New MP3: 1988 vs. 1991 Battle for Hip-Hop's Greatest Year

Super dope.
I gotta figure out how to save this file to my harddrive for the future.

Good looking out, Smooth.

Out.

Black People

Cuz,
WTF? Why is that shit in 45rpm? Is it me?

-Black People

BP: Click on 'Powered by Odeo,' then click on 'Download mp3.'

whoa. why so squeaky?

Smooth, repost alert. The shit came up in 45rpms. fast as shit.

-Black People

Good looking out Joe thanks

ooh my bad, i will repair this weekend..

u should allow pics to be displayed for phones.

oh my gosh my life flashed in front of my eyes
bad kitty

DAMM!!! when the hell is the next one???
somebody tell me something, this shit was crazy dope

This is the way it goes.

88 was everything beats and rhymes.

91 (through 93) was insane beats. but the rhymes were a little suspect. that was why in 94 when the god NAS dropped it was the second coming. cause he brought rhymes back to the forefront.

now 97 was lyrics. some of the beats were wack cuz the versace wars had already ended but in 97 we had two things: Canibus and Big Pun.

Along with the early Killa Kam. and all the greats had their rhymes in order by now. AZ, Rakim, Nas, G.Rap (was Roots of Evil around this time?) and Eminem was getting his footing ("Hi kids. Do you like violence?...) but the rhymes was here for hiphop. think of any other era and you'll see that I'm right. Everyone's shit was in order. There was never a time when there were so many dope rhymers rhyming at their peak.

Half-a-mil, Ali Vegas, select members of the Wu (pre-Bobby Digital and the Wu psuedo-breakup) everyone was raw in this year.

so it's 88 got everything. beats and rhymes.

97 got rhymes.

91-93 got the beats

-Black People

i'm french girl. good sound hiphop. represent american music. i listen : rza das efx, mos def, method man rakim and onyx. but the french writte is more good in the hiphop. listen french hiphop, it's very good. big up. sarah

Yo smooth,
What up with Hiphopmusic.com's beatdiggers corner?

Long overdue.

-Black People

Because it is music...
And it is Hip-Hop...

This is HipHopmusic.com

It would only seem right.

why american people don't speak french! in the world, you are not alone! ok i don't know why i'm here but i'm here. give me names of rap hiphop underground for i listen that. thanks for the information. god save the world! big up. sarah of france. (listen soprano,les psychiatres de la rime, or seyfiu) it's hiphop french, and real african french hiphop.

Sarah,
Below you'll find a comment that I wrote on this site for a guy who was trying to learn about hiphop music.

It lists some records that you might wanna get.

Hope you enjoy them.

By the way, Americans ARE alone in the world. They are separated (more like protected) by two huge ponds: The Atlantic Ocean and Pacific Ocean. Appreciating this geography will help you understand American foreign policy as well as the American indifference to the rest of the world. For instance, when the U.S. is at war, it's not felt on this soil because it is not seen. The same can't be said for France, Lebanon, Bosnia. When those countries are at war. The people SEE the war. Not some celebrity's baby or some studio's view on the war.

America is a safehaven. You might wanna consider moving here.

Anyway back to hiphop.

Here are the albums for you.
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Ysidro, it's mad cool of you to post your thoughts. And much respect to you for doing so.

I really feel where you are coming from. I can see that you are very passionate about what you are writing. And you really mean well. Where are you reppin' in the south?

I wanna share something with you.

Far too often (especially in the hood) debates go on forever without clear lines of communication being established. No one stopping to listen. People just waiting to talk. And at other times, arguments fester because someone may be privy to some info and never had a chance to share it before things spiral out of control. (very sitcomish). In fact, (as I'm sure many of us have seen in the hood) I've seen two muvafuckas start off arguin' about one thing and end up fightin' over somethin' else.

Listen.

This is not about coasts or regions.

It's about the quality of the product.

The product being Hip-Hop music.

Sometimes old people are afraid of the youth, because in some cases the young do eat the old. And information maybe the only thing that the old can cling to.

And in a debate, the old accuse the young of ignorance because the young are uninformed about events that pre-date their birth or whatever's currently popular.

But how can the young know something if they are never told?

I learned one of my most valuable lessons in life from Isaac Hayes.

He said, "Young people have to express themselves."

That's like the truest shit I ever heard.

Now if a young person never battled a tape of Big Daddy Kane's "Set It Off" vs. Rakim Allah's "Lyrics Of Fury", if he never heard these songs, he still must express himself.

But most of these arguments stem from lack of knowledge and communication.

Let me lay everything out for you.

Hip-Hop music (key word MUSIC) is comprised of 3 primary elements: Rhymes, Scratching, and Beats.

True it all started in NY. But WHERE wasn't as important as WHAT.

WHAT did they start?

The first thing they started was diggin in a crate for an old or obscure record (goin to the store and buying one more) finding what is called a "break" -- that is when the singing stops and core of the music rocks for like say five seconds -- making this break repeat by either cutting up a duplicate of the record on a turntable or plugging the break into a sampler creating a beat.

The next thing they did was rhymed over the beat. But to earn the right to rock the mic, your rhymes had to be creative.

You couldn't jump on stage and be off beat. You couldn't grip the mic with ABC-rhymes like "I'm gettin' money. Ain't nuntin' funny. I'm a OG. That's how it be."

An emcee's job was to be creative with his rhymes.
And on the heirarchy of rhymes, the list is somewhat as follows:

1. Complexity (how many words or phrases are you rhyming?)

2. Delivery (how are you saying your rhymes?)

3. Creativity/Originality (are you freakin' what you are doing in a unique way?)

Stuff like this is sorta unspoken. But it is understood. It's more or less sold but never really told. Dig what I'm sayin'?

Now in 86 and 87 when Eric B. and Rakim came out, Rakim kinda single-handedly changed what serious emceeing was all about.

Super-complex, creative rhymes moved to forefront. And by the time Long Live the Kane was released, dope rhyming was forever changed.

Now for most of the folks that you hear screaming East Coast, East Coast this is the vital history that is always kept in mind. This is how it was started and it was the tradition. Every emcee that came out had to show and prove his abilty utter interesting rhymes on the microphone (also called "skills"), from Special Ed to NAS. Just ask The Alkaholiks -- "Used to be about rhymes, all about rhymes..." I Got It Bad Y'all circa '94. and they are straight from Cali.

Most Hip-Hoppers weren't born yesterday and they didn't start banging hip hop when Jay-z came out.

I'd strongly recommend that you take a quick musical vacation into some of the early, more premium hip-hop that preceded the Urban Pop that you defend so passionately. It really is a short history and the journey will be so much fun. Not to mention the new world of music that you'll expose yourself to.

To help you get started, I've come up with a list of the records you should get to help you appreciate this beautiful artform.

(Arranged by order of importance)

1. By Any Means Necessary - BDP
2. Long Live The Kane - Big Daddy Kane
3. Paid in Full - Eric B. & Rakim
4. Follow the Leader - Eric B. & Rakim
5. It Takes A Nation Of Millions to Hold Us Back - Public Enemy
6. Goin Off - Bizmarkie
7. People's Instinctive Travel's - A Tribe Called Quest
8. Enter the 36th Chambers - Wu-Tang Clan
9. Illmatic - NAS
10.Mecca And The Soul Brother - Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth

I'm not saying these are they top ten albums of all time. But purchasing them in this order will help you appreciate what has been come to be known as East Coast or Real Hip-Hop.

Out.

(or Deuce)

-Black People

Posted by: Black People at June 28, 2006 12:29 AM

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There you have it.

-Black People

i've all ready been usa (inglewood in los angeles) but for me, america isn't a paradise, you think your are free, but your not. come in france, your wecome in my house, near paris, in suburb.
and for the music, i know rakim, and i think he must be intelligent.
give me your e.mail
(i don't have a e.mail adress, i use my sister's adress e.mail.)
big up. sarah

Here you are...

wildasarus@netzero.net

yo guy, i want you to know dhat i make some hiphop instumental and i rap in the "spirit slam". i have a small studio in my house, i work the sound with cubase. there is a friend with me, she help me for to writte american,but it's not easy because i have a blunt in my hand! ok see you later american black people!

I would be eternally greatful if anyone could tell me what song it is that begins around 14:14 on this??? The lyrics are memorable but I can't remember. The verse begins: "well I'm nimble, and i'm nice like kris kringle"

I am seriously DYING to recall this one...
HELP!!!

West Springfield, Massachusetts man allegedly assumed the false company names Park Place Entertainment, Razor Mountain Records, Starscope Records and Fast Track Financial Services to scheme thousands of dollars from hundreds of people in at least 9 states

Defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Peter Robert Bouchard of West Springfield, Massachusetts, allegedly took the money of many unsuspecting young musicians and promised these bands and artists he would get them live shows, sponsorship and even fame. Attorney General Tom Reilly announced on May 19, 2006 that Bouchard was also arraigned on charges for scheming to steal thousands of dollars from other business clients who had hired him to help them apply for grant money.

Bouchard was indicted April 25 by a Hampden County grand jury on one count each of larceny by scheme over $250 and other related charges including fraud at his arraignment on May 19 in Hampden Superior Court and is next scheduled to appear in court on August 17. More serious charges are also expected to be brought against Bouchard after further investigation.

In addition to stealing thousands of dollars from musicians, Peter Bouchard has also allegedly claimed to be the sole owner and operator of “Fast Track Financial Services”, a firm claiming to be dedicated to helping clients and businesses obtain federal state and foundation grants. Between 2004 and 2006, hundreds of business owners were contacted by Bouchard who offered to help them obtain grants. Bouchard charged a $595 fee and often added more than $1000 in what Bouchard allegedly termed “processing fees.”

Bouchard has been indicted and was arraigned on May 19 on charges that he allegedly took clients' money while providing bogus services and that he never intended to obtain grant money and took no steps with legitimate organizations to obtain the money. After discovering clients would not receive the grant money, the clients were unable to reach Bouchard and contacted police.

There have also been hundreds of complaints from musicians and other performing artists claiming Bouchard took hundreds of dollars promising such services as guaranteed event booking and product sponsorship. The means by which he allegedly took money from these individuals is being investigated because he allegedly told people his name was Ben K., Oliver P., Kris K., and other false names, assuming these names to make his fictitious companies look more established than they were, and after taking their money in payment for these promised services would reveal that his real name was actually Peter Bouchard.

Assistant Attorney General Matthew Shea of AG Reilly's Criminal Bureau is prosecuting the case, which was investigated by State Police assigned to the Attorney General's Office with assistance from the Westfield Police Department.

yo black people where are you! ok i like very much your "list" hiphop song, rakim, pete rock and c.l. smooth are a real hiphop,"underground sound" big up.

merde j'en ai marre de parler americain, mais c'est cool, je me perfectionne en langue etrangere sur fond hiphop. wech les guas, a+
( qui va faire le putain d'effort pour traduire ce texte! surement personne!!!!)

I'm from Philly. But I live and work in L.A.
The list is arranged by order of importance.

By Any Means Necessary from BDP is the very first album that any aspiring Hip-Hop fan should acquire.

-Black People

have you received my e.mail black people? do you know the france? IT4S VERY COOL, the rap in france is very intersting,we have different cultur, there is a lot of african people,there is not a racism in france, it's a good system,there isn't strange story, injustice (mumni abu jamal!) france is free, hiphop is free. come on in france guy, you're welcome. french people like very much rap music, ok see you later....

No I didn't receive it. Resend it. Put your name in the subject.

i'm still getting this @ 45rpm =(

as far as the battle of the years goes, '88 has to win, hands-down. '92 and '94 can even give '91 a run for its money (despite the overpowering presense of "low end" and "de la soul is dead.") if the years were made '87-'88 vs. '91-'92, it might be a closer contest...

we should also remember that some albums affiliated with a particular year overlap, like "long live the kane" which dropped in '88 but whose first two singles were released in nov. and dec. of '87.

anyway you slice it, the dopeness of '88 can't be denied.

To Essence_Smith:
That's Chubb Rock "Caught Up". c-c-c-classic!!

To Konijn:
Yep it was kinda tough to narrow down what came out in what year, since as you point out some tracks were released '87 then the LP came out in '88 with that same track on it (Top Billin' anyone?). But we tried to be strict about the song dropping in the particular year, and only go with that. As it was, there was a whole half a crate I didn't get to for 1988.

For anyone who wants to hear the whole show (at non-chipmunk speed), check nyctrust.com or (i think) click on my name right below here. paz--------monk

yo b, i wanna hear this shit but it sounds like a chipmunk remix?? damn son

N sarah, i doubt there is no racism in france, racism is neverending. No matter where u at, mad pplz still aint gon like u cuz of differences

NY,
click on Monkone's name in red and it'll take you to a page that say's ny trust. click that
and scroll down
you'll see something that reads Jimidrums look underneath it and you'll see the link. click that and boom you got it.

also there is a lord finesse jawn where he play a nice set. you might wanna check that out.

yo for the first time yesterday I heard new york shit by busta rhymes in it's entirety. i guess it's okay that they are rhyming on Diamond D.'s 92 mega classic "I Went For Mines", but the kicker was at the end when he shouted out everybody.

That shit had me hype!

I was like yeah. I felt like he was on these message boards with us arguin' about the real.

Out.

-Black People

Thnx Black, always helpin a brotha out. But i aint gonna front i can't seem to find Monkones name i ended up puttin it 4 search but when i clicked it, it takes me back here...i dunno son im doin this shit wrong i feel stupid, neway u think u can tell me Where 2 click it cuz i aint c it?

NewYork shit was definatly goin back in the dayz 4 me when he was screamin out the Real kings of Hip hop. i hate the rest of the rhyme scheme tho,he definalty coulda done better

I was thinking the same thing about the rhymes. But lately I've been opening my mind a little bit and trying not to complain and be kinda happy about the positive stuff I hear.

Yo, but he was kinda doin the "and shit" type of rhymes that the down south dudes be doing.

but for real fuck all that.

when he was biggin' up everyone I couldn't do nuffin but throw on a big kool aid grin.

and as a beathead to hear him shout out the real producers like Pete rock, marley marl, diamond d. primo and the extra p. -- yo that shit just made know I ain't crazy and I ain't alone in this shit.

ok check the method: right above your very first post on this page you'll see the words "mwon" in red.

click that and you'll be on a black screen that says nyc trust established brooklyn 2004

click that and you should be there.

out.

-Black People

oh yo, i forgot"

the world just witnessed a miracle
you know on the other page where we was warring with them dudes about rhymes and shit?

that cat whose case you jumped on "ysidro" he went ahead and rocked the list of albums I gave him.

he's reformed.

I think these heads can be saved if we come at 'em the right way.

yo, nyc, you gotta head over there and see the new shit the young brother posted.

-Black People

Yup i gotta hand it 2 ya mah nigga Black, he came in here reppin H town music hardbody. i didnt teach him the right way i came in strong an aggressvily so it jus turned into a wrttin battle, me proving important points n him left angry n not much 2 say. But u did it right way he understood how u broke the elements of hip hop for him, the tradiditon. the original, not this club hop, but hip hop.He understands it thats good 4 him cuz u wont catch him bumpin D4l on the freeway, but more respectivly a nice ol skool jam from Nas with rich lyrcis and meaning with smooth beats, now we gotta help the rest of these kids out who 4got wat hip hop used 2 mean or wat it used 2 b

Nah you was right NYC
you balanced it out
that's why I ain't never say nuffin

when we was comin up we had hard uncles, cousins, or brothers or even fathers in our chests who just came home from jail and wouldn't let us be no punks.
i wouldn't trade my experience with them for nothing.

people need balance.

hood grooming is the thing that gave me the advantage in college
everyone else was all book smarts

don't slack up
we need it.
balance is natural.
do you.

when you hit em on the head, I'm a explain it to 'em. then it'll all be clearer to 'em.

but they need that little knock first.

but our work cut out for us.
we got like twenty million more heads to go...

peace.

-Black People

Yup i have to agree, with the balance u need streets smarts and book smarts, shit'll make u intelectual like a motha fucka. Ur pretty much ready 4 the world after ur educated by the streets and what a book has to offer. But it's a damn shame the rest of these kids praise rappers like "rick ross" i eman do u hear these kids in the ross thread? "rick ross defiantly has it" ??? i just dont get it. I wish we could send a bigger message to these stubborn dudes who think that dudes like rick hail as a kingpin to this game. shits fucked up. Atleast one of them got converted, but its just not enuff

Damn what a great recording. Shit is Spectacular.

Yo BlacK,
u think u can help me out by tellin me if there is ne were else i could get dope hip hop like that again?

That's what I'm saying. That's the beauty of it. This was a one and done type of deal. We gotta put pressure on Smooth for them to do part two. Or maybe ask Monk One.

I think his email is on there somewhere (Monk if you reading this, please get on ya job, cuz!).

On that same page, Lord Finesse's set is pretty nice too.

The only other thing I could say is to start a record collection.

I started mine about ten years ago. And I just make CDs for myself with all the classics on 'em.

Soon as I figure out all this internet shit, I'll make a website and put up MP3s. I got all my shit in iTunes now. So it should be a breeze.

But we are more or less in a drought right now until somebody changes the tide.

I'm doing my thing and making beats. I just gotta find an emcee to jump on these tracks, throw some scratching on it and boom - the dope shit is back.

I'm putting out some kinda indie white label single by the end of the year. I gots to do something. Know what I'm saying??

But that's all I can say. Ain't nowhere where you gon' find some dope like in this set.

You know what's crazy tho?

You know the brother Questlove from the Roots (dude with the afro)?
He is a strong DJ in his own right and he used to spin at a small bar/club on Saturdays in Philly. And I'm not talking about before they blew either. He was doing this shit recently.

Spinning nothin but classics. Imagine goin into a club today and dude is spinning It's A Demo by Kool G. Rap
That's how Questlove was puttin it down. So if he is spinning anywhere in NY, you might wanna seek him out.

Oh yeah it's crazy record stores in NY. Call my man Jared at the Sound Library on Avenue A and just ask him who spinnnin classics where or call Fat Beats on 6th and ask them the same thing.

I know you how you feel right now. You kinda fienin'. I know.

Just check into the stuff I mentioned and you a be alright.

Out.

Black People

yo big up on ur info, imma defiantly c wat all that stuffs bout. N if open to meet new fresh mc's fresh off the hood with some dope shit i got this one kid thats maddd talented but he only writes he never got a chance 2 go audio he wanst 2 make sure his shit sounds good cuz when he spits damn that dude's got flow,multis,punchlines,knows how 2 swithc up his style he's good. but u kno, just lettin u kno

Ok Thanks NY,
But I'm on the other side of the map right now. Know what I'm sayin'?

-Black People

yea son, i smell u. just lettin o u kno, but neway lets just c if they make another one of these types of recordings again.

NYCKING: ok I explain you, France accomodates everyone, refugi�s the haitie, Africa..., there is racism cavity, but it is restrain. I think that the americains know only their country, with your money, travel, and after judge!
the leaders of your country (bush) are racist, in France it is impossible that a president is racist, have considering information has the tele one, a French leader badly spoke about the young people of banlieu, and well after that, there was fire in all France! one does not leave jerks us to control and even less racists. the case of mumni abu jamal will never exist in France, America is corrupted! television americaine is dangerous, it makes idiotic the people for better controlling it. the racism is here!! i hope you understand me!

Yeah... the french have it all figured out...there's NO racism in France or anywhere else for that matter...only in the U.S.... oh yeah all Americans are ignorant to world issues and are mindless slaves to capitalism...lets all move to France cause its perfect there, LMAO...

whoelse could it be. NAS

i do not know if what you says is ironic, but if it is the case, I stop you immediately! you did not include/understand I believe the bottom of my thought! cultivate your international ignorance! at home, there is only one race, the human race.continuous to eat your chewing gum guy!it's good,very good,! (meme pas foutu de parler francais espece d'inculte, ici c'est moi qui controle!) (well your arguments!)

ok one closes the debate, it is not the subject here.

who can tell me what this kind of music's name
can i call it hip hop?!

Yes it is Hip Hop.

Call the wack shit Urban Pop.

-Black People

Im from belguim this is not bad!

Im from belguim this is not bad!