely on fairweather fans for support.

btw: how many of you sellout haters drink Sprite in your free time? I bet you won't cop to it, will ya? Then again, y'all don't get paid to drink it.

That's a good one, james, I agree with u. Lay off common, will ya. Don't be troo altruistic. He got major exposure, major bucks... Heck Muhammad Ali is doing coke ads! How can u say its about kissing ass? It's called getting sponsored, stupid.

James,
I have no problem with any artist wanting to appeal commercially, or even get paid for advertising; that's not my point. What I'm saying is that when you claim to be anti-establishment, "underground," and degrade anyone else for being too mainstram -- and then turn around and use your own (sometimes incredible) talent to shill the latest sneakers or soft drink, to me you come across as a first-rate hypocrite. Sorry, but you're not gonna change me on that. RUN-DMC devoted a whole song to their Adidas but I never heard them claim to be more "underground" then the next guy or have a holier-than-thou attitude about who's really down for the cause & who's not. Not only am I hardcore Tribe fan, I also loved the Sprite commercial with Puba and CL Smooth (personally I never drink the stuff, but again that's not the point). But the minute they proclaim themselves to be the arbiters of what's real and what's not, all I gotta say is "PLEASE shut tha f*ck up." Mind you, like I said before, it's not something I lose sleep over, and I agree with you it's not like Common killed anyone or voted for Bush (which is pretty much the same thing), but I WILL call BS when I see it.

"It's one thing if Hammer does chicken ads and songs for cheesy movies; but if Tribe Called Qwest did a Sprite ad, does that make them whores? Not when they make dope beats and kick ill rhymes."

Now, what's that supposed to mean? That it's only selling out as long as your own favorite artist isn't doing it? Think about it.

Respect and sorry for the long post,
K

lets those who have never "sold out" post the first comment below this one . . .

i never sold out, but i've seen a lot of asses kissing.

I don't know, RUN-DMC had that one line in "Rock Box" about "don't want nobody's name on my behind" in reference to designer jeans... and they called anyone who wasn't as hard as they were "sucker MCs in bad Calvin Kleins"... and for all their songs about sneakers, I don't recall any of them doing ads for shoe companies.

All Common has ever done is call out MCs for being irresponsible with their lyrics, such as Ice Cube and the whole West Coast. I love gangsta rap and WC rap but Common had some good points. I'll admit, it turned my head to see Common on that Coke ad, but when "Electric Church" hit, I was like "Okay, all is forgiven". You wanna know why? Because that album is 180 degrees away from what's mainstream right now, and it was a bold move to make.

As for Hammer, I liked him when he first came out. "Turn This Mutha Out"? That was the jam for a while. I even liked "U Can't Touch This" when I first heard it. But he lost all his cred by doing cheesy ads, and to top it off his albums and songs got worse. "2 Legit 2 Quit"? B please. Hammer even dropped the "MC" from his name! The final insult to my intelligence was his attempt at goin' gangsta. Basically, he turned into the black Vanilla Ice.

And I'll go one further: I remember a time when real rap fans liked Vanilla Ice. At first, it was like "That white boy sure can dance, and he's a nice rhymer." The novelty of Vanilla Ice was still fresh. Then, a couple million albums, some wack wardrobe decisions, a lawsuit from Queen and a "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle" soundtrack later, he was played out. If he'd been able to make good songs, maybe he wouldn't have gone that route.

The fans from the underground want to keep their favorite artists in shackles, as if they own them. Kami, you don't own Common, and judging from the fact that "Electric Church" is a much slept-on album, neither does Coke. I can see if you thought that album was an attempt to be the new MTV sensation, but you'd have to be mad to argue that point: yes, "EC" has electric guitars and isn't a hardcore rap album, but Common certaily didn't play it safe with that record.

In other words, he didn't pull a Hammer and try to market himself to 14-year old girls with credit cards. All he did was one Coke ad. But as far as his artistry is concerned, Coke ain't got papers on Common. And I agree with him-- whatever he wants to do is his biz. You don't wanna buy his shit? Fine. Don't support him-- it's your choice. But I don't think he should regret his decision, and I think I'd lose respect for him if he did recant for that Coke ad just to please the backpacking crowd.

That said, this has been a really cool discussion, because right now I see rap has come full circle. There was a time when it was all about the place to be and gold chains and who's the baddest... isn't that what we have going on right now?

Any day now, African medallions and X hats will come back into style... at least, I hope it does... and maybe X-Clan will reunite.

On the Sprite Campaign from back in the day? The ad company was black.

In terms of his response, he didn't come out and say he was ashamed.

The folks all up in arms about Com doing a coke commercial, must not have been a part of the hip hop nation for the past 20 years.

Now I personally wonder what Ad Exec thought it was a good idea to put Com inthe commercial. Like he's popular enough to sell soda. Kinda like those quannum tracks in the Diet Coke Commercials, or the roots in that volkswagen commercial.

Luda and Pepsi makes sense.
Com and Coke though? Like Bohos are gonna put down their guava nectar cause Com said drink Coke, lol.

It's just business. I don't really see what the big deal is. If rappers can make money by selling soda, what is wrong with that. At least they are not hurting anyone.

And as for his response, yes we all grow, and learn and change our minds about things we did in the past. At least most people do, even though there are those who won't admit it.

Wow, there's been a lot going on in here since I came to Seattle! I gotta catch up on all this when I get back.

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being that Common and I are from the same spot-CHI-City i believe that wat he did really doesnt make him look bad. we out here are hustlers and if that means working w/coke or sprite- jus let it be. we do wat we gotta do. peace.

what happen to all the sage comments?

Oh he probably went whining to the board admin to delete them like he always does about everything else...stick to rap dude.your a disgrace to epitaph,looks like maybe your trying to force your steese

Hell you wont ever gain the punk crowd

As mentioned by a lot of folk here, a lot of rappers are guilty of holding the world to a certain standard and not holding themselves to the same. Rappers are quick to tell you how it T-I-is in regards to "sell-out" artists, which is a relative description nowadays, and then call their own moves, which everybody can see as "selling out", as part of their dynamic evolution and "discoveries" as an "artist".

Well hell, maybe the artists they crapped on earlier were undergoing a similar evolution. Christopher Columbus-type artists need to check themselves and at least acknowledge that they need to measure themselves with the same scale as they weigh others, or, in the words of MC Lyte, STFU.

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