The False Binary of New York vs. South

For those that don't know, the Rakim Allah quote that applies here:

"It ain't where ya from, it's where ya at."

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Yo, but down south dudes are corny. The clipse ain't really reppin all like that. They've just been able to capitalize on the popularity of crime rap. Give me one lyrical quotable.
See? Nothing.

For Lyrical quotable see Rakim again.

"I break to meditate, not a peep, concentrate
till I'm deep awake, but not asleep"

Hard to fuck wif.

Or see Nasir Jones

"I hung around the older crews while they sling smack to dingbats They spoke of Fat Cat, that nigga's name made bell rings, black
Some fiends scream, about Supreme Team, a Jamaica Queens thing Uptown was Alpo, son, heard he was kingpin"

these down south dudes rhyming only two words per line (at best) are far below average.

and the neptunes sound is nothing near close to primo's come clean.
the ill seasoning -- I mean the feedback -- that comes with sampled drums is nothing like the bubblegum shit that comes out of a neptunes sampler.

More later...

-Black People

I think Clipse have tons of quotables, just not the same type as Rakim cuz their choice of subject matter is, uhhh, generally deplorable. Rakim's quotables deliver both style and substance, with the clipse I usually hate what they're saying but love the way they say it.

I know what you're tryin to say, smooth. But bottom line is just doesn't stack up.

Down south dudes ain't got it.

Even if look at the kings of crime rap: Biggie and Jay-Z the rhymes are still there.

Down south bullshit is simplistic and they pump the popularity so that whiteys can say "this is the music of black people. Hell, chris parnel and Natalie portman can rap better than that. Shit, eminem's better than all of those guys and he's white."

this is the way white people steal from us

"So many years ideas from us been stolen. To talk is somber, silence is golden." - Doug E. Fresh (From The Get Fresh Crew) on Play This Only At Night.

When they pump this simplistic abc-ass bullshit it tries to make black people seem uncreative.

You'll always hear about down south dumb-ass shit but you'll never here the dope new poetry from guys like Yeshua (we bee foolish -brooklyn)

Smooth I know how some of you dudes are and you wanna seem like you don't discriminate and you wanna show love to all you brothers (assuming you are black smooth) and not use music as another dividing force.

I feel you on that.

I mean if I'm driving down I-95 and the cops are whooppin on the clipse's ass I'm jumping out and we rumbling the punk police to the death. same thing if it was master p.

But we playin' keepin it real time.
and when you got that kinda love for your brothers you always keep it real wit' him

so when your brother got a pair wack sneakers on, you gotta tell him.

down south urban pop -- I refuse to call it hiphop. In fact, I wish we could all institute the labeling of this new form of music as urban pop. then that way, we would have a little less of these debates about what is dope, wack, real, etc. etc. etc. -- oh but like I was sayin, down south urban pop is the pair of wack sneakers that your brother lunched on in an occasional lapse in judgement.

you gotta call it like you see it.
False fairness is only gonna hurt the future.
I know I don't wanna see another clipse album or some kids rappin like them.

-Black People

Well said Jay.

Yo, I don't know what that link is associated with my name. goes to some dance pop shit.
You might wanna fix that smooth.

yall need to quit hatin on the south because the south is were its at. Whats hannin

Yo, Smooth what is that shit you got linked to my name? Fix that. If that's one of you dudes no offense.

I'm NOT Mounir.
Dude is way older than me.

-Black People

Poor DFB....caught up in the hate that should be reserved for just D4L.

Now Jay, sure there's some cross over and gray area, but isn't the argument that the sound changes as the geography changes legit?

It's not just wack vs dope. Let me guess...as a NY'er, you don't care for Juvenile's albums. Now, I have a cousin who loves southern music and has been trying to sell me on the merits of Juve for years. I respect Juve and won't say his stuff is wack, but I don't like it. No, no, no.

The difference in NY and The South is not the artists, as much as it is the fans. Can a rapper with a NY flow sell 100,000 copies locally like Lil Flip. Nope. I have more to say on that, but I'll save it for my blog

no, actually I've always liked juvenile. :) and pretty much anything mannie fresh was involved in.

I agree with Jay. I generally don't care for southern rap, cause, as Jay says, it doesn't fit my particular tastes. But I have respect for a ton of southern rappers, because I recognize that they make excellent music for that style. People like 8 ball and MJG, UGK, Lil Wayne, Ludacris, etc. I respect them as artists even though I'm not into their music. And it's not like NY is producing much that's particularly interesting right now anyway.

Having said that, what the hell are you listening to Hot 97 for in the first place? They've been wack for over 10 years.

I have made an honest attempt at ignoring the foolishness that NY hip hip hop heads are spewing. Im from the south...and I dont like D4L. I dont like Laffy Taffy either. Thats a matter of taste...like my man Smooth stated.
NY mc's dont have a monopoly on hot shit..dude. We appreciate NY for birthing our very way of life (hip hop) evolved and everyone has addd something to it...and to discredit what a particular region has contributed is -ignant- and close minded.
Scarface,Andre, Cee-lo,T.I. and several others are respected in this game because of their lyrical content and their translation of the Southern Experience. Is it correct to say that these niggas are not lyrically amongst the best artist to make hip hop music period.
When you niggas talk about real NY shit..you're talking about a fucking era...80's 90's...that we all loved....Them niggas inspired us all...but stop trying to compare todays music to them lyrical legends....Thats the equivalent of saying My big brother was harder than yours..They were all of our big brothers.....FUCKERS

First off, I'm from TN and I abhor "snap" and awful hip-hop in general. But for anyone who wants to bash southern rap and claim that NY is so much more advanced, I've got one word, two syllables for you:

Dipset.

As long as people in Harlem, NY and wherever are giving those clowns props, the argument is invalid. I mean seriously, "Wet Wipes" is that much superior to "Laffy Taffy"?

Smooth, why was there a link to my name?

-Black People

That's weird, if you didn't put it there.. some kind of glitch in the matrix..

Yo, I'm a tell all you dudes something. You might not wanna hear it. But I sense that these debates digress and tend to spiral off subject.

So yo, the down south, east coast/west coast battle is long overdue.

Obviously, it can be all peace. (and as far as they are all of our brothers, that's not really tru. cuz you can see the influence from rakim to nas to ali vegas.

I don't know who the fuck influenced these down south dudes.

Oaktown 357? Who knows?

However, in the middle of the versace wars, just when the east coast was about to set it on the west coast, we lost the two kings - Biggie and Tupac.

And the fire got stamped out and the battle was deaded. Squashed prematurely.

But it wasn't settled. And in the meantime little down south dudes try to come up and express their little voices and struggles.

So let's stop beating around the bush.

East Coast emcees can take out the whole west coast from e-40 to the game (Peace to the game by the way. His rhymes ain't dope. but he's a straight up and down dude) and down south at the same time.

Here go my team.
AZ
Nas
Rakim
Ali vegas
Rock and Ruck (that's sean price and his partner)

To make sides a little even you can have eminem
(and that's basically all you got)

-Black People

Nas and Rakim? Are you "Black People" smoking bad herb?
Them niggas aint rappers...they legends. You discredit their contribution to the game when you compare them to an M&M.
I love you niggas man...Let me put shit in perspective, son....
Rakim cant write the shit he wrote in the late 80's.
Nasir cant duplicate illmatic...he's tried. He had the greatest producers of his day on that record (check the credits)..and they were all still new an hungry.
It was a great ERA...rap was still about substance not style. NY niggas was teaching us how to be fly.
That day is gone. If you niggas dont get back in the fuckin lab, you're gonna be irrelevant in a few years! I got a team for you.... Your current line up is just as weak as the Knicks.
Papoose (the great NY hope)
Cam'ron (c'mon)
Juelz (whom I dig)
???
Ali Vegas (this was your draft pick)

T.I. just did 522,000 his first week...Do you really have someone on the horizon (including the Rakim project)to put up those kinda numbers?
FUCKERS

MCing.

It's all about rhymes.

Lyrics.

MCing.

I can't let you change the subject.
MCing is about rhymes. Comparing rhyme skills to records sold or guns packed does not equate to rhyme skills.

But you already know that. That's why you always try to deflect the issue. Which is down south dudes can't rhyme.

And since we are still playing keeping it real time, two things:

1) Cut and paste what you think a quotable, upper level rhyming verse from this guy "t.i." (you can't because they never take it to that level)

2) If your life depended on it. Would you really battle t.i. versus nas, rakim allah, or ali vegas?

I hate to have to state the obvious, but in this emcee battle (like true emcee battles) you survive by the complexity of your rhymes.

Not first week soundscans.

Are there any other hiphop heads in the house?

-Black People

one overlooked reason for the south/southwest's dominance is beats. anyway you slice it, pop-rap, whether it be in the form of 50cent or the southern crews, has ridiculously hot beats that the backpacker set in nyc simply can't touch.

southern producers are on the cutting edge, incorporating everything from downtempo electronic sounds, to synths, to sampled layered beats.

with today's short attention spans, kids just check for the hot beat and don't care about simplistic a-b-a-b rhyme schemes (and even lamer subject matter); as long as the beat is bumpin' that's all they're checking.

considering how ahead of the game new york's beats were during the "golden era" -- think bomb squad, diamond d, premier, large professor, pete rock, marley marl, etc. -- the argument can even be made that market superiority and significance is directly correllated to quality production.

lyrically, the south may be in the stone ages but new york ain't exactly holding it down either; aside from the rare exceptions like talib kweli or immortal technique, is there anyone in this galaxy that would consider g-unit or dipset heirs to the legacy of kane or rakim?

and regarding the clipse (who again get hit off with quality neptunes productions): let's face it, they're palooka rappers with limited skills and even more limited subject matter, but at least they're rapping, which is more than most of the grunting buffoons south of the mason-dixon line are doing out these days.

you can't say that southern rappers are corny. scarface, little brother and outkast are from the south and they all rhyme their asses of. i'm a biased new yorker, i pray for kool g rap to go platinum! but i respect good hip hop wherever it's from as long as it's GOOD. It's not that I don't like southern rap it's just that southern rap sucks right now to me. you can't compare the skills of paul wall, mike jones and slim thug to those of scarface bun b and big mike. i don't judge them based on east coast standards, they're not that good based on southern standards. they used to be able to rhyme now they do stuff like make tired ass songs with the same lines for whole verses (that shit should be a sin!)all i want is a wider subject matter and (the magic word) balance

The region dispute is really baseless at this point. 10 years ago a case could be made. But right now, the level of lyricism in hip hop is at an all-time low. T.I. is lyrical, he understands mcing and I respect him as an artist. D4l, DbL or whoever the hell them guys are, do not even matter. They are the new "whoop there it is".

The focus has gone from being 'nice' to being 'rich'. These guys don't respect the craft of mcing. Luda, while not one of my favorites, is nice. He's like a more lyrical, southern version of Busta. Busta rhymes is a poor lyricist, but he has mastered the art of flowing. Jadakiss has a basic flow, but has mastered the delivery of punch-lines. Different MC's bring different things to the game. Unfortunately, none of those artists have the courage or inteligence to rhyme about anything of substance. If they did I think it would bring their lyrics, music and artistry into a whole new realm.

Look at Tupac who wasn't the illest lyricist, but had a flow, and a passionate almost reggae-singer-type delivery when rhyming about the broadest range of topics of almost any artist. IMO, THAT is what seperates him from B.I.G. Pac did the thug shit (hell, he introduced the word into hip-hop) but he talked about so many relevant things that his music has staying power.

I think this same thign will be played out with Nas and Jay as the years pass. Will you wanna hear 'what more can i say?' or 'One Mic' 10 years from now? Which will have any relevance in that time?

This isn't about regions, its about the elements that make an MC dope, and his/her music hot. There are many elements, and they are not exclusive to NY, although at one time you could probably make that argument. Most of the rappers we hear on the radio suck. They are making bad music.

I am an MC, I study this craft and I understand what it means to be nice. I don' have the greatest songs ever written, but I am working on it, and I know without a doubt that I am nice. I understand this shit, I analyze it, I work on it. Most of these cats do not. Check me out on my space.
http://www.myspace.com/57288608

Peace konijn.
Peace big man.

Konijin, you beat me to the punch. Next up I was about to go into the wack sound of urban pop production masquerading as hiphop beats.

Ok, we all agree that them dudes can't rhyme on any upper levels. Cool.

However, I beg to differ with you on the subject of their beats.

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Hello.

My name is Black.
People.

And I'm a Hip-Hop head.

this means I was raised off that planet rock.
RunDmc. Eric B and Rakim. jungle brothers. Dr. Dre. Pete rock and cl smooth. nas. crown rulers. brand nubian to kmd to mf doom.

dope hip hop beats have a formula. The natural progression from listening to hip hop is to go into mad record collecting.
When you start collecting records and you get the records that your favourite hiphop producer used,
you start to respect and love the craft even more.

[side note:the versace wars made having a taste in music obsolete. as long as you liked the guy who rapped about having money, you were cool.]

when you listen to the greats, they are using a formula.

like making kool-aid.
water, sugar, red color. = mmmmmm, bangin' :)

the samples that were used by the greats like Rakim, Pete rock and Premo and the father of the dope beat Marley marl all have something in common.

I don't wanna spill, cuz then mad heads like the 45king, red alert, and countless other producers will have my head.

But I'll give you a hint. Impeach the president (the most popular drum break ever - from Nas' I can), Blind alley (Ain't no Halfsteppin'), and I know you got soul come from a certain...collection.

and the usage of this collection on every classic album from Criminal Minded ('87) to Wu tang Forever ('97) "seasoned" the beats.

Thus giving your beats "flavor".

think of the top five hip-hop beats of all time. keep it real with yourself like your life depended on it.

Say your up for trial or something and you have to pic beats that represent the purest form of hiphop.
What beats would you select?

I bet they will not have come from the period we are in now.
The top beats will have come from the time when they were using the formula.
In turn this formula defined what is a hiphop beat.

Fusions diluted something that was pure.

any attempt at trying to replay your favourite breaks results in a soulless sound.

which is pop music.
and hey that's cool.
what these dudes are doing with these experimental fusions and keyboard shit is urban pop. and I wish them all the best. I hope they make a ton of money. Really.

but it is not what hiphop production is.

the laws were laid down.
and they were clear.
all we have to do is follow them.

-Black People

But Preme is originally from Texas. . .

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My observation is this(i'm from D.C.). Whenever another region besides New York dominates radio and sales in hip-hop, New Yorkers seem to get upset and talk shit about the region as a whole, instead of the individuals who are wack. Like in the early 90's, the west had it on lock, and New Yorkers were sick, so the whole coast got shitted on (i.e. Source Awards). The thing I don't understand is that the focus is always on the bad music. In my opinion the good music outweighs the bad music in all of these situations. If it's coming out the south or the west, the classics outweigh and outsell the bullshit. In the 90's the Deathrow camp put out classic material and produced a few hip-hop legends that we still play and hear about. You don't hear about Domino or Spice 1 anymore, I think the same thing will happen with the south, you won't hear about D4L and Franchise Boyz three years from now, but i'm sure you will still hear about and bump T.I., Luda, Wayne, and Jeezy. The same thing happens in New York, you don't hear about Father MC or Positive K anymore, you only hear about the legends. New Yorkers have to understand that everything goes in cycles in hip-hop. You can't be greedy, it is the south time to eat, so let our brothers and sisters down there live. New York will come up soon. BTW....isn't 50 Cent from New York??? he's been the top selling hip-hop artist for about three years, and "Candy Shop" & "Laffy Taffy" are about the same shit! So I don't understand about the complaints about the south, and no forums and complaints about that cat or even The Dipset. If you look at their lyrics and Franchise Boyz, you will see alot of similarities, Jim Jones is on their album. Post some shit about those cats, G-Unit & The Dipset, they're in your city. They don't get half the complaints on forums that the south does. Why is that??? THEY ARE FROM NY.

man, it's kinda like when the republican party took over everything from the dems. instead of ruling across the board they broke off into factions and started in fighting within their own ranks as evidenced by so many of their current problems..i feel the same thing is happening to hip hop now that it's the dominant party within the music industry. i suppose to some degree the infighting between regions is inevitable. although to the credit of many, and i count myself among them, the ability to look beyond this inclination to battle for regional supremacy and to look and listen to what you think is good music where ever it's from is encouraging...kinda like pussy if it's good you don't care were it came from you gon' build a bridge to it...and that's real!

that man who asked who influenced southern rappers the answer for many if not most would be the same for every one else who grew up in the prime of rakim nas pac and all of the legends because thats who was getting play on the radio @ that time and for the NYC lyricist vs southerlyricist souther rap has lyricist just like newyork folk have rappers who are not great lyricist... Southerners have people like big boi, andre 3000, killer mike, ludacris, (up coming) young dro, bun b? And folk r gonna disagree but you have lyricist with different MC styles yall make it seem if you do not rap like nas with his style then ur not MC but it aint like that

south also got 8 Ball and MJG

I ask myself, how ironic. Reminds me of the same shit that I use to here from eastcoast cats badmouthing the west coast back in the day. And yeah, I'm from the south!

First and foremost I'd like to say that the following is merely an expression of an extremely flexible opinion, for I feel that we are all one in the African Diaspora and the universal commonality of oppressed peoples, therefore I say this with love from NY to CA, from DC to Nigeria.

1. It seems that despite the emergence of several lyrically gifted mc's from below the mason dixon, one thing seems common in southern music, what is played on the radio at least. From what we've heard on the radio it seems that southern music has departed from the traditional standards of carefully crafted lyrics, eloquent and fluid delivery, depth, and most importantly substantive ideologies. Not to say that the only thing that beholden by the great city of NY is socially and politically conscious, instead, that popular southern music has in some ways perpetuated, exagerrated and glorified the very stereotypes which our forefather's were all too often tormented and murdered for.
Southern music is an archetypal representation of corporate (white) america, blantantly exploiting black culture, passing it off to the darkened, down-trodden masses as authentic, or "keepin it real", when in fact it is merely the higly lucratice manifestion of a white supremacist, patriarchal, capitalist fantasy of what being African American means.
However, if one looks deep enough, this is not new, for it is characteristic of the relationship between the oppressor and the oppressed. Of course from the oppressed much is to be gained, i.e. cheap labor, entertainment, and therefore, to soothe the tensions of a cultural and social raping, one must give the oppressed the idea that there nature is of their own so as to perpetuate the give-rape relationship and the productivity of said relationship.
As for me, from NY to FL, anybody referring to our queens as bitches and bragging about the scraps from master's table that most of us will ever have, I say to hell wit em. Cats need to stop playing their part, stand up and be men.
That being said, I sleep on the south but everynow and then they surprise me, i.e. little brother. But for the most part, I ain't feelin most of it...

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lets look at it like this ever since biggie died the east has fell off. the south is now reiging supreme. Yeah yall got the two old farts.... whats that niggas name yeah Jayz and nas and a couple of other unimportant people like j millz papoose murda mook, dont get me wrong i listen to them but they aint comparin to Z-Ro, lil keke, the mixtape messiah, fat pat, scarface, and the best dj alive or dead DJ SCREW. heres one from lil keke
draped up and dripped out know what im talkin bout 3 in the mornin gettin the gat out the stash box

Z-Ro

from soufwest to soufeast its about war not about peace nigga like me im about knockin out teeth know im sayin ill loose your grill a nigga come in down in a coup deville

Southern kids sweat NYC too much, Rap is NYC's genre, and you bite it, you bite our style, you worship what trends we start. I got no problem with anyone listening to rap, but know where its from.

Its like saying I'm a Mexican who listens to Reggaeton, but disses Puerto Ricans. Its stupid.

Don't come to this thread with this surburb bullshit "Hip Hop is universal" "Its our culture too" Shut the fuck up, for real. That's corny and played out.

and yo...I don't care where you from, if your shit is garbage its garbage. I listen to rappers from California, Jersey, Philadeph, Bronx, Washington Heights, down Brooklyn...where ever.

No one is NYC talks about people in the South, most people in NYC don't even know if Lil Wayne is from Dallas or ATL or where ever.

The South is irrevelant to NYC, and it will always be. The trends, the culture, and the world revolves around NYC. This is reality, you should basically give up life if you cant't understand.

New Yorkers only focus on whats in New York and whats going on in the City, its our world, why you mad?

You guys hold no weight, and the only reason why you guys are getting play on BET (LOL @ you niggas watching BET like a buch of girls) is because Jay-Z, Nas and other decided to take a break.

Yo on some serious shit too, when you think of a top 10 of all time...not one country artist comes to mind. Its usually 90% NYC and like 10% Cali.

It seems like its the internet you hear these country ass people complain. They sound worse than backpackers and wiggers, trying to get that "respect" in Hip Hop, when it 'll never be happend. Most people laugh at you clowns.

The reason why Southern Artist stick together is because their cities are in the middle of no where. They live distant from urban life, they lack competiveness and no one battles against each other. So what the fuck? Where you come from? No where...EXACTLY, now you understand.

People don't get booed off stage in the South, country people aren't use to having quality battles, rap enough is good for them.

No one is hating, there is nothing to hate, just because we ignore you and don't take you seriously or give the ammount of respect we usually give to a real nigga, you don't need to cry about it.

Club music is club music, no matter where its from. Girls are going to buy it, and listen to do it, clubs are doing to play it, cause girls want to go to clubs and dance, and where ever there are girls dancing, guys will be there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui7Sny2qn3Y

^ Real talk, probably too real for you.

YOUR CULTURE IS COUNTRY, YOU'RE NOT URBAN, YOU'RE NOT FROM THE CITY, YOU'RE NOT HIP HOP.

Jay-Z's left nut > everyone from the South

Chamillionare rhymes mad slow and retared

Lil Wayne sounds like a girl, his lyrics are corny. He's a black Eminem. Corny whiney bitch voice for the surburb kids to attract.

Yo, its not your place to step up to New York.

Thats no Southern artist say "Fuck New York"

People from the South don't want war with NYC, they'll get murdered.

Thats why the South isn't even on Jersey's level, or Philadephia or Chicago. Don't even compare the South to Cali, cause Cali had the balls to do their own thing.

This is countryfied rap.

LOL "The South" All you motherfuckas live in the middle of no where, with no cities, that you have to rep a WHOLE region. You can't even rep a city.

You guys hold no weight or status.

Get off of New York's dick.

the problem is that southern niggas expect us to jump on their dicks because they've been dickridin us for years (hate it or love it but its true). most niggas in ny dont give a fuck about the south. why? cuz yall niggas is thousands of fuckin miles away!! it seems down south niggas gotta self esteem issue more than anything.

First of all I resprect all opinions on here even though I don't agree with some, so I'm going to try to keep my comments civil. What amazes me is that some not all from the east coast fail to realize that while they consider southern artist like jon, d4l, dem boyz, etc (by all means they don't represent the south as a whole) as garbage so to speak, the east coast has had its share of garbage rappers running the airway. Sean Combs is the main one to come to mind. I've noticed through the years that it's been a notion that southern rappers started this talking about money and bling or what not when it was the whole bad boy clique that started it. Folks are quick to badmouth the south with using rappers like flip, paul wall, slim thug as example but can't seem to recognize southern icons like face, outkast, ugk, 8 ball & mjg, or goodie mob. Bottom line, for every region you have your good and bad rappers. Open up your eyes and recognize that you have booty ass rappers too!

For the comment made about the Black Diaspora, and degrading black women. I love my people with a passion. The black people of the south do as a whole. Folks from other regions need to give the south more credit than this yessa massa mentality they seem to think that we have. It's sickening! Gimme a break! That feeding into the (white) corporate state of mind goes on with black folks in every region of the U.S. including the so called mighty N.Y. Matter of fact, that's all over the globe. I hear alot of rapper's from out of the east coast degrading black women all the time. If one is to speak on issues look at issues to everybody as a whole, not just part of the group from a certain area of the country. Ridiculous!!!

Anyway, I'm not taking anything away from the east coast, west coast, midwest, whatever. I listen to cats from all the region. Don't sit back and stereotype southern rappers based on a few artist and say that southern artist don't have lyrical skillz.

LTFOL at this clown Jose bragging on the N.Y. and ragging on the south. This fool don't even have a mental clue. It's dumb fuckas like him that give New York a bad name. Do me a favor, read a book, what do news, and educate yourself. Do something instead of picking up the mic! Dumb mothafucka! LOL!!!

Jose, you got some issues brother. First of all, that slave mentality runs deep with you. I believe it was one of your own who best phrased it but niggas like you are on the slave ship bragging about who got the better chain. You brag about NYC's contribution to the country and the culture, are you blind you fool? Your culture is no longer yours! Its MTV's and Sony's and BMG's. Your culture is white america newest money maker. So keep bragging about what you give to the world while bitch niggas like you brag about how hard they are while NYC cops still laying you bitches on your backs. If you so hard you little bitch, then fight the real enemy and stop badmouthing other black people who are in the same dam boat. NYC is a nice city and all, but you niggas are prisoners, we all are. That city and most of its residents and political representatives and the people that really matter don't give a fuck about you. You ain't shit, and if NYPD don't wantchya ass around no mo, you getting popped, no questions asked, no news coverage, no investigation, no one cares. Grow the fuck up and stop bickering like a bitch about dumb shit. Hip Hop don't belong to NYC, it don't even belong to black people, its a asset of corporate america now. P.S. Who the fuck are you to say that hip hop belongs to New York? Who are you period? NYPD target practice that's what you are. Shut the fuck up and stop playing ya part house nigga.

man, all u southern niggaz bring up is how yall got some good rappers like out kast and luda but face the facts no matter how many times u bring them up to defend the fact that 95% of artist down there have no true talent of being an MC. whats keeping these cornballs on top is the producing because the rhymes are simple and stupid and it balances out with a dance.And you guys are proud of the the record sales...but real niggaz dont feel that bullshit those sales skyrocketed because of the White man, you niggaz went str8 up pop not hip hop.

first of all, there is more than just outkast and luda. you gotta quit judging southern lyricists from whats on the radio, or what you here everday. we have are lyricist too. listen to scarface, z-ro, chamillionaire, lil wayne, killa mike, bun b. those are some of the best in the south. listen to their old shit. i love and respect New York and all. Espeacially Nas (GREATEST MC). but to those who think were dumb and slow and can't rhyme i got two words for you.
FUCK YOU

I guess when certain people read stuff they catch a case of dyslexia or some shit like that. Yeah, I brought up Outkast. Last time I checked they weren't the only ones that I mentioned. When you read something and can't comprehend what's being conveyed, read that shit again. Trust me, it will help you out. Clique, if the South went pop instead of hip hop, then we're following you niggaz (as you like to put it) lead. Peep this, southern rhymes are simple and stupid, right! Let me paint a picture for you. What do you think them white folks are saying about your shit? But Clique, I'll give you a little credit on smarts, but you seem to have a lack of common sense on certain things. All hip hop sales are prodominately consumed by white folks. Finally, what's a real nigga? You think black folks in New York are the only ones puttin shit down. Last time I checked, while New York was rappin about gum drops and lolly pops, the west coast brought the hard shit to hip hop. I read some where through these comments I'm reading that someone said that the south don't wanna go to war with N.Y., the south will get murdered. LOL. Read that shit again and see how funny that shit sounds (Going of hip hop and by the streets).

"biters, fakers, and rhyme takers..."

its all bout the bay area!! comin out wit cleaner shit than ANYONE. we got md the great, smoov-e, nickatina, dubee, demolition man!!

"any chance i can, ima SHiTONAMAN"- RIP Mac Dre 1970-2004

I'm from florida, so I gotta say somethin, first off I read somewhere on here that someone said that the south is on N.Y. dick, nigga we dont give a fuck about yall niggas. we thank NY mcs for opening the doors for the south, but on your dick? thats crazy. I now i am a fan of ny music but stop hatin because the south runs shit now. yeh we got some cornballs like D4L and DFB, but dont look at them say oh niggas from the south is garbage. we may not be as lyrical as ny but we aiint garbage. and if you fell that way come down here and say that shit, bitch

It seems quite ridiculous to me that you're all fighting over who is better than who, at the end of the day. People are making an effort which is good, what's more important is 'Is what they're saying worth saying and will it live on to make a positive difference in peoples life. There are too many people who are reckless with their 15mins of fame. I say do something worthwhile with it. Just an opinion we're all entitled to one.
coming from the Uk I have to say Southern sounds are what I'm feeling right now. I'm talking about instruamentals, beats......Lyrics are another debate. Everything has it's time!! With Respect!!

why everyone hating on the south jay an biggie was nice why south can't have the have the time to shine east coast don't know how it is down here i they just can't feel the south i know any one from up north couldn't live down here cause it's it's crime this like up north it's not where u from it's where u at

You cats that bad mouth 40 water(E-40 for you lame ass squares) just dont listen. I can spit some 40 that'll blow your socks off but hey, why should you be allowed to enjoy genuine spit if you're a natural born hater. the man is the greatest spitter of all time and is top 5 overall, dead or alive. now, if your in to straight 100% conscientious rap, he may not be your bag although he has spit a plethora of meaningful raps in his time(he's not one dimensional). but if your comparing him to the likes of a jay-z or biggie, he stands toe to toe(i'd say he's way better, but for the sake of argumentlets compare)with those cats and if you knew e-40's history you would see how much influence he's had on the jiggas and biggie's of the world. like i always say, your favorite rappers an e-40 fan, and at the very least an e-40 imitator, you might as well jump in the boat.
The top 5 west coast artists of all-time include E-40, 2pac, Mac Dre, Ras Kass, and Ice Cube if you need some sort of barometer.

Southern rhymes aren't simple and stupid. You're simple and stupid, and you're missing the point. I'll agree with you that most of these copy cat southern rappers out right now are simple and stupid, bc they are just copying one of the down south rappers who did it before them.

The reason the South blew the hell up was bc it was different then the same old same old NY spitten knowledge bullshit. As far as that goes, if I want to learn something I'll read a book or watch the Discovery channel. I sure as hell don't want a NY rapper to try and teach me sh't.

Down south was hard and had it's own style. Now that they've taken over the whole game it's going to sh't. If the South doesn't keep changing up their game and changing up their music they are going to flop.

Not rhyming like a NY rapper was the whole point of the Southern style hip hop. We were about hot and hard beats, and dudes that were tellin it simple without dancing around the issues. But I will challenge you this... I think Bun B from UGK can rhyme better then most of the cats ya'll are talking about.

well i have reading some of the these articles and my feeling is that them east coast niggaz are trippin for nothing. I really respect the westcoast and the dirty south for they have the best music : oh year. THe east coast have good artist like 50 but the rest is whack.

ur a fuckin idiot its not bout learnin a lesson like u can learn from the discoverey channel or some shit like that but the fact that ny rappers do have deeper meanings in there songs and are way more creative, if u want to argue that then u should listin 2 nas,jay,big l,big pun,papoose n jada kiss , no other assmebly of artist can top those...n i aint even from ny im str8 from chi town

Yo, put y'all money where y'all mouf is.

We gon have a peaceful internet battle.

I'm reppin east coast.

Post lyrics of your man if he nice. (e-50, any wack down souf dude)

Example?

Big Pun -- Super lyrical

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Ay-yo my murderous rap verbal attack is actual fact
Tactical tracks match perfectly with graphical stats
Half a you lack the magical dap of tragical rap
That tackles you back and shackles and laughs at you
That's...the mathematical madness I'm on, the savage, the
strong
The marriage, a bond of havoc and song
This massacre's on as if Picasso laced you
There's lotsa hateful skeletons locked
in the closet of my castle of Grayskull
I'm possum at grade school, that's why I have to debate you
My raps are like Capel, slashin' your facial,
That's how a master degrades you
I'm battlin' Haysoos if he passes through my label
I'm snatchin' his halo
God I pray that you send my father back as an angel
Language is fatal and it's hypnotizin'
I'm only emphasizin', I'm still all about business and enterprisin'
I'm super lyrical, with brain boostin' chemicals
That's used contenicals inside of my mental projectable

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Next?

Black People

Whut? How you want it?

Yo Jay:
This conversation reminds me of the Lord Finesse interview, "How is that we're in NY and they're playin all this country music?" He's absolutely right, sadly you have to thank people like Flex and the evil payola.

mmk, hold em up with the quickness. now im from the south and i understand that alot of you eastcoasties are all about lyrics. thats a must. west coast is all about somebody dying. southern music is all about...putting you in the mood. for us its just our style. now everyone is talking about lyrics, take in from the south Chamillionaire...even tho he is now mainstream, back in the day he was the shit and still is to me. hes mastered flo and punchlines as well as lyrics. you are also forgetting about the MID WEST!!! check out a guy named tech n9ne. he will blow your mind. you also need to take into consideration that southern people arent all into lyrics, we set trends, we are our own people, so while you guys are all stuck on lyrics understand that the 3rd coast has been trying to figure out the other unexplored parts of hip hop. we have been trying to figure out whats missing, because there IS something missing. now on to the next little thing, alot of southern mc's are very lyrical but they choose not to put it on wax, also go forth and explore the magical art of comedy, some guys are just insane and make you laugh, SPM for example, check him out...also i recomend going and checking hispanic artists as well. D4L is stupid DFB should be dead, and other such "laffy taffy on my white tee" groups. whatever...i know im not the best argument, all i can say is im a hip hop head, got love for all artists cuz every artist has their songs and cd's, but listen to rock and metal, broaden your horizons and if you do graffiti, dont get caught. TO THE BAT CAVE.....

...one last thing, you cant compare regions...you end up biased whether you say you are or not and they are complete different styles...and again with the south, watch me set a trend...by saying "bye" like this...duece

sorry...i just thought of something tho....its that someone was talking about how "real" battles were supposed to be about whos more lyrical but you cant say that, did you create hip hop, are you the almighty god of battles? i think not, no disrespect, but some people feel to win a battle is to degrade that other person as much as possible, also you can crack all the jokes you want but people down south dont want to think when they listen to music, if they want something with the complexity of a college exam when theyre only in grade school, they will go to the local library and check out a dictionary tape and listen to that. i feel i would rather listen to something i can relate to than something i have to look up in the dictionary to understand...no plex got respect for the alla yall...much luv, duece

THE SOUTH TREND SETTERS????U TOOK THAT FORM NY U DUMBASS EVERYBODY COPIED NY WHEN WE WAS DOIN OUR THING N NOW THAT THE SOUTH CAME UP EVERYBODY TRYING 2 B LIKE THE SOUTH, DONT GET IT TWISTED , N CHAMILLIONAIR AND TECH R ALRIGHT RAPPERS BUT U CANNOT COMPARE THEM STILL WITH THE BEST OF NY

oh yea i forgot cuz NY did everything...sike...we arent copying...if we were copying NY we would be doing the whole lyrical thing,but were not. you cannot compare regions, it just wont work, theres so many bigons to consider, one being opinions. which you apparently have by saying that you cannot compare any mc's to NYs "best". im southern born and raised and in my opinion NY artists suck, so does yalls music, but i still have respect for what they do. i respect them as artists, low and behold OPINION...dumbass...you are one sided, if you ask NY folks whos better southern artists or eastcoast artists, automatically theyre gonna say eastcoast, but if you ask a 3rd coast wodie were gonna say that southern artists are better. it all depends on how and where you were raised. this is a topic that will NEVER be resolved because not very many people if not any at all, will see eye to eye. it just wont happen. so wut chu really talkin bout boy? dont get shit misconstrued and accept the fact that this whole thing is opinion, no region copied anyone. you just cant be happy that finally the south has our chance to shine. next is probably the midwest, but that time you probably will take this little thing into consideration and try to slander every midwest artist out there and talk down and think that youre still top notch. end result is arguing over the internet is like the special olympics, even if you win, youre still retarded.

and yes, trend setters...but oh, i forgot before the south came along yall were choppin n' screwin shit...and oh yea cuz real battles are fought by whose more lyrical, yet jadakiss to krs 1 are all still doing battles by who can make the other feel the most crunchy...it totally slipped my mind.....

yea ok dick, listin b4 u write another essay to save ur helpless ass. We did start setting trends cuz this rap shit wouldnt be here if it wasnt 4 the NYC so choppin screwin clappin w/e the fuck u wanna call it wouldnt b there, n hence the "grillz"(fronts)chains n ne other accessorie was very first brought up by us n YES U COPIED! now aint nuthin wrong wit that cuz i c NY niggaz rockin dickies like they from calie, i can admit that cuz errybody swagger jacks from the next nigga. N it is A LYRICAL skill to DISS someone in battle its called PUNCHLINES n ny rappers have a tendencay in doin so well with flow as well as being way more creative then southern rappers, and also there ARE MANY RAPPERS FORM THE SOUTH THAT DO TRY 2 B LYRCIAL,FOR EXAMPLE THERES LUDACRIS,SCARFACE,OUTKAST ETC.(the best of the south by far)get ya facts str8 bitch

good lordie, so much hostility...i never said you didnt set trends, i said dats wut the south does, i never said being lyrical had nothing to do with it...so read it all the way before you call me a dick...dick....the south tries to be lyrical, true, but i also said that they choose not to be...once again read all the way buddy. when the homie said lyrical i was talking about how you add an such n' such bar verse...got it butt pirate? i feel i am being outnumbered here cuz i seem to be the only one tellin yall the truth about the south. hip hop does not revolve around NY, dont think it does, and im not saying you think it does. helpless, perhaps...ass, yes i have one...a dick too...im just one for the argument, so dont get all heated over a discussion. and all i leave it at is, opinion..thats all it is...but fact is NY did NOT create hip hop even tho some people give Afrika Bambaata credit for being the godfather, i dont think he is, only because "hip hop" was originated from african poetry...thats all it was...poetry...so give credentials to shakespeare or someone like that...there is no such thing as "real hip hop".

Ysidro, it's mad cool of you to post your thoughts. And much respect to you for doing so.

I really feel where you are coming from. I can see that you are very passionate about what you are writing. And you really mean well. Where are you reppin' in the south?

I wanna share something with you.

Far too often (especially in the hood) debates go on forever without clear lines of communication being established. No one stopping to listen. People just waiting to talk. And at other times, arguments fester because someone may be privy to some info and never had a chance to share it before things spiral out of control. (very sitcomish). In fact, (as I'm sure many of us have seen in the hood) I've seen two muvafuckas start off arguin' about one thing and end up fightin' over somethin' else.

Listen.

This is not about coasts or regions.

It's about the quality of the product.

The product being Hip-Hop music.

Sometimes old people are afraid of the youth, because in some cases the young do eat the old. And information maybe the only thing that the old can cling to.

And in a debate, the old accuse the young of ignorance because the young are uninformed about events that pre-date their birth or whatever's currently popular.

But how can the young know something if they are never told?

I learned one of my most valuable lessons in life from Isaac Hayes.

He said, "Young people have to express themselves."

That's like the truest shit I ever heard.

Now if a young person never battled a tape of Big Daddy Kane's "Set It Off" vs. Rakim Allah's "Lyrics Of Fury", if he never heard these songs, he still must express himself.

But most of these arguments stem from lack of knowledge and communication.

Let me lay everything out for you.

Hip-Hop music (key word MUSIC) is comprised of 3 primary elements: Rhymes, Scratching, and Beats.

True it all started in NY. But WHERE wasn't as important as WHAT.

WHAT did they start?

The first thing they started was diggin in a crate for an old or obscure record (goin to the store and buying one more) finding what is called a "break" -- that is when the singing stops and core of the music rocks for like say five seconds -- making this break repeat by either cutting up a duplicate of the record on a turntable or plugging the break into a sampler creating a beat.

The next thing they did was rhymed over the beat. But to earn the right to rock the mic, your rhymes had to be creative.

You couldn't jump on stage and be off beat. You couldn't grip the mic with ABC-rhymes like "I'm gettin' money. Ain't nuntin' funny. I'm a OG. That's how it be."

An emcee's job was to be creative with his rhymes.
And on the heirarchy of rhymes, the list is somewhat as follows:

1. Complexity (how many words or phrases are you rhyming?)

2. Delivery (how are you saying your rhymes?)

3. Creativity/Originality (are you freakin' what you are doing in a unique way?)

Stuff like this is sorta unspoken. But it is understood. It's more or less sold but never really told. Dig what I'm sayin'?

Now in 86 and 87 when Eric B. and Rakim came out, Rakim kinda single-handedly changed what serious emceeing was all about.

Super-complex, creative rhymes moved to forefront. And by the time Long Live the Kane was released, dope rhyming was forever changed.

Now for most of the folks that you hear screaming East Coast, East Coast this is the vital history that is always kept in mind. This is how it was started and it was the tradition. Every emcee that came out had to show and prove his abilty utter interesting rhymes on the microphone (also called "skills"), from Special Ed to NAS. Just ask The Alkaholiks -- "Used to be about rhymes, all about rhymes..." I Got It Bad Y'all circa '94. and they are straight from Cali.

Most Hip-Hoppers weren't born yesterday and they didn't start banging hip hop when Jay-z came out.

I'd strongly recommend that you take a quick musical vacation into some of the early, more premium hip-hop that preceded the Urban Pop that you defend so passionately. It really is a short history and the journey will be so much fun. Not to mention the new world of music that you'll expose yourself to.

To help you get started, I've come up with a list of the records you should get to help you appreciate this beautiful artform.

(Arranged by order of importance)

1. By Any Means Necessary - BDP
2. Long Live The Kane - Big Daddy Kane
3. Paid in Full - Eric B. & Rakim
4. Follow the Leader - Eric B. & Rakim
5. It Takes A Nation Of Millions to Hold Us Back - Public Enemy
6. Goin Off - Bizmarkie
7. People's Instinctive Travel's - A Tribe Called Quest
8. Enter the 36th Chambers - Wu-Tang Clan
9. Illmatic - NAS
10.Mecca And The Soul Brother - Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth

I'm not saying these are they top ten albums of all time. But purchasing them in this order will help you appreciate what has been come to be known as East Coast or Real Hip-Hop.

Out.

(or Deuce)

-Black People

rhyming has been here before hip hop, and its used in singing so wats ur point? poetry is in all music isnt it?? Hip Hop is very well explained by the nigga above me n thats wat NY started so stfu..n u did say that yall aint lyrical u dumbass think b4 u type "oh yea i forgot cuz NY did everything...sike...we arent copying...if we were copying NY we would be doing the whole lyrical thing," so think b4 u start tlakin out the ass

thank you black people and nycking...kiss my multicultural ass...get off it shit...im jus gonna say one last thing n' i have no more reason to defend anything or prove anything to anyone, whos better...kobe or iverson? neither cuz one plays with skill and one plays with heart..you cant compare...same with everything else....thank you black people n' im bout to go look into this a lil further and its true..i only preach wut i been taught, thank you for understanding. get at it, duece

oh and you asked where im reppin...right now im reppin from Cheyenne, Wyoming..amazing talent out around the midwest check it out...but im from, born, and raised from Texas...so i rep for Texas specifically...holla at cha boy, duece

Hey,i was just browsing around and this forum and it caught my attention. I'm originally from NY, the Brownsville area but i moved down to Texas to attend college and i have to say NYCKING don't be so hard on that Ysidro cat. Yo, he's mad cool for voicing his opinion and you have to understand that Texas is a whole different way of life than NY. Now i understand his argument and yours, but i realized it when i first moved down here, there way hip hop is a little different and what most of these guys were brought up on is alot like Rakim. I have to admit these southern cats are real lyrical and when they freestyle it's COMPLETELY different from when they write. They have some real shit on their minds and these cats are insane. I'm NY 'til i die, but man these cats are really on another level with what they say, I've listened to some of their early hip hop and some of it goes back all the way to the golden days of Afrika and Rakim, and you wouldn't believe it, but they sound alot like them. Two totally different geographic parts and these guys were essentially saying the same thing. I personally credit Ysidro for speaking his mind because this is probably all he knows and it's not far off from the truth more less is it not the truth at all. Also, cats around here are ALWAYS freestyling and any real hip hop heads would love it down here, the people are great and the hip hop culture is alive and well down here. hopefully NYCKING you cut down a little on the homie, no disrespect. much love.

-CYPEK

Yo, my bad, i came back to see if anyone had posted and read over mine and where i said 'it's not far off from the truth more less is it not the truth at all." I meant to say it not far off from the truth more less is it the truth all together. My bad fam, had to come back and correct myself. One

-CYPEK

Ysidro i aint gettin off nuthin ur obviously new 2 the game n u need 2 understand wat ur lisitining 2,wat it really means, n understand where it was originated from. My fault 4 bein hard on the chump but i do get offended over ur arguement which is not tru about Hip Hop. Learn suttin lil nigga..100

figured u wouldnt get off...most bitch niggaz love bein all on my joc...

figured u wouldnt get off...most ignorant niggaz love bein all on my joc...

awww..lil nigga catchin feelinz..i let this baby have his bottle, u want the last word gahead...he mad cuz he got schooled

Wow U Guyz R Crazy Lol.........I Mean Really I Dont Like Any Rapper In Da South But My N.O. Rapperz Bcuz I Feel We Are Da Onli Onez In Da South Not Spittin Dat Bubble Game Shyt......Like I Like Young Jeezy And Sum Of T.I. Shyt But Yo Everybody Else Im Not Really Feelin.....I Got Respect 4 NYc But All Yall MCz Not Good Yo......Lol Like 50 Yo Str8 Hypocrite Nigga Talk Bout Ja Rule Singin On Hiz Songz But He Cum Rite Bak Doin Da Same Shyt.....Son Iz Str8 Garbage 2 Me....Now Jay-z,Biggie,Big-L And Nas Is Sum Of Da Best Dat Did It But Dat Waz Bak Den Yo Lol Like Fa Real......Ive Been Readin Diz Shyt Yo And It Seemz Like Da NY Iz Gettin Kinda Jealous Yo......Im Sayin Personally I Really Dont Give A Fuck.....NY Do Ya Thang Niggaz Not Worried Bout Yall I Mean Yall Had Yall Tyme And Yall Did It Big But Yall Got 2 Step Aside Now....And Niggaz Datz Tryna Make Shyt Now Iz Just Killin Dere Careers.....Like Nas...Nas Iz A Legend But Da Shyt He Cummin Out Wit Now Iz Jus Ridiculous....He Pushin Hiz Status Down Everytime He Open Hiz Mouth.....I Like Jada And Shyt But He Not Sellin At All....I Dont Thynk Da World Iz Feelin Da NY NoMo Yo....And Papoose Iz Aight But He Screamz In Da Mic 2 Much Which Makez Him Irratatin 2 Listen 2.....And How Can Yall Niggaz Say Lil Wayne Iz Garbage???? Niggaz Dat Say Dat Shyt Prolly Jus Listen 2 Da Shyt Dey Hear On Da Radio And Not Dat Real Shyt.....But Hiz Shyt On Da Radio Styll Cold So Im Styll Not Seein Watz Goin On On Wit Diz Weezy Iz Garbage Shyt.....Dawg My Son Lyricz Is Juss Killa Man Listen 2 Dedication And Dedication2 Yall Go Kno Watz Up Wit My Son.....And My Niggaz In Da N.O. Are Lyrical....If Dey Would Have Neva Killed Soulja Slim Yall Would Have Been On My Son Dick Cuz He Spit Da Realest Shyt Ull Eva Hear But Dey Wasant Ready 4 Such A G So Dey Killed Him.....And B.G. And Juvenile Lyricz Iz Killa 2 Yall Niggaz Dont Listen 2 Dat Shyt Doe Cuz All Yall Niggaz Kno Iz NYC....And Stop Thynkin Niggaz Jackin Yall Swagga Man...Yo Nobody Wantz 2 B Like Yall Lol....Niggaz Doin Dey Thang And Yall Doin Yall Thang.....My Nigga Weezy Said Niggaz Cum Up 2 Him All Da Tyme Askin Him Da Battle And Shyt Lol.....My Son Said Da Fuck Juss Cuz Im 4rm Da South And I Dont Brag About My Flowin Man I Got Diz Yall Niggaz Thynk Yall Fuckin Wit Me? Lol Niggaz Not Fuckin Wit Wayne Rite Na Yo My Son Holdin It Down So Fuck Off Wit Dat NYC Shyt My Nigga Got Da Rap Game In A Chokehold And He Aint Lettin Go Ya Heard Me?Fuckoff Loserz Lol........

first off get off lil waynes dick,seriously u sound like a faggot. another thing is.. yea the south is hot, n like i said i give props 2 the south niggaz that aint contributing 2 all this garbage bout whos got more money, whos makin sells?????i mean thats wat the south is praisin,i mean it's always been here but now its more then ever n yall got no creativity. u sayin nas wac now???u must b stupid cuz he doin real talk wit his album commin out "hip hop is dead" i belive its called. n basically its self explanitory 2 bad yall niggaz dont realize that the hip hop u love so much is gettin blown away by u snappin fingaz,party pop muzic mothafuckaz.n nas mite not b as good as he used 2 b but most of the greats arent either no matter wat coast they from. N u aint heard right bout the swagger jacker did u? cuz the point that was proven is where the essence and style of hip hop started n like i say whether u niggaz like it or not we started it. n lil wayne...plzzzzzzz he aint all that i put my money on nas over him ne day in a battle

Nigga I Aint On Hiz Dick But Real Recognize Real And Da Man A Beast Aint No Dick Ridin.....Niggaz Quick 2 Scream Dick Ridin Wen A Nigga Givin Respect 2 Were Respect Iz Due.....And Do U Listen 2 Wayne? If U Dont How Can U Have An Argument Dat Hes Garbage? I Listen 2 Everybody B4 I Judge Em.....And Dat Snap Ya Fingaz Shyt Like I Said I Dont Listen 2 Dat Shyt At All....Wayne Iz Da Realest 2 Hip Hop Rite Now And U Cant Say Im Lyin....No One Iz On Hiz Level Lyrically Rite Now.....And U Talk About Nas He Made Hiself Look Stupid By Signing Wit Jay-Z.....All Dat Shyt He Waz Sayin He Go Bak And Sign Wit Da Dude.....Jigga Iz My Fav Of All Tyme And 1 Of Da Smartest Niggaz 2 Do It....Dey Said Nas Won Da Battle But Jigga Won Da War......Nas Wasant Makin No Money So He Signed Wit Jay-Z And Niggaz Cant Tell Me Diff......But I Aint Trippin Son Itz Good We All Doin Us Yo.....Bout Da Swagga Shyt I Really Dont Care I Kno We Start Our On Shyt In Da N.O. So Itz Wateva Fool Holla......

U Krazy Son Lol Yall Dont Listen 2 Wayne Datz Y Yall Thynk Dat Shyt.....And Niggaz Quick 2 Scream Dick Ridin Wen A Nigga Givin Respect Were Respect Iz Due.....Nigga Grow Up On Dat Faggot Shyt I Mean Cum On Big Dawg......Weezy Iz Da Realest 2 Hip Hop Rite Na Yo And U Cant Say Im Lyin....And Dat Snap Ya Fingaz Shyt Like I Said I Dont Listen 2 Dat Shyt At All....Itz Not Rap Yo Itz Jus Suttin 2 Sell And Make Money....I Dont Listen 2 Texas Rap Etha Dey Rap About Da Same Shyt Yo....Candy Paint And Grillz All Dat Bullshyt....Im Strictly N.O. Wen It Cumz 2 Listening 2 Rap In Da South....But Like I Said Man Everybody Doin Dem Ny Iz Not Az Strong But Dey Still Doin Dem....And Wen It Cum 2 Dat Swagga Shyt I Really Dont Care Cuz I Kno We On Our
On Shyt Down Here And I Aint Jackin No Style 4rm NY So Itz Wateva Son....But Do Yall Thang And We Go Do Ourz....Holla Fool....

like i said dogz,i dunno how many times i fuckin said this but pay attention u slo muthafuckaz...I GIVE PROPS 2 THE SOUTH WE KNO YALL HOT, GOOD EAT NIGGAZ!but dont get it twisted cuz lil wayne n all of them niggaz was on that cornball shit, n now he think hes a great rapper? bullshit name the elements that make him a great artist n prove it.. i dotn care how much n he sold, or how deep he think he is now the dude is fucked up in his head n is a legend n his own mind n yea i heard his shit i dont got a prob wit him but he aint all that,he shouldnt even b mentioned with nas or big l they way out his league n ne way if u wanna argue on that im 4 it. n just look at ur slang SON thnx 4 proven my point u SWAGGER JACKER i dont care liek isaid b4 errybody copies but recognice where it comes from SON

I Hear Ya Bruh Itz Wateva Doe Lol Niggaz Thynk Dey Kno Everythang Bout Diz Shyt Niggaz Really Dont Kno Shyt But Swagger Jacker Na Not Me But Call Me Wat U Want I Kno Were I Get It 4rm And It Wasant 4rm NY......Lol And How Da Fuck Yall Jus Go Say Yall Started Da Shyt? Lol Niggaz Been Sayin It But Like I Said U Can Have Dat Doe Son Itz Wateva Lol........

thats wat i call an ignorant nigga ^

Two things, "N.O. Bound".

1st) If you are thinking that Lil Wayne is nice. It's only because the bulk of his better material was written by an East Coast Brother from Philly by the name of Gilly the Kid. And if he has gotten nice on his own, please believe it was under the tutelage of an East Coast cat.

2nd) As mentioned before, sometimes it appears as if you guys miss the point. Emceeing is about lyrics. Bearing this in mind, please post what you think a quotable verse is from one of the down south dudes that you support so strongly.

The ball's in your court.

Proceed...

Oh and as an example here's a verse from a true heavyweight East Coast Canon, AZ:

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Flow if a niggas holding my clothing'll get you open I'm toasting in bitches posting approaching wit mixed emotions
And ready like military I'm varied like Ben and Jerry's Comparing me to him is scary I'm leery as cemeteries
And losing is not inside me stay moving from paparazzi I'm proving the angels got me, I'm cool but my game is cocky
And money can never make me, my guns they don't come wit safeties I hung wit the ones that's crazy I come from the front of Macy's
Shopping and dropping eighties show stopping wit proper ladies I'm hearing a lot of maybe's but nigga it's hot as AZ
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Your turn...

-Black People

First of all. I am from the south. I am a producer and i like music period. New York is the music mecca as far as where the business is being held. But the talent pool is now coming from new regions because all of these smart executives realiz what a person said earlier...that New York people are only concerned with New York and nothing fresh can possibly come out of this type of envirnment.. The key to success in the music biz is to keep it fresh. I live in Muscle Shoals Alabama there is absolutey nothing happening here as far as music now....This used to be one of the music capitals of the world (Aretha Franklin, Otis Redding, Johnnie Taylor, The Almond Bros, so many more do your research).... now its nothing left here but memories because they got so concieted and did not move with the times. So you can name off records of the past all you want just like alot of other cities, that can be your claim to fame but that is not going to change what I think, it's not going to change what the executives in New York think, maybe if You New York cats get smart like a puffy (Young Joc, 8ball MJG), Jermaine Dupree (D4l, Dem Fran) Jay Z (Young Jeezy, Rick Ross).... Maybe Ya'll to will make some money. Ain't nobody worrying about no Ol School records ya'll New People done made. And for real i can't lie. When New York was on fire, keyword was, it wasn't because you were necessarily the most talented it was because people, including myself were amazed by the culture we automatically drawn into it. You guys have exhausted all gimmicks, all publicity stunts (like Gravy claiming to get shot at the radio station but goes ahead with the interview....lol) Good music always wins end the end. We been making good music and now we are on top you guys are cryin'. Face it some of my favorite artist are from NY, but seems like to me most artist from NY want to force sum tough man s**t down our throats, and buy now face the world knows that all that stuff is fake, NY has been exposed. I suggest that you guys go back to the LAB knowing that you guys are actually the underdogs now. Atlanta is King now, Houston too, New York New York big City of dreams pick you game up son. Maybe if you quit sayin son, b , banannas, cray, and everybody sounding like a clone of Funkmaster Flex maybe you will at least be significant again... Peace!

AZ... who the hell is that.... Are you talking about a guy who sold no records with the Firm. That is a fresh verse a like it alot but do you have to understand what makes a record hot.. Sometimes a records needs fast rap sometimes it needs slow rap, it ain't about writing a phat verse I gaurantee that I can go to the hood and a cat can write something that rhymes in a tight way but its just not catchy, it's not something memorable. Young's line about the Snowman (genious). Patty Cake Patty Cake microwave, C'mon the is genious, its catchy, and his flow is what makes it....Anybody who don't like it and says it's wack is still stuck in the Wu-Tang era when it was cool to rap so fast to where nothing really made sense, I hated the shit but I respected the game and hustle because some many others revered it. I am not a hater I am a creator, and if I could have created the D4l s**t i would have too. I personally don't like that fruity loop s**t but it took a good AnR who believed in something that sounded so unique to sign them.. Imagine if you were an AnR and passed on that group. You would feel stupid and probaly would not have the job. The younger generation wants what they want. Hiphop has changed before and its going to change again. Why don't someone from New York be that one to try to come up with something fresh and new that doesn't sound like a highly sampled, gritty SP1200, put a high pitched sped up vocal in the background, jack somebody else's hook, then offer Funk flex $10,000 to play it, claim to get shot and a vast criminal record , and start beef with 50cent, make a sex tape, then become a precher formula... C'mon New York, this formula just ain't working......Nobody is believing that tough man stuff any more. I am not even a gangsta but let any of them so called gangstars lay a hand on me or my child because of something i wrote, it would not be handle on hot97 or on DJ Whookid's mix tape I'll tell you that.. And every real MAN from down south or east coast can feel that. That's how you now that not real s**t. Any peace to those cool NY peeps who are not hating and grinding in the Lab coming up with some new fresh heat and to the NY haters writing about how great they were, you should be in the Lab or having car washes to raise some "payola" to give flex cause you gone need it. Think about this, DJ Kay Slay is a DJ at HOT97 and its taking him a while to get Papoose signed. The kid is OK but nothing about him stands out vocally or lyrically. Just spitting some tough New York Talk. And I bet anyone that this kid does not do well at all because it sounds like DJ Kay Slay is using the formula above that has been and will the akilis heel of NY.

I hear y'all.

I see what y'all bruvas is sayin'.

I really do.

But yo, people from all over the world is reading this.

And they know bullshit when they see it.

You guys are stalling and avoiding the question.

The question and issue is direct, clear and simple.

Show.

Some.

Rhyme.

Skills.

Please.

That's all you gotta do.

You don't have to explain shit.
Put up or...well you know the rest. I don't wanna distract from the issue with internet hostility which is cowardly.

But let's see a verse.

That's all we're saying.

Proceed.

Another example.
Here's a verse from Kool G. Rap

Naw I'm not even gonna do that to y'all. That would be cheatin'.

Sorry to expose y'all like this. But I don't want you guys to miss the point. Otherwise you would've come here without learnin' nuffin.

Outda.

-Black People

Now show the world what skills you claim down south or midwest dudes got.

Thank you.

This is all the proof you need... right here.... I like the young jeezy verse above...... Check this out, for you haters....

HOT 97 PLAYLIST:
06/06/06 06/12/06
*Playlist data always displays a week after actual airing


Hot97 playlist
Rank Title Artist Label

1. Ghetto Story Baby Cham Mad House
2. Snap Yo Fingers Lil Jon f/ E-40 & Sean Paul TVT
3. Ridin' Dirty Chamillionaire f/ Papoose & Jae Millz Universal
4. Holla At Me DJ Khaled Koch
5. It's Going Down Yung Joc Bad Boy
6. Hmm, Hmm Beenie Man Virgin
7. Promiscuous Nelly Furtado f/ Timbaland Interscope/Universal
8. So What Field Mob f/ Ciara Geffen
9. When You're Mad Ne-Yo Def Jam
10. Gimme That Chris Brown Jive/Zomba
11. DJ Play Another Love Song Jaime Foxx f/ Twista J Records
12. Back Like That Ghostface f/ Ne-Yo & Kanye West Def Jam
13. Me & U Cassie Bad Boy
14. Why U Wanna T.I. Atlantic
15. Grill Em J.R. Writer Koch
16. Give It Up To Me Sean Paul Atlantic
17. What You Know T.I. Atlantic
18. Love It Chick Busta Rhymes Flipmode/ Aftermath/ Interscope
19. Kick, Push Lupe Fiasco Atlantic
20. Problems DJ Khaled f/ Beanie Sigel & Jadakiss Koch
21. Lord Give Me A Sign DMX Sony
22. Hustler Muzik Lil' Wayne Universal
23. Crazy Gnarls Barkley Atlantic
24. Get Right Papoose f/ Busta Rhymes Streetsweepers

This is the most popular radio station in New York..probably the world..... Check this playlist out and you tell me.. if you was ignorant had no opinions or biases at all, what would you think looking at this list... The only reasonable conclusion is that right now...right now... the south is on top of hiphop.. period...If you count the rappers there are i think it was 16 or 17...nine of those are southern rappers.. and remember Busta rhymes is on there twice...... Also note that I gauruntee you that most poeple down south have never even heard of papoose, no even cares about ghostface, Who is DJ Khaled, JR Writer (trust me no radio stations playing his stuff other than his home state, Lupe Fiasco (not hot at all..not saying he ain't good cause i haven't heard is album just the single i'm talking about (another one of those ol school sounding New York beat) ...i am not saying he is not good)

What i am explaining to you is you can bet your a** that they would not be playing downsouth cats in New York if it wasn't hot.. you know it is making flex and DJ Kay Slay sick to play that southern heat but they know they have to because if they don't listeners will go elsewhere to listen to it.. My point is that you have your opinion but you seem to be bright so you have to understand that alot of people even people in your city NY, NY... are lovin us right now.. We are ruling you airwaves.... trust me when i say that no New York rapper is ruling our airwaves and no other cities. Check Billboard top40.... we are ruling...com' on...

Young Joc, Chamillionaire, T.I., lil Jon, Lil Scrappy (oh yeah homeboy went platinum) Field Mob, D4l, Dem Franchise Boyz, Ce loo (Gnarls Barkley), Lil wayne, Paul Wall, Rick Ross, Young Jeezy, Bun B(UGK), 8ball MJG, Young Buck, .... Atlanta and Houston has taken hiphop over as far as the artist. We just le New York write the checks and that only because yall have the best office space available.. The bosses uptown come downsouth for it markee artists now (hiphop)

These are all relevant to the game nooooowwww! Most New York rappers are trying to make comebackes. Mobb Deep, The Lox (actually Jada is probably my favorite rapper....think about it....... This is my point. That nigga can flat out rap ain't no doubt about it.. he just don't make great records...Now think about if that cat would drop that ol school New Sound and get with Timbaland, Scott Storch, DJ Toomp, or even Ryan Leslie (who is from NY but doesn't have that same ol school New York sound that is played out) What has killed New York is that them kid got MPC's and were the best at that by far and they could DJ... where down south we actually played intruments. So early hiphop was done with samples (MPC) because nobody could afford all the high priced equipment to make original music.. And that was the game.. New York cats had it down... So much sampling has been done and recycled that it sooner or later has ran its course.. The game has changed to more oringinal compisitions with real intrumentation because that's what hiphop needed because we were getting lazy (you know the whole Puffy immo remake every song from the 80's...it was hot..but all good things come to and end That's where we come in... Cats who once felt kinda behing the times had to rely on playing instruments because only our distant cousins from New York had samplers... Also we never left our 808 kits and just like bell bottoms it came back (never really left) we just use it in different ways......

So understand what i am telling u, People used to say the RZA was just this awesome producer and i am sure he is but let's see him produce something hot right now. be relevent now... you have to change in this game.. Why do you think Dre is still a hot producer now... He has real.. real music. Not a bunch of karate movie samples, and distorted drums that drown out the rapper. Picture jadakiss on a phat hip hop track with the new flava to it (notD4l style or anything like that but some real southern fried heat) would be incredible.

Like if you produce music and you think just because you from New York and have mastered that New York sound and that's all you can do you won't get paid in this biz...If any New York Producer thinks that I can quickly change your opinion. I am from Alabama and I bet most of you from New York could not beat me producing a track. And of course i am not saying i am better than everybody from new york cause that ain't true, but i am preety damn good and i could show you what i mean by my tracks will have a totally different yet hard vibe to them that even the hardest critics would enjoy... any challengers just post and i'll see it....It is some good talen everywhere just play your position right and get to the back of the bus cause we are riding 1st class right now (jus kiddin') peace out people much luv to all my struggling artist no matter where you from, its where you going that matters....... peace

Yo, peace for typing a lot.

That was mad cool.

Thank you and all of that.

But yo. You are avoiding the issue.

Please. Please. Please.

Post some LYRICS.

Show us.

You sayin' a lot bruva but you ain't sayin nuffin.

Let me bring this thing full circle.

Up north east coast cats, like me, constantly point out that dudes from down south or the midwest or from seatle are corny becuase they're rhymes are corny.

We never said you couldn't get on the radio.
We never said you couldn't sell records.
We never said you ain't got money.
We never said you don't have guns.

All of this shit is irrelevant.

We only said y'all don't have skills on the mic.

Are there any hiphop heads in the house?

And again, here is an example of lyrics.

Black Thought...
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Yo you should see some of these cats that vocalize
They get props from they local guys and try to raise
Speaching through the mic like "Yo I apologize"
They blind and wasn't as wise and fail to realize the com-
Plectual sexual side of the rhyme
When I make love to the mic the crowd respond
Your promoter love the vocal over dub when I control the club
So throw your hands up in the air show your love
We waste not the bangingest beats but make use
The Roots get you open like parachutes
Yo who in the house only deal with hip hop that's authentic?
Back to renovate your state of mind for a minute
It's I, Bad Lieutenant represent fine lye
Delphia empire fifth dynasty
Your third eye couldn't wait for you to relate to what I activate
While the fake spectate
I'm less then immpressive for beyond stressin'
And battle as a reveloutionary adolescent
But now in the present with fake masters of ceremonies yo that's phoney
You'll get capped with colonial force that of a cannon
Examinin the compact disc to start rammin'
To put the diagram in effect and get fly
On immature MC's who try
Wake 'em up outta they High School High

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Please defend your position by proving us wrong and showing us someone's lyrics from down south that are worth mentioning.

Thank you.

-Black People

i dunno y u southern dudes is buggin WE GAVE YALL PROPS, WE KNO YALL IS ON TOP RIGHT NOW GOOD 4 U CUZ LIKE NAS SAID U NIGGAZ KILLED HIP HOP WITH ALL THAT FLASHY JEWLERY N MONEY N HOW MANY SELLS U COULD MAKE...NO ONE GIVES A FUCK THO there is no true meaning 2 that garbage, like this nigga above me said...PUT A PHAT VERSE stop talkin shit we already kno, we already figured out that they play ur bullshit on the radio its mad annoyin...here proof that NY will never die my man Big L was puttin it down b4 he died heres his phat verse

"dangerzone"-BigL
The microphone is through when this rap legend grab it
Sendin poems to have them faggots diggin hoes like reverand swaggart
Ls the nigga that crime follows
Im hittin fine models and stabbin punks with broken wine bottles
I beat chumps til they head splits, then break em like breadsticks
I sex chicks, Ill even fuck a dead bitch
Always sprayin tecs, because I be stayin vexed
Some nigga named dex, was in the projects layin threats
I jumped out the lincoln, left him stinkin
Put his brains in the street
Now you can see what he was just thinkin
Im chokin enemies til they start turnin pale
Satan said Im learnin well, big ls gonna burn in hell
Front and get scarred cause your rap style aint even hard
I run with a thievin squad, and none of us believe in god

i dunno y u southern dudes is buggin WE GAVE YALL PROPS, WE KNO YALL IS ON TOP RIGHT NOW GOOD 4 U CUZ LIKE NAS SAID U NIGGAZ KILLED HIP HOP WITH ALL THAT FLASHY JEWLERY N MONEY N HOW MANY SELLS U COULD MAKE...NO ONE GIVES A FUCK THO there is no true meaning 2 that garbage, like this nigga above me said...PUT A PHAT VERSE stop talkin shit we already kno, we already figured out that they play ur bullshit on the radio its mad annoyin...here proof that NY will never die my man Big L was puttin it down b4 he died heres his phat verse

"dangerzone"-BigL
The microphone is through when this rap legend grab it
Sendin poems to have them faggots diggin hoes like reverand swaggart
Ls the nigga that crime follows
Im hittin fine models and stabbin punks with broken wine bottles
I beat chumps til they head splits, then break em like breadsticks
I sex chicks, Ill even fuck a dead bitch
Always sprayin tecs, because I be stayin vexed
Some nigga named dex, was in the projects layin threats
I jumped out the lincoln, left him stinkin
Put his brains in the street
Now you can see what he was just thinkin
Im chokin enemies til they start turnin pale
Satan said Im learnin well, big ls gonna burn in hell
Front and get scarred cause your rap style aint even hard
I run with a thievin squad, and none of us believe in god

Damn,
Mad love to you for posting that Big L. shit. It almost brought a tear to my eye. I always wondered why the absolute BEST dudes had to go like Biggie, Big L and Big Pun and Bruce Lee. It's so many mediocre rhymin' dudes out here that we 'ont need.

Damn.

-Black People

word up son. i would put more up, but that would just put these southern dudes 2 shame. we need more ppl like Black People who appreciate the art form n can c how beautiful hip hop really can b..n ne body goin against this is truly not a fan.
RIP Big L, Biggie, Freaky Tah, 2 pac(ny born), Big pun- the best from nyc
n most importantly RIP HIP HOP...

Yo I hope you guys do not think any of this bulls**t that you have posted even comes close to Biggie's s**t. Come i am from the south and Big is my nigga. He would turn over in his grave knowing yall comparing these cats to him. I'll also admit that these southern guys not quite on Big's level either. I was just about to post wayne, Ti, young Buck, and Rick Ross Lyrics but then i read this.... C'mon...By the way i am black and I am sure that i know more about music than you and take this from me Puff Daddy ruined hiphop for you Niggas, y'all niggas ruined hiphop for NY, because your attitude is so far in the clouds you guys have gotten caught up with, and surpassed by us.. It's funny how no one, i mean no, has disagreed with anything that i have said and i have said alot...... We are NOW HIPHOP KINGS down here right nooooowwwww!!!! i'm not talking about ten or 15 years ago. Yo guys stick to making smack dvd's and we'll stick to making hits..........what hard street credible rapper has gone platinum in the last 3 years..... As for us i can't count..............you know its true. Evidently more poeple aree with me than you,.... check your soundscan...........I'm not gonna even post any lyrics because you guys are crazy ... Puffy started all the flashyness, million dollar videos, cars, and jewels talk, because he couldn't rap and that's all he had to hang his hat on.. C'mon you guys must be youngstars cause you guys obviously don't know hiphop and its evolution. New York no longer dictates what the hiphop community appreciates right now, i i mean right now, you guys are actually a third or fourth tier city as far as the talent pool goes. No one can argue that... that is just a fact... All NY rappers are just trying to make comebackes...

foxy brown
lil kim
mobb deep
nas
camron
method man
dmx
the lox
loon
mase
these were the premeire acts of NY, how did all them fall off. Don't Blame us The only relevant thing NY has done for hip hop is kill some of the best talent in the game. You don't here about that s**t down here.

All of your d**cks must be small because every legit player would would not call...........

T.I., Lil Wayne, BG, Paul Wall, Chamillionaire,

BunB, UGK, 8ball Mjg, 36 mafia (Oscar), Project

Pat, Trina, Trick Daddy, Young Buck, Ludacris,

Mike Jones, Goodie Mob (C-loo (Gnarls Barkley)),

Outkast, Field Mob, Rick Ross, Young Joc, Young

Dro, Lil Scrappy, Lil John, Ying Yang Twins,

David Banner, Nelly, Chingy, Bow Wow, Lil Flip ,

E-40 (hyphy) eeww!

Everybody on here can go platinum right now with the exception of 2 or 3 and they definately can go fold...............Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's sick. And now that i think about it, i don't think NY ever had it like this..............We are making history

Wait ....Wait....RnB....

Jazze Phae, Dallas Austion, Usher (biggest in the game), Ciara, TLC, LA Reid (reppin ATL), Babyface, Cherish, Keyshia Cole, Toni Braxton, i could go on and on........ We are the best in evry genre right now.....period..........................................................................................................period

We even got the damn dances.....

1-2 step
lean wit rock wit it
shoulder lean
motorcycle

We even got more video chicks than you. finer tooo

We got it going on down to da bone down here.......These are just facts i'm speaking, ok fine best rapper of all time is from the east coast.... Biggie. But so what.....Martin Luther King is From down here... dem niggas able to rap and do because our our blood sweat and tears...............So stop hating its about time we got to shine.... And oh boy, we shining like no one has shined since big and pac.. We don't just have one or two platinum act... we got bought 20 who can drop right now and get it. The only New York rapper right now who can say that and only maybe is Buster (and his sales are slow) and really i love buster but deep down them swiss beats are really wack I just like dem cats but i know its garbage. I don't even now if Jay Z could get his shine on right now... Even Hov is riddin our jocks....The onle. only, verses he has gotten on has been with sown south cats...... now explain that....not even with his own roccofellow partners.......... Nas could not shine right now and you know that those are the only hope for NY.... hahahahahaha .... You know its kinda sad when u think about it.... I would be mad and defensive too if my hood fell off like the way Ney York Has... I see why 50cent so mad at NY... He couldn't event get a deal there... Shows how much you guys now there.. New York is not a factor in Hip hop at all. The only thing NY does for hip hop is start trouble at hot97.... yall no i am telling the truth. I think that hip hop is in better hands now because the south won't kill hip hop best talent and start beef the spills into the streets.

This is officially known has the Chittlin' and Waffle Dynasty............

As we speake ... as a testimony of the state of New York hip hop... check out your boy.... drum roll pleaze.......... D M X ......... that's you r boy......... and you say we are ruining hip hop. He talking about beating up a midget now... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is DMX..... see what i mean, but i bet some stupid NY hater thinks this is actually cool.............

a hip hop legend with a reality show..... Swizz beatz on there too!!!!!!.... lol... This is crazy DMX used to be one of my favorites..... see what i mean... this is the state of NY hip hop... the whole state trying to make a comeback.........crazy. I think he needs to be in a rehab clinic....Much love to him though because he is mad talented....................It's just ashamed that he is lletting himself be exploited this way..........Desperate times require desperate measures......

he is now talking to Earl, an old white man talking to him about his daddy. He just got throug talking to two youngs girlsno older than 10 and 12 while they were on ponies..... He keeps saying..... YanowaImean.... reallly fast.....See he is acting like what i was saying earlier... we don't believe no one is that hard and this is they way most New York rappers come off.... I swear this couldn't have happended a a better time......... We know now that this is just a bunch off fluff or just plain crazy.....He's not that tough.. This is why an artist like Kayne West can come out and blow up even though he is kinda wack (good producer though) as a rapper. People just wanna here something different than the norm from NY...... The way DMX act is the same way all the guys from the Smack DVD act... then on the other hand look how chamillionaire acted on the dvd. Field Mob even released a statement apologizing for thier comments..... We want to see real people with real personalities who can rap.......

oh yeah beyonce and destiny's child from houston too! hehe

hahahaha...u didiots r STILL AVOIDING THE QUESTION...DROP A VERSE hip hop means much more then u guys r saying...n u r still arguing bout how mant sells the aouht is makin 4 THE HUNDRETH TIME WE GIVE UNIGGAZ PROPS ...n at a time we had just as many rappers if not WAY MORE that made sells!!!so shut up n we aint tlakin bout rnb thats out of the topic. n so wat if maritn luther king was frm down south Ny had Malcom X??? so stop AVOIDING THE QUESTION ...

DROP A FUCKIN VERSE N WILL C WATS SO GREAT BOUT UR POP MUSIC

ma bad bout the typos.. this is in order
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many*
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talkin*

Again.

Thank you for typing a lot.

You are very worked up over a non issue.

I and everyone that's reading you stall and beat around bush are patiently waiting for you to show us some creative lyrics.

Please.

Anytime now.

And for lyrics defined?

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You couldn't jump on stage and be off beat. You couldn't grip the mic with ABC-rhymes like "I'm gettin' money. Ain't nuntin' funny. I'm a OG. That's how it be."

An emcee's job was to be creative with his rhymes.
And on the heirarchy of rhymes, the list is somewhat as follows:

1. Complexity (how many words or phrases are you rhyming?)

2. Delivery (how are you saying your rhymes?)

3. Creativity/Originality (are you freakin' what you are doing in a unique way?)

Stuff like this is sorta unspoken. But it is understood. It's more or less sold but never really told. Dig what I'm sayin'?

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Oh and also just for clarity, did I just read that you wrote that BigPun was not a dope emcee?
I just wanna make sure we're straight on that.

Then I will know how to categorize you.

Thanks.

-Black People

so like i said stop tlakin bout how many records u sold EEVERYBODY KNOWS!! GOOD 4 YALL WE HAVE BEEN THERE N DONE THAT!!! BUT DROP A VERSE!! N PROVE THE TALENT OF MCING THAT YALL SO-CALLED HAVE!!!

n biggie was a GREAT rapper but yes his skills can b compared n argued over big pun,bigl n so fourth becuz they r just as GREAT. u obviously dont know much bout the game...but if u want 2 make that an issue thats all u, n ur makin urself look mad dumb for sayin so. n also DROP A FUCKIN VERSE. thank u

n Coop how can u even put bow wow,ying yang twins,mike jones, nelly n chingy n this Hip Hop convo. i dont care how much they sold they R GARBAGe n will never b respected n non of those rappers WILL EVER B CONSIDERED A GREAT

since you like gangsta check it......

Lil wayne....

You liable to catch me speedin' up the six, or beatin' up a chick
or standin' over a stove, sweatin', heatin' up a brick
And we keep the hustlin' slick, and got clips like bananas
We twist the bandanas, and spit at niggas with cannons
We ran in habitats with masks and plastic gats
Stormin' through the house, screamin', "Where's this bastard's crack?!!"
I flash the Mack in front of your gal and make her tell
Like, "Slut! Where's the yay, or I'ma pop one in your grill!"
It's Lil Wayne, nigga - blast and bang triggas
Pay with my change, then I'm gon' have to bang niggas
I bag the caine quicker, and sprinkle like rain, nigga
Flood the av quick with the quarters and halves, nigga
If you out, you can find me on the street with the work
If it's a drought, you can find me on the street with the work
Never slip - I empty half a clip deep in your shirt
And put your whole clique deep in the dirt
Smell me?

then i'll give you just some real down south trap musisic ish talking bout hustlin. see everybody can talk tough.... this is not even no where near the best i got

nice. i gotta admit..........................................

Double the pleasures like double the fun
How many licks does it take to the center of a Luda pop double the tounges
Who knows, plus i gotta undress em' caress em' bless em' steady keep em' guessin
If that doesnt impress em' then slower move on to the second lesson
Whoo, pantys droppin, body rockin, magnums poppin
Its 8 cheeks and 4 titties ya'll better hand me somethin
Hey ladies (whoo), on you mark get ready get set go
Wait for hours, in an out the shower, this pimp power, we in control

Luda

lil wayne has already been exposed...thank u gilly the kid for givin him such an east coast style

n another thing its not all bout talkin tuff, there is creativity in it when rappers do so. the rugged style can b expanded. most of those lyrics were played already n have been said b4...that lil wayne verse is nuthin out of the ordinary. 1ts becuz the punclines were weak n played, the flow was catchy,but it lacked creativity with complextiy. thank u 4 tryin, NEXT?

Nigga, I swear, you don't want me to go off
'Cause when I go off, believe, nigga, I'ma show off
Your head definitely gon' get blowed off
I have no conscience at all
I continue to get my roll on
Murder, murder, kill, kill: that's all I know
Hustle 'til mornin' and get the dope, man: that's all I know
I was raised in the streets, bitch - taught that g shit
I was told, nigga (??) knock him off his feet quick
Remember I was seven, put my hands on my first weapon
Daddy taught me how to pop a clip in a Mack-11
Ever since that, I fell in love with guns
Saved my allowance for a month and got me one
My cousin taught me how to shoot a nine, and it was on
Nigga made me feel played, I had to upset his home
Now, if you want drama, I don't hesitate to bring it
I up that AK-47 and start to sling it

BG.. i don't even like this type shit but... do not say that what you have up is better than this... and this nigga got a better flow..

Now see that's just one range of the south. we are versatile... i can now give you some other shit way tighter than this that ain't even gangsta.....................and i will.. ahaahaha ah ahah

When it's on my mind, I'm ready for whatever, nigga
I'ma take this beef straight to another level, nigga
Your sister just got married - I shoot-up her reception, nigga
Whack your clique one by one 'til no one left in it, nigga
Spot the car movin' slow with no lights, tryin' to creep
That's me, and I'm there to tear down the whole street
B.G. don't play no games, I'm 'bout sprayin'
When you see me, all you gon' see is "flucka-flucka-flame!!"
Brains on the ground - yellow tape all around
People sayin', "That had to be a nigga from uptown."
When I'm lose, I'm lose - when I'm strapped, I'ma use it
'Cause I ain't gon' have that in my hand and don't shoot it
I'ma abuse it - bust hollows like Cupid bust arrows
I only put hollow tips in my barrel
You wanna battle - nigga, I'ma bring noise
I got to show ya I'm a original Hot Boy, and a-

(Hook [B.G.])
-gun slinger - consider me a home wrecker
I'm a gun slinger - label me as a dome checker

BG

Feel the wrath of a solja, the Crescent City Jesus
I pack a tre-deuce, got a army bout the size of Babe Ruth
We hit em
Rugged even if it's unplugged for thug lifers
We be the niggas leavin' slugs in ya crime cipher
Got the town locked with underground stock
Around clock workers to serve us
Responsible for many murders
I left your town with all the gold pieces
Shoot the Sheriff to assure my family's convict releases
Payin' witnesses to hold they breath,
Non-cooperation is only death, and no this ain't a phony Tec
I'm in a limo full of blow niggas
But I'm never high cuz a leader gotta be up on his toes nigga
A trail of cops is followin' we start to swallowin' the evidentials
Keep supplier's name confidential
Crooked cops started buckin' at us
Made a turn to a dead end, but froze cuz the cops had us
I grab the Tec and started buckin' back
Cuz I'd rather take half the force out before they pump a slug in Mac
The head shot took me under
I fell on my back, the last scene is his pale face and badge number

BG

See these are just battle raps and kinda like freestyles similar amd better than what you have............And this ain't even what's making us hot right now... its gets much better!!!!

haha that bg shit was wac n if u want battle lyrics ill post those up but heres some REAL MCING

u guys think ur talented ?
top this:
Reakwon

Blade thrower, sword swinga, killa bee ringer
Rocky road roll dark greener
Cream fademas, name your God Ukarema
Shout out Medina, federaloes Noxzema
Me jury cleaner, Million Man March screamers
Rae Cartegna, cut your joint Wolverine
The lonzina, wrapped around the wrist, law seen her
How I got that yo, threw out the macker named Gina
Bust a shot, seen her, it richocheted, tapped Tina
Now I'm out, lampin in Korea with Talima
We moseyin, sweatsuit Adidas, best believe
I got the black heater little joint, probably Moschino
Yo Bobby Robby whattup, Max tried to follow me
Sadaam loungin, clean up collect, like the laundry
It's time yo swerve like the Nike line
Windbreaker Laker throw a jump shot scrape her
Statuary yo floatin that snatch-uary
Aiyyo, blow a hole in your limo, weed pass the dutch

[Verse 1:]
Ya see me I eat sleep shit and talk rap
Ya seen that 98 mercedes on t.v. I bought that
I had some felony charges I fought that
Been sent to no return but still was bought back
Nigga threw some slangs at me woodie I caught that
I punished them lil bitches before they can car jack
Now I'm lookin for they family and pile up the war bat
If I aint a hotboy then what do you call that
Nigga disrespect me I'ma be in all black
Companied by some niggas bout killin' and all that
Me Cory and mercy gettin' dunked on
Ride top down so we let the trucks pause
In the jepp ridin' four deep
I booted up at these nigga claimin' they know me

[Chorus] [Robotic Voice]
You don't want to fuck wit me
Hot, Hot, Hot Boyz
Hot, Hot, Hot Boyz [repeat 2x]

[Verse 2]

Bitch what I'll bust yo ass up
Don't even go there woodie cuz I'm ready to mas up
I heard about the money thats some nice change
For the right price I'll bust the right frame
Why must a nigga try I can't do the right thing
Only God knows what the future might bring
Nigga might be shot, nigga might be triffling
Nigga might survive if he bout that right flame
Whats up that'll stop a nigga from playin'
Sumin like a chopper or a grenade in his hand
Boy look nigga don't play no games no mo
Nigga'll bust ya head if you bang his hoe
Attitude adjustments we all need
Don't call the enforcements nigga call me
I bet cha I'll get them niggas off yo block
I bet cha I'll show them niggas this boy hot

[Chorus]

Alright stop it cuz I done had enough
When it comes to my partners I'm ready to bust
Baby let me get the keys to the roover truck
Man let me get this beef shit over bro
Aint no bit this year I'm from the 'nolia bro
Whats yo beef plan cuz it was told to us
How I'ma be runnin' with these killas and backin' down
How I'ma look in front of my people, like a clown
The G code what we live by and we die by
The book is what we will never abide by
Niggas drive by, gettin loose
Keep'em with each other like a checker board in use
Come in compton or the watts nigga
Up in New York ya keep'em open watch nigga
Foe ya played by a hit or retalion
All fine young black females stallions
Give me the keys to ya car and ya medallion
You far away from ya home yous a alien

Juvenile... see a totally different flow... them niggas you named ain't got no sick flow like this.................cool g rap (that's old school rap) like saying LL cool j is still nice......

[Featuring Raekwon The Chef]
Intro/Chorus: OutKast
Old school players to new school fools
'Kast keep it jumpin like kangaroos
but skew it on the bar-b we ain't tryin to lose
Say 'I be got damnit they done changed the rules'
(repeat 2X)
Verse One: Andre Benjamin
The common denominator, the nigga numerator
Never know who the hater, niggaz cater to your ego
I'm sorry like Atari whose the cousin to Coleco.. Vision
caught a Rico, back on the street like Chico.. DeBarge
he large and got a 'Llac in the garage
Few parts here and there, I declare hard, my lawd
One at Clark, one at Spelman
Both know each other and it's cool, you can tell when
he step off in the party women jump for joy
But all the wild niggaz scheamin they gon' jump the boy
for spittin all that bourgeoise, my watch, my car
I'm a star -- I'd rather be a comet by far -- rrrahhh!
Chorus
Verse Two: Raekwon the Chef
Deliver this through your audio, ghetto mafioso
Grow hydro, then bag it up yo
Price that longevity, suggest make moves
slow take time grow eight, react nine blow
Hydro slide raw like fuck Renaldo
Fly ride though, shit lookin wild dope
then glide yo, flippin the page, I go
Watch five-oh, jump on my meat, ride slow
Watch those, undercovers, cop those, rock those
Glocks blows leave em baggy and collect spot grows
Keep a watch froze, lean on the yacht and wash clothes
Let the chop' blow, bag a half a block plot grows, what?
Chorus
Verse Three: Big Boi
Boi, I bust raps like D-boys bust gats, shit
We the type of people that don't bury the axe
or the hatchet, everytime we see your link we snatch it
Ridin round our hood talkin that dumb shit, your cabbage
is cracked, like plumber's ass, and summer's grass
I been in the game for a minute, seen some suckaz like y'all passin
thinkin you're light skinned, aight then, lil' boy why you frightened?
The Dungeon Family gon' be here nigga so keep writing
I gotta hit The Source, I need my other half a mic
because that _Southerplayalisticadillacmuzik_ was a classic, right!
College Park, East Pointe and Decatur they got my back, so
We gon' keep on jammin and stabbin off in the track, ahh
Think it's time to bungee but buddy we will be back
and I'm fin' to put some D's on the 'Llac, know dat!
Chorus

Outkast.... ain't nothing you put up in hear tighter than this..... and everbody knows that their flow is sick..........You can't win pimpin'

See you gotta think you you say before you say.....the difference with this last post is that not only will it kill what you have lyrically, they flow is sicker, the beat is better, more of a classic, and probably sold more records as well.. I am still on the old shit..................just wait.....If any nigga say this is wack.... they are pure haters and don't love hip hop they just love New York..............

Chorus: Goodie Mob

We peel out sideways (get rich to this)
We do a hundred on the highways (get rich to this)
Thank God for Friday's (get rich to this)
Hey hey hey hey!! (get rich to this)
We peel out sideways (get rich to this)
We do a hundred on the highways (get rich to this)
Thank God for Friday's (get rich to this)
Say say say say!! (get rich to this)

[Backbone]
It'll be all slipp-ery, slick wid it
Automatically ? I'm the shit wid it
I'm psyched out, Sic-Wid-It
like E-40 and The Click wid it
He sucker MC better know about it
I make your girlfriend hoe about it
I make a muh'fucka know about it;
somebody better tell him
Cock it back, hit a lick wid it
Keep it workin drop a brick wid it
Off the block, serve a nig wid it
Whip a brand new whip wid it
Apartment flow, you ain't know?
Look here lil girl it come equipped wid it
She freaky deaky lick her lips wid it
She thick thick wid it
Jump, stump, twist wid it
Make em make em make em scrap wid it
Tear da club up, champagne campaign wid it
Party people do your thang wid it
I get to it y'all;
I get the funds then I split wid it
A natural born money maker nitty-grit wid it
Ha? I get rich y'all

Chorus

[Cee-Lo]
Ha.. boy I done bought D's wid dis
Big bout-it Benz car keys wid dis
Condos in the Cancun summer breeze wid dis
And you know, doin good fo' sho'
I'm gettin rich too hollerin out Calhoun know
Nigga; nickeled and dimed and did dirt for dis
Do a show and sweat up my good shirt for dis
Snap back to toast I'll haveta hurt for dis
So when I get me a lil' bit I'ma wear my shit
and if I lose it, I ain't gon' cry about it
I ain't no dummy god damnit I ain't about to die about it
But fuck wid me though, I'll let a few fly about it
Don't test me boy, because I about it!
So I'm the major money maker, motherfuck these niggaz
Keep yo' eyes on amounts, accounts and some bankers
Get high, get fly, til you get it, gettin by
Don't switch get krunk get drunk get rich

[T-Mo]
From the bottom to the top now it's hot; keepin it heated
People about to see they chasin after cash in the ass
Suckers crash on the blast from the past
Goodie Mo.B. Backbone and OutKast, whatchu think this was, black?
Take your sorry ass watch me blow, turnin my lyrics in the flow
This is how it go, and it go, perfect picture paintin
Million dollar hold in the Cascade, in the shade
Well I'se gon' get paid to dis, and find a wife to dis
I'm bout to cut, like a knife to dis
and find dat, and find dat, top top, we get rich to dis, yeah!

Chorus

[Big Boi]
The Goodie they call me, they wanted a player to bust to this
I'm takin this thang, slow slow motion just can't rush with this
We all in the family, what have we, I think we done found a freak hoe
People all in my wallet hopin to frolic we gon' see hoe
just hold up; you know my pockets swoll up
I'ma let you suck my dick to meet your quota
and you're fine, kinda shorter
But I made this money before you got a Toyota and Explorer
And when I'm off in the mall gettin fresh, I'm gon' ignore ya
Look at the earrings, the gold chains, the diamonds around my neckpiece
The leather suede snake Elizabeth all up on my left B
Hoe look at all these emeralds and these rubies and my gold teeth
Thinkin a nigga spiritual tryin to build but you don't know me
See there's more than meets the ear so we can ball that's if we chose to
Move back I'm droppin the top and yes it's mine and gul it's new too

[Khujo]
Sign yo' grill wid dis
Canary yellow bowlin ball silk drawers wid dis
Crushed velvet diamond cut, y'all get wreck wid dis

[Gipp]
Tonight, Gipp get woozy
Might step outside and might catch me a floozie
Some loozy double-stitched hoochie
Y'all chase records while we chase coochie

[Kuhjo]
The realest Down South hot two, in your face like kabuki
Get krunk, don't be no lame brain top bankhead
Props, I'm prayin wid dis

[Gipp]
Boys on the ave, flood shots to dis
Girls in the club flirt out to dis
State your name baby and get rich to dis

Chorus (to fade)

Goodie Mob......... whewwwwwwww.... damn i'm just now realizing that we was always the s**t..... feel me! we been doing it like this..........................