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April 18, 2006Great Moments in Fuddy-Duddy HistoryRecently Kenny Drew Jr., son of the jazz piano legend and a noted player in his own right, published an anti hip-hop diatribe that sparked a monster thread in the allaboutjazz.com forums. Amid the avalanche of jazzbo fuddy-duddyism there's also been some great discussion, as more level-headed folks entered the fray.. I've learned a lot by reading through it. I was reminded of that thread today, while reading this history of the Stradivarius violins.. it starts out describing violin's early days in the 1500s, when it turns out the instrument was getting dissed much like the turntable-as-instrument is dissed today:
If you check some of the anti-turntable remarks in that thread, the resemblance is uncanny. Posted by jsmooth995 at April 18, 2006 1:13 AMComments
yeesh, some of those people certainly do not help with the jazz snobs stereotype. Posted by: missruckus at April 18, 2006 4:39 AM I'm with KDJunior in the first 4 paragraphs--most contemporary black popular music is disposable and I don't think there is any denying that--but then he loses me with his indictment of the "musical quality of this bullshit." But he's understandably frustrated and it reads like a cathartic exercise. Posted by: jb at April 18, 2006 10:01 AM I wonder if the Strad was also looked down upon because of its association with the Roma (gypsies). If so, there's even more similarities to turntables & hip hop in general than we might like to admit. At this point I'm just wondering how the conversation will sound when we explain to our granchildren how "our" music was so much better than the "trash" they'll be listening to. ;) Posted by: kami at April 18, 2006 10:27 AM At the very least, one has to accept the turntable as a percussion instrument. How is stratching any less "music" than playing a cymbal? Posted by: Joe Grossberg at April 18, 2006 2:00 PM I know this is out of the blue but there is a song I need to know who sings it. Email me if you know. "Its after midnight playas be creepin waitin on my boo to come and give me some, call him on his cell phone aint gettin no answer.... Posted by: Kinky at April 18, 2006 2:59 PM To be honest, I found Drew's comments to be funny, not offensive. I don't expect anything less from the older generations-- hey, we are going to HATE our children's music. I already hate a lot of what my younger siblings listen to, and I especially get mad when some hot new producer uses a classic old-school rap track as a "remix". But then I remember that Mom & Dad hated the fact that I liked RUn-DMC and the Beastie Boys. And I laugh, because it's funny to hear curmudgeons saying "In MY day it was different!" Plus, you gotta admit Drew's got a few points, using the examples he cites. Where he's wrong, of course, it that he doesn't mention Outkast, Common, Native Tongues, the whole Public Enemy era, or any other rappers of style and intelligence. Posted by: james at April 18, 2006 3:59 PM Oh, and of course he didn't mention The Roots, either. Posted by: james at April 18, 2006 4:01 PM from a hick who found jazz at about six...and then hiphop somewhere at around 12...and you know, people say jazz is dead? Well if the fuddyduddy jazzbos want to bring any attention or money back to the art (that developed into hiphop) other than what norah-only-good-on-remixes-jones can bring them/us, then they/we out'ta start showing the love to hiphop that hiphop gives to jazz. Posted by: CitiZEN EMily at April 20, 2006 6:27 PM |
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