Jay-Z's First Response to the Cam Record

"half of this ass-backwards "ignorance is strength" hip-hop nation we now live in..."

We no live in? Shan responded to KRS for the same reason Jay wants to respond to Cam. Nothing has changed or gotten worse.

Now, real ignorance would be for Jay to shoot Cam.

I didn't say it would be ignorant for Jay to respond.. I was commenting on the (IMO) silly way many folks in the audience react to this kind of thing, taking any attempt to resolve a conflict instead of escalating it as a sign of weakness or being a "pussy."

It's the way manhood is measured in the community today and it isn't a good look for the future.

The Shan vs KRS beef isn't in the same league as 50 Cent, Biggie, Tupac, etc. Most people have never even heard of MC Shan.

Jay made the obvious move. Anything else would have been childs play. If you continually beef at the top, it proves you have no message, only a desire to maintain your status.

OK, I guess I'm alone here, but I don't understand the problem if Jay decided to respond on wax. I thought that was what it's all about, teaching the youth to handle your beef through words and music instead of knives and bullets. And the "answer record" was and still is a unique and essential part of hip hop.

Not that I fault Jay for not answering (which in itself is a pretty bad dis), I just wouldn't fault him if he did, either.

And if my memory of high school serves me right, the accusations of being "weak" or a "pussy" is just the fans' sour grapes at not being able to see a good fight. ;)

Us as men don't have a rite of passage to becoming men anymore. There is no event that happens in our culture that's allows us the priviledge to call OURSELVES a man. There, we have a society of boys acting how they think men should without elders to set us straight. It has to start from somewhere or else this type of mentality will thrive for more generations to come.

jay-z doesnt need to respond to cam on this matter. he has proven before that he will murder people and he will do so to cam. it would be just a waste of jay's time to respond.

I don't think we disagree kami, I wouldn't necessarily fault Jay either way..

Killa Cam needs to kill dat noise... with his nursery school rymes... "1-2-3 I rap about JZ. 4-5-6 I hope they all "cop" this". I made a funny.

Remember that Ice Cube waited a LONG TIME before replying to N.W.A. in the infamous "No Vaseline". The word on the street was that Cube was soft, and that he was on the East Coast's dick for having the Bomb Squad produce his solo joint.

It wasn't until "Death Certificate" dropped that Cube decided to make a dis track, and IMO it is still the greatest dis track in hip-hop history. In one song, he singlehandedly tore down the N.W.A. myth that he helped create.

At the time, the press only focused on his use of the word "Jew" to describe Jerry Heller, but the real fans knew what Cube had done: "No Vaseline" is less a dis track than a wake-up call to the remaining Niggaz With Attitude, telling them to look after their money before it was too late.

I think Jay is smart to let Cam talk his smack. Maybe Cam will dis him a few more times, until Jay unleashes a devastating rebuke of his former protege that goes beyond name-calling and into the realm of "check yo'self before you wreck yo'self"...

CAN WE GET A COMMENT FROM DAME DASH PLEASE!

it amazes me how Cam could even put himself in the same class as "The King of NY." i will leave it at this.....Fade to Black! the mark of a true KING!!!

should jay-z wear slippers with long denims or not?

This is topic is getting old.....tired of dis tracks....and kings of hiphop fugg it....find a new emperor with new clothes.

It's just free publicity for anything Jay decides to do now.

Let me some up Cam's catalogue. "2 of them shits were doo and the other 2 were on Jay's Lable". Jay's verse on "Welcome to NY City", made the Come home with me album. Cam is a funny dude and I love the Purple Haze album (thought it was very underrated), but this guy raps like preschooler half the time. For instance "okey dokey I leave bitches pokey pokey". It's funny and all, but you can't take lyrics like that seriously. I did however think the Fragil rock innuendos were hilarious. As far as the Dame shit, him and Biggs should have gave up the master copy to Reasonable Doubt and they could have had the Roc name. Kanye West is a grown mand and can side with whoever he wants. Bottom line...Jay is the best that's ever done it! He doesn't have to say a word and I like the statement that Kami made (that in itself wins the battle in my book);although I really want to hear the rebutle to this corny dis track.

The Trade Man

Let me some up Cam's catalogue. "2 of them shits were doo and the other 2 were on Jay's Lable". Jay's verse on "Welcome to NY City", made the Come home with me album. Cam is a funny dude and I love the Purple Haze album (thought it was very underrated), but this guy raps like preschooler half the time. For instance "okey dokey I leave bitches pokey pokey". It's funny and all, but you can't take lyrics like that seriously. I did however think the Fragil rock innuendos were hilarious. As far as the Dame shit, him and Biggs should have gave up the master copy to Reasonable Doubt and they could have had the Roc name. Kanye West is a grown mand and can side with whoever he wants. Bottom line...Jay is the best that's ever done it! He doesn't have to say a word and I like the statement that Kami made (that in itself wins the battle in my book);although I really want to hear the rebutle to this corny dis track.

The Trade Man

Let me some up Cam's catalogue. "2 of them shits were doo and the other 2 were on Jay's Lable". Jay's verse on "Welcome to NY City", made the Come home with me album. Cam is a funny dude and I love the Purple Haze album (thought it was very underrated), but this guy raps like preschooler half the time. For instance "okey dokey I leave bitches pokey pokey". It's funny and all, but you can't take lyrics like that seriously. I did however think the Fragil rock innuendos were hilarious. As far as the Dame shit, him and Biggs should have gave up the master copy to Reasonable Doubt and they could have had the Roc name. Kanye West is a grown mand and can side with whoever he wants. Bottom line...Jay is the best that's ever done it! He doesn't have to say a word and I like the statement that Kami made (that in itself wins the battle in my book);although I really want to hear the rebutle to this corny dis track.

The Trade Man

sorry about hitting post to many times fellas...my bad!

I am glad Jay handled it with some maturity and professionalism.
That is what the Hip-Hop nation needs...badly

I just got done reading the new XXL article with Cam and this may some really ignorant, but I think Cam set himself up to get shot. This guy just happened to get shot in the same exact spot in both arms and both those areas don't cause any damage to the body. I also feel that he lost the battle already with one statement he made about Jay & Nas. He said that their both to old and 15 and 16 year old kids don't care about their music. The 30 year old Cam, then said if 15 and 16 year olds don't care then neither does he...implying that he makes music for kids. I like Cam and all, but this type of thought is stunting the growth of hip-hop. He needs to realize that the industry is grown and is moving into adult culture now. I personally don't want to hear a bunch of babbage written to appeal to high school kids. I'm not a huge fan of the younger rappers and find it hard to take seriously. I want someone to portray experience in their thought process and speak on intellectual terms. Once again, I like Cam but his shit is Wal-Mart brand...generic!

Trade Man

The Trade Man

Talk about a bitch that wears pink & purple all the time, Cam' is a lil' uptight for a bitch huh? .That "jumping labels to labels dicks,and I don't wan't beef with 50 Cent whore" raps about STD's getting the clap & Aids past, also selling drugs amonst his peers also he looked like gay steel worker on his first album. He problaly shot himself, then goes makes a song using that Dip Set "Get Em' Daddy" tracks beat that no one pay'd attention to when it came out Remember?. Then he does the video wearing a blue beanie and blue fur coat looking just like he woke out of bed with Jim Jones laying next to him???. Fuck Juelz Santana & The Heatmakerz for sampeling "Please Mister Postman", "Oh Yes" was a disgrace to The Beatles if anything The Beatles we're all about PEACE & LOVE. Fuck Jim Jones! Fuck Un Casa! I saw that mother fucker without a cap on he looked just like Dave Chappel in The Nutty Proffesor when Eddie Murphy shitted on him, it was that bad. Fuck Freeky Zeeky!, Fuck Byrd Gang!, Fuck Hell Rell!, Fuck Purple City! not Harlem these mother fuckers put a name on their home. FUCK DIPLOMATS I WANT MY MONEY BACK FROM THOSE BULL SHIT ALBUMS. AND FUCK YOU IF YOU LIKE THEM!. Peace & Love.

Fuck Trade Man.

I'm not on here to beef, just discuss! Sorry Mitch just my opinion bud! Like I said...it may be ignorant, but my opinion homey.

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Jay aint seeN Killa Cam he'z a bitta not a writta

ignorant wretches!

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fuck Cam ron because that nigga is a hater and a bum B that nigga couldn't see Jay on his worst day believe that

Did yall know that jim hoe ass jones got his ass beat at rucker park the other day and his homeboy CAM RON left his ass right there ain't that some shit

Camron

WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKIN???????????????

Has anybody seen the XL hip hop show on mtv2 yet? A bunch of the hip hop elite are having a discussion on the year in hiphop 2005. Jim Jones totally makes an ass out of himself. This guy is fake as hell. When you look up the word clown in the dictionary...there is a picture of Jim. The dipset is worlds behind everyone else in the industry in my book. I do listen to their music and have bought a few cd's (which are most fast forwardable). These guys need to grow the fuck up. Jim Jones was acting like a little boy among men at the table. It's people like him that cause things like an NBA dress code. His type of immaturity give the whole culture a bad nam. You can say, well he's from the streets and this blah blah blah. He aint moved half the shit that Jay as, music or weight; but you don't see Jay handling himself like some punk ass kid that hasn't grown up yet.

I like the dips (although they'll never be on the level of Jay or Kanye intellectually) Jim Jones is GARBAGE!

The Trade Man

Has anybody seen the XL hip hop show on mtv2 yet? A bunch of the hip hop elite are having a discussion on the year in hiphop 2005. Jim Jones totally makes an ass out of himself. This guy is fake as hell. When you look up the word clown in the dictionary...there is a picture of Jim. The dipset is worlds behind everyone else in the industry in my book. I do listen to their music and have bought a few cd's (which are most fast forwardable). These guys need to grow the fuck up. Jim Jones was acting like a little boy among men at the table. It's people like him that cause things like an NBA dress code. His type of immaturity give the whole culture a bad nam. You can say, well he's from the streets and this blah blah blah. He aint moved half the shit that Jay as, music or weight; but you don't see Jay handling himself like some punk ass kid that hasn't grown up yet.

I like the dips (although they'll never be on the level of Jay or Kanye intellectually) Jim Jones is GARBAGE!

The Trade Man

Jay Z is a fuckin fake he been makin shit muzik since day one he a bitch. JayZ punk ass response was fuckin stupid his bitch ass should spit a damn rhyme at Killa, but he know killa cam would simply murder his bitch ass. I bet u Jay Z didnt even cut with Beyonce yet, The Roc is slippin man, Dipset bitch. Cam da man, Jay da gay. DDDDDDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEETTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!

Though I think Jay-Z will be all but forced to respond to Camron's track, I believe that his current position on the matter, that being no response, is in fact an indication that hip-hop is indeed making progress.

Sounds like Cam had a case. But you have to be a die-hard Diplomats fan to not see that he missed his chance. He might have flown his plane into the towers, but them shits were little planes, with not much gasoline, and I don't think anyone thinks Jay's laying at Ground Zero because Cam dissed his sandals. Hiphop vets know a few things to look for that immediately know this is a money grab beef. 1- new album coming 2- going after someone way above you 3- shooting, a very safe shooting 4- didn't dude just go after a girl, like they already did going after Kelis, is that hard?
I liken Cam to that kid who you want to fuck up, but you don't fight because he's so fucking stupid you don't know what he'll do, so you either gotta beat him into submission, or just ignore em.......You gotta know Jay wants to shred em, shit, I think Beyonce might step up and make ol' Cam look stupid. And if it's true that Cam is 30, he need not be saying anything age related,,,,,,and for the love of GOD, if you're gonna dis someone, edit your shit so it's tight...I mean what the fuck~! and I can listen to Cam sometimes, but if you're going after Jay, Em, Cube, Rakim, Nas, whoever, the upper lyrical crust, you better not leave one bubble when laying em out, cause they will torture your vulnerabilities. one.

Did yall see Jim Jones get jumped and Cam'ron running away leaving him there. Then he says they took it like a man(what??) and it's all true. Prettey messed up huh?. Beef sucks, the only one who loses are the fans.

It really doesn't matter what nobody else thinks because being the bigger man is knowing when to walk away, unless somethings about to jump off right there and then, but in my opinion Cam'ron hasn't touched Jay-Z with this new song, because Jay has nothing to prove it's Cam who has something to prove and that's why he's coming at Jigga. When Cam become Vice pres. of Roc-a-Fella Jigga didn't agree with the idea and he said so himself, but he walked away to bigger and better things. I'm strictly wit Nas all the way because that's my favorite rapper, so if Cam is really gonna prove something use some real lyrics like my boy did even though that beef was all about the $$$... The man has part ownership in a NBA basketball team, and could be on top of Def Jam Records one day. Do u think he really has sometime to respond to that bullshit song!!!!!!! C'mon now if u were really smart u would see that Cam and Jay were never really that cool anyway, and Cam'ron know's that Jay would've loved the position he has now with the Roc so he just wants rub some shit in Jigga's face, but like I said b4 what Jay have to really prove. This shit is only a bullshit way to bring him out of retirement and make another record. Plus the only thing I can really agree with Cam on is that he shot straight for the top because he know's if a beef could start up that's the more money made goiing in his pocket!!!!!!! Look at the real picture man and stop worrying about some dumb ass beef!!!!!! Fo real!!

I CANT BELIEVE PEOPLE STILL LISTEN TO JAY-Z ANYONE THAT CALLS HIMSELF HOVA IE GOD AND HIS RECORDS WHEN SPUN BACKWARDS SAYS KILL JESUS 666 IS DEFINITELY BLASPHEMIC. I JUST WONDER IF HE SOLD HIS SOUL TO THE DEVIL. MAKES U THINK

i THink jay will respond but not untill cams movie and record drop. alittle after that time look for it

jay will come with bullets.

words won't pierce places that don't do harm
Nigga cam will be put out to pasture on hip hop Farm
Won't be arranged shots to the arm
cams a joke man cheesy like chicken parm
Well its no shocker 2 cam is dressed in pink
When he bends over he likes one in the stink
THat nigga cams a straight fag
he loves the cock yo a Human cum rag
I'll leave it at that for now
cam trying to milk this shit like its a cash cow
coming at jay to move album sales
I hope this little game end up like him and fails

GOodnight!

D

Jay-Z is aight... But damn, your boy has taken so many rhymes WTF. He built his foundation taking biggies shit. All these niggas talkin about Cam's a kiddy rapper just don't understand Cam. Cam's style is a refreshment in todays boring ass rap. You hear the same shit from every1. And ya talking about Cam's record being a move to sell, Well a lot of people think Jay's and Nas beef was to sell also. If any1 is trying to sell shit its Jay: rocawear, been in beer commercials, s.carter snearkers, hes sold just about everything but his huge ass lips. Dipset all day everyday

I'm glad Cam took the time to expose this swagger jacking fraud.

I love Cam's "Yoda Flow", that's what I like to call it, it's backwards and shit, but I think Jay-Z was more paying respect to the rappers that influenced him more than stealing their rhymes. It's not his fault that we're such bad hip hop fans, and so mainstream now that we can't tell that he's using some of the legends of hip-hop's lyrics until Cam' tells us he "stole" em.

Check the Record Jay-Z 5 Classic albums Reasonable Doubt, In My Lifetimes Vol.1, Streets is Watching(Soundtrack), The Blueprint, The Black Album. Cam'ron NONE! Go do your Research.

Check the Record Jay-Z 5 Classic albums Reasonable Doubt, In My Lifetimes Vol.1, Streets is Watching(Soundtrack), The Blueprint, The Black Album. Cam'ron NONE! Go do your Research.

if anybody finds the music code to this song send the code to me at dominicandoughboy2006@yahoo.com ok title it music code

jay needs to stand down the roc has crumbled and thats the truth now he has to sign nas after all that shit hes gonna sign nas camron is way fresher and much more respected than jay these days becaufe jay has sold out what was the last roc hit not from jay beanie sigel is the only cat out the roc who can survive on his own it the dips turn to shine and they have real credibility so every body else can suck a dick and get the fuck outta here

cam just entered the danger zone
He gone make my boy hove put his name in a song
HE That hungry for fame?!!
COCKSUCKER C'mon.

camron still crazy from the fucking bullets.it's niggas like u that are takin hiphop back.nursery rymes and the same worthless message on each song.the dis track is garbage.Since when do we say 'STOLE'? i thought dame was supposed to be a fuckin hustler!fuck santana, jones and cam.you keep singin the same song like sadee do.

THE DYNASTY REMAINS!

Alright, the fact is that this beef isn't all started with this shit...Everyone hearing this song should listen to swagger jacker where CAM plays a verse from someone JAY stole some lyrics from then plays that same hit verse said in the exact same words...SWAGGER JACKER...he obviously never wrote SHIT and i don't see how that amounts to a great rapper at all...those that like old school or new school, either one, i don't see how any fan of rap could stand up for such a jacker...Cam blew diplomats up to the 500 million dollar movement they are into now...gotta respect the hustle...most that money made on the mixtape scene in NYC....thats hustlin and hustlers are what makes rap what it is...fuck cheating stealing bitches and i hope cam bodies his ass.. cam knows jay better than most so i would say he knows jay's strengths and weaknesses...jay don't know what cam's working with especially in the streets considering Jay probably hadn't been on the streets since he retired...

im sayin like jay z will murder cam in ne thing

C'mon man, Jay is a fucking legend, you can't take that from him, no matter how you feel about him. Yeah he might have taken some rhymes from other rappers, but what rapper hasn't? Name one rapper who has not sampled a beat or used a rhyme that another rapper originated. Hell everybody bites BIGGIE, shit he's the best that ever did it. Furthermore, Jay's hottest rhymes was the original ones. I ain't saying Cam's wack, cuz to me, that nigga can rhyme. Forget about his style, listen to the man's lyrics. He's nice. But that still don't give him a right to throw rocks at the throne. Check Jay's record- 5 platinum albums, multi million dollar man and he'll bury Cam on a response track. Y'all don't know what y'all talking about. Like Jay said "Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it"?

listen to swagger jacker then u will know he didnt wrote a single thang if you'z a real mc u never steal lyrics from a other artist

OK, OK. I am 29, grew up around Cam, Dame, and Jim Jones in Harlem. I got alot of love for those guys and can't forget Bloodshed either. I read all yall comments, listened to Cam on Swagger Jacker and he kinda opened some things up about Jay, no doubt. The question is, can he beef with Jay? This is hip hop. You can not retire with the belt or the thrown. LL didn't let Canibus get away with it. Jay can igg him, and in a "normal world" that would prove he is the bigger man. But this is hip hip people. If you the best, you gotta prove it. straight up. Money or no money. Cam has the credibilty to challenge Jay. Jay needs to answer. I like both artist, and feel Jay is better than Cam overall for now. We'll see how long that last though. Purple Haze was hot and Dipset Anthem is still my favorite. If Jay doesn't answer, that would be a big disappointment because we all know the if Big was being called out, he would stand up (R.I.P). Just for the record Cam jacked a few lines also. Jay needs to get back to the street with some heat. I feel if he is the best, then he can come back to the street and represent. If not, maybe he is a swagger jacker. NY has no King right now. Who's gonna pull the sword out the stone? Cam? Jay? Or maybe someone else. The south is bangin right now. Where we at NY? STAND UP!! Step in the ring Jay. You to young to retire. Don't go out like that homie.

All i got to say is,I cant be mad at Jay Z this nigga wit Beyonce, if i was wit here i been fuckin that pussy up every day, I will suck tha fuck out dem tittys, get some anal sex gonna on, get some head and fuck her until she bleeds.
Sorry Jay

All i got to say is,I cant be mad at Jay Z this nigg* wit Beyonce, if i was wit here i been fuc*in that pus$y up every day, I will su*k tha fu*k out dem tit*ys, get some an*l s*x gonna on, get some he*d and fuc* her until she ble*ds.
Sorry Jay

All i got to say is,I cant be mad at Jay Z this nigg* wit Beyonce, if i was wit here i been fuc*in that pus$y up every day, I will su*k tha fu*k out dem tit*ys, get some an*l s*x gonna on, get some he*d and fuc* her until she ble*ds.
Sorry Jay

I love beyonce

okay i ain't got time to be witing all dis shyt...but just let me say dis quick shyt rite fast.....FUK CAM BITCH MADE ASS...DA LADY IS GARBAGE OKAY?...I DON'T KNOW Y MUTHAFUCKAS ON DAT GIRL SHYT...BECUZ OF DA SHYT SHE SAID ABOUT MY NIGGA JAY.....I DON'T UNDERSTAND U CLOWNS......LISTEN TO MUSIK DON'T SKIM THRU IT!!!!

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why man...
come on..
okay
jay always said... you made it a hot line i made it a hot song..... ( some like that) daaaamned
he really did

jigga jigga that nigga jigga

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why man...
come on..
okay
jay always said... you made it a hot line i made it a hot song..... ( some like that) daaaamned
he really did

jigga jigga that nigga jigga

Ah man after what happend with Jim Jones and Cam not having his back better yet running away in a complete different direction JAY got enough material right there to destroy that Nigga

listen man and listen good all........... this aint nothing. who is dipset i mean for real think about it.what the f#ck.last time i saw camron on tv.this fool was yakin crazy bout how he tryna make money off mix tapes to.NUGGA PLEASE. if you gotta deal and ya crew spit fire, why the fuck is you selln' underground sh!t?wasnt camron career already dead once before he signed wit dame?honestly cam shouldnt even be allowed to stand around the booth while juelz is in it.juelz is better than cam.dont even mention the third cat.he aint even a artist.i hate it when nugga jump on cam nuts for this.so many cats say "yeah cam killed it".they say that until jay unleash hells fury on his azz.then theyll be saying yo cam got killed.all you cam lovers is really jumpship nuggas and you know it.jay is gonna drop and when he do make sure you stay on that boat.