August 3, 2005

The Fake Black Rock Manifesto




Handed down by Big Reg of Okayplayer, where it has struck quite a chord. I was unaware of this trend as I avoid all places where hipsters congregate, but apparently it is epidemic? What sayest thou, is his gripe legit or is he just hating?

Friends don't let friends 'Black Rock'

We all have that friend.

First, they started growing out their hair, invested buying a sh*tty casio keyboard and recorded fake demos with the worst neo soul had to offer. They quit after acute incense poisoning.

Perhaps they went through their mcing phase, where their fifteen year old cousin made them fisher price beats that they claimed they couldn’t find a market because they were too real, but couldn’t find a beat if it was broadcasted in Braille.

Maybe they changed their name to Orange Moon Flower Asata Mandingo X, started writing poetry LIKE….this to be HEARD…on the localpoetryslam CAFÉ, to LET out all the POEMS theyhadabouthow GOOD their VAGINA or PENIS tastes…..*twenty second pause for inflection*

Anyway, when you go visit your want to be artist friend and there’s an Afropunk sticker on his door.. You see a Fishbone cd where you didn’t see one before. And they have a brand new Fender Stratocaster in the corner of the room.

Please, break that sh*t. Snip the strings,, scratch up the pickups, piss on their amp.

I remember back when there was a heavy stigma involved in being black and liking rock music. It still exists today, but it seems that for many it’s a badge of coolness. Considering the current crap I ve been forced to listen to, I wonder if kids getting clowned for having a Nirvana tape was a bad thing.

Today, after stumbling on the last straw of this current black rock bandwagon on myspace by one of our very own OKP, I ask you to stop the madness.

It’s a horrible assault to mankinds ears. It doesn’t rock in a Metallica way, it doesn’t rock in a Nirvana way, it doesn’t rock in a Matchbox 20 way, hell, it doesn’t hold a candle to Kelly Clarkson.

Who could I blame? Saul? Pharell? Ive got no clue.

Stop rap-rocking. Stop playing horrible ska. Stop with the two chord attack, the horrible drum programming (you should really be ashamed of this one considering your hip-hop backgrounds) the god awful pseudo angry hooks. Stop prancing around in a f**ked up hairfro cut thinking your PJ Harvey. Stop not claiming hip-hop because you think it gives you cred. You f**king suck.

Afkap has raged long and hard about how current rock music can hardly be called black music. And while I disagreed at the time, you f**ks aren’t helping the argument. At least buy a rock cd before attempting to tackle the genre. The funny thing is, to make halfway decent rock music you don’t necessarily need ‘chops’. Name all the good modern rock singers. Exactly. Name the last interesting riff you heard? EXACTLY. But it does take an understanding of what makes good rock music, and what doesn’t. None of us can explain what hip-hop is, but we all damn well know when we hear it. Doesn’t take a genius.

Which apparently most of you Johnny Come Lately’s don’t have.

Luckily, most of you suck enough that you won’t make too much of a buzz above ground. But, for the sake of the Fishbones, the Living Colors, the 24-7 Spyz, goddamned Bad Brains who struggled for years to apparently have the path they laid out for be filled in by no frills artists trying the current cool genre, have mercy. For fans of all music, please stop being artists period. Go back to your corporate jobs, your college classes, smoke a bowl and watch Wonder Showzen and realize while your ambition is big, your talent is nil.

The madness must stop.

Posted by jsmooth995 at August 3, 2005 9:02 AM | TrackBack
Comments

I was indeed one of those kids that got "clowned on" since I started listening to rock music back in the '80s when I was in 6th or 7th grade or whatever. As a matter of fact, I started visiting this site because I wanted to hear a knowledgable take on the music that I had, well not rejected but ignored most of my adult life.

I think the premise of the above essay is flawed. First, what's more rock n roll than getting out there and sweating and making noise. This isn't orchestra, this isn't marching band - it's eff'n rock.

In clubs all over this city and on MySpace, are crappy Shins, Joy Division, and Strokes retread bands that suck and are made up entirely of White people. Why can't we play too? After all, we did pretty much invent rock music. On top of that, the experimentation may bring about a few hits among all the misses, which is kind of what rock is.

Posted by: janine at August 3, 2005 10:45 AM

take all the "rock" tracks off the new mos def, burn them to a cd, put that sucker on repeat, and see how long you last.

Posted by: squidhead at August 3, 2005 10:58 AM

"I said, Elvis Presley ain't got no soul (huh)
Chuck Berry is rock and roll (damn right)
You may dig on the Rolling Stones
But they ain't come up with that style on they own (uh-uh)
Elvis Presley ain't got no SOULLLL (hell naw)
Little Richard is rock and roll (damn right)
You may dig on the Rolling Stones
But they ain't come up with that shit on they own (nah-ah)" - Mos Def Rock n Roll

Why not?!? It's all F*ckin Hip Hop why try to classify it?!? Hip Hop wouldn't exist if it were not for all genres of music. Hip Hop is the melting pot of music. i.e. sample, breaks etc...

Nuff said!!

Posted by: PezHead at August 3, 2005 11:56 AM

No thank you, squidhead. I'm just saying that people should play their guitars and basses and drums more, not less.-

Posted by: janine at August 3, 2005 12:04 PM

just plain old racism. black kids don't have a monopoly on bad rock music. why single them out?... cuz you are black too? smells like self-hate to me. either that or this guy thinks he is some sort of HRIC.

also, the term black rock is redundant.

Posted by: i'm the skwidawd at August 3, 2005 12:13 PM

I've got a tall can that says "black rock" isn't redundant just yet.

Posted by: George at August 3, 2005 3:09 PM

As a person who used to play bass in a live hip-hop band back in 1994 (before I'd heard of The Roots), my take on this article is that it's a humor piece... not to be taken seriously.

I would like to think the article only targets bands like Crazy Town and Limp Bizkit, and not bands like The Roots or Bad Brains or Fishbone or Jimi Hendrix or Black Jack Johnson. But then again, what do I know?

Here's what I know: 1994, a pay-to-play gig at The Whiskey(!), our first gig, last on a bill of grunge wannabes. The Whiskey is and always will be a rock venue, so we stood out like sore thumbs. All the other bands looked and sounded like Nirvana or Pearl Jam. We went on and played a horrible set, but the crowd was vibing (as they should have been-- they were all our friends!) and afterwards a long-haired flannel-wearing guitarist from another band came up to me and said "I'm giving up on rock music-- rap is the way to go!"

Our band broke up two years later, and by that time evey guy in a band that I knew was picking up turntables and selling their guitars. Portishead was big. The Roots were massive. Kurt Cobain blew his head off.

Trends come and they go. Most trend-followers suck, but the ones who blaze their own trail make a difference, even if they never get signed or get a deal.

Posted by: james at August 3, 2005 5:13 PM

btw: I bought the CD version of "One Nation Under A Groove" yesterday, by coincidence. I bought it because my cassette version finally died. (Yes, I still listen to tapes)

Eight words say it all: "Who Says A Funk Band Can't Play Rock"?

Posted by: james at August 3, 2005 5:14 PM

as a black person that plays music in a genre that can't be classified as "urban" (i've heard indie-pop and "hipster-folk" said about my songs), i had to drop by and provide a rebuttal for this arguement. not all "black rock" (yes, i think the term is ridiculous, too) is bad. for instance, tv on the radio, bloc party, and the dears (the first being 4/5 black, the latter two only having a black frontman- who is the key songwriter in each group) are three of the best indie-rock bands out right now. and there are tens of thousands of them.

and, on myspace, like jainie said, there are a bunch of crappy bands with all-white members, so don't attack the black ones just because you are black. if anything, you're contributing to the rampant black-on-black racism that i experience every day just because i play guitar-pop music.

to be honest, i don't think "black rock" is a trend. i think it's a collective of people who are absolutely sick and tired of letting society dictate what's "black enough".

don't tell me i'm not black enough because of what i play. me in particular? i've written songs about police brutality against blacks in the 1950's. that, in my opinion, is the opposite of "not black enough".

we invented the genre, so let us have it.

Posted by: douglasmartin at August 3, 2005 5:50 PM

word. i was just listening to One Nation in my car. i'm still rolling with tapes myself, on account of a busted CD player.

Posted by: i'm the skwidawd at August 3, 2005 5:58 PM

Irony note .... Complaning about Black groups that play rock ... On OKP which features The Legendary Roots Crew!

That is funny in a sad misfit sort of way.

Posted by: Belve at August 3, 2005 7:03 PM

Well, this is just one ov the most punkish, dickish, ignorant things i've ever read. I'm still not completely sure whether this "artical" is real, or just a stupid hoax meant for shock. But seeing as i've had many an acounter with narrow-minded, self-hating black rednecks before, it might be real. So you don't like "blackrock" as i may quote you? So like, just what that fuck do you intend to do about it? PS -- i'm pretty sure these comments get "screened" as to keep this forum free & clean ov "nasty opposing views". That's fine. I would expect such a thing, nazis.

Posted by: Damos Abadon at August 3, 2005 8:30 PM

The people is free in this world. Let them play what they want. As long there will be no damages.

Posted by: hip hop beats at August 3, 2005 9:55 PM

i've been outside of rock for awhile now - i was deeply involved before in underground punk scenes but not so much anymore. not been paying attention to what's happening out there, though what i do notice is that genres are crossing boundaries and i personally think this is a good thing. fuck all those walls/boxes. music grows partly by expanding so i don't believe in this 'purity' business (what does that mean anyway?). if you get the itch to rock out, go for it. if you get the itch to add some guitar licks to a hip hop track, go for it. if you get the itch to add some breakbeats to a rock track, go for it. sure, there are shitty musicians out there but there are also really good ones.. and 'good' is subjective. just cuz the author doesn't like it doesn't automatically make it 'bad'. i used to love stuff that my sister would just hear as noise and nothing more. actually, the other day, i was listening to some soundclips of a friend's band that i really liked but my ex thought it was horrible (he has no taste anyway! :)).

plus, definitely nothing wrong with blacks doing rock seeing as it wouldn't exist as it does today if it weren't for black musicians in the beginning.

Posted by: helen at August 3, 2005 10:47 PM

that said, i do think mos def's rock music sucks. :)

Posted by: helen at August 3, 2005 10:48 PM

...and the thing about 'afropunk' (i checked the link and saw people griping about it 'worsening' the 'problem') is that this author boviously has no clue about people of colour in punk rock/hardcore. there were lots of us (still lots of them now - i say 'them' cuz i moved on) and it was difficult being a POC in a predominantly white scene.. but still, we existed.. and it was always this really amazing thing to find others like us. damn, i even did a zine about that years ago. haven't seen 'afropunk' yet though i do keep meaning to, but i think movies like that are great for documenting what people think are invisible (black people in punk). there's another one (i forget the name but it looked a lot at this chicano hardcore band called los crudos).. there are few, but instead of hating on them, maybe the author should sit back and let those who are involved do the talking, rather than spout off about something he was never involved with.

Posted by: helen again at August 3, 2005 10:55 PM

"Trends come and they go. Most trend-followers suck, but the ones who blaze their own trail make a difference, even if they never get signed or get a deal."
AMEN!

Eight words say it all: "Who Says A Funk Band Can't Play Rock"?
AMEN and AMEN! That joint's in heavy rotation on my cd player! (and "Lunchmeataphobia")
:)

"my take on this article is that it's a humor piece... not to be taken seriously."
Probably... still, I'd like to know if Big Rag would have the nerve to say his piece face-to-face to KRS One, who, under fire for using a sample of AC/DC's "Back in Black" simply sniffed, "We're just stealing back what they stole from us."
Or something like that.

Posted by: kami at August 4, 2005 11:34 AM

This essay is funny as hell as has some truth as well as plain fluff in it. First off I really can't stand some of the acts that have come out of Neo Soul era. It seems that a lot of the music in black underground whether it be rock,HipHop, neo soul or House Music seems to be a direct result (revolt) against the commercial black music that plagued the radiowaves for the past 8 In return this underground revolt has done nothing to help the music. As a matter of fact some of the Underground acts have become just as bland as the Commercial acts that they loathe. Which leads us to the very heart of this letter. I do feel him on the tedious shit that all sounds the same in the black rock genre (Insert artist name here), however this is too broad of a statement. The Black Rock Movement is culture that needs to be respected and cultivated so just bullshit that just sounds different isn't pass over as good music and somehow called artistic. I also really don't care for black hippies to much. There like a pseudo neo product from the Afro-centric era of Hip Hop. As man of the Yoruba Faith of Ife some of the things & metaphysical practices they do and say are simply incorrect. Just for the record we are not aliens from outer space eating Tofu and eating tree bark dipped in honey. I for one am a part of the b-boy, garage house music scene so I do understand and except the diverse forms of music. I do not care if it is Jay-Z or JLive, or Common or Missy Elliot GOOD MUSIC IS GOOD MUSIC. Not just some clone copying another clone and saying there shit is hot.

Plus jsmooth995 wrote this to purposefully make some of you made & you fell for it (LOL)

Posted by: Olutunu at August 4, 2005 11:48 AM

I guess I'm pointing to what I see as a cultural difference. (I'm going to make people mad with broad generalizations) People approach hip hop in an entirely different way.

Skills and have a more central role than what you see in rock. I'm not saying people don't care about skill in rock, but I'll mention Mick Jagger and Iggy Pop. Two of the greatest singers in rock can't carry a tune all that well. The Ramones weren't a highly technically skilled band.

Somewhere in the whole head-space of rock (for me, at least), there's the image of some kids in a garage or basement or somewhere playing. The good ones might go on to make music for the rest of their lives but even the crap bands are playing their part. It's highly participatory, where rap is something we leave to experts and professionals. Think of it more like basketball, there are many level of entry and they're all part of the culture.

This is of course all relative. Few would stand around saying, "That's woderful!" while a sh**ty rock act played. I guess I'm saying that a rock fan might have more patience, knowing when you leave the house that you may be turned on to an amazing band, but you're more likely going to hear something sub-par. I'm talking unknown acts and showcases 'n such.

Posted by: janine at August 4, 2005 12:48 PM

further, I'm sure that the members of "the Fishbones, the Living Colors, the 24-7 Spyz, goddamned Bad Brains" of the world were in at least a million terrible bands before they were in those bands.

Posted by: janine at August 4, 2005 1:39 PM

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Posted by: IllasIam at August 4, 2005 2:34 PM

some kid dosen't know their history , that's sad

Posted by: ron gray at August 4, 2005 6:14 PM

Dude is dumb. "Yaw aint got no bizness playin massa music, yaw gone get in trubba" The most influential guitarist in every genre of rock is black, still to this day, and Hendrix has been dead 30 years or so. He can't be serious, he's has to be playing the devils advocate, because every rock band has very strong influences from black music. Rock is basically blues in distortion. In my opinion, most dumb ass half witted rap bullshit should be put in a little yellow and black book, and called "music for dummies!"

Posted by: sic as me at August 4, 2005 6:16 PM

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Posted by: Blaxil at August 4, 2005 7:37 PM

um. he's not a racist

the roots play live instruments-that doesn't make it rock and they may have had their 'dabblings' but they are hardly headlining ozzfest, so for the person claiming 'irony', i suggest you look up the word in the dictionary.

anyone who at least lives in the tri-state area can understand the spate of brown folks who all of a sudden are rocking dirty vans and tossing their hip hop cds and joining a bandwagon that ISN'T A BANDWAGON BUT A GENUINE LOVE AND WAY OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO FRONT ABOUT IT AND CARE ENOUGH ABOUT THE SHIT TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND IT THOROUGHLY APART FROM JUST KNOWING BAD BRAINS AND LIVING COLOUR AND WATCHING AFROPUNK THREE TIMES

maybe its not my place to say because i know him personally, but you guys are way off mark and its surprising to me given everyone has an opinion on music and calling out folks 'credibility' and all of a sudden he makes note of it regarding black folks and rock music-which apparently is a sore spot for some of you when you probably thought it was 'white music' growing up and now you want to act like white folks co-opting it is the second worst crime against our people next to slavery-and actually asking folks to be genuine and calling out those who do front (because yes virginia, there are posers) and folks are coming out calling him all kinds of racists. how ridiculous do all of you look?

u mad doggies.

Posted by: t at August 5, 2005 9:01 AM

furthermore, the immediate supposition that he's on the outside looking in and 'just a hip hop fan' makes this even funnier. had this been written by one of you so quick to offer up your credentials as if that makes your opinion more correct or valid, there would probably be a lot less disagreement.

Posted by: t at August 5, 2005 9:16 AM

this is why black people can never have any unity
where to busy judging each other and hatin.
we are so scare that others in our race won't think we're black
enough so in order for us to not lose "OUR GHETTO PASSES" we "TRULY"
just fake the funk...I'm like this, stay true to you and what you
do regardless of what anyone says, that goes for "your people" as
well!!!!

100

Posted by: GhettoVixen at August 5, 2005 10:10 AM

Just to provide a little context. BigReg is black, and he's a hard rock/metal head, from what I can tell. And he lives in NYC, where evidently "afropunk" is blowing up. I live in NYC too, and honestly I wouldn't know, I don't really go to local rock shows right now. But the point he's making isn't that black people shouldn't play rock, just that this current claiming of rock by so many black hipsters is a calculated pose, and as a rock fan, and a music fan, and a black person, that pisses him off. No more, no less. Apologies for speaking for someone else, but it seemed like a lotta people in here are missing the larger point. It sucks when a genre you love gets co-opted by people who think it'll make them cool to be affiliated with it, instead of people who actually love the form and are steeped in the history and whatnot. And also, he's saying rock's not even in very good shape right now, so the fact that these people manage to suck is especially egregious and galling. Allright, that's enough 5 cent words.

Posted by: gabe at August 5, 2005 8:49 PM

good point, gabe. only thing though is that it's not just black hipsters out there but all sorts of hipsters. i see more annoying white hipsters getting into rock for the 'cool' factor than blacks, so it's kinda off to single them out as this big problem in rock.

Posted by: helen at August 6, 2005 4:00 AM

Thanks for the clarification, gabe. It changes the point of origin from where I was trying to communicate, thinking that it was someone from a different scene. But it doesn't change the central fact that musical innovation is not fostered by being held captive/in trust by orthodox hard liners. Let everybody play. The weak bands won't make further than MySpace.

Posted by: janine at August 8, 2005 11:23 AM

I am a black ROCK musician and have been for the better part of the last 13-14 years. I sing as well as play guitar and have done everything from hardcore punk, to straight blues rock, metal, etc... I TOTALLY get the point of this piece and its one that I kind of subscribe to myself... if you were'nt originally a rocker back in the day and you're floating on the trend NOW... leave it alone. Its that simple. I went to see Mos Def's band a few years back and was appalled to see such a great assemblage of talent being put to such use so that Mos could kind of prove a point. Yes... rock had its origins in what was considered black music... but it has evolved far far FAR beyond that now, lol... and I have seen many of the band wagon jumping posers all over the place and its insulting as people like myself had to endure a lot of BS in the early 90's when the faces you'd see at the rock clubs were'nt as mixed. I dunno, I guess people are entitled, but it really IS silly to see these people who don't have a full grasp of what hard rock or metal or ROCK is trying to be down. I liken it to white guys in the burbs thinking they're gangsters cause they listen to certain types of hip hop...

Posted by: Essence_Smith at August 8, 2005 2:49 PM

Oh yes and I'd like to add...no one is saying we should'nt participate in rock music or genres other than hip hop... but if you're going to play rock... DO IT RIGHT, lol. I don't like what Mos Def tried to do... I don't like what Jada Pinkett Smith is doing... and I'm not gonna judge or support OR dis a rock band because their black... it just so happens the ones currently coming down the pike are garbage... Fishbone, 24-7 Spyz, etc are AMAZING... the groups I mentioned earlier are not authentic imo...

And there are a whole HEAP of band wagon jumpers who would NOT be playing rock if hip hop was still where it needs to be...

Posted by: Essence_Smith at August 8, 2005 2:56 PM

So let me get this straight, since no one handed out merit badges or built floats or had a big parade celebrating black people who listen to rock music back in the '80s, the correct response now would be to say, "You can't come into our club-house without knowing the password!" The password will be determined by super important music-based credentials, like how many people in bands you know and how othodox you can be.

What about those of us who could never be in bands or part of scenes because we hate scenes? I started playing guitars 16 years ago (so there!) when I saw how my grandpa could sit around with his Fender Strat and not have to talk to anybody. I don't play for cred or to be congratulated for something. I'm here for the music; f*ck the scene.

Posted by: janine at August 9, 2005 12:12 PM

You're right janine, its not about a scene, lol. But the fact remains that somehow there is one now and I wonder where these brave souls who now are a presence in rock clubs all over NYC were 14 years ago when I was playing CBGB's and mostly white people were the ones coming up and giving props. The fact remains that its very trendy now to be black and participate in those circles and while you definitely don't need a password to get into the club, the reasons WHY you're in the club now do matter to some of us who wanted the support back then. I have no problem with black folks wanting to hear something new, or who feel more comfortable admitting now that they enjoy rock music. I do have a problem with people who are wanting to be down cause its the new thing or more acceptable now and who think real rock is Korn, Limp Bizkit, etc. I also have a problem with people like Pharrell and Mos Def doing things with loud guitars and thinking they can call that authentic rock music and all because one day someone decided it was "cool" to admit you like rock now, lol. That's all it really is... when I play out I don't care what color the crowd is, but I want the crowd to be there not cause they think its trendy, but because they have a true appreciation for the music in its most AUTHENTIC form. That's what the point of the piece was to me and I could relate to it on some level... it about the trend of "black rock" and its LACK OF AUTHENTICITY... its about the fact that these kids have latched onto something they think is real rock and want to fly the banner. Next week when its some other genre they will move on...

Posted by: Essence_Smith at August 9, 2005 12:51 PM

Black, white, whatever....what bothers me is dissing people who put up shitty music on myspace. I'm one of those folks with the crappy hip hop beats, and lame rock songs and I love it. I sit in my apartment bored and instead of just consuming art created by professionals I make up my own little songs for the amusement of myself and my friends (ok, mostly myself). I wish more people would pick up an instrument, start painting, get into photography, or whatever else instead of just sitting on the couch waiting for the latest corporate approved star to entertain them.

I've also played in a shitty punk band that was luck enough to play CB's, get fan letters from all over the world, and meets some awesome people. Does it really matter that are songs were trite, three chord, and our instruments were out of tune?

As for bandwagons, surprise surprise! Hip Hop, Rock and Roll, shit every pop culture thing that blows up does so because of a bandwagon. Again, who cares? If some kid is in his basement having fun and expressing himself, what's the problem?

Ok, back to my latest hit...

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Posted by: Alex at August 11, 2005 6:56 PM

That is an interesting post. I think what people don't understand is the term "black rock." A lot of losers are saying I am cool because I am a "black rocker". However, a real rocker wouldn't care about his race. He would just love the music. When someone comes up to me and says im into black rock. They are so ignorant and stupid. Just say, I love rock music.

I am black and I hate the fact that people are creating "black rock." I have been in rock bands for a long time. Its always been about rock and thats it.

Its like Calling jins music, asian hip hop. Or eminem, white hip hop. I could go on forever.

When I was on the scene playing the race card was lame. Now, its a trend? PLEASE!

You know what made all the old school african american rockers cool? Their ability to get down with just about anyone. Hendrix never said, hey it has to be black.

At the same time, I think it is bad to discourage someone that does have a love for rock music. I think it is good that all people of many races can get into the music. It is wrong to tell someone that they should not play a certain kind of music because they are black. That is immoral and ignorant.

Believe it or not, trends need to happen. Rap, Hip hop, rock, break dancing were all trends. Trends produce a lot a of losers, but they all produce a few legends. If trends never existed, a lot of musicians, actors and business men would not exist.

Its not going to go away, lets just move on. As long as you do what you do with integrity and not just to fit in... You are a great person indeed.

Posted by: Shaft at August 13, 2005 11:01 AM

I hear you Essence, I hear you. Now I understand and I'm pissed. Where are the people buying me shots at shows then? Listening to my tales of authenticity and, more importantly, buying me beer? "Yeah, dude, this whole scene is, like, completely new... What? Oh, I drink Newcastle, thanks."

Posted by: janine at August 17, 2005 6:36 PM

Though I grew up listening to more rock than hip hop, I don't have any hatred for anyone trying to experiment with the genre. And I think if you're interested in doing so, research helps. That should be the case in all musical genres. The one problem i do have is the term black rock. We all know rock music is black music. Everyone's approach is going to be different because of of background, racial makeup etc. My feelings are if you suck you suck. There's wackness in everything. Just make good music period. ANd watch out for BP!!!!!

Posted by: seshat at August 28, 2005 6:25 PM

I think Sashat has a good point.I think when people fear or dont understand something, they lash out at it.The african american punk scene has always been there.Theres even a new african american goth scene growing out there(This is the part where some of you nearly choke on what your eating).I think it all comes down to are you a music lover or not.It also comes down to making a choice and not being ashamed or embarresed about it.If you truly want to keep it real, like what you like and not what someone else tells you, you have to like in order to fit in.Thats sort of at the bottom of this movement, is that you dont fit in , you dont meet the standards of any one group.However, your comfortable with that.It's just now, theres alot more of us and now we are have more of us to relate to.

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Can you really sit here and put a label on ROCK and what it should sound like? The sentence "It doesn?t rock in a Metallica way, it doesn?t rock in a Nirvana way, it doesn?t rock in a Matchbox 20 way" should stop you in your tracks right there...none of those bands have similar styles...not even remotely, but does it make it less rock? No.And To attach color to music is just insane not to mention freaking racist. You put down these people who are stepping outside the ordinary. Who are you to say a that rap and rock can't be combined or that all neo black rock is of poor calibur. I highly doubt that you've heard all of it. Why don't you try attacking some of the "white-rock" bands that have come out lately. Id say that its about 95% shit.People are tired of hearing the same thing a different day, we need a musical revolution. No one is willing to take risks anymore. So in short...fuck you. You're entitled to your opinion and Im entitled to mine.
Oh, and learn how to spell.

Posted by: Treasure at March 20, 2006 10:59 PM

Music is music ,black,white ,rock,rap as long as you do it for yourself and nothing other than the mere fact of creating something that makes you feel good,I happen to be black and love rock and love hip hop and I've dabbed in both for many years. I refuse to let someone or some sterotype dictate what type of music I should listen to or create,or how I should dress.Rock and hip hop were born outta of blues. It's time for us to break out of our boundaries and do something creative...don't just follow trends..be different, think different that's what's us makes us who we are...

Posted by: Darwin at March 22, 2006 6:20 PM

Well I listen to all types of music but mostly it's houston hip hip and fucking rock, and i'm not ashamed to say that I love rock&roll and I play guitar and I wear butt-ass tight pants, but i'm just being myself and that's all I can be.

Posted by: flipskatedestroy@aol.com at March 31, 2006 8:54 PM

nigga i LIVE in Black Rock!...CT...Bridgeport.....fact is i grew up around white kids listening to rock music...whatever...black sabbath has got some nasty funky riffs...hip hop dj's know this...you can't say rock is for white folks...rock IS black...if it wasn't for black people, there would be no rock and roll...p-funk is a rock outfit that would not have existed if not for jimi hendrix...well...i guess my point is simply you can't beat down every kid with a nirvana t-shirt just because you think he's trying to be cool with something other than hip hop...i live hip hop...i rocked that nirvana tape till it broke though...i also like tool...and i used to get assed out for saying that shit in public around my black friends...i got sick of it...i been rockin fishbone since 90...and where i'm from believe it or not, was not cool...i still don't get it...but now it's cool...but not cool enough...the stigma is not removed...it's being reinforced by stupid people who say what you said less thoughtfully...
now i understand what you're trying to say...and i've seen the folks you're talking about(there is some shit out there that's just wierd)..but you can't stereotype to such a degree that it belittles the folks who are trying simply to like what they like because they like it...not because someone else says it's cool or NOT cool. fuck that ...rock out, it's your business.

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Posted by: polari2600 at April 14, 2006 12:22 PM

1. Black folks started Rock 2. Black people already took back Rock (the funk movement of the 70's-early 80's) 3. Cody Chestnut and Martin Luther are Dope 4. I still love Hip-Hop.

The current crop of artists seeme to be a little more influenced by white groups. That's cool, George Clinton was listening to Cream, The Beatles, and Led Zepplin and look what he came up with.

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Posted by: Betsy Markum at May 31, 2006 8:04 PM

I'm black and I love rock and r&b. I don't like rap because most of it is degrading to women and why would I listen to it(being a girl an all)I love Nickelback, John Mayer, Maroon5, Fallout Boy, Creed, Panic! At The Disco, All American Rejects, and just about any current band you can think of.( check out John Mayer's rendition of Hendrix's Bold As Love on Continuum. It has an amazing guitar solo) I know plenty of other black people that think that's weird, but I know just as many that like the same things. I know certain genres are dominated by certain races but to me music doesn't really have a color. People just label it cause they have nothing better to do.

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