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June 07, 2003And Don't Forget the Brother on "Designing Women"The Washington Post weighs in on Hollywood's undying love for the Magic Negro: Too Too Divine There goes Todd Boyd again, I guess he's the latest it-boy of Black cultural punditry. There are also choice quotes from Ariel Dorfman and others. EDIT: Those of you with masochistic tendencies may enjoy the predictably boneheaded reactions to this article at fark.com. Posted by jsmooth995 at June 7, 2003 09:24 PMComments
we shant forget will smith in bagger vance. Posted by: kim at June 7, 2003 10:31 PM did "the wood" have any magical negros in it? Posted by: becca at June 7, 2003 10:42 PM and chubbs in happy gilmore! Posted by: kim at June 7, 2003 11:11 PM ugh. That whole "magical negro" concept is so annoying and overused. there's no way Queen Latifah was a magical negro in Chicago. anyone who saw it knows that. So the simple fact that she's mentioned next to that phrase makes me give it even less credence. If there were no black people at all in movies then folks would still be complainin...we're in movies folks complain cuz of the 'type' of role, i.e., Halle & Cuba...its a no win situation for black actors so fuck it. Imma play whatever role i want and let the rest of the public masturbate over whether or not i'm a magical negro *rolls eyes* Posted by: Damali at June 7, 2003 11:25 PM just makes me think of mos's lines: "I find it's distressin, there's never no in-between, we either niggaz or kings, we either bitches or queens" Posted by: elks at June 7, 2003 11:57 PM mmm I don't know about that Damali, I think there is a real issue here. I may not agree with some of the specific examples here (Morpheus is kinda iffy), but I don't see how anyone who watches Hollywood movies could deny that the Magic Negro trend is a legitimate issue that deserves more analysis. Whether Latifah's role in Chicago fits into that category doesn't prove anything, nobody claimed that film was an example of this trend. Pointing out isolated cases that don't fit does nothing to disprove the existence of a trend. I could name a dozen cases where the NYPD investigated a crime without killing any innocent people, but that doesn't mean there is no significant pattern of Blacks being murdered by police in NY. It doesn't have have to happen 100% of the time to be a significant pattern. And I definitely wouldn't agree that we should just be happy we are getting roles, no matter what they are. I think it's crucial for us to keep a critical eye on what types of opportunities we are given, how we are being portrayed and what messages are being sent (both intentionally and unwittingly). Posted by: Jay Smooth at June 8, 2003 03:46 AM Jay, I wasn't saying that the example i pointed out disproved the theory, just that to me, it gave it less credence...as if folks are grasping for straws to prove that its so rampant. And comparing the NYPD killing innocent to Blacks in movie roles seems kinda uneven to me. One is wayyyyy more important than the other. While i agree that Blacks need to be mindful of how they are portrayed and the messages that we/they are sending out, I don't feel that the Magical Negro is as rampant (or purposeful!) as some make it out to be. Blacks fill hundreds of movie roles per year...if one or two of those can be considered Magical, i'd say that isn't so bad. We also have to look at how the movie business works. Most films that feature a mostly white was not written with any black person in mind. Black actors and their agents lobby to get certain roles then if they succeed, the role can be changed to reflect the actor who was cast. I'm sure Morgan's role in Bruce Almighty could have easily been portrayed by a white person. Alanis Morissette played God in a film and no one cried out about the Magical Female. So just because a black man got the part, one who i'm sure could use the work, he's now thrust with the burden of Magical Negro. That just doesn't sit right with me. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the filmmakers because we don't know who the role was initially intended for. It isn't that the actors or the roles aren't likable, valuable or redemptive, but they are without interior lives. For the most part, they materialize only to rescue the better-drawn white characters.... am i the only one that's at a loss about why we are complaining about characters that are likeable, valuable and redemptive? The "magical negro" is never evil are they? is it me or do blacks play a myriad of different roles in films...and in addition, the "magical negro" is not the only character that isn't fully fleshed out a film..there are many in every film. there is not time to develop every character fully..edits get made..some roles are more important than others... i could go on and on with my problems with this whole thing but the bottom line is: its not that "big" of a deal compared to other problems that blacks have in the movie/entertainment industry. Somebody write a story about getting an agent. Posted by: Damali at June 8, 2003 12:41 PM and one more thing about messages we send out.. As we all know, one cannot please all of the people all of the time. An actor may choose a role thinking its not sending out any negative messages about anything, i.e. Halle in Monster's Ball...i've read many interviews and heard her on the DVD..she has no issues whatsoever with her role in that film. But we all know that many other black people do. They screaming "Tragic Mulatto" She doesn't see it that way. So who's right? Who is the all powerful one that gets to decide what message I or other black actors may be sending? Its very subjective. Sometimes Black people can be way over critical of things that other black people do. Like i said before, its often a no-win situation. Posted by: Damali at June 8, 2003 12:53 PM In the premiere episode of the now defunct fastlane, one of the finest television lines is uttered. "If you're going to play Mystic Negro, I'll buy you the robe." I love that line but it encapsulates the way black characters in "lofty positions" are often viewed. Danny Glover in Lethal Weapon, C. Epatha Markeson on Law & Order, etc. etc. ...as "The Sage" as opposed to "The Hero." Posted by: Jason at June 8, 2003 02:22 PM excuse me..."ghetto goddess"? Posted by: tllgrrl at June 8, 2003 02:27 PM by the way, in Chicago, Queen was a prison matron with some small amount of juice. no more no less. in fact, if she were on the outside, would she have that kind of power? is it even possible that in that period of time in this country, a black woman would be a prison matron? would there have been a mixed race prison? just asking. Posted by: tllgrrl at June 8, 2003 02:30 PM This article and the comments posted here give us all something to think about. As much I as I liked "Designing Women", I wondered why the only black character had to be an ex-con who these women gave a new lease on life. Posted by: james at June 8, 2003 03:27 PM what about the seemingless endless trend of the hip black guy and straight-laced white guy buddy/comedy movies? any thoughts? Posted by: pexdiggy at June 9, 2003 08:32 AM And don't forget the brother who played Benson DuBois. He played a "Magic Negro" on two shows -- Soap and Benson. Moreso on Benson.
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