Snoop Dogg Weighs in on Imus

oh boy....

this from the same guy who walked out on stage pulling black women wearing dog collars by leashes.

We're talking about ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing sh--, that's trying to get a n---a for his money.

Snoop? Stop helping. Please.

Snoop is right.

But we gotta stop putting pressure on white folks to be non racist.

Let them run wild so we can see thier true colors. That's the only way change is gon' come.

Remember, Imus, Kramer, Jason Wahler, et al. these are just the ones that are caught.

Imagine all the sisters at work last week that had to do deal with white folks savagery. Those incidents went unreported. Imagine all the dirty looks that young bruvas had to endure while they're at work. Think of the elevator side jokes that white folks make in our abscence. Read the subtext in the way the associated press reports their news. Hell look at the terminology used in this article "..barking over a phone" in reference to Snoop as if he's outta control. Caucasians don't respect non-white people.
Think of discomfort they exude when they talk to people of color because they know what's gonna slip out.

Then picture white folks at home at night alone with no cameras and mics. Whaddya think they're saying then?

Let the toubobs run wild 'til the mask slips all the way off.

-Black People

damn it.... more of this shit huh?
damn whoeva said history dont repeat itself is full of shit.
same damn cycle
someone says something offensive
we get mad
they apologize
jesse jackson or al sharpton accept the apology on our behalf (cause we ALWAYS agree with them right?)
they go to raceism rehab
we forget about it
then it happens again a few months later
we repeat the fuckin cycle
some niggas on this site dont give a fuck what jesse or al say and dont forgive and forget (word to black people)

Frankly, i refuse to form any kind of opinion on this issue until I hear Trick Daddy's take on the whole thing. I suggest you all do the same.

Wait!!??? Who in the hell is this Imus character.

I mean seriously, I refuse to be offended by what he says cause no matter what he ain't putting food in my belly or on my plate. I can understand being upset at his words and/or actions, but he is a friggin' shock jock out to get attention. I can understand the ire of BP and trusouth as we have all sat here and watched this happen again and again, but frankly I can't see this as anymore than an attempt to be heard. I never even knew who this guy was and frankly, I am upset I have to now.
And.. WHY DO BLACK FOLKS NEED LEADERS??? No other group of people based only on ethnicity has one.

"said Snoop, barking over the phone"

Barking, eh?

Well that makes sense...thanks for coming out snoop...

You know what?

On a lighter note, you know who's fault this is?

Seal.

He got the white model bitch Heidi Klum (anything is possible).
He gon' take and marry her (they married, right?) nut up in her, get her pregnant, then trick her into keeping that baby. Probably said some Jamaican-ass African shit to her. That shit confused her. Cuz you know, on the slide, black dudes can fuck white chicks all day but just don't keep that baby. But he dazzled her with some voodoo-hindu shit and she kept the baby. So now it's all fucked up. Cuz we know the rules. Once you gotta a BM (baby muva) then you can fuck her forever.

Now white muvafuckas is seeing that shit and it's driving 'em crazy. It's just ampliflying thier hatred to a level that can't be contained.

So, Seal, I blame you.

-Black People

i dont think any one should disrespect the women
snoops comment makes sense though and so does the
other guy who said we should let the whites run wild to see there true colors.
this girl a my school admitted she didnt like black peole and is not going to a good day tomarrow but we shouldnt presure whites with the fear of being racist even if the are
if they dont like us the should keep it to themselves.
now please, try to tell me im wrong.

i dont think any one should disrespect the women
snoops comment makes sense though and so does the
other guy who said we should let the whites run wild to see there true colors.
this girl a my school admitted she didnt like black peole and is not going to a good day tomarrow but we shouldnt presure whites with the fear of being racist even if the are
if they dont like us the should keep it to themselves.
now please, try to tell me im wrong.

i dont think any one should disrespect the women
snoops comment makes sense though and so does the
other guy who said we should let the whites run wild to see there true colors.
this girl a my school admitted she didnt like black peole and is not going to a good day tomarrow but we shouldnt presure whites with the fear of being racist even if the are
if they dont like us the should keep it to themselves.
now please, try to tell me im wrong.

back to your old tricks, jay! Good to see you back in this "beeyotch" ;)

It's weird how each of Snoop's items in his self-defense actually presents an argument AGAINST disrespecting Black women.

1. He's Black.

2. The targets of his scorn are women of color in his own community.

3. Snoop talks of "old ass white men" like he has nothing to do with them. THEY ARE HIS BEST FRIENDS. Snoop's job is to make them rich. He is their bitch. Damn hypocrite.

4. Snoop's music presents an image of Black masculinity that is selfish, violent, drug-obsessed, sexually inconsiderate, and strangely apolitical (unless we add anti-police).

4. Snoop cannot plead ignorance. He should know better.

This is a perfect example of the double standard.

The job of reinvigorating racial archetypes and stereotypes has been outsourced to Black entertainers like Snoop Dogg.

Snoop says "we are not in the same league as [Imus]."

He is right. He is on an even bigger stage and has even more responsibility than Imus. I almost guarantee more people recognize Snoop, and hear the degrading things that he says about Black women on a regular basis.

Again, Snoop is right.

He is expressing himself the only way that he knows how.

I know people like to play naive when it comes to racism and race relations. I also know that all caps means shouting. So I'm not shouting but you guys pretend not to get it. So...

WHITE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME LICENSE AS BLACK PEOPLE TO USE DEROGATORY OR DEMEANING LANGUAGE IN REFERENCE TO BLACK PEOPLE. DUE TO OUR HISTORY WITH EACH OTHER. PERIOD.

Stop ackin' like y'all 'ont understand.

Smooth, you wanna chime in here with the thing you wrote about how whites feel about not getting a pass or thier fair share of terminology or phrases that seem to degrade blacks?

Cuz I think some of these guys aint read that.

Peace out.

or lemme dig a little deeper in the crates,

Audi 5000.

-Black People

(P.S. And Ban Seal. Not 50cent. Just jokin'. I'm in a good mood. I think I'm a get some new pussy later on.)

In ova worves, if y'all pretending to still not get it, it goes like this:

"I can whoop my kid's ass all day.
But you cain't."

Now is that 100% logical?
No.

But I know one thing: you bet' not put ya hands on my muvafuckin' kids, tho.

(assuming I had kids. but y'all use big worves so I know y'all understand.)

-Black People

What a bunch of dumbasses you all are. You are worried about what Don Imus says? How many of you even knew who the hell Don Imus was before this? Just another example of the black powers that be taking on a situation where they can do no wrong. Hell, I (white guy) could lead the push to fire Imus. It didn't take Al or Jesse to do this. It took the advertisers pulling there money to do this. Its funny how hypocritical Al and Jesse are. Those Duke guys were put through hell last year because of a false accusation by a money grabbing black female yet Al and Jesse don't stand by them. This "rainbow coalition" is a joke and Jesse is stealing your money. I refuse to call him reverend because a reverend is a man of god he is definitely not that. He is worse than Imus as well as is Al. I don't have a white leader fighting my battles so why do you need these two idiots fighting yours and taking your money.

Whiteguy,
What ova flavours do ya bait come in?

Got anything turkey-flavoured? How 'bout cherry?
Or strawberry? The strawberry Starburst is good. It's the best one. Then come the orange jawn. Naw, naw, it's strawberry then cherry. I bet you ain't know all this time that Skittles is really candy-coated Starburts? Did you?

-Black People

Anyone want to place bets on how soon Imus ends up on Sirrus or XM Radio??

Oh well at least one good thing came out of all this... um there is a radio time slot open Jay.. get your grind on.

why dont you put mucis on thhis site so peeps could listen

why dont you put mucis on thhis site so peeps could listen

BP... There are plenty of Black people who do not grant Snoop a "license" to degrade black women and use the N word. There is no official Dept of the N Word, I'm sorry. If you don't believe me... ask Quincy Jones.

Snoop = The Black Don Imus

Like white people take Michael Richards or Don Imus seriously ....

Snoop is right in the fact that whores do exist and we need to be real about that! Don imus called the whole team "nappy headed ho's" that's not a song! He wasn't making no damn joke! That's how he felt at the moment and he said it on air! If he said it off the air then he would still have his job! He deserved to be fired! Now if he wants to sign a record deal and say that crap no problem! I just won't buy his joint! Peace!

Snoop is right in the fact that whores do exist and we need to be real about that! Don Imus called the whole team "nappy headed ho's" that's not a song! He wasn't making no damn joke! That's how he felt at that moment and he said it on air! If he said it off the air then he would still have his job! He deserved to be fired! Now if he wants to sign a record deal and say that crap no problem! I just won't buy his joint! Peace!

strick couldn't say it any better!

White guy you stupid cracker! Jesse jackson is not the leader of black people fool! He's the leader of the rainbow coalition! Jesse is a national leader who has lead a bunch of white people to protest in the midwest! Straw chewing white farmers and shit! I don't like jesse or al all that much, but you are on some white devil bullshit! Al sharpton has his group and allies of all races too, so chill on that "'Leader of black people" shit! Why would those rich white boys at duke need jesse or al's help to defend themselves against a lying ho? Stupid cracker!

White guy you stupid cracker! Jesse jackson is not the leader of black people fool! He's the leader of the rainbow coalition! Jesse is a national leader who has lead a bunch of white people to protest in the midwest! Straw chewing white farmers and shit! I don't like jesse or al all that much, but you are on some white devil bullshit! Al sharpton has his group and allies of all races too, so chill on that "'Leader of black people" shit! Why would those rich white boys at duke need jesse or al's help to defend themselves against a lying ho? Stupid cracker!

I think that Imus statement was insensitive and displayed and was meant as a disrespectful stereotype and i feel that some sort of penalty should have occured as for for Snoop making the statements that he made i can say that how Imus says it and how Snoop says the word (Ho) they are completely different .............since i am in the entertainment industry and if i said hoe i would be referring to a female who is money hungry and trying to do whatever to get my money (I try not to use this word though) but when it is said in another way then it is meant to solely demean and destroy the character of a person or group of people while reinforcing a set stereotype that prevails in society.........some of you may not agree with me but use logic to try and persuade me to see your view don't call me a stupid idiot(lol)

I am so friggin happy that Snoop has said it's ok to use the word "ho" when we talk about black women. As long as I distinguish that I'm talking about black women in the hood who sit on their asses all day and not athletes, I can say "nappy ho's" all I want! Thanks Snoop! You da man!!! This is progress.

This coming from a grown ass man damn near 40 with a wife and 3 kids. He shouldn't just be ashamed that something this damn stupid would come out of his mouth, but that he's nearly 20 years into the rap game and still rapping about the same sh*t!. Snoop almost 20 years removed from the ghetto. Snoop may have the backdrop of Long Beach or South Central in his videos, but you are more likely to find him hanging out in Malibu with other wealthy music industry elites--not with his homies in the hood. He's not rapping about what he knows anymore; he's rapping about what sells--to White kids.

This coming from a grown ass man damn near 40 with a wife and 3 kids. He shouldn't just be ashamed that something this damn stupid would come out of his mouth, but that he's nearly 20 years into the rap game and still rapping about the same sh*t! Snoop almost 20 years removed from the ghetto. Snoop may have the backdrop of Long Beach or South Central in his videos, but you are more likely to find him hanging out in Malibu with other wealthy music industry elites--not with his homies in the hood. He's not rapping about what he knows anymore; he's rapping about what sells--to White kids.

Some of y'all dudes sound mad cuz Snoop stylin' on you.

Or more like crabs in a barrel. Let Snoop get his dough. He still got the football leagues around the way.

Sike, all jokes aside. Lemme stop playin'. 'For people start cryin.

Bottom line: Snoop was right (in his own way).

-Black People

(see y'all on the other board at the top of the home page)

Snoop be just tellin' it like it is. black women ain't nothin' but ho's in da hood. They should all be smacked around and raped. Just not the Rutgers players. They be beautiful and courageous 'n shit. But in da hood, all dem stupid-ass nigga ho's needs to be tapped and kicked into da gutter yo! Tell it Snoop! F** Yeah!! lynch up all dem ho-bags in da hood. dey just property, yo, to da gansta rap muthafuckas! stupid-ass nappy-headed nigga ho's. Use em, put em in yo videos, then fuck em and throw em out in da dumpsta! That's how we high-class niggas roll, yo.

"WHITE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME LICENSE AS BLACK PEOPLE TO USE DEROGATORY OR DEMEANING LANGUAGE IN REFERENCE TO BLACK PEOPLE. DUE TO OUR HISTORY WITH EACH OTHER. PERIOD."

Yo black people, how long are you going to hang onto this shit for? Are we talking descendants of slavery black people or basically anyone with dark skin in this country? Those fucked in the Delta or some Haitian cat who moved to the Bronx in 1982? Are we talking descendants of slave owners white people? Or anyone with light skin? Plantation owners or some Russian guy who moved here in the 20s? Let's up the ante - Some Russian Jewish family who fled the Nazis? I'm Jewish, you don't hear me running double standard trains on Germans. I hear your argument a lot, and there is only one really about it: Grow up, you're being an idiot. Look to the future! Peace out.

only one real comment about it****

only one real comment about it****
Black people as in the dude who posts here.

Milo,
I will get back to you later...

-Black People

Man, I should have stopped by earlier. Black People: De Niro doesn't balance Seal out?

In Snoop's defense, I just read the Led Zepplin biography and I imagine backstage is similar for Snoop. There are women in this world who will allow you to do things like stuff seafood and pastries in their lady parts. What do you call them? I don't write rhymes, but how do you ignore that?

Milo, I remember 19. It was a good year. Never again was I so right all the time.

feels good janine. sorry that things changed for you.

Ok, now you wilin' gettin' smart wit' a girl for nuntin'.

First off, I 'ont do internet insults, Milo. So don't feel rejected if my explanations make you feel loved and appreciated instead of fired up.

Where to start..? Where to start..?

Got it.

Let's go with this one: How long am I gonna hang on to "this shit" for? My guess is your casual reference to slavery, the all important process of whites teaching blacks to hate themselves and the effects of these experiences is that it is something that should be overlooked? Perhaps I'm wrong.

I'm gonna hang onto until my people don't need to reference it to understand their history of their relationship to white people.

Until then I'll bring it up whenever it applies. Sorry it makes you feel...a certain way. My intention is not to offend whites but to inform non-whites. Things are a little imbalanced these days.

BTW, another thing I don't do is break down a prior post line for line. So I'll stick with a very important theme that you introduced: Whites vs. Non-whites.

This is a very key point to you learning and being honest about history and race relations.

See, you are absolutely right. It's not descendants of slaves vs slave owners.

It's about whites vs. non-whites.

All over the planet, whereever white people went they spread racism.
Australia
East India
Asia (Korea, China, Japan)
All of the Americas:North - South - Central
Africa.

Hollywood was started by Khazars commonly referred to as Jewish people who immigrated from Eastern Europe.

In no time they quickly set the standard for the creating the strong white brand in entertainment.

Creation of a strong white brand requires the ridicule of others. Because alone, the white brand is not naturally dominant.

But let's go back. Are you familiar with the European Expansion?
Have you googled it yet?
Familiar now? Good?

Every where and "every when" that white people encountered non-whites the story was the same. Bloodshed followed, lands were usurped, non-white people where told they where wrong for not resembling white people. This is history.

It doesn't matter if you are a 13th century trader or some guy with a radio talk show. Doesn't matter if it's in the Netherlands or the South. White people have always expressed total disdain for non-white people. This is a proven fact.

Now I'm sorry if that rubs you the wrong way. But history tells this story. Not me.

We cannot honestly look to the future until we fully understand what has transpired in the past.

It's like you telling your brother to get in bed with a venomous snake because the future may be brighter. But upon thorough examination of the snake's history you'll find that he's bitten and poisoned anything that he has spent a lengthy amount of time with.

Please be realistic.

There is no darker history between races like that of whites versus non whites.

If you don't already know this, look it up.

I'm a bout to go take this flicted as Uniden phone back to Sears and get something that works. But when I get back I ain't gon' feel like talkin' about this shit anymore. I'm a wanna talk about Cho at Virginia Tech and the rejection of difference.

-Black People

Oh what up, Janine? I 'ont think DeNiro qualifies because Black folk don't get all outraged abour race mixing like white folks do. Whites got that shit sittin right under thier skin at all times and the smallest thing can provoke it. And throughout history when their chicks gave up the thier "stuff" to black guys it has always presented a problem. From plain anger to lynchings. So I gotta stick with blaming Seal.

One last thing in defense of my main man Snoop Doggy Dogg formerly known as Snoop Rock. Entertainers are not teachers.

If this weren't the case then Tom Cruise shoulda never took that role in Collateral. Tom Hanks shoulda never did Road to Perdition.

The world is rated XXX (or worse).
Not G or PG-13.

Entertainers bring that world to us in thier own creative ways.

Thanks Snoop.

-Black People

I didn't have time to get into it. I still don't, really. In short, I don't think that race is the most important thing about me. In fact I'd love to never think about race again, but by golly, America won't let me. It's like being in a small room where someone keeps letting loose these gigantic farts, but keeps insisting that it's rude for me to notice or say anything.

How about Bowie/Iman? He's the white duke, but he's also 4'9".

Dunno Janine. About David Bowie and Iman? I 'ont think anybody around the way takes notice or really cares.

Black folk don't really respond to race like white folks. I think it's something to do with size. I think because, on average, Black folks come a little bigger than white people so we tend to write them off. On the other hand white people are a little smaller so they're always afraid.

And "fear leads to the dark side" (Jedi Master Yoda).

Also I think just with a cursory glance some black folk are kinda happy to see a white muvafucka who ain't scared to come through the family reuninion and the cookouts and shit. The girls be like "Oh look at Shirley. Here she come with her white boyfriend." Somebody hook a plate up for him. He come hang with the guys, come play cards and shit wit' us. We just be happy he ain't on some Don Imus, Kramer normal white racist shit. I guess that's how it goes.

But wait. I can read ya mind. Next you gon ask me about Halle and the white dude she wit, right?
Hmmm, I starting to see your point. Okay maybe if it's not a celeb or something. Just a sister on the hum. Then we 'ont care. But Halle's different. She's an icon for our generation. But she ain't always go white right? She gave bruvas a chance. I dunno. Halle's a different case though.

I dunno. Shit is complicated. Absolutes are limiting. Life is complex. But that's the beauty of it.

-Black People

I still blame Seal. White people don't play that shit tho. Celeb or average chick.

Oh, so now Jews are the great wellspring and bedrock of American racism?

Khazars??? What's next? The Elders of Zion?

I am not saying Jews are blameless. But could we please realize that 99% of Jews have nothing to do with Hollywood or the banking system?

Dont appreciate the sneering attitude towards snoop in these replies. nothing is a bigger turn off than a know it all snotty expert.

Snoop was right, he just said it in than inimitable style of his.

Jason Whitlock, get that money nigga. We know you talking garbage but a nigga got to eat. Same as stanley crouch, these niggas got to eat.

Eric, this is not a conversation about Jewish people or the Khazars. Don't steer things in that direction.

Eat my shorts, I'm glad you recognize. I ain't really know no other way to explain it.

-Black People

BP... i can't say this really qualifies as a "conversation". it's more like a park with people on soapboxes who occasionally overhear each other and change topics.

You brought up Jewish people to suggest a conspiracy. I just want to suggest that there is not a conspiracy, but that racism is simply endemic.

It would be nice to think a small group of white people hold the keys to eliminating racism. But is that the case? Maybe it started that way, but racism seems pretty fully grassroots at this point. I'm not saying it doesn't manifest at the top (clearly, it does), but if you cut off one of its heads (e.g., Imus), will that reduce racism?

I am not convinced that going after people at the top is a good strategy. And right now, that seems to be the only major strategy used to combat racism.

If you can suggest how getting Imus fired -- or how Snoop's derogatory lyrics -- improves race relations... please help me understand.

Also, what else -- besides getting racist white people fired -- should we be doing to improve race relations?

My assessment is that until people change the way they live... the way we actually interact with each other at school, work, on the street... not much will change.

I am white. And you wanna know what we think and talk about at home at night?? Well, here's the raw truth..WE don't THINK ABOUT YOU AT ALL!!! The only time we think about YOU TRASH is when another drive by has been committed or another crack house has been raided, or more kids have been neglected, or there was a riot at the welfare office. That's when we say things like.."I am tired of "negroes" taking over the world, expecting US to pay them back for something that we never did, and that never happened to them"..(slavery, in case you're too stupid to know what I'm referring to)..don't you ass holes ever get tired of blaming the "white man" for holding you back? Must be nice to have someone to blame. Well, ya know what?? I blame YOU for the majority of the crime in this country..I blame the "doggy doggs" of the world..and Snoop is a fucking idiot. Did you guys really read what he said? I was snickering when I read that part about "We're talking about ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing sh--, that's trying to get a n---a for his money"... That just proves Imus right, that you guys agree with him..but the reality is, he's not racist.. He was commenting on their nappy appearance, not their lifestyle..Snoop is the nastiest, ugliest, weed smokin, washed out, worst influence on the youth of America I have ever seen..50 cent being next in line. Good thing not many people like his ass any more..we might have a problem. I used to have respect for black "folk" until I went to an all black school, as the only white kid in school..an 8th grade student that had to walk through security and a metal detector just to get to my class. Fuckin RIDICULOUS..and as if that wasn't bad enough..I get suspended for wearing all black..which I later found out..is apparently gang colors, and had to leave the school because some ass hole threatened to rape me, and I was tortured on a daily basis. You guys need to change yourselves, and THEN prove yourselves as better people than the rest of the world thinks..otherwise.. WE.."The white men" of the world..are RIIIGHHHTTT..and by the way..I know you "people"..yes..I said "YOU PEOPLE"..are too stupid to understand..when the guy said "barked" he was referring to the fact that this idiot calls himself the "DOGG"..do we have to explain EVERYTHING to you people..Man..anyway..I have white things to do..Aunt Jemima

I am white. And you wanna know what we think and talk about at home at night?? Well, here's the raw truth..WE don't THINK ABOUT YOU AT ALL!!! The only time we think about YOU TRASH is when another drive by has been committed or another crack house has been raided, or more kids have been neglected, or there was a riot at the welfare office. That's when we say things like.."I am tired of "negroes" taking over the world, expecting US to pay them back for something that we never did, and that never happened to them"..(slavery, in case you're too stupid to know what I'm referring to)..don't you ass holes ever get tired of blaming the "white man" for holding you back? Must be nice to have someone to blame. Well, ya know what?? I blame YOU for the majority of the crime in this country..I blame the "doggy doggs" of the world..and Snoop is a fucking idiot. Did you guys really read what he said? I was snickering when I read that part about "We're talking about ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing sh--, that's trying to get a n---a for his money"... That just proves Imus right, that you guys agree with him..but the reality is, he's not racist.. He was commenting on their nappy appearance, not their lifestyle..Snoop is the nastiest, ugliest, weed smokin, washed out, worst influence on the youth of America I have ever seen..50 cent being next in line. Good thing not many people like his ass any more..we might have a problem. I used to have respect for black "folk" until I went to an all black school, as the only white kid in school..an 8th grade student that had to walk through security and a metal detector just to get to my class. Fuckin RIDICULOUS..and as if that wasn't bad enough..I get suspended for wearing all black..which I later found out..is apparently gang colors, and had to leave the school because some ass hole threatened to rape me, and I was tortured on a daily basis. You guys need to change yourselves, and THEN prove yourselves as better people than the rest of the world thinks..otherwise.. WE.."The white men" of the world..are RIIIGHHHTTT..and by the way..I know you "people"..yes..I said "YOU PEOPLE"..are too stupid to understand..when the guy said "barked" he was referring to the fact that this idiot calls himself the "DOGG"..do we have to explain EVERYTHING to you people..Man..anyway..I have white things to do..Aunt Jemima

I am white. And you wanna know what we think and talk about at home at night?? Well, here's the raw truth..WE don't THINK ABOUT YOU AT ALL!!! The only time we think about YOU TRASH is when another drive by has been committed or another crack house has been raided, or more kids have been neglected, or there was a riot at the welfare office. That's when we say things like.."I am tired of "negroes" taking over the world, expecting US to pay them back for something that we never did, and that never happened to them"..(slavery, in case you're too stupid to know what I'm referring to)..don't you ass holes ever get tired of blaming the "white man" for holding you back? Must be nice to have someone to blame. Well, ya know what?? I blame YOU for the majority of the crime in this country..I blame the "doggy doggs" of the world..and Snoop is a fucking idiot. Did you guys really read what he said? I was snickering when I read that part about "We're talking about ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing sh--, that's trying to get a n---a for his money"... That just proves Imus right, that you guys agree with him..but the reality is, he's not racist.. He was commenting on their nappy appearance, not their lifestyle..Snoop is the nastiest, ugliest, weed smokin, washed out, worst influence on the youth of America I have ever seen..50 cent being next in line. Good thing not many people like his ass any more..we might have a problem. I used to have respect for black "folk" until I went to an all black school, as the only white kid in school..an 8th grade student that had to walk through security and a metal detector just to get to my class. Fuckin RIDICULOUS..and as if that wasn't bad enough..I get suspended for wearing all black..which I later found out..is apparently gang colors, and had to leave the school because some ass hole threatened to rape me, and I was tortured on a daily basis. You guys need to change yourselves, and THEN prove yourselves as better people than the rest of the world thinks..otherwise.. WE.."The white men" of the world..are RIIIGHHHTTT..and by the way..I know you "people"..yes..I said "YOU PEOPLE"..are too stupid to understand..when the guy said "barked" he was referring to the fact that this idiot calls himself the "DOGG"..do we have to explain EVERYTHING to you people..Man..anyway..I have white things to do..Aunt Jemima

Aunt Jemima,
You sound like a bitter and naive young woman. My suggestion? A nice dosage of Seal. Or perhaps some Akon. I know when y'all got bad like you do, you like really dark meat.

Cheers. Here's to you getting that Black guy you always wanted.

-Black People

You are officially shunned (Dwight Schrute). Means you're on "ignore".

Since we're being schooled, do white people ever think about paragraph breaks?

Janine,
Not when it's a raving, incoherent rant. It's like one long run-on sentence. But I'm through acknowledging trolls.

-Black People

But seriously, times like this brings out the worst grammar in people, not that I'm trying to be a grammar troll and discredit people while avoiding the substance of their argument, but I really can't parse that, and I did very well on my SATs.

If you're going to simultaneously argue that racism isn't a problem while also saying that black people are lazy, thin-skinned criminals, that's going to need to be laid out very clearly. (Sorry, I've seen many solid blocks of intense "writing" the past few weeks.)

Black People,

Rejoice, the internet is where people can be themselves! Besides, I'll accept any argument that holds together. I won't necessarily agree, but I won't think the writer is a mouth-breather with an AOL account.

I'm actually thinking about another thread. You gotta go read the thread for, "Is Rap Racist?" on Salon. There's one guy who posted this solid block of madness that involved: a West Indian wife, Gay Jews, Clarence Thomas, and the "well-spoken" Black English teacher at VT... it's epic.

Neen, I just tried to go over there. But that shit was too academic. Plus it was like six pages of comments. I got tired of clicking.

But it seems like all the smart people over there, hunh?

-Black People

aww, that's what my nephew calls me. So I'm going to paste in the best comment (totally unedited). It's like Gindhouse, so nakedly crazy, it's funny. The best part is, I'm not even sure I disagree (I understand each word, but not the whole:

that's because you *know* a lot of black people, janinedm

most white people don't. they only have superficial work relationships (at least for men, i think women have more real ones). so they are left with the images they see. and they aren't good. the ONLY time i ever saw intelligent black people on TV was during the Clarence Thomas Anita Hill hearings - and that was only on C-Span at 3 in the morning. the black intellectuals trotted out are stuffed shirts. all have various forms of posing. my own impressions are mainly gained from my wife's family - middle class jamaicans. that isn't a representative sample. my very negative views on rap are exactly due to an association with my wife's nephew's death. yes *real* death, not on TV. and my views on the "community" was that no one spoke up. and my views on the police were that they got the young man (14) who had his cell phone (and *used* it) but somehow "accepted" that he "found it". end of story. that's just ME. but what do ANY of us have besides very limited experience to go on? right now, the korean who killed all those students is let off - there's no racist backlash. it's accepted that he was a paranoid crazy. someone unique and bizarre. if he'd been arab or black or (god forbid) jewish, it would have been a different story. but there's *no* image of koreans - just someone who won't talk to you at the store and no one on TV. (by the way, the english accented black woman english teacher came off VERY WELL. she tried to help him, but he wouldn't go to counseling and the university, because of the Americans with Disabilities Act, couldn't expel or commit him). that's how unique and intelligent black *individuals* are found on TV - by accident. it's different with my people, the jews. true, anyone can make up all sorts of crazy "all jews" etc. but that's not what you see on TV. you see gay jews, you see women speaking out, you see lefties and righties, you see israeli soldiers and woody allen. yes, people still have stereotypes, but you can't say the images are stereotypical. black people *have* stereotypical images. but worse, they form classes of stereotypes - and hardly any are really impressive individuals. an example just came to mind, then i'll get off. Duke Ellington was on TV in an interview. usually people like him are officially idolized, like MLK, and cease to be people. but the interviewer happened to ask how he kept his band together so long (40 years). he said, "if you want your band to stay together that long, you have to have a gimmick - mine is, i pay them". you get an entirely different impression of him from that. he had a sense of mischief! while saying something very true. if TV made a series of clips, like they do of the best football plays, you'd have an entirely different view of black folks, but that doesn't suit. whom? why? who knows?

Oh, I stop at the colon, the rest is crazy dude.

No, it wasn't that smart over there at all. If I see another concerned liberal get all, "I'm so not a racist that I'm worried about how you people present yourselves. I'm also worried about the rampant misogyny of your men..."

That shit was mad crazy and all over the place. It gave me a mini-migraine. I need to be reset.

Lemme scroll back up to the top.

At the end of the day, I just think if you factor in where white people come from in Europe and the conditions that forced them to expand, I think we'll find that they just cain't interact with, understand or accept non-white folks.

No matter what you try to do to nurture them. Thier aversion to difference will always be constant.

Once non-white folks understand this it will be the beginning of worldwide change.

-Black People

Neen, Grindhouse was the shit tho! Tracy Thoms in DeathProof was Quentin's Samuel Jackson and she hit that role out the park.

Planet Terror had me rollin' from top to bottom.

-Black People

I think I might have used a different European history textbook than you. What I do know it's pretty sweet when Taratino's dick melts off.

That was one of my favourite parts too!! I was just acting it out in here a couple of minutes ago tryin to convince someone to go see it.

"Naw, naw fuck the gas. Fuck the gas."

and earlier...

"You like gardening?"

Yo that movie is an instant classic. It's gonna pick up steam over the years like Office Space.

-Black People

MY TO DO LIST

1. Get my own blog. After all, I do more writing here than Jay Smooth. Besides, I have so many different things to talk about, most of which have nothing to do with Jay's posts.

2. Learn how to use chat software. Then I can blather in real time and not have to wait 5 minutes before I respond to my own comment.

-Black People

Somebody's on my dick. ^^^^^

The above comment ain't me.

-Blitnack Pitneople

Wait, were you saying we're both Black People? We are, if you use a lower case "P." Myabe I'm mad rude for getting so off-topic, but HHM dot com is like the virtual bar at cheers for me.

We welcome off-topic discussion here.

^^^ for better or worse.

Good lookin' out Smoove. Somebody's mad over the race light-shedding.

That seems to almost always draw out the most hateful ones.

-Blitnack Pitneople

PostScript: But is 88 vs 91 II coming up?

Did I miss the light-shedding part? I think I did.

Could someone do a quick recap... a short list of things upon which light has been shed?

As I see it, light is not shed when someone simply speaks the truth, rather light is shed when someone receives the truth.

Sorry, eric. Here you go: Wow man! I never thought that Snoop's language was potentially damaging. Despite the fact that that was the dominant meme in both the mainstream and right wing press, you've really opened my eyes there. I think the most progressive next step would be to regulate artists words.

I guess that is a vote for non-discussion.

Votes for discussion: 1
Votes for non-discussion: 1

Discuss your comments, or one of the insightful ones? You could have just pasted in the text from here:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110009946

or here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/imus-is-snoops-frankenst_b_45766.html

or here:

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/007286.htm

etc.

Why should we gather round that tired ass idea like it's a light of truth? Blaming rappers for racism and sexism is a dog that won't hunt.

Am I 100% comfortable with misogynist lyrics? No. I AM 100% uncomfortable with even casual conversation about modifying what any artist is allowed to do with their art. Where does it end? I've got shelves and shelves of 33 1/3 and maybe 5% is hip hop but a good 75% has some pretty non-mainstream ideas. Have you ever heard any version of Stagger Lee? It's a red herring; it's a chimera. I can't believe that I've written this long, because I really feel it's beneath my comment.

Limiting what artists do is so dangerous; is it worth it to do so when it won't end racism or sexism?

If you want to change the lyrics, change the audience. Do you remember how Dr. Dre Presents…The Aftermath sold? Not very well at all.

I think you are right, if we are going to take the time to address the issue of racism, let's not do it "beneath" ourselves.

I am not suggesting we "gather around the truth like a lightbulb". I am simply suggesting that one-on-one, personal dialog is where real change happens.

I have never suggested limiting what artists do. I would never act to limit another person's speech (not Snoop, nor Imus). The point is not to silence people, but to help them transform themselves, no?

The irony of your comment is that "limiting what artists" do is exactly what happened with Imus (I assume you agree with his being fired). Again, I'm not taking a position on Imus. I don't care about Imus. Personally, I don't think it makes a difference.

My point is simple... does the strategy of exposing/silencing celebrities work? If not, what is a better strategy for combatting racism? I am not, actually looking for the truth, but rather the personal views of people on this board.

Yo, I'm really sad tonight.

I gonna have to forgo dinner in place of some comfort food like ice cream and Swedish fish.

Today Russell Simmons caved.

He totally fell for the diversion and gave our freedom of expression away.

Russell Simmons is now a slave-trader.

Next the white muvafuckas (or Anderson Cooper) gon say "We find that Hip-Hop music has too much bass in it. You think you could tone it down a bit? And add more strings while you're at it?"

Then Puff Daddy (Sean #1) Jay-Z (Shawn #2) gon hold a press conference and be like "We've decided to make our music "less offensive" so that it can appeal to more people. Therefore we are decreasing the level of bass and the amount of drums used in our music."

All the while these slave-trading-ass cowards are stripping us of our natural desire to express ourselves. Which serves as a sedative.

This is a sad day.

Why cain't people reocgnize game?

-Black People

I read this on MySpace the other day:

"RZA is sick of hip-hop's singlemindedness, and released a statement blasting rappers who paint the ghetto as a good place to be. According to various news sources, RZA said, 'Hip-hop is just unbalanced. Right now, rappers are glorifying their hell. How you gonna tell me it's cool to live in the ghetto? Who wants to live where you got rats, roaches, pissy elevators, shootings, killings, rapings, drug addicts, alcoholics, all in a four-block radius?'

'Now, out of nine Wu-Tang members, seven are felons... We were the problem of our communities, but we never bragged about it. We kept moving on about life,' he continued. "But right now, these hip-hoppers are stuck on one thing. They stuck on sex and violence and drugs and partying. Life is way more than that. Especially the day after the party ends. When you get the f**k up the next day, what you gonna do?' "

Would you ass holes get a life and quit conversing about shit that your opinion has no effect on? Find something better to do than trying to sound educated and make something a racist issue that never was..GOD get OVER YOURSELVESSSSSS..you ALL bore the ASS RIGHT off of me..and, by the way..you ALL know you quit school at 16...you motherfuckers ain't smart, okay..and don't come back at me with shit..I won't be back to read it..don't waste your time...ni**ers...

Black People -

This shit is gold:
"Entertainers are not teachers.

If this weren't the case then Tom Cruise shoulda never took that role in Collateral. Tom Hanks shoulda never did Road to Perdition.

The world is rated XXX (or worse).
Not G or PG-13.

Entertainers bring that world to us in thier own creative ways"

Check it out though, in partial response to your multiple contributions to this discussion; I have a daughter who just turned seven. When she was in kindergarten, I was teaching her about MLK and having her memorize parts of the "I have a Dream.." speech. When we got to the part "little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers..." she totally couldn't grasp it, racism, why anyone would need to state such things that she already considered absolute. I tried to break it down as best I could, but was totally awestruck that such profound changes in societal interaction could propagate in the period of time between the rights movement and that day in my apartment.

There is much truth in your words, but take heart in knowing that time is working its oft temporary but forever temperamental powers, and we can best influence such by working through the generation junior. Remember to tell it like it should be alongside telling like it has been, cause we got lots of people listening.

It is too late for me to articulate this as well as I should, so apologies for any redundant or contrived bullshit.

--marynificent

Point well taken, Mary.

If intelligence is measured through application then I'll apply your concepts immediately.

Thanks.

-Blitnack Pitneople

I can not understand why people blame Hip-Hop- Blame Rap music there is a diffrence between Common Talib qualib (hIP-hOP)and Lil Joc and lil jon (Rap). No art form is to blame parents, schools, teachers that don't care, racist white or black. There are the problem the feed lies to people or latinoand black people and we eat it like food bullshit like christopher columbus discovered America we know that Africans were here after the Native Americans already, way before europe but we do not know our past to respect anything why- Parents do not teach there kids there past the beauti in themselves the beauti of being black or having black blood in you look @ Mexican, Cubas, Dominicans, some of them darker than me don't even like being black that's the problem not music or racist I never ghave a flying fuc what a racist had to say they are of no importance of me my imprtance is my latin and black people that is what is in my blood and it hurts to see Puerto Ricans worship the spanish like they ddnt come to the land and punish the native americans brought desease and take over the land then leave the blacks that are on the island build up the island crops food living education then the spaniards come back punish some more and we are broud of that but not proud of the Black Culture that along with the Taino Indians are the best cultures on earth. Mexico doesn't even realize that blacks were there bfore the spanards trading and sharing piecefully way before the spanards hell they are black by blood 2 and there history unless u are from that part of mexico is denied. I can go on and on STOP BLAMING HIP-HOP IF THERE IS NO VIOLENCE IN THE HOOD AND MORE UNITY THEY WOULDN'T TALK ABOUT VIOLENCE AS MUCH IT'S REALITY IT'S TRUE IT'S IN THE FACE OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIKE THE TRUTH NOW HIP-HOP HAS A RESPONSIABILITY TO STAY TRUE NOT TO CONFIRM TO WHITE AMERICA BUT I DO WISH BITCH, HOE EXTREME VIOLENCE WAS TONED DOWN A LIL AND MORE TEACHING AND THIS nIGGA ISSUE SHOULDN'T BE A DISCUSSION SIMPLE AND PLAIN WE WERE CALLED NIGGERS FOR 4OO YEARS IN OUR FACE LIKE WE WERE SHIT SOIF WE SAY NOW i AM NOT YOURS I BELONG TO MY PEOPLE MY HINT THE WORD "MY" NIGGA NOT YOURS AND IF YOU ARE OF NO AFRICA (ALKEBU-LAN) DESENT KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT PERIOD: A GREAT MAN NAMED PAUL MOONEY SAID IT BEST I BEEN CALLED NIGGER ALL MY LIKE IF I WANT TO SAY NIGGA FUC U I WILL. Us true Hip-Hopers no what the artist are saying when they say bitches or hoes and we are so easy to say they are wrong but when they make possitive music people don't say shit. There are two sides to everything there are good females and there are bad ones. The bad ones need to have a reality check now I am sure people understand like me that Racist are trying to distroying something that we worked hard to get accepted and these wack rappers are not helping and as soon as we do get accepted we sell out to white people. Our problem is division I listen to music all my life not once did i want to kill myself, cop or anyone else because I was tough Hip-Hop is a art and listen to the words really listen you will see the pain of some of these artist and listen to the crap from some of the other artist and make the choice search find out your past ancestors ask yourself why are we the most hatred race on earth why do we hate eachother light v.s dark blood v.s crip see the bullshit we put on ourselves. People are willing to complaine and fight there own people but kiss white men asses ono u can't play that or say that white people may hear you but they go around playing there music like its reality please I never beena punk I am not starting now it's up to us to keep it as a family Black no matter the race we created them whites come from us it tool us the ice age and millions of years to create them and if they are racist who cares if we take care of eachother like every other race this wouldn't be a issue. People wouldn't half tyo begg the white men if the black man that has the samepower takes cares of his own and not everyone else first. Al Sharpton nor Jesse Jackson speak for black people I will never let weak men speak for me. Imus is white and I doubt hip-hop was his influence nappy headed hoe lol like we started the blackinsults yea we were in africa minding our own shit and we decided to come to america and be caller niggers, monkeys, nappy headed, worthless etc people right lol give me a break he is a racist that let his tounge slip period and did I care no why when u aknowledge ignorence you give it power I refuse to give another racist white boy any power over me. Black people want to change hip-hop change yourself first.

Worve em up, Alkebulanian!!!

-Black People

Thank god Rage Against The Machine is back! Now let's hear some real rappin.

WHAZ UP SNOOP WAZ CRACKIN WIT YA WHEN U GOING 2 MAKE YO OTHER CD MAN I GOT ALL OF THE HIPHOP MUSIC THA U BROUGHT OUT SAY I GOING TO TALK 2 U LATA A THAZ WAZ CRACKIN CUZ