Wow! I'm so glad that i'm able to be the first to speak on this. You are so right in your opinion because it is so hard to explain to people that aren't in the culture what hip hop is about. It is obvious that Mr. White Stripes has been more exposed to commercial hip hop to say something so narrow minded especially for somebody who is musically trained (for rock n'roll at least.) Your example with the construction is so real right now because believe me I've felt the same way about obscure sounds for awhile. (I'm a P.E fan as well)Hip hop was really solely based on out of the box thinking. Most of the forefathers of hip hop couldn't play instraments but new what sounds and breaks could "move the crowd" (Hence M.C) Every thing in the culture was moved on creativity from the music (sights and sounds birthed all four elements and off-shoots)I'ts trully a shame that there aren't enough writers and editors of these magazines who are willing to check these cats and goive them a crash course of the real. Thats why it's important to continue to be a beacon of light to the hip hop masses!!!!

P.S Everything I say is thought provokin', Ya Know it's East Oakland!!! Peace!!

I agree with Jay on this one. Mr. White should know that noise (sound) is one of the main components in many different genre of music. For instance, Steppenwolfs supposedly slashed their speaker cones to create distorted noise for their guitar, which is now known as distortion in R&R music. What about Nirvana and that whole grunge scene? I can't say that the Nirvana and/or the entire grunge scene was musically sophisticated but they did come out with their own brand of noise = sound = grunge. I don't think any of us can articulate why we like distorted guitar sound or that grunge sound, but many of us like them. Many R&R musician could identify artists by their sound = noise, just as Jay mentioned for Hip Hop heads to be able to recognize snare sound of Premo vs Dion. I have to say that sometimes there are sound (noise) out there that I feel strongly but can not explain in words as to why. I just like them. That's why there are some beats that I like but can not explain why. It must be the noise!

I suppose Mr. White never read Tricia Rose's book Black Noise. I am so over people saying that hip-hop is not really music. Hip-hop is very much like African music...and we can say Jamaican music by extension. Bass is important, as is repetition. It's also polyrhythmic by nature.

I am glad Jack White wrote that article and that there are so many critical views of hip hop because it urges those who take hip hop seriously and can express critical theroy to evaluate and offer analysis in a way that I can appreciate and understand.

If hip hop is truly an American art form that black people have created, then I think it's important that the creators and adopters be able to discuss it as such.

I am one who feels that hip hop, in general, is dying, artistically. Like you mentioned, Jay, that's my opinion; there is no wrong or right.

However, I would like to have more faith in hip hop. And although there a number of groups innovating the sound, or dropping politics or creating dance cuts that aren't mere re-treads of past hits - overwhelmingly, they are in the minority.

You, Lynne and a few others challenge me to rethink my views on hip hop and give me some hope that this artistic expression can be more than braggadocious misogyny and bling bling.

Thanks.

Oh Please!!! Black music has all but drowned itself in the samples of more talented (normally white) musicians and is currently choking up a gut-full of advertising ploys. Afro-American music has sold it's soul to deodorant commercials and Heineken. A black man selling his soul to master the guitar would be unheard of in our society - black artists cannot even play music (nor do they intend to)! And god forbid that they ruin their $300 celebrity endorsed sneakers walking down an unpaved road to the crossroads! Music originally, admittedly, did not progress and find it's truth and integrity until the birth of the Delta blues with the likes of Lead Belly and Robert Johnson. How many young black people know who these artists are, honestly? Guess who does appreciate the integrity that black music once had? JACK WHITE!!!! The White Stripes have covered both Robert Johnson and Blind Willie McTell. Now, how many young black people know who these musicians are? I'm sure they would assume that "Blind Lemon Jefferson" is the name of a gin and lemon drink. If you want to hear good black music, you have to listen to smart assed white boys like Jack White or Beck because, unless it has an endorsement that you can post across your chest declaring yourself a whore for (fill in the blank) corporation, black youth ain't buyin'...

Jennifer:

Your musical worldview and your perception of African-Americans are both spectacularly myopic. For some reason you are seething with hostility towards the 99.8% of Black people who did not record Blues music between 1928 and 1936. If you think Jack White shares this peculiar bias, I suspect you are mistaken.

I would encourage you to follow your own advice and listen more closely to Beck, who has always shown tremendous respect for contemporary Black music in general, and Hip-Hop in particular.

i think jack is right,, music needs more than "noise", yes grunge music makes lots of noise, but it is only noise added to the already existing sound of the music,, like to bring the song up to a climax then back down to a soft melody,,, nirvana used,,,,"noise",,, but it was noise added to the already existing music that gave more feeling of pain and anger to an already great piece of music,,the "noise" was created out of the feelings coming through kurt cobain,,,yeah he used pedals,, but he only used them to add emphasis to his already great music,,, any Nirvana song played accustically sounds just as great as electric with,,,"noise",,, unlike rap and hip hop which usually STEAL their "noise" from a rock band.

some of you guys are missing hte point in jacks quote all of white strieps music is based off of music made in the early 1900s do some reaseach this stuff has been around for hundreds of years and jack is simply redoin this storys in his own manor and he is doing what he loves and whatever people wona make of it or belive go ahead its everyone opinion on music and you cant judge on what people like or dont like for this is why you can not say jack is wrong for his own opinions on his or others point of view on music itself

some of you guys are missing the point in jacks quote all of white stripes music is based off of music made in the early 1900s do some research this stuff has been around for hundreds of years and jack is simply re-doing thies storys in his own manor and he is doing what he loves and whatever people wona make of it or belive go ahead its everyone opinion on music and you cant judge on what people like or dont like for this is why you can not say jack is wrong for his own opinions on his or others point of view on music itself

Jack White isn't wrong at all really. In Hiphop, which is a heavily lyrical genre, sometimes far too lyrical for it's own good, when the storytelling (lyrics) are shit, you have nothing but emotionless rhythm 98% of the time. Because it's mainly, rhyme from rhymer, beat from producer. There is hardly ever any real emotion within the beat. It's just designed to make you move most of the time and almost all the time it's created, saved and sold to the highest bidder. In Rock music (all aspects), there is good stuff, there is shit and there is excellent. The lyrics AND the music do the talking and the storytelling in Rock music. That is what Jack White is saying. If the lyrics aren't especially amazing you can always make amazing music from the heart by playing instruments as opposed to sitting at a computer making a beat. Wu-Tang Clan and Outkast make good music along with it which is why he picks them out. You look at a standard MC and it's random lyrics on a famous producers beat. Jack White is exactly on point. More power to him.

-David

Are these people for real?

At its essence, the Blues was about conveying personal experience -- often troubling or intimate experiences -- without resorting to religion or traditional themes. The Blues was the beginning of modern popular music.

Placing one's personal experience and views above "proper" musical conventions is the epitome of Blues music. Before the Blues, the emphasis was on the group experience and traditional themes and stories. Blues artists asserted themselves as individuals. Blues artists quite often echoed the same "Me Against the World" attitude that people today would associate with 2Pac or Biggie Smalls.

Sure, the Blues has its music conventions -- scales and rhythms -- but those are merely manifestations of something deeper. The Blues empowered individuals to convey elusive personal experiences in ways rarely seen outside of so-called "primitive" cultures.

Quite simply, ALL modern music that places the individual above the group is a direct descendant of the Blues. This includes jazz, rock, doo wop, funk, rap, etc.

If you feel like you've walked a mile in someone else's boots... that's the Blues. As Willie Dixon said, "I am the Blues". 60 years later, KRS-One echoed this spirit when he said "I AM hip hop".

Don't just read your history... KNOW your history.

JACK WHITE IS NEVER WRONG GRRRRRRRR

I never could understand the point of hip-hop, rap, or even r&b. Jack is right when he say that it's all just noise. There's no point to that "other kind" of music. I'll stick to what I like best and it's Jack. In fact, I can't even understand why a person would see him as wrong. Maybe other people are just deaf toned to all the NOISE they're listening to.

Maybe the reason that I think Jack White is right, is perhaps because I am biased. I am A huge White Stripes/ Jack White fan, and I would agree with him on anything. I believe hip-hop nowadays is somewhat juvenile, and basically has no "real" message, except for those of drugs, and violence. But the bottom line is, who am I to judge? I don't believe it is up to me or anyone else for that matter to crticize, Mr. White on the subject.

now, i could counter by saying that rock is just a bunch of angry white men. but that would make me sound like a total ignoramus. and therefore i won't.

This is one hell of a thread going here. A few things to point out:

1) Don't agree with the artist just because you like him. That's plain ludicrous.

2) Mainstream Hip-Hop (in general I can't stand it) is made for one thing: dancing. It isn't meant to be creative or insightful. You get your groove on to hip hop. It's like Chris Rock said "White people, when you dance to hip hop, are you listening to the words or the beat? Cuz you dance like you're listening to the words!"

3) The White Stripes are great, but even they fall into standard formulas (Dead Leaves has almost the same chords structure as There's No Home For You Here, Death Letter and Ball and Biscuit are pretty similar). I think Jack's lyrics are very enticing and the fullness of the sound that they get out of a two person band is unreal.

4) There is good Hip Hop out there, and rapping is certainly a talent (try doing it, it ain't easy!). Check out A Tribe Called Quest or Eminem, both certainly have very well defined and unique styles.

5) I'd be quick to say that most modern rock sucks just as bad as pop-hip-hop. All these kids do is come out with one song with power chords and speed riffs with lyrics about how they love some girl or some BS and they've got an MTV music video but the music is just as repetetive and formulaic. This isn't all, some bands actually strive to write music that is intricate, meaningful and soulful (Widespread Panic is probably the best band out there right now).

Good music is hard to find... for most people ;)

The superior man loves his soul, the inferior man loves his property.

i agree with jack, i respect hip hop is a style and i even like some of it, but it still lacks what music is all about which is expressing yourself with an instrument and your voice. if you have no control over the feel of the intrument playing, its like jack said: just noise. it all comes down to you can't spell crap without rap.

You all suck and are missing the point yes all of you including you Eric yes you. Music rocks, if you don't like it leave it alone, there's no point criticising stuff you don't like, stick to loving what you love. Quote me on that.

Why should it be OK for you to criticze me, but not OK for me to criticize other people?

As a music fan in general, I would have to say Jack White is right. But I also am a hugh fan of hip-hop dubbed "backpack rap". Maninstream hiphop is just about dead. Certain groups such as Outkast and the Roots still blow my mind. But overall, I'm not convinced (with an exception of a few artists) that anyone goes into the studio and tries making a classic album. In other words, ALL MUSIC IS DYING. Rock music just about might watch their backs too.

fuck dem white stripes pricks, theyre just fuckin ignorant. his group only has two intruments in it theyre tracks are some boring bullshit. if i saw jack white id spit on him for makin such an ignorant remark

not much to say, except for the fact that if, as someone here says, music = expression thru instrument and voice, then hip hop is easily music. the fact that someone is playing a "live" guitar and drums is irrelevant; the tone of the guitar etc is so dependent upon electric / onic maniplation as to make one think--what is live? when it comes to most hip hop production, and especially all progressive hip hop production (timba, kanye, neptunes, def jux crew etc) the manipulation of sound is number one. sounds / samples are tweaked by individuals, so even if you hear "bleep and bloops", you are hearing things that have been created by human hands enacting the contents of a human head. and if you think that electronic sounds can't have any emotion, then fuck you. just fuck you. electronic sound can be deployed in many ways, and not just in imitation of traditionally "emotional" forms such as string quartets. i don't even know what i'm saying anymore.

jack white isn't talking out of his ass. his comment perfectly elucidates his position. it's just that his position is one that is wilfully closed to a large aspect of music. god forbid i even get into cage or young--white might run at me with his shiny red porsche.

Remember that Jack isn't criticizing Hip Hop, he's criticizing what people have (or haven't) done to progress the genre. Without equal and constant injections of creativity, intelligence, emotion and musicianship, ANY genre is destined toward stagnancy. How many times can you hear someone brag about themselves over a 4 beat piano diddy before it becomes agonizingly redundant and tiresome? Lyricism has always been at the forefront of Hip Hop, but when unprofound lyrics are supported with extremely basic musical accompaniment, there is little substance left to wrap your mind around. Unfortunately this impotent formula has still produced success for artists and has kept hip hop's potential firmly chained to the results billboard's dance music charts.

"fuck dem white stripes pricks, theyre just fuckin ignorant. his group only has two intruments in it theyre tracks are some boring bullshit. if i saw jack white id spit on him for makin such an ignorant remark"

You sound pretty ignorant, have you even heard a white stripes album?? Or any rock album?

Interesting comments, to be sure. I think Jack White is entitled to his opinion. But as someone who grew up not listening to hip-hop, but classical music and later rock and has come to embrace it (hip-hop) over the past five years or so, I think he's well off the mark.

Yes Budgie sounds like the kind of guy who listens to mainstream hip hop. Dude, could u say one sentence without swearing. No of course u can't you've been brainwashed. I'm mainly a rock fan, but i do like some hip hops if the words are right. There are two types of music - regardless of what genre it is. Music to listen to, and music to dance (mosh, groove etc) to. The White Stripes have brilliant listening music...the guitar playing is amazing. Jack White strikes me as an incredibly profound person and he's commenting on the way hip-hop is now. It's the 'bling' culture - talent optional. Eminem didn't sell loads of records coz he's white but coz he's more talented than many of those 'bling' culture bilge. There's rubbish in rap and there's rubbish in rock - just look at KoRn for example!!
Jack's entitled to his own opinions of course, but i feel that anyone qualified to take part in this discussion has to be both a rock and a hip-hop fan.
Besides, Jack's gone back to roots with Blues, which was the father of both hip-hop and rock. so pay respect.
Muse rule.

Yes Budgie sounds like the kind of guy who listens to mainstream hip hop. Dude, could u say one sentence without swearing. No of course u can't you've been brainwashed. I'm mainly a rock fan, but i do like some hip hops if the words are right. There are two types of music - regardless of what genre it is. Music to listen to, and music to dance (mosh, groove etc) to. The White Stripes have brilliant listening music...the guitar playing is amazing. Jack White strikes me as an incredibly profound person and he's commenting on the way hip-hop is now. It's the 'bling' culture - talent optional. Eminem didn't sell loads of records coz he's white but coz he's more talented than many of those 'bling' culture bilge. There's rubbish in rap and there's rubbish in rock - just look at KoRn for example!!
Jack's entitled to his own opinions of course, but i feel that anyone qualified to take part in this discussion has to be both a rock and a hip-hop fan.
Besides, Jack's gone back to roots with Blues, which was the father of both hip-hop and rock. so pay respect.
Muse rule.

Yes Budgie sounds like the kind of guy who listens to mainstream hip hop. Dude, could u say one sentence without swearing. No of course u can't you've been brainwashed. I'm mainly a rock fan, but i do like some hip hops if the words are right. There are two types of music - regardless of what genre it is. Music to listen to, and music to dance (mosh, groove etc) to. The White Stripes have brilliant listening music...the guitar playing is amazing. Jack White strikes me as an incredibly profound person and he's commenting on the way hip-hop is now. It's the 'bling' culture - talent optional. Eminem didn't sell loads of records coz he's white but coz he's more talented than many of those 'bling' culture bilge. There's rubbish in rap and there's rubbish in rock - just look at KoRn for example!!
Jack's entitled to his own opinions of course, but i feel that anyone qualified to take part in this discussion has to be both a rock and a hip-hop fan.
Besides, Jack's gone back to roots with Blues, which was the father of both hip-hop and rock. so pay respect.
Muse rule.

Yes Budgie sounds like the kind of guy who listens to mainstream hip hop. Dude, could u say one sentence without swearing. No of course u can't you've been brainwashed. I'm mainly a rock fan, but i do like some hip hops if the words are right. There are two types of music - regardless of what genre it is. Music to listen to, and music to dance (mosh, groove etc) to. The White Stripes have brilliant listening music...the guitar playing is amazing. Jack White strikes me as an incredibly profound person and he's commenting on the way hip-hop is now. It's the 'bling' culture - talent optional. Eminem didn't sell loads of records coz he's white but coz he's more talented than many of those 'bling' culture bilge. There's rubbish in rap and there's rubbish in rock - just look at KoRn for example!!
Jack's entitled to his own opinions of course, but i feel that anyone qualified to take part in this discussion has to be both a rock and a hip-hop fan.
Besides, Jack's gone back to roots with Blues, which was the father of both hip-hop and rock. so pay respect.
Muse rule.

Yes Budgie sounds like the kind of guy who listens to mainstream hip hop. Dude, could u say one sentence without swearing. No of course u can't you've been brainwashed. I'm mainly a rock fan, but i do like some hip hops if the words are right. There are two types of music - regardless of what genre it is. Music to listen to, and music to dance (mosh, groove etc) to. The White Stripes have brilliant listening music...the guitar playing is amazing. Jack White strikes me as an incredibly profound person and he's commenting on the way hip-hop is now. It's the 'bling' culture - talent optional. Eminem didn't sell loads of records coz he's white but coz he's more talented than many of those 'bling' culture bilge. There's rubbish in rap and there's rubbish in rock - just look at KoRn for example!!
Jack's entitled to his own opinions of course, but i feel that anyone qualified to take part in this discussion has to be both a rock and a hip-hop fan.
Besides, Jack's gone back to roots with Blues, which was the father of both hip-hop and rock. so pay respect.
Muse rule.

Yes Budgie sounds like the kind of guy who listens to mainstream hip hop. Dude, could u say one sentence without swearing. No of course u can't you've been brainwashed. I'm mainly a rock fan, but i do like some hip hops if the words are right. There are two types of music - regardless of what genre it is. Music to listen to, and music to dance (mosh, groove etc) to. The White Stripes have brilliant listening music...the guitar playing is amazing. Jack White strikes me as an incredibly profound person and he's commenting on the way hip-hop is now. It's the 'bling' culture - talent optional. Eminem didn't sell loads of records coz he's white but coz he's more talented than many of those 'bling' culture bilge. There's rubbish in rap and there's rubbish in rock - just look at KoRn for example!!
Jack's entitled to his own opinions of course, but i feel that anyone qualified to take part in this discussion has to be both a rock and a hip-hop fan.
Besides, Jack's gone back to roots with Blues, which was the father of both hip-hop and rock. so pay respect.
Muse rule.

Yes Budgie sounds like the kind of guy who listens to mainstream hip hop. Dude, could u say one sentence without swearing. No of course u can't you've been brainwashed. I'm mainly a rock fan, but i do like some hip hops if the words are right. There are two types of music - regardless of what genre it is. Music to listen to, and music to dance (mosh, groove etc) to. The White Stripes have brilliant listening music...the guitar playing is amazing. Jack White strikes me as an incredibly profound person and he's commenting on the way hip-hop is now. It's the 'bling' culture - talent optional. Eminem didn't sell loads of records coz he's white but coz he's more talented than many of those 'bling' culture bilge. There's rubbish in rap and there's rubbish in rock - just look at KoRn for example!!
Jack's entitled to his own opinions of course, but i feel that anyone qualified to take part in this discussion has to be both a rock and a hip-hop fan.
Besides, Jack's gone back to roots with Blues, which was the father of both hip-hop and rock. so pay respect.
Muse rule.

Yes Budgie sounds like the kind of guy who listens to mainstream hip hop. Dude, could u say one sentence without swearing. No of course u can't you've been brainwashed. I'm mainly a rock fan, but i do like some hip hops if the words are right. There are two types of music - regardless of what genre it is. Music to listen to, and music to dance (mosh, groove etc) to. The White Stripes have brilliant listening music...the guitar playing is amazing. Jack White strikes me as an incredibly profound person and he's commenting on the way hip-hop is now. It's the 'bling' culture - talent optional. Eminem didn't sell loads of records coz he's white but coz he's more talented than many of those 'bling' culture bilge. There's rubbish in rap and there's rubbish in rock - just look at KoRn for example!!
Jack's entitled to his own opinions of course, but i feel that anyone qualified to take part in this discussion has to be both a rock and a hip-hop fan.
Besides, Jack's gone back to roots with Blues, which was the father of both hip-hop and rock. so pay respect.
Muse rule.

Yes Budgie sounds like the kind of guy who listens to mainstream hip hop. Dude, could u say one sentence without swearing. No of course u can't you've been brainwashed. I'm mainly a rock fan, but i do like some hip hops if the words are right. There are two types of music - regardless of what genre it is. Music to listen to, and music to dance (mosh, groove etc) to. The White Stripes have brilliant listening music...the guitar playing is amazing. Jack White strikes me as an incredibly profound person and he's commenting on the way hip-hop is now. It's the 'bling' culture - talent optional. Eminem didn't sell loads of records coz he's white but coz he's more talented than many of those 'bling' culture bilge. There's rubbish in rap and there's rubbish in rock - just look at KoRn for example!!
Jack's entitled to his own opinions of course, but i feel that anyone qualified to take part in this discussion has to be both a rock and a hip-hop fan.
Besides, Jack's gone back to roots with Blues, which was the father of both hip-hop and rock. so pay respect.
Muse rule.

Yes Budgie sounds like the kind of guy who listens to mainstream hip hop. Dude, could u say one sentence without swearing. No of course u can't you've been brainwashed. I'm mainly a rock fan, but i do like some hip hops if the words are right. There are two types of music - regardless of what genre it is. Music to listen to, and music to dance (mosh, groove etc) to. The White Stripes have brilliant listening music...the guitar playing is amazing. Jack White strikes me as an incredibly profound person and he's commenting on the way hip-hop is now. It's the 'bling' culture - talent optional. Eminem didn't sell loads of records coz he's white but coz he's more talented than many of those 'bling' culture bilge. There's rubbish in rap and there's rubbish in rock - just look at KoRn for example!!
Jack's entitled to his own opinions of course, but i feel that anyone qualified to take part in this discussion has to be both a rock and a hip-hop fan.
Besides, Jack's gone back to roots with Blues, which was the father of both hip-hop and rock. so pay respect.
Muse rule.

Jack White is the purveyor of mediocre, funpopular version of rock and roll....in its new manifestation as white music

How many times do we have to hear the ignorant, uneducated pomposity of 'The Rock Fan' telling us that two guitars, a drum kit and a singer equal Real Music? (Or in J.Whites case, one guitar and a drumkit and a misguided opinion that old/establised is necessarily better?)

All this is is a watered down general convention that has passed into the mass conscious. (by the sounds of most of these reference points, through dumbed down shite like MTV)

How many times have these tired conventions (in all genres, sub genres...) already been tossed on the bonfire along with the theory that the world is flat?
Except the difference music is malleable and constantly mutates into new shapes. You just have to be listening in the right places. Kraftwerk may chuck out the guitars altogether in the 70's and sing about motorways. (The Slits took a punk template and welded it onto world music... Pil smash together noise, dub, disco, punk, ...and on and on....) This was all nearly 30 years ago-

Hiphop then taught us that you didn't even need 'instruments', you make music from whats at hand, : noise, anything, other peoples records even:::
you soak it in from your environment: That's Real Music. If Flash had saved up for a guitar down in the impoverished Bronx of the late 70's/early 80's and started learning Robert Johnson songs- fair play would have been accorded- but instead: He reflected and communicated HIS experience HIS way, not somebody elses. And it moved on again in different places.

Some of the people on this thread should read up and realise that if you learn and respect old music, it will tell you that definitions will keep being broken. The only place there is even still just Rock and Hiphop is in the mainstream media. (particularly within the limited scope of the American mainstream media)

Not to sound pompous, but here are some recent recommendations for anyone whose listening:::::

Dizzee Rascal
Jan Jelinek
Lali Puna
Deadbeat
Shadow Huntaz
DJ Dangermouse (grey album)
Fiery Furnaces
Split Shift
Infinite Livez

Jack White is probably disapointed because the White Stripes lack crossover appeal, the same Cross Over appeal that Hip Hop has. The fact of the matter is that music like what the White Stripes create is what has ruined Rock Music since the grunge invasion of 91-92.

People generally want to have a good time, they want to dance, they want escape from their dull and dismal lives. People are getting mroe and more sick and tired of listening to some rock band tell a story of their crappy lives, how dismal society is, how angry they think they can be etc... Hip hop is the opposite, it encourages having a good time, FANTASY such as having things you don't have or sex etc... This is why Hip-Hop is outselling Rock Music. It took a while, the Gangsta Rap genre had to end, but hip hop artists are smart, 100 times smarter than rock artists.

Check this out. The most popular form of music in the 80's was perhaps the Hairband stuff. Maybe the synth pop, but the hairbands stuff was top selling and the media darling of the mid to late 80's. lyrically, the stuff wasn't great it was all about having a good time and then you had the occasional ballad. The look was over the top, but they possesed an attitude that made you believe (at the time) and you felt that they were "stars". you could pick out who was in a band back then and who wasn't when you alked down the street. The music made you feel good and it was stuff that entertained you as well. Grunge came in and had a more serious approach. The lyrics were more deeper, the music was more simplistic and darker, sometimes moddier and depressing. Hip hop in the early 90's was bright and colorful, flourecent and dance clubbish then it turned over to gangsta rap. Rock was still on top, then 1999 hit and rock music starts meshing with hip hop styles and you have rap/rock. the rap/rock stuff was for the msot part performed by angry white guys who were using the same 90's mentality but rapping horribly over top of it. Next you have hip hop, realizing that "fun" sells, starts putting out singles and albums and videos that are just fun. nothing too deep, nothing artistically challenging, but stuff that sells and soon enough you have a turn around and Hip Hop is outselling Rock Music.

Who really cares if Hip Hop uses samples or programmed sounds. Jack White is a talentless guitar player who can't play more than 4 chords per song, can't solo, doesn't have a wide vocal range, the music he writes is unique in the sense it's drums, vocals and guitar, but in reality it's just early 90's grunge music without a bass player. You throw a bass player on any of the sogs and they become "ordinary" just like they really are. Not saying that Hip Hop is original or great, because it's not. Eminem in my mind is about as over hyped as Kurt Cobain, the only difference is, Eminem is Dr.Dre's puppet and Dr.Dre is the puppeteer. Eminem's music is basically crap techno beats with 50% interesting lyrics and 50% nonsense gibberish.

The bottom line is, The White Stripes have no cross ovber appeal, you won't be seeing a bunch of white and black women going to a White Stripes show ever. (Women are the life blood of music, never forget that, if yo don't appeal to them your career won't be as long lasting. Your popularity won't ever rise either). Hip Hop, not create, lyrically it's not really any good, but it has crossover appeal and suburban white kids enjoy listening to any hip hop artists more than rock bands anymore. African American kids don't listen to anything that isn't Hip Hop or r&b anyways.

In the end, Jack White is just bitter because some new crappy hip hop artist like 50 cent can come out gain more national exposure and sell more records and make more money in a few months than he can and it's all because 50 cent has cross over appeal and The White Stripes do not.

This is why Rock Music is slowly dying.

This argument is ridiculous, to even suggest that the crap passed off as music by Hip-Hop "artists" these days is music is ludicrous, that's right, "L-U-D-I-C-R-O-U-S" as opposed to a guy who chooses his name by spelling a word wrongly. If real music and popularity keeps heading towards doomsday in the way that it is, then jack should watch out in the next 20 years or so for someone calling themselves T wite strypez or some other such "I'm black, I'll spell things however I want" bollocks
Martyn Davenport III

At the end of the day Jack is making his opinion known, which the black culture doesn't like to see unless it portrays themselves in some sort of good light, it automatically becomes racism.

rock music is only "slowly dying" because of the millionaire conglomerate who has the cash to make things sounds however he likes and develops music solely to sell records, like all black genres, (R&B, Hip-Hop, Dancehall, Reggae etc) making stuff people feel they have to buy so they seem 'cool' to their friends (homies, compatriots, wherever the fuck you're from), as opposed to making genuine music that will sell records if it strikes a chord with the people who are exposed to it.

Interesting conversation here. I agree that some (not all) of the people who posted missed the point of Jack White's quote or just misread what it was conveying. He didn't say Hip Hop wasn't music. He just said "a lot of Hip Hop" has broken music down. "A lot of Hip Hop" should not be mistakenly perceived as a criticism of the genre itself in its entirety, because the same point can be made about "a lot" of metal music. What makes people so defensive, reactionary and protective of hip hop is the very thing Jack White identifies as a missing element in "a lot " of hip hop . .emotion. Love is an emotion and the hip hop that people love is the type that invokes their feelings in the first place. for example: An all time popular hip hop song filled to the brim with emotion: "They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.) by Pete Rock and C.L. Smooth. When this track comes on at a house party, in a club, a car, people close their eyes and start making declarations about what it means to them like "Yoooo, this song right here???" The sentiment conveyed cannot be ignored. Tupac's "Dear Mama" has the same effect. "All that I got is you" by Ghostface. Right? exactly! I personally don't get this feeling from songs like "Typsy" or "Game Over" or "Hotel" by the current crop of "rappers". What Jack White is saying essentially is that what has become popular in hip hop is the lowest common denominator. Now to you people who do not play instruments and just appreciate music, you will come up with all kinds of rationalizations to defend what you "thought" he was saying. Jack White is a musician so he has a different ear than the average listener. When you learn music, scales, intervals, keys, chords, etc. etc. you can see the vast and infinite sea of possible combinations of these that one can build a song with. Not having access to a formal music education, the pioneers of hip hop understood these aspects intuitively enough to do things like "Planet Rock" or "The Message". It's only until a so called "artist" gets told by a record label executive "we want you to do a Puffy-like song cause that's what's making the most MONEY in the market right now" then the creativity flies out the window-hence Jack White appears in Rolling Stong making essentially the same valid point about Hip Hop as O.C. made (10 or 11 years ago?)in "Times Up" or what KRS-One said in "My Philosphy" (16 years ago) or what Jay-Z honestly admits to as dumbing down the art just to sell to the masses. It's a fair criticism that has already come from within hip hop. It (commercialization aka wack hip hop with no emotion) has made Andre 3000 want to sing more the rhyme these days, Jay-Z retire, driven Lauryn Hill underground, and left A Tribe Called Quest in limbo. But you all knew all of this already. Some of you (not all of you) just got reactionary because a white guy said it.

Just found this site...nice job Jay...ill. I read those comment's Jack White made and I remember feeling disappointed and suprised. I've always liked the White Stripes. While they're not the most technically proficient musicians--something regarded negatively by 'Mr. Dale' on this thread---their songs always remained passionate, visceral...exploding with energy. Ironically, many of the same qualities that make hip-hop so compelling, Jack White was now dissing.

And for those who defended him earlier in this thread claiming that he was misqoted or taken out of context or some shit are flat out wrong. The essence of what Jack White said can be summed up by one quote from the article that started this thread: "There are no instruments and no songwriting. So all you are left with is storytelling and rhythm." The ignorance of this line suprised me very much. Especially coming from someone I admired and considered intelligent. Let's break it down. No instruments/no songwriting...hmmm. I've been a musician since I was a boy. I play guitar, bass, drums, piano, sample/make beats. The end justifies the means. It doesn't matter what you use to make the sound, as long as the end result is dope. Basically. Most good musicians/producers would agree with this sentiment. While growing up I never understood it when many of my long hair 'rocknroll' friends would diss hip-hop because it was 'fake', and 'electronically made'....while at the same time they were pumping their fist in the air to the latest 'electronically made' Van Halen keyboard riff.

For Jack White to have the sheer audacity to claim that hip-hop contains no songwriting or storytelling is unbelievable. My only conclusion is that he simply hasn't listened to much of it. I mean, MY GOD! The lryical complexity of Doom. The profoundity of Nas. The storytelling of Big. Has Jack White not heard Biggie Smalls?!?! He has to have. He's exactly my age (28) and even if you didn't like BIG, there was no eascaping hearing it all over MTV and radio in the mid 90's. So therefore I consider his ignorance to be disrespectful.

Also ironic is the fact that the qualities Jack considers poor in hip-hop, "so you're just left with nothing but storytelling and the beat", are also the hallmark qualities in the old blues that he so loudly claims to love. Funny. Drop on an old Son House or Charlie Patton record and that's what you're gonna hear--a rhythm getting banged out on the guitar and some singing (err..Jack...read that as "storytelling") over it. Jack White claims to love Charlie Patton; even cover's his song 'Death Letter Blues' at most White Stripes concerts. How he could dis the very HALLMARKS of the old records he claims to love completely mystifies me.

I love old blues music. Those cats didn't care what 'intstruments' they used to make music on. They used what they had access to. Some guys played guitar, some harmonica, some piano, some drums. BB King played his first music on a legnth of wire nailed to the wall. How Jack White cannot see the parallels between this and some guy making beats on a sp1200 renders me clueless.

Rant over. Peace.
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This is the resurrected zombie of the old hip-hop-is-not-music argument. Even before I liked hip-hop, I always thought there was something myopic about this stance. It is always the same in spirit, Mr. White's case being no exception.

The argument is always that there are certain elements that something must have to be complete music, and hip-hop doesn't have all of them. I have two responses to this argument in its general case. The first is that it's probably just wrong. Hip-hop, backed by good beats, can have plenty of melody and harmony and all those other good things. I have to admit that not ALL hip-hop songs have these things, but they are not disallowed. Not only that, but in my opinion some of the best hip-hop songs have tons of melody.

The underlying error committed here is to assume that hip-hop is the same as rapping. Rapping is to hip-hop what vocals (or perhaps more fittingly, guitar) are to rock. It is one element among several possible elements, including turntables, samplers, live instrumentation and singing. Hip-hop has a tendency to put rapping front and center, but then you have your DJ Shadows etc.

Not only that, but jsmooth995 makes an excellent point. Hip-hop innovates with noise and sonic textures. Of course, this is by no means unique. Electronic music a few years back was incredibly creative in creating new kinds of noises. It is worth mentioning the the Stripes are not deaf to noise; they can definitely bring it with their old-timey instruments. But I would agree that White is overlooking this dimension of music in this argument.

My second response to the hip-hop-is-not-music argument goes something like this: so? What is so important about the definition itself? The real question is: do you want to listen to it? I find that I do. I could make a strong argument that an open-minded person could probably find some kind of hip-hop music that they appreciate, if they were willing to try different things out. It's not for everyone.

I really enjoy the White Stripes, so I don't want ot dismiss Jack White out of hand. It just gets tiresome having to defend hip-hop from this old chesnut. They don't make it any easier with the crap they put on MTV. But I find myself disagreeing with a lot of Jack White's general pronouncments on music. He is a traditionalist in a way that's going to irritate a hip-hop and electronic fan such as myself. It's always annoying when someone assumes that just because they don't like something, it can't possibly have something to offer. Maybe you just don't get it? It's not the worst thing in the world. Just imagine, even rockstars may have something to learn.

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I have to agree with zinkatron in some parts here. I dont know exactly what Jack White was trying to say, but I doubt he was writing off all hip hop, just the commercial sludge that gives it a bad name, musically.

Bass noises gets disagreable after a while, its always the same thing. Except for a melodic song and such, you can have lots of different ones. I understand that noise is fun to party to, but if you've partying for 50 years, you'd hate to party again after that. But a melodic and storytelling song can stay in lots of people's minds for more than 50 years without them getting tired of it.

Jack White was right with his respond.
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Ok, don't know about that last post, but... I think a lot of "new rap" (of the MTV category) is not up to par with the Old School shit. Gangsta rap, even if it was a medium with a message, has fallen through the cracks, and changed to the point that any 50 Cent can come along and be a Gangsta. It's all about the fuckin' Benjamins isn't it. A friend of mine once said that "Rap" was his Art, and "Hip-Hop was a way of life. For all these commercial rappers nowadays, it's all lifestyle and no Art.
And just for the record... Jack White is one of the only true modern Blues artists at this moment. Most others are just a parody... enough said.

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If u don't know the basis, history or culture of a musical genre, u have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to judge the emotion evoked by the music. Jack White should stick to commenting on other artists in his genre. different types of music appeal to people from different backgrounds, i would know about as much of what gretchen wilson says in her song "redneck woman", as would jack white know what 2pac talks about in "young black male".

How dare you say young people don't respect the blues and the jazz, we do recognise it as music and we understand and respect it as much as our older counterparts understand works from Handel and Chopin. love for music comes from any genre it all comes down to how it's applied. the jazz musicians got their inspiration from other forms of music as do other forms of music get their inspiration from them.

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Hip Hop/Rap/whatever it is has devolved into the most utter garbage ever perpetrated on the human ear... try living in a neighborhood with even a 25% black population and see if you go more than 4 hours without some asshole's basspeakers causing things to move and shake and break in your house, making it impossible to read or talk to your wife or just plain think! and this post is from someone who bought an afrika bambaata record in 1982! whatever spirit, originality, musicality rap used to offer died A LONG TIME ago... now it's just a torrent of obscenity, soulless materialism, violence, mysogeny, and all-around sociopathy made by blithering idiots who've never read a book for blithering idiots who will never read a book... it's transformed nearly an entire race that used to produce america's FINEST musicians to goons and thugs that couldn't find a use for an instrument other than to beat someone over the head... and it's left youth from ALL races uneducable with minds full of mush... ah yes, many people will defend it and say marvelous things about it for years to come but i will always keep my child-like eye and point out to anyone who will listen, "the emperor has no clothes"... if anyone had told black people in 1975 this is what their culture would become in 30 years, such a person would have been dismissed as a paranoid racist... decades of lowering standards are coming home to roost like so many chickens in a coop full of droppings...

Black music in general is usually at the forefront of cutting edge music influencing and innovating Jack White is obsessed with the Blues thats his problem that was then this is now Hip Hop was and still is the last music genre to come out in ourlifetime that is worth anything. The Majors and corporations may have molded it to sell to the massses but they can never take away the legacy going all the way back to the 70's block partys of the bronx.
Jack White knows "Jack" about Hip Hop culture...

America was slow to catch onto the blues due to rascism they missed out on exploiting there black artists (which is what they do nowadays) it took some kids form liverpool and london to expose the blues the Beatles,Rolling Stones opened up White people to the blues...even Jimi Hendrix was first appreciated in a popular way in the UK.

Jack and his sister are over the music industry had there fun with this novelty act they won't be around for long.
I've always been puzzled why white people always opt to go for a cover version of black culture from Lou Reed to the Beastie Boys and now Jack White why is that?

What heartfelt story can jack tell us from his safe middleclass home...fuk it i've listened to the shite stripes and realy in actual factual to compare there music to the blues is a fukin insult theve uglified a beautiful articulate style of music.

i think all modern music is just manifested from the generations before them. jack white is talented, as a performer and a song writer.
black music in the early part of the 19th century has certainly shaped the way music has progressed to the current form it is today.
i grew up listening to Hip Hop blues funk soul Rock reggae, the lot.
isnt it funny that black people always go on about how they were slaves, and how oppressed they were - or still are - but this is how it was all born. thank god for the slaves.
personally i think they still should be. they should think there selves lucky they can even use a computer, or even read for that matter. its the white European culture that gave them any power that they now hold in this world. if you dont like it, fuck off back to the Congo and live in mud hut.

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Anyone else notice the similarities getween the Bush administration and the Borg?

"Resistance is futile! You will be assimilated into the New World Corporate Order!"

On a serious ending note, the Bush administration has just declared war on everyone else in space. I'm beginning to wonder if these clowns aren't rogue Scientologists who took L. Ron Hubbard's disgusting science-fiction vision of A future and are trying to make it THE future.

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