Police Beating in New Orleans

physically restraining someone from hurting themselves or others in a clinical setting is WAY different to beating an elderly person and the fact that federal cops were involved...deplorable

Right, the situations we were handling were, if anything, far MORE serious..

I am outraged. And yet I know this happens all the time, especially with people of color. It is Rodney King all over and over and over again.

This is not Rodney King all over again. It has nothing to do with race. It is funny how people will jump on the media bandwagon. Does anyone really know what happened prior to the video tape? NO! If you listen to the old man's story, he was just standing there when a cop decided to beat him up. How ridiculously false does that sound?! Then he says that he can't hear what the cops are saying to him as they are trying to handcuff him but he can hear a lady in the crowd saying "he didn't do anything wrong". Oh and let's not forget, he didn't say why he was resisting the cops, either. If you saw the tape you had to have noticed that the cops couldn't get his arms behind his back, that is called resisting arrest. What is the cop supposed to do, wait for the old man to give in? No, they have to control the situation. I suppose the cops could have beat him with their baton to get him to comply or maybe even shoot the old man. No matter what the cops would have done, they would have been wrong in the eyes of the media and the public who believe everything they see in the media. Get the whole story, then make your decision! I just might agree that the cops were excessive, but not until I know the truth. Watch the old man on television, he wasn't telling the whole truth. And why would an attorney allow a public statement before any type of trial.....? Something is not right about all of it. One thing is for sure, the attorney and the old man will get a lot of money out of this, maybe that was the idea...........?????

Is it racial??
Answer me this....

The sixty five year old black man was savagely beaten for making a comment.
Two white bystanders attempted to make comments and were not beaten, but given warnings and released. None of the three commited a crime against the public. What differenciates the actions of the three?

And you ask, is it racial!!
Well... what...

Ugly side of society

Drawing a line between racist/not-racist behavior can be difficult. But I can tell you for sure that old man would rather be called a "nigger" than have his face bashed in.

i am disgusted, hurt and yet not surprised by comments by "people" like buddy and his obviously racist and hateful comments which can be seen simply in the way he keeps referring to the senior citizen as "old man." First of all we now the 64 yr.old man is apparently intoxicated, which alters your understanding, and speech. Second police officers are trained with special holds and tactics to where this man could have been handcuffed without the necessary beating. When buddy is talking about him "resisting arrest", he's talking to the police officers, not yelling at them simply turning his head probably asking them why he is being arrested, is that illegal? there was not any force by this senior citizen. there is no way the three police officers we see, could not have gotten this senior citizen into their cars without punching him in the head first, and kicking him. Hey buddy maybe you didn't watch all of cnn, but white men witnesses to of whom were interview said that what we see on tape is not half of the horror they saw in person; "there were way more than 3 police officers involved." The cop on a horse hiding trying to block the camera, another white man retired detective said he's never known a horse to walk backwards. the fact is buddy sticks, and batons, guns should be used only if a real police officers life is in danger; this 64 year old drunk man was no threat to these racist, poor excuse for police officers. Until people like you buddy are called out for their ignorance and arrogance i think it's time for poor blacks all over the world to begin arming themselves against racist, crooked police officers who are acting more like gangsters and therefore we as a people need to protect ourselves from these badge wearing gangsta's if our government is not and "humans" like buddy exist.

Joseph Bruno, the attorney for Davis, said his client does not believe the assault was racially motivated.

"I know there is a big temptation to go there, but my client firmly believes that is not what is involved here," Bruno said in an interview.

Instead, Bruno said, Davis believes he was assaulted by "a couple of rotten apples that need to be dealt with."

Taken from a news story on CNN - lets not forget the fact that not only was this man beaten savagely, but the same video footage includes the same police officer attacking a WHITE journalist where he basically says he has been here 6 weeks trying to keep his f-in self alive - hello - seems like he is just taking his frustration out on this poor guy - yes maybe he was intoxicated, who knows but still did you see anything in the video that would have warranted being punched in the head like that or tackled to the ground - you want to tell me four guys including the officer on horseback couldnt control a nearly 70 year old former teacher??? I doubt it - and if the man was so out of control and the police officers felt it was necessary to use such force, why then was the man on horseback trying to block the camera? atleast they could have used the footage to say hey - this man is crazy, here is what he was doing to us and this is why we did what we did - no it is almost as if it was premeditated to do this - in order to control the horse and all he would have had to have been looking at the photographer- so how did he know what was happening behind him - and then why was it necessary for the cop to kick him when he was just trying to turn sideways abit after already being handcuffed - like the all bloodied up guy was gonna jump up and run away or something - sounds like a bunch of crap! Why is it necessary to bring race in to it? I am sure they didnt say hey its a black guy lets beat him up, but if the man beaten isnt pulling the race card why should we?

it is so easy for someone who is not black to say let's not pull out the race card. believe me as a black woman and mother of two sons' this is a stack of cards i wish i was never dealt but the fact is we live in a racist country we are a racist country and until people start researching outside of the channel 4 news and listening to kpfa and alternative media, amerikkka will continue to walk around ignorant and racist! Of course this 64yr old black man from and era of blatant racism is trying to keep the missing, he's not trying to be called a cry baby or accused of using the race card because amerikkka has blacks and other targeted groups feeling that it is wrong to speak of our own oppression in order for white amerikkka to be comfortable. Again would a 64yr. old white senior stress or no stress have been beaten like this black man was- i dare say HELL NO! because that would have been a valued life, valued by the media, the government, the politics and society on the other hand when and in what arena are we shown that black men are anything other than rapist, thieves, murderers and drug dealers! Look at your television commercials, your news stories, your favorite police drama and tell me who the criminals are! It time for blacks all over the globe to finally begin talking about racism, the slavery which has yet to be rectified, it's time to talk about the inner city reality the substandard schools and teachers which are traps for keeping black children uneducated and unprepared for futures in anything meaningful and this is coming from someone that works in the inner city school system and so i see the reality and the blatant difference between our schools and those "public" schools in the suburbs. Find out how crack got into the inner city, find out how the guns got there; go and visit your local socialist book store and find out the stories amerikkka tries to hide; contact maxine waters our congress woman who tried to demand and investigation into the crack cocaine dilema in the inner city and was silenced! It is no accident the conditions in the inner city, those descendants of slaves, rape, and miseducation who have never been able to dig themselves out of amerikkka's social, emotional and physical trap. I give the example of the woman who is raped but never recieves help so she grows up hating men, hating sex and people wonder why, she is labeled as strange; blacks are amerikkka's rape victim and we have never gotten the help. You literally have to be super human to survive in the inner city and for some of us our spirits break right along with our dreams and it then becomes a survival of the fittest mentality. there is no hope in the hood, when there are no good schools, no good teachers, no good cops and parents strung out on no good drugs! how can we dream, how can we achieve under these conditions! Amerikkka, we don't want our sons' to die, we don't want them to be drug dealers or murderers we have the same hopes and dreams that you do except we are starting with one foot cut off, one arm tied behind our back, and one eye shot out-how far would you go?

I don't really think it would have mattered if the cops took out there guns and shot him in the head on tape, people like Buddy would have been defending the cops then to. I would bet you a $1,000.00 dollors Buddy felt sorry for the cops in the Rodney King beating to. And i bet he considers himself a good Christian, what an asshole. To bad it wasn't his father that was getting his ass kicked.

The final footage of the man lying on the sidewalk, bloodied ,handcuffed, and kicked needs no further exlanation. Those cops should be fired on the spot. The amount of blood shed is just too much.

This is nothing close to Rodney King. He was a huge guy, strung out on drugs, trying to resist actively, and what they did to him was still WAY over the top. What they did to this poor old man was WAAAAY worse. I could've detained this guy myself even if he was drunk (very questionable) and resisting. Who doesn't try to resist if they are getting beaten and arrested unfairly anyway?
What amazes me even more is how the lawyers in this case are trying to go back after this man. What a assinine decision. This is a disaster waiting to happen. As if black people in New Orleans didn't have enought to get pissed off about as it is, this is lumped on top of it, and these schmucks have the gumption to say what they did was right. Amazing. Well at least those cops were stupid enough to show there faces on national television right afterwards, so at least we can hope they get recognized and chastized.
Another thing that is amazing is the poise and humbleness of the man that was beaten. He's not even interested in making a big deal out of it, he just wants to "get back to where he was before this happened" and get his medical bills paid for. God bless him and hope he has a speedy recovery.

I think that the man got beaten wasn't right for those three men to do.They need to get beaten for what they did and stop lying and saying they didn't.If I see them I just why ask them why they did it and was it called for.

What those officers did was disgusting and out of control. It makes other cops around the country look bad. But for Denise Alomar to say, "i think it's time for poor blacks all over the world to begin arming themselves against racist, crooked police officers who are acting more like gangsters and therefore we as a people need to protect ourselves from these badge wearing gangsta's", is just idiotic and inflammatory. I don't have to be black to recognize racism. Blacks are some of the biggest racists around. I don't go walking around using the "N" word like a greeting. And for Denise to claim that the inner city is the cause of all of her troubles is just plain stupid. I grew up in the "inner city", and so did many of my friends. We didn't turn out to be thugs. Denise, wake up, and smell your own ignorance.

I want to make one thing clear. I am not a racist, and if you don't believe me, that is your loss. The difference I am trying to show is that I give things and people a chance, as you all don't. There was a comment of how I am not a christian. Let's look at that. I am not the one walking around saying "fry 'em, shoot 'em, beat them up", you all are the ones saying that and then using the phrase, "God Bless". I use the term "old man" because old is an adjective that, in my opinion, describes a 64-year-old person. I don't believe this was racist and I am not defending the cops. Of course it looks bad. But guess what,,,none of you know the whole truth. You watch t.v. and make assumptions about what you saw. And now you have proven how the media works, as one person said "nearly 70-year-old". Next thing you now, the cops would have beaten up a 90-year-old guy in a wheelchair. You listen to "64-year-old teacher" and think he must be the best guy in the world. I know some pretty bad teachers. I have seen some pretty bad scandals involving teachers and their sexual relations with students. (really great people, huh?) There are good and bad teachers, just like there are good and bad cops. This shows you the bad cops, but I am not making a judgement until I know the truth. I need all of the facts. As far as this country being the racist "Amerikkka" that it is, I say move out. Go to the communist countries. Don't enjoy America's freedom and then put it down because of the bad people you encounter. Move to a different town or state and get to know the good people. The facts of all this are that it did look excessive, but the facts also are that we didn't see the whole thing and we don't know what happened before the video. You can keep being your judgemental, non-christian selves and I'll take my stand on the side of the minority, waiting for the complete facts of the case.

I am outraged and I would love to be a juror in this trail. This was a brutal beating of a man; in which; the officers did not have grounds to use this type of force. How dare fellow citizens or other police officer justify what the tape clearly shows. Not only is the officer morally worng but they crossed the line between restraing someone to becoming a criminal themselves by beating him in the back of the head and etc. There is no justification for their action(crime). For those that side with the officers, yes you do have a right to your opinion. But if you agree with the crime, you are just as guilty of the crime as those who committed. In the end justice will prevail and those officers will pay for the crime. Then you can voice how wrong the truth is.

I absolutely hate the race card to be played everytime something like this happens, but the sad truth is this time they're probably right. Why don't we see white cops beat a white man like this? It's because they are racist, but why don't everyone admit that they are just as many black racist as white? As for the beating, it was the most disgusting, sickoning act of power abuse I have ever seen. They could have controlled him without beating him half to death. They are very lucky they didn't kill him. Instead of trying to justify their actions, the sorry excuses that call themselves cops should bow down and thank the man for showing them what a real man is supposed to be by how he has handled the situation. People can learn alot from him. Just to bad they aren't more men like him, and less punks like the so called cops.

new age technology, Volts for seconds not fists and choke holds for minutes

There was no need for this beating. How many police officers does it take to arrest a 65 year old man? I am calling for another rodney king riots. Everyday, we hear about police beating. When will it all stop. These cops in New orleans will become regular men after they are fired, who will protest them. I will beat their ass. I will go to new orleans and creat a riot. Join in!!!!

The only justification for beating the man in the film is that he was resisting being handcuffed. One wrist was cuffed and the second still needed to be cuffed. Everyone of the four police/FBI men surrounding the old man could have applied the relatively small amount of pressure to bring the free arm around to be cuffed. They all learned the technique at the Police Academy and have applied it thousands of times. If done properly, your mother could do it. What we all observed was a beating that was given a "smoke screen" of he resisted being handcuffed. When plaintiff's counsel calls the expert witness (re: Instructor from a reputed police academy, like, out of town) the position taken by the police will become untenable. Reality: All this is talk. There will be no trial. The brutality charges will be settled out long before trial.
There is no a police defense attorney in the country that would want to show that film strip to a jury and claim that the force was justified. It is not even close.

It doesn't matter what the cops do, they will be looked at badly. If they use the "new technology, Volts for seconds not fists and choke holds for minutes", that would be looked at as excessive also. The TASER is already being looked at as excessive, because of so-called deaths that it has caused. Using a baton would be looked at as excessive, using pepper spray would be excessive, all because he is an old man. You all seem to think that controlling an old person would be so easy, but you have no idea until you try to control someone who is not willing and refuses to comply. I agree, it looks excessive, I agree that they should certainly be suspended if not fired. But lets hear the whole story. Face it, none of us knows what happened before the camera was turned on. We can make all the assumptions about we want to. Any shot the media puts on t.v. will look bad. Maybe the guy had a knife, what then? Would it be excessive? What if they told him to put his hands up and he put them in his pocket, would that be excessive? You all have no idea until you are the ones covering the calls when you don't know if you will be shot at or stabbed. Especially in the state that New Orleans is in right now. It isn't the most peaceful place in the world.

what do you call excessive force?Who besides the people who have been trained to use such when the right time comes?And who has given the green light to administer this activity?The answear gose back to 1980 when crime was rampent and the bill of rights tied the law inforcements hands.So a solution was manufactured to counter this problem for the law inforcers to deal with this.The supreme court and the lower courts all agreed,give all law enforcers free will and a wide range of backed by the courts authority to do whatever it takes to combat crime no matter how small the offence is!The question is and will remain,who in the public domain is ready to take back what the highr court and lower courts took away that kept the people hired from attacking and killing whith wanton and disreguard for human rights?

What proves that we live in a society that is racist through and through is not just that the New Orleans man was beaten by the cops, so much as that what everyone saw crystal clear on TV was insufficient to convince those who choose to give the cops the benefit of the doubt. Only in a racist society would anyone find cause to find reasons to make a case for an act of brutality that is apparently outrageously unjust to the naked eye.

And yet we ask ourselves why the rest of the world thinks the way we are?, we are a third world country, or better we could be compare to Cuba.
I do not think this is racist issue, we are facing a phsicological problem here, this guys are sick. They were probably beaten like this either from their wives or parents.

I am absolutely mortified and become more and more disgusted with the police force and their acceptance of this type of behavior. I heard that the police officers "will be suspended". SUSPENDED? Are you kidding me? They should be so FIRED! That is a perfect example of the message that the police force sends when they tolerate these actions. It was obvious to everyone except to the irate and obviously angry officers that he was NOT resisting arrest! They left him lying in a pool of blood and then proceeds to attack a camera man that caught this disgusting fit of rage on video. What is wrong with our society that we are accepting of this, it makes me naseaus.

One thing that really pissed me off about this video tape is, the 64 year old man is already bleeding, on the ground handcuff and the situation is under control, BUT YET you have another IDIOT cop still kicking the guy for no reason, that’s just mean, those cops are really dumb and not professional at all.

The point is not if the old man was in the wrong. The whole thing is okay he was drunk and he may have said some words to the police. But the put this 64 year old man in HANDCUFFS AND BEAT HIM. They did not beat him until AFTER he was in handcuffs. It was NOT self defense. This crime obviously out of anger. To beat a helpless 64 year old man who is in handcuffs? And there were 4 people total beating him. Four people beating that man. I just don't understand how you can do something like that to someone so helpless

All of us are rasist, all of us. The blacks are sometimes worse then the whites. Sure the whites did it first, but myself I would never walk thru a black city day or night. I think you would be dead in less then a minute. When we all act like the one race we are then this will end, aslong the Blacks, Whites, Yellows, and Reds feel that they are a race in themselves we will never live together. Humans are the race, color is just a thing.

I am a white man with a conservative background. I do not have any black friends, not by choice just out of my life style.

The police in the incident are criminals. What I saw was typical arrogance of police officers. One more minute of just talking to the guy would have calmed him down. However, these imbeciles are not taught that. Everything is forced. Instead of being put in a cop car and taken home, he was almost murdered. To me it was gang (police gang) violence and attempted murder.

No excuses, put them in jail now, take their pensions, savings, sell their cars and all of their personal possesions and give the proceeds to that man and his family.

I do not care if he was drunk or not, I don't think he was.

Let me break it down for you. What you have is a very busy street and half of the people you know you can't trust. The cops are there to keep order amongst this large group of people, while being shot at and ganged up on; basically abused in every way you can be, physically and verbally. So dealing with a situation has to be speedy or you know that 10 other people will jump you, take your gun and probably kill you with it.

Now you have this "teacher", walking around making fun of the police, telling them how the curfew is stupid and the cops are stupid. One cop notices that the teacher is drunk (or at least acting drunk) and decides to take this teacher in because he is stirring the rest of the people up. The cop approaches the teacher and he walks backwards and away from the cop. The cop takes control of the teacher and he struggles a little. More cops show up to assist in cuffing this teacher without undue force. Now he starts resisting a lot and using vulgar language towards the cops. The cops start getting frustrated, they know that this has happened before and if they don't get this teacher into custody in a hurry, then they will be jumped from behind. So they start hitting him, trying to get the teacher to comply and just put his hands behind his back. The teacher struggles more and the cops take him to the ground. The cops continue to try and cuff him but he won't comply. They start hitting him again to get him to listen. All the while there is another cop stategically standing by the crowd to keep them back so the cops don't get jumped. The cop in the crowd has to keep another person back that approached him, like so many other people have done in similar situations. While being cuffed and on the ground, the teacher continues to talk trash. This is not a quiet old teacher who never does anything wrong. The "teacher" knew what he was doing. And now he will reap the benefits of his evil plan, by getting a serious paycheck.

This comes from a non-racist, unbiased person from the crowd. This so-called "teacher" knew what he was doing.

Ted,

I never heard of the "beating a 64 year man" crowd control technique? Must be a new form of public service provided by the police.

Geez, I wonder why they were fired then?

i am 21yrs old from London, England. I am mixed race, half South African and half English. Despite the presumptions people have of Britain London is very multi cultural. Being half South African, hearing the horrific stories of what happened over there and how it affected my Dad I know the direct fear that black people everywhere feel when they see things like footage of that old man being beaten. They are terrified that things actually haven't changed and they're frightened for the future of their children. Most people (of any race) were disgusted by the actions of the police but for black people it evoked feelings of pure terror as a reminder that sometimes people will just see you as a colour. I watched that footage and cried because I knew that could easily have been my father or a family member from South Africa during Apparteid 20years ago, how long has America been liberated from segregation? So how can this still be happening? Because there are still fundamental stereotypes, racism, class issues that shouldn't be shrugged off. They cannot be ignored. Some people have defense issues and can't believe that there country has fundamental flaws, as if it shows some kind of weakness in their world. It shows more weakness not being able to face the faults. Stop the denial. Many black people's votes weren't counted the election before last, that could mean your President is a racist? Does he have a problem bombing brown, blacks 'Injuns'world wide? I don't think so. Come on America lets start seeing past the end of your noses and really fight for the truth and equality that is WORLD democracy.

Yes, let's look past the end of our noses. There is racism everywhere. Whites racist against blacks and blacks racist against whites. We have college funds and colleges that are strictly for blacks, how racist is that? What about the Black Entertainment Television, BET, good channel, but nothing but black folk. If there was an all white college (no other races allowed) or an all white television channel, then the race card would be thrown up again. What is missed, is that there are a lot of racist people, but it goes all ways, not just whites against the rest of the world. So, yes look past the end of your nose and see that you aren't the only victim. And of course, you must be right, the president is racist. That is why he is sacrificing Americans to go and save a different race of people in Iraq. People who throw out the race card all the time need to realize that it is everywhere, not just whites against blacks. Move on from where you are and see the rest of the world. The only thing in the news on t.v. is the bad stuff. How many times do you see the Asian kid, African American kid, Indian kid and white kid all playing in the sandbox at the park? Never, and that is not because it doesn't happen, but because that isn't something they want you to see on the news (it isn't very interesting). Quit watching t.v. and explore the world, it is not as bad as the news makes it out to be.

Actually, it's worse. The race issue isn't a "plague on both your houses" situation. There is a great big difference between those who are victims of racial oppression and those who are members of the privileged race doing the oppressing, who are resented for it. Neither is very productive, but at least the oppressed have a handle on who is doing what to whom and that is the very compass necessary to lead all of us out of this quagmire called capitalism. The U.S. government isn't sacrificing lives to help people of a "different" race--different from WHO? The U.S. government and its multi-racial leadership that acts on behalf of the privileged ruling class is sending its volunteer army to Iraq because it cannot tolerate the loss of that real estate and having a free hand to control it. It cannot tolerate the struggles for justice that grow out of the ineluctable need to respond to the horrific conditions created by imperialism. Whichever races and nationalities are coming to the aid of the U.S. government doesn't really matter. What counts is WHO opposes it, and because of the special oppression of Black people the world over, they will always be in the front ranks of the fight back. It doesn't mean individuals of other races can't play an important role in that fight, but it does mean that assigning equal weight to racist oppression, on the one hand, and the resentment and anger of those who have been oppressed, is wrongheaded and reckless.

I don't believe so much that the beating of this 64 year old man was a racial issue. I believe that the police officers were just abusing their power. Oftentimes, police feel like they can do whatever they want to people just because they wear that stupid badge. I am finding with my experience that most police are just plain "Bad".

I only hope that in Mr. Davis' situation, the police officers involved in the beating get permanentally fired!!!

So Ted you are finally pulling out the race card saying you guys have this and we don't! Pooor thing! Now compare what white societies WORLD WIDE (if you can see that far)that blacks, asians etc don't. Whats the point of making those comparisons just open your eyes and understand that racism has plagued the coloured races from the beggining of colonialism and yes alot has changed but some things haven't. You can't just bomb countries, be a ruling force in the world and not allow certain blacks to vote in your elections, Land of the free? You must be joking!

I am not pulling out any race card. I agree that whites have not been abused or treated badly as far as racism is concerned. I am actually appalled at our forefathers behavior to let it last as long as they did. My point was that America is trying, (yes, I agree that some people aren't trying), to make up for the stupidity of slavery and the racist attitudes of old. I was pointing that out by the types of things that are allowed for blacks, like BET and college funds, etc. I see nothing wrong with it. My problem is that many people, like yourself (charlotte), can't look to the present and the future. You are stuck back in the early to mid 1800's. If you honestly can't see the freedom that many people have fought and died for, then you don't deserve it. You don't deserve to have a job or a right to vote. You as a woman have overcome two obstacles and should appreciate it more than any other. I think that if you lived in early America you would appreciate it a bit more. It will never be perfect and not everyone will be the way you want them to be. I am sure you yourself aren't perfect and can understand what I am trying to say.

Hey bitches, this was an excessive use of force incident, that is that. The stories of both sides may be flawed but the police officers do know they did wrong(if they feel remorse, i do not know). The 'old man' may be spicing up the details of his encounter for favor through media but nonetheless, he was beaten far beyond what was necessary for him to be subdued if, in fact, he did not comply with the arrest and required such action. Whatever i guess. Don't bother to post to me, I won't visit this site again due to foolish babblings of angry people who jump to conclusions and seem to be very close minded. Time to go burn down :)

if you think what the cops did was right, then you honestly NEED to see a doctor AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. they obviously are not of the human species and need to disappear from this planet. they are whats wrong with the world. should the be fired? yes. alive? no.

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