Sage Francis on Common's Album

Why does the reaction of sage and his kind to any hip hop that is not overtly self aware and cynical always have to be negative? he must think he is pretty fucking great to hold everybody else to such high standards. like 'hey, if common only realized how fake he was, then he'd be real.' sure man, whatever. i'm so sick of this.

Man, for real I'm sick of those Anticon-related homos. I used to give Sage some credit but I can't take cats seriously when they comment on "black music" when they come from areas where there barely is a black population. I can understand the neo-soul movement, I just hate that it is categorized that. It's a return to and continuation of soul music that had diverted from it's path. But besides all that, Common is a hip-hop emcee and a rhymin muffucka at that. To me, watching Common evolve through his career has been as interesting as his rhymes.

F*ck Sage Francis for that sh*t. Word up.

thanks for the shout J. Had a great time last week we need to do it again. Isn't amazing how much we all want to talk about Common.

gotta say I love how jay always posts sage's inflammatory comments so he can be properly hated on. can't wait to hear be.

recently caught a sage show here in burque. was the wackest excuse for a hip-hop show i'd seen in ages. 'i like 99 rappers, but jay-z ain't one?' really sage? 99? are there really that many rappers on anticon? oh, wait, i guess he thinks rhymesayers is legit too, right?

problem with sage's take on rap music is the intellectual elitism that comes with it. so wha? you only a concious rapper if you been to college, are aware of the struggle & all its hypocrisies and rap about it like some white chuck d?

sage raps about the struggle. he ain't been in it.

that right there is the difference between him & common or him & hova.

must be nice to come up in Rhode Island and not have to worry about what life can be like in the PJs, huh?

shit man, i always laugh when someone blames a rapper for "selling out". what? you're gonna turn down a fat paycheck to rap a quick jingle about coke? right!

Wasn't Gil-Scott Heron's "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" co-opted for a Nike commercial years ago? I remember seeing it during a Laker game.

Man, f*ck Sage Francis for giving Rhode Island a bad name. It ain't at all like he says. His whole angle is so freaking boring. Check out CNJ Records for real RI hip-hop.

You didn't think that was funny?
Jesus, uptight pricks. haha

I can't believe I just spent minutes of my life reading that board. There were maybe two adults on that fucking board. The final warp up? "Sage, Mac, B.Dolan win?" Y'all cats never even got past the basic lessons of the sandbox, how you gonna call yourself educated, adults, revolutionary, conscious of anything beyond your dick measuring? Definitely all on the "getalifefellas" tip. I've never seen so much ignorance openly celebrated and endorsed. I'll tell it to you and I wish Common could tell it to you himself. Fuck any man who sits on his computer and decides with his high and mighty to judge the worth of another man, the things he believes in, stands for and what his worth is. Fuck you for deciding that you know another man's convictions and you are worthy to talk about who he is. Cause I didn't hear see shit about music on that post. I saw about two lines that talked about mighty. All I say was a bunch of ignorant motherfuckers who think they've lived their lives so righteous that the good lord himself came down and bestowed his shining light on them and told them to go forth and be the arbiters of what's real and what's not. And I don't see any reality there at all. Uptight prick? Gaddem right, I'm uptight. I've never seen a board so fucking toxic in my life. Look back on what you write and what you say man, and be ashamed. That board shows you to be less than a man, less than a boy, less than a baby content to wallow in his own filth. Fuck you and fuck you again.

J. smooth, I posted a comment on here which I can't see any more. Did you delete it and if you did, may I ask why?

Oops, there it is. Sorry about that.

You're good at telling people what their opinions on certain subjects should be. Nice point about being "mighty" and suggesting the ignorant.

I meant ignorance, whoops!

i gotta say, i thought sage's comments were delivered with the correct amount of acerbic wit. and his point is not lost, though obviously unpopular.

I dont know who this dude Sage Frances is but his comments about Commons album BE is ridiculous and wack. SAge whoever you are dawg you're obviously not a fan of real Hip Hop and a Cpmmon hater. Your comments sound so personal and have nothing to do with how good or bad you feel the album is. BE is classic, the best album Common's done since Ressurection or One Day It'll All Make Sense. Either I personally thing you're corn for just smashin my man without any journalistic integrity. Sage your comments sound like your a jealous rapper who never made it

Excuse the typo's I was doing a few things and moving pretty fast while typing. I noticed the errors after I was about to leave the site. So Sage dont even try to reply making a comment on the typo's because I can feel that you're one of those "and he cant spell" that type of cat.

Listen, I only did the coke commercial because there was this new multicolored suede jacket i wanted.

i found the best part of that post was when someone mentioned sage's espn commercial and he doesn't even agknowledge it. i get a kick out of people who make "bad music" regularly hating on someone for making "bad music". i guess thats what the internet is for though.

You guys should check Sage's biography at his site sagefrancis.net!! HAHAHA... Good god, what a beyotch! This bastard fvck got someone to call him the father of this bs called emo-hip-hop for some wack shit he released on 2002 under anticon! I'm pretty sure Eminem was doing personal rhymes way before sage. That shit WAY too exaggerated.

sage francis is wacker than wack.

woah, woah.

i mean, i can hear criticism of sage's comments. he's apologized for them on the board so i think he can hear it too.

but what is so fucking toxic about the n-p board? versus MOST hiphop forums where people never really connect beyond their netcee fronts? the non-prophets board is, in my view, a grand experiment in a different type of internet community, one that is closed. the closed nature of the community means that people have to have their whole selves invested in it. they can't front on anonymity and get respect. those who are held in esteem are held in esteem because they bring their whole selves. sage exerts little to no control over content.

personally, i've done some of my best writing on that board. writing about being IN the struggle as a white male who has a LOT of struggling to do within myself. that's my share of the work, that's what x and king said it was, that's what dead prez and krs say it is, that's what i'm doing, and on that board there is a place for that, and people are working and changing in a positive way.

i read this site all the time. i gotta be accountable to y'all. this place is me too. i love this blog, but y'all need to put things into their context a little bit better when you try to cross from one community into another. i don't think the non-prophets board is UN-toxic -- it's still full of everything that society makes ALL of our communities full of -- racism, sexism, classism to name a few. but the character of the forum is CHANGING as a result of its unique format, and communities like the non-prophets board are going to have a lot to offer hiphop on the internet in the future. let's not miss the bridges we can build.

that said, thanks for holding people accountable.

sage,

do us punks at heart a favor and stick to RAP. your a disgrace to epitaph,your lame attempt at gaining the punk crowd is ridiculous.it looks like maybe your trying to force your steese buddy

...........

hell you wont ever get respect from a punk crowd

yeah dude, seriously, like you totally can't do punk like your last album was totally like trying to be punk but it totally wasn't. like you won't get respect from me and i'm like a punk and that other dude is a punk and he doesn't respect you. so are you trying to get respect from us because you won't and i'd like to speak for the whole punk genre when i say that no punks will ever respect you because i can generalize things as easy as that.

PS ANARCHY FOR LIFE. BRING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT BY DOING DRUGS, DRINKING ALCOHOL AND SUPPORTING INDUSTRIAL COMPANIES THAT I HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT!

I haven't heard Common's new album yet..
But I have to say that Sage's latest album was pretty dope, when it comes to rhymes and flow, he kills it!!!
Maybe he's not mainstream enough for you mainstream "street" niggaz.. hehe
Before you write your opinion about Sages music and his career in this forum, listen to his music first....

Now I have to say..
Fuck Jay-z, fuck Common, fuck kanye, fuck G-UNIT, fuck The Game, fuck Nelly, Fuck all those fucks ;)

Real music is Wu-Tang baby, WU TANG!
Forever, and ever!

sigh.

Sage Francis' comments are very interesting and subjective. Common to me represents a great example of how the evolution of a man can influence his art and lifestyle. Some say that

Common has changed, well yes he has. In fact we all should be changing in someway or another. Growth should be a part of our lives that will exhibit it's self by choice or force (natural evolution). I agree with Wes Jackson's comment, I find it very interesting how much we want to talk about Bro. Common. In this business any publicity is good publicity. Oh well looks like another Platinum joint from Chi-Town's unsung hero.

In hip-hop we get so stuck on an individuals image that we sometime forget that the artist in the culture are people and people change over a period of time. Whether you dig what you visually see or what an artist sells (soda)it doesn't matter. This is a business, accept or not. Common do your thing, matter fact I got some tracks for the next joint when you need em'.

Peace
Sean-Toure'
Baltimore emcee/producer Star Seed Music

Fuck Jay-z, fuck Common, fuck kanye, fuck G-UNIT, fuck The Game, fuck Nelly, Fuck all those fucks

Word. It doesnt matter if you dont like sage, but you gotta appreciate: those rappers are pathetic wannabe's. Theyre actors pretending to be something they arnt, something thats not good to be.

Screw you laaah Jay, Common and Kanye are dope brovas screw you, wanna argue about it?

Sage Frances is a fuckin lame for that shit!

Common's New Album BE is sick as fuck!!!

Cop that shit 5/24/05 its hot

All Yall talkin shit on Common Can Eat a Dick For Real! Common Sense been tight since he hit the market wit CAN I BORROW A DOLLAR? only shit you can really question from common is the ELECTRIC CIRCUS album and thats just because the NEPTUNES and their beats are weak as hell! Kanye is most definitely at his best wit the beats he did for Common's new shit. No doubt its the sickest beats you've heard by Kanye. He really took his time in them. And Common lyrically kills that shit by takin back his old school revolutionary style.

Fuck Common, and Kanya. Nobody holds a candle to flows of the Rhymesayer staff. All that mainstream hip hop is garbage.

Sage's "Personal Journals" could be the greatest album ever made...But I'm just a suburban whiteboy.... what do I know about hip hop anyway?

YO Common be takin shits in niggaz faces wit his rhymes sun. Mic ripper soul splitta type shit, Ill let that nigga shit on my face anyday.

I'll bet the limpdicks on here who diss MC's like Jay-Z don't even take the time to listen to their records before commenting on them.

You are all idiots for hating Sage because he is white and didn't grow up in a ghetto. To call any music "white" or "black" is ridiculous. Why can't you like Sage and Common why do you have to pick sides?

haha...

y'all are so wack. I ain't read one decent response here, mostly because most of y'all fake hip-hop heads have bought into the "mainstream" corporate rap myth that the first and only prerequisuite of a hip-hop artist is that he/she must be from the street to fulfill the role of "bein real."

But what's realer?

An artist who speaks of revolution, or an artist who lives by it? Common consistently evokes revolutionary elements - revlutionary figures, events, etc. - but at the very same time, works directly with one of the most oppressive multinational corporations in the world. But of course, why the fuck should we care about that? It don't affect us, so it's not even an issue. But what the fuck? Coca-cola has a long record of abuses, particularly on its workers.

Tens of thousands of poor have suffered, sometimes death, at the hands of this company. Is that real? Should Common's Southside origin somehow justify his choice to work with a corporation that LITERALLY ENSLAVES others?

Don't hate on Sage; he's a college kid from Rhode Island (btw, Common went to college) who sees hip-hop for what it should be: a tool that allows us to identify the oppressive actions of those in power.

So tell me, muh'fuckas:

if hip-hop is for the poor and the marginilized, shouldn't it act like it?

Common wishes he as free as Che was...

he would do well to read the works of Che (a rich kid from a rich family), who sought to uproot the unjust institutions that wreaked havoc on the poor.

Sage is the moral conscience of rap; call him a nerdy ass backpacker, but most of the revolutionary figures that Comm evokes were, yes, from very wealthy backgrounds.

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The new beef isn't West coast/East coast, it's intellectual hip-hop vs. mainstream rap. It doesn't really make a difference though, it's all music whether it be Aesop to Kanye or Sage to Jay-Z. Dissing is the cheapest way to feed off someones popularity, but let it be lame for the person that does it and let it be more amusing when it is ignored.

Three phrases should be among the most common in our daily usage. They are: Thank you, I am grateful and I appreciate.

Sage Francis is clever and funny. Kanye would need a team of writers to assemble a worthy comeback. On top of that, Common sucks at freestyling. I wouldn't hate them if they weren't on my radio and TV sets, jerking off in mirrors and talking in circles constantly. I'd probably hate Sage if I had to see him as often. Not like I care, I don't see a point in defending rich people, just those who can be facetious and know it, without looking into a dictionary.

Ya'll keep eating the shit they feed you.keep thinking that Jay or 50 or most of these hollywood ass rappers are doing anything to enhance the art, to progress, yall are stuck in the fuckin stone age with your band wagon shit open up your ears and find that 95% percent of rap artist cant hold a candle to sage based on technical skill or lyrical content who cares if he's fucking white that shit is irelevant he's not rapping about being discriminated against but is empathetic to struggles other than his own. Keep wanting your artists to suffer in order to be valid that is bullshit

SAGE FRANCIS IS THE FUKCING MAN, All that money going to Jay-z, Common, 50 gay ass Cent, and bullshitters ruining the definition of music needs to be re-routed on the correct path!!
I'm talking Sage, Atmosphere, MFDoom, Hieroglyphics, Jurassic five, etc.....
Dilated Peoples
REal music peoples

Yeah, what BEN SAID IN THE REVIEW BEFORE ME
MUCHO RESpect BEN,

KEEP IT Quality

Yeah, what BEN SAID IN THE REVIEW BEFORE ME
MUCHO RESpect BEN,

KEEP IT Quality

SAGE,

Can you believe all these morons like myself are arguing over your unbelievable talents/thoughts. KEep the albums coming,
PPPPPPLLLLLEEEEEAAAAASSSEEEEEEEEE

ps: i came across this bullshit while looking for a sage francis ringtone for my phone, (pretty dumb right) HOlla

"You all talk shit like you are a part of it." - Decim8 (dont byte sun; thanks)

Any person believing that a fool who would be basic or simple as to dub himself "Common" could contest with skills the likes of Sage Francis (or Anticon) is completely conceptually mentally feeble; can we say blind fools much? Go sniff another; anal consumers...

Dictonary Definition: Common;
1) occurring, found, or done often. Ordinary; of ordinary qualities; without special rank or position
2) showing a lack of taste and refinement; vulgar.
3) shared by, coming from, or done by more than one.
4) of relatively minor importance

LOL

Common sense dictates that little is known of what you write, and even less of intelligent conscience life. It's quite pathetic how morons write as if you had common cents to rub together, yet you poor fools write with all of half the insight of broke ass bums on welfare night. It's called english, yet you make me doubt; for that makeshift communication utilized by most of you is known more common as a mouth of trout.
It's quite sad how many of you simpletons utilize buff or filler such as profanity (if being derogatory wasn't already enough) to attempt to emphasize passion in the negative form of hate.

Don't hate because of race, that's just stupid ignorance.

"Don't hate 'cause you can't relate, that's just how it be when you fuckin' with heavy weights" - Pep Love

*Note: I am not dissing common in any way other than for his pathetically poor, unresearched choice of aka; hey, that's fucken gay.

NOW; I've made my point and stated this case completely concise. You're welcome; preemptive reply for thanks.

Listen children; Stay nice before some fool puts you on ice.

PS: Mainstream sell out 'bubble gum' pop/rap defaces true hiphop culture, and that is insultingly whack. You've been straight told thanks.

"Your mental state; couldn't relate to that which I must Decim8!"

Pce

Sums up why US hiphop has digressed into the shameless, talentless wackest state its in when I read foolish self righteous comments of the self absorbed, think their it, bullshit kids.

The expression of one's thought through rhyme, who has something worthwhile to listen to in all this????

Sage francis creates moments of reflection typical of the art in its days before the AMERICAN commercial market titrated and diluted it into a financial profit like everything else.

Pathetic board, you are all so quick to be vocal about worthless shit, ya'll all so tough and clever, but shit when it comes to voting out an egotistical maniac destined to destroy humanity, ya'll cower, cannot find your balls or vocabulary and suck on JZ's dick to inhale the blindfolded bling of you countries ignorance.

ITS FUCKING MUSIC, use your brains for something constructive and worthwhile in your excuse of a life.

Decim8, are you not aware that his name was Common Sense, but he was forced to shorten it due to legan issues?

and what the fuck does a name have to do with anything

com is dope
sage is dope

shut the fuck up.

You may consider Sage's comments on Common "ascerbic wit," but the comments were just simply distasteful. It crossed the line from a clever jibe to utter hostility. Yes, I could feel the hatred. Sage, you cannot even play that off by calling the rest of us "uptight." You are a hater to the utmost.

Another post stated that Common was mainstream. Common, better known as "Common Sense" was underground for years. Why is there so much hatred for those who finally make it into the big time? Don't most people who want to pursue art as a lifestyle seek some sort of notoriety? If you say "no", you are lying to yourselves. And let's face it, when it comes to art, if you do not seek notoriety, even to a lesser degree, you will not be able to eat. Common's rhymes are a million miles away from the tit, ass, and rims rhymes that we have to endure in today's hip-hop culture.

Oh, and to those white, suburban hip-hop fans who wrote in feeling as though the others were dismissing Sage simply because he is white, you just don't get it. It is not about color, it is about culture. Hip-hop is a culture based upon the existence of black people. So, when a white person taunts a black artist of merit, we take it personally because hip-hop, like it or not, is not based upon nor was it born of white culture. This doesn't mean that blacks cannot embrace white hip-hop artists (i.e. Eminem)---there is enough room for everybody. But, we do mind whites judging something that they cannot fully understand. Hip-hop has always served as a forum for events that occur in our communities. Do not view it as just "music." Even the wackest of hip-hop artists impart something that is occuring (positive or negative)in black culture. Like it or not. Look, I am not Irish. But, let's just say I had a profound interest in Irish culture. So much interest that I decided that I had the right to comment perpetually on an issue (such as the IRAs quest for a unified Ireland) native to that country's culture, yet at no point have I truly immersed myself in that culture. If my comments regarding the IRAs mission were scathingly negative, you better believe some Irish guy out there would be ready to curse me out and tell me that I need to keep my mouth shut because I am not Irish. Try to view it that way.

Hip-hop is so sacred to our culture. Some people see it as a fad, but it has been going strong for more that 25 years. It lives and breathes. So be careful when you speak ill of our best and brightest, whether you guys dig him or not.

Sage has apparently apologized. But, let me ask, if you Sage, were offered a contract with Kanye tomorrow, would you turn it down for the sake of your art? Or take it, for the SAKE of your art?

To the person (UK) that must emphasize "American" hip-hop: Where do you think hip-hop originated? Britain? Get a grip.

To the rappers who think all hip-hop must be elusively allegorical, metaphorical, etc...
Hip-hop is a mode by which to reach the consciousness of the masses. Excessive pontification and verbosity does not equate to talent nor does it educate or inform. Yes, there is alot of popcorn hip-hop. There is a lot of popcorn pop, rock, smooth jazz, heavy metal, etc... Don't expect perfection from any artform.

Lastly, you cannot throw Common, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, etc. in the same category as 50 Cent. I think you know this. Due to the negativity that I have witnessed in this forum, perhaps there needs to be a distinction between Hip-Hop---a black, cultural artform---and the form of rap(beatnik-esque) that is created by caucasians. Maybe this will resolve all the judgement and hatred. Seems like that is what you guys want. No one will then feel the need to bash one another's cultural experience due to cultural insensitivity/ethnocentrism. This is what you guys seem to want. I have not seen one positive post about any great black, hip-hop artists. Just disses from white artists about black artists. The only reason anyone is dissing Sage is because of his hateful comments---not because of his color. I would like to commend my people for not stooping so low in this forum.

Don't forget where and from whom this artform originated. Pay respect.

All I have to say is, that due to artists like Kanye, 50, Eminem, Nelly, Jay-Z and the countless clones hailing from Atlanta all of a sudden, I'm now ashamed of listening to Hiphop.

The public opinion and conception of Hiphop is twisted, and it's thanks to these artists. No one can deny that fact.

I'm a fan of Sage, but I think it's uncalled for to critisize Common. He's far from the worst poser out there, if he even is one. I don't know, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HIM PERSONALLY.

I know I'm a little late on this but all I have to say is if you do not like Sage or agree with his opinions then don't f**king pay attention to him! It's pretty simple. That being said, I think sage is a very talented, intelligent, spiritual man. Too bad you people are none of these things.

For the record, I didn't post that email with the fuck you's. That was someone who came after me and didn't list their name in with the quotes.
just a little FYI

Sean-Toure'

You guys are the 51438 best, thanks so much for the help.