i have to admit that i can't understand why jay-z is considered one of the world's best mcs. regardless of his commercial status, i just don't get the appeal. can anyone explain to me what it is about his flow that does it for them--or maybe point me to a track that shows his better side?

jay promised a pre-quel to Reasonable Doubt.........that said, this ain't it. The Black Album is a publicity stunt, which proves one thing, he's desperate. I've listened to the album a few times. My favorite cuts on the album are the two Neptune's joints, Encore, and Public Service Announcement. Those joints are hot. Everthing else is.....well, typical J. I'm not a Jigga fan, so maybe I'm biased. Much like you, I can take him in small doses. But who wants to hear somebody talk about how great they are for 13 tracks.....not me. The album is solid, not stellar, and it definitely doesn't break the mold or change the game.

hardCore - great points - after listening to a stack of Jay's records, you get to the point where calling yourself "God", in essence, is *just a bit* played out. Hell, half the people I know don't even realize who he's referring to...

In any case, I've only caught a bit of this last night, didn't have time to check the whole album. This is absolutely a big publicity stunt, and there is *no way* that Jay-Z is done for good. He's not stupid - he's obviously making money showing up on records with people, so he'll play that game for a while.

My man "Hardcore" is right. This is no prelude to Reasonable Doubt. I predicted that when I saw the producer lineup, even before it got leaked.

Plus, Jay is schitzo. In an interview with Entertainment Weekly he says that he can't go plat without mentioning the girls and diamonds. Then this month in XXL he says that the problem with hip-hop is that all the come-ups think they need to mention diamonds and girls to sell.

Yeah, I wonder where they got that idea from.

Yall some muthafuckin haters yall need to let Jay-z dick go and let him breathe of all his albums he has only had one weak one and that is the BluePrintII and only the first cd was okay but the second one was straight fire so let one of the greatest rappers bow out with no hate if you really want to know why he is the best then take a series listen to lyrical exercise off the BluePrint Album and listen to the whole BluePrint Album to recognize game And I am out

Jay-z, along with later Biggie shit, started Willieism in hip hop. The bling bling and ice stuff was all Jay. What was so cool about him doing it though was HOW he said it. "every words worth a thousand like I'm rapping through platinum teeth." If he chooses to contradict himself on occasion, so what. People grow as people and musicans and they shouldn't be discredited for that. He even critiques himself on the album, saying "I can't blame my environment for buying an expensive chain."
In addition, every track on the Black Album is tight. Some are a little more mainstream, some more personal, but they're all hot. Not one wack track there. So give it up to the most consistently nice MC in the game.

Usually after reading some of these ridiculous comments I would become irrate because of the fact that some people just can't appreciate and respect the ability of one of the greatest rappers of all time, namely Jay Z. Tell me who else has been on top of the game for their whole career? I guess there is just know way to satisfy people. The fact is that the Black Album is an instant classic, 5 mic worthy, and definitely changing the game. I know one thing, the rap game is in trouble if Hov is gone for good. Its about time all you haters give props to the GREATEST!!

"If you cant respect that yo whole perspective is wack maybe you'll love him when he fades to black."

I think that because Jay is smarter in the marketing dept. than most that he is hated on. He knows what it takes to get the money to live and then put the realest tracks on his albums. I think that he is one of the best but not the best. He has made a rags to riches story that all must envy and now that he is gone from the game who will step up to the plate???? He is an egotistical dude but if he doesn't believe in himself who else will. When he gave us his heart on Voolume 1 everyone tuned away and called it commercial and when he changed up the tracks and made some sales then he was hated again so what is the dude to do??? And all this is coming from a true to heart Nas fan.

NasFan is speakin nuthin but truth. Like Jay said, "What more can i say." What more can he say. For someone who has done everything possible in the game the Black Album is still extremely hot. He still got tricks up his sleeves. You gotta respect this guy. He made rap popular and mainstream so show love to da man.

Oh yeah and we all hatin on em becuz we aint buy the album.

These comments I've been hearing about Jay are unbelievable. Jay Z is one of the nicest MC's ever. It's definitely going to be a sad day in hip hop when he does bow out.

Thanks for the years Jay.

Ive been listening to his album for 2 days now. And as far I've listened it just keeps getting better. I don't know if I like the beats and I can't find 1 single song that could become an MTV hit..
just my .02 cents.
Overall it's a good album.

When 50 Cent says on his latest single "STUNT 101"
"I can't understand why reebok made a deal wit a psycho"

He does mean jay? is he?
if so he is a pathetic money hoe.

You missed when Jay Z rapped like Common Sense "Do you listen to music or do you just skim through it?" When Common was in his "Soul by the pound" phase of his career he had a typical early 90's flow which Jay also had if you listen to guess appaerances on Origianl Flavor Records and Jaz-O records. But I gues since you started listening to Hip Hip 2 weeks ago you wouldn't know that. Check your facts and do your research before you put them in print for all the world to see. Secondly, maybe all those damn caramels did more damage to you than you originally thought. Sure, he has had an off song (parking lot pimping) here and there or even an off album (in my lifetime vol 2) but I challenge you to find an artist who has put out more classics on a consistent basis. You, my friend have come down with a sincere case of Hateration. Take 2 doses of the Black Album and call me in the morning. OUT!!!

Like Jay said on Vol. 3-The cut with Primo-"Stop the guessing, it's hot".

Jigga is on top and has been from day 1.There's M.C.'s whom have been in the game as long as him, but they ain't been as consistent and relavant as the God-MC, him, Jay-Hova. He sets the pace, so all u hatas out dere- Buy 1 album, and u'll end up buying all. Yeah, ALL OF DEM BANGERS.1.B

Jigga is on top and has been from day 1.There's M.C.'s whom have been in the game as long as him, but they ain't been as consistent and relavant as the God-MC, him, Jay-Hova. He sets the pace, so all u hatas out dere- Buy 1 album, and u'll end up buying all. Yeah, ALL OF DEM BANGERS.1.B

The Black Album is truly a classic. Some of you who are hating it ask yourself this: 'What else could Jay have done?' He put together a great album here and if it truly is his last, he's going out on top. Great production from a variety of producers, good flow, amazing emotion shown on his tracks.

If you still aren't convinced:

"Who Y'all Know Fresher Than Hov? Riddle Me That, No One Else Is Close To Where He's Lyrically At"

-Black Album: Classic-

Jigga is the best M.C. in the game right know. It's ashame that we are going to lose him. Rap just ain't gon to be the same anymore. I can't wait for the Black Album to drop. I will be the first in line to get it. Jay is a lyrical genius. Those of you that don't agree just listen to his albums. No one will ever be as nice as him.

Dawg.... what more can I say...! This is the illest shit....ok Reasonable Doubt may be better... but get of his dick... damn he's Tha MC realize that! and if he wants to bow out...let him go...
Black Album is da shit!

Listening to the last track on the Black Album gave me a sad feeling.Hearing Jay Giving shout outs to his peoplez az he makes his exit from the rap game. He is one of the best. I'm glad Eminem worked on the album too.It's a classic album and whoever hates Jay, Hates him because he is pulling in so much money. Respect Hova , ur time in the Rap Game wuz wonderful. hope to hear from him again soon . Nuff Respect.

OK the 14 of Nov is officially a Holly-Day. The black album is so sick i had to send flowers for a "get well soon" man y'all cant hate, S.C is a lyrical God. The industrie will never be the same." IF I aint better than Big then im the closses one" true fact Jay-Z has just reached is PRIME respect the man. Without knowing it all y'all haters have atleast 1 line of Jay that u use in a dailly routine.

whoever hates Jay, Hates him because he is pulling in so much money..Posted By Slim Hova

Without knowing it all y'all haters have atleast 1 line of Jay that u use in a dailly routine.Posted By Mr.PK

Hate Must Be a Disease and you haters are in it's last stage..and to the reviewer..if u don't even concider 1 of Jay's Albums a Classic..than u truely a hater..and u shouldn't review shit..you're too biased.

The BLACK ALBUM is A NEW BLUEPRINT for HipHop, and that's beyond any REASONABLE DOUBT!!

let me say this...to enjoy this album, you would have to be a jay-z fan to begin with. this album displays a quite a few stand out tracks and for people to say jay can't rhyme..well thats more ludacris than chris bridges. "lucifer" (produced by kaNYE WEST) Is purely genius, and any real old school hip hop head has to feel the overall appeal of "99 problems". though i will say there is a few misteps, there still is enough material to make you realize this is quite an achievement on jay's part. it, however, does not live up to "reasonable doubt". but i can say this, people will have to realize nothing ever will. nas has yet to achieve an "illmatic "since. snoop will never make another "doggystyle". i will go as far to say that the if "the black abum" had to be compared to any of his other releases, it would most definetely be "blueprint" volume one. whether it is better, only time will tell. but as a fan of jay-z, and of hip hop overall...i will say im extremely pleased.

I think the Black Album is a good one. A lot of critics or non-j fans don't know much about what he's saying in his flows..most of the individuals making comments probably never listened to ALL of his albums to begin with, they just hear the radio jams that bang in the clubs. But he is a brilliant artist, and according to him he's not really rhyming just to rhyme, but his songs actually tell a story. If that's the case, then he is the best..not too many emcee's can chronical their lives through flows like Jigga..and on top of that make the clubs bump....Anyways, big up to the lyrical GOD..J-Hova..can't wait for "BLACK" Friday..."When Hov in the buildin, n*ggas launch from the door, from the front porch cuz I have no flaws" (floors, you know we East-Coast fellas don't pronounce "R's"..)

If this is Jay's last album I'm kind of disappointed cuz it could have/ should have been better. I guess I was expecting Reasonable Doubt material, but this isn't quite it. Don't get me wrong, its a good album, but the two Neptune beats are horrible and my main beef.... WHERE'S PRIMO?!?!

It goes Tupac, Biggie then Jigga

The man is undeniable talent. It irrates me to see all these haters post their comments. Stop hating on a guy cuz he makes all that money. Slickest rhymer in the game.

I just wonder how many people who sing the praises of Jay-Z venture outside of commercial media to really discover what else is out there. When Jay-Z was coming up and I was hearing "In My Lifetime" and stuff on mixtapes I knew this guy was really dope and had what it took to change the game. The result however was a mixed result. While he did do wonders for rap and help it progress into mainstream American culture as much (or more) than any artist ever, its that same leverage that hip hop holds that makes it so profitable for people to twist it and strip of its essence. At once I thought this was a necessary evil, now I'm not so sure. Sure Jay-Z is as talented as they come, but all too often recently he hasn't given nearly 110%

For all of you who talk about how he's been at the top of the game for so long... that's due to little more than money. Puffy has been close to the top for a long time as well, that doesn't make him a talented artist. Once you have the big money and powerful media conglomerates backing you, you'll sell. It just so happens that Jay-Z has more talent than Nelly, P Diddy etc... There are thousands of talented MCs that can't even compete with Jay-Z because they do not have the platform to. Listen to something like Immortal Technique or Binary Star and you would feel guilty about putting on "I Just Wanna Love You" or one of the many heartless examples of Jiggaman simply going through the motions.

Okay, let's break it down to get an easier view on this Album.
13 songs(excludin' the intro)

Arguable Less Quality Songs(the commercial shit):
Change Clothe & Go Dirt Off Your Shoulder
Allure--Them again

Songs Above Average:
99 Problems
What More Can I Say?
The Threat
Momenth Of Clarity
My First Song

Songs From Tight To CRaZEEE:
December 4th
Lucifer
Public Service Announcement
Encore

so that's 9 outta 13 that are "Good and better"
that's about three times as much as the average mainstream rapper has on their album.

this may be not, Reasonable Doubt, no it ain't Blueprint Neither..it's The Black Album..Damn It.
When Reasonable Doubt came out..critics said.."nothin'original".huh?!
when Blueprint came out, they said "Average Album", say what?
So Really it's time who can and will tell what kinda Album this one is...
We Mourn that we lost Great Mc's like Pac,Big, Big L, And Big Pun.
Be happy that there's still one alive,Makin'History..makin the game more interestin'..Don't wait till he's gone to say:"hey, that dude was kinda amazin'..
think'bout it.

Jay-Z is the hottest rapper ever. His punch lines are magnificent and the use of metaphors, imagery, ect. in his rhymes are used in a way no other rapper has come close to. He has a way of appealing to the commercial side of rap, and still keeping his raps hood and in touch w/ the streets. For the people that can relate to growing up in the hood and going through the struggle really feel Jay-Z, he draws listeners a picture w/ his words in a way never preceded. Listen to Jay-Z's songs. Listen to Jay's old shit, Come and Get Me-Vol. 1, listen to his new shit, Its On-Chaingang Vol.2, he always has been and always will be hot. And its not a track on the Blueprint thats not hot.

For everyone out that has one bit of hatred in their heart towards jigga, just go out their get any album the man has came with and just listen. Jay describes everything to you clear as day. Ain't another mc alive today that has a way with worlds like Jay. Meet the Parents just shows you that when Jay is in his mood no one will ever be able to touch him. Any one hating on this man is out of their mind, for nine years he has dropped nothing but heat. Get a clue. The black album is just more heat and Jay will go down in my book as the greatest of all time. 1

jay made a true hip-hop album for his fans who have been with him since day one...

Undeniable talent to say the least, hov will be missed by many, myself especially...as corny as it sounds, he has touched my life in more ways than I can count...

I really feel bad for those people out there who have just heard what jay has put out on the radio and videos because they will never truly understand what jay is really about, nor will they appreciate his lyrical talents...

With only a few throwaway tracks, the black album is at best, behind the blueprint and reasonable doubt, but a classic nonetheless... I would describe it as a sort of hybrid between his two best albums...

If jay really left the game, I've got mad respect for him - he went out with a bang, and an album for his true hip-hop fans...but if it turns out that he can't quit the rap game, that would be even better.

my rating 8.8/10

okay..i see you guys are discussing this "fade to black" that jay-z supposedly has dropped to be his final album. i work for the promotions department here at universal records. im not an a&r, or anything special. i am a runner(basically a "gopher"). but in my everyday work, i sometimes get into casual conversations with record label honchos, a&r's, etc...i will not profess to be the biggest jay-z fan..but i thought the following would be interesting to know.."The Black Album" is technically not jay-z's last album...sometime next summer (the word around here is mid-july)..jigga will drop another album that will consist of some his tighter collabos, unreleased material, and 4 to 5 new songs..in the vein of NAS "lost tapes" album.
the album is tenatively tittled "THE ENCORE: roc-a-fella records presents FEATURE PRESENTATION"..the marketing ploy will be, dame dash releases this without jigga's approval, because he felt the public demanded it. so on and yadda yadda..i was given a tenative tracklist from one of the a&r's in the office.
this could be total bullshit for all i know..but it sounds very legit and has actually came from more than 3 reliable sources at the def jam offices in new york and an a&r at the los angeles office.

1."renegade" featuring eminem prod. by eminem

2."4 alarm blaze" feat. m.o.p prod. by dj premier

3."one minute man" feat missy elliott, ludacris produced by timbaland, co produced by big tank

4.*"lobster and scrimp"(rmx) feat. skillz, timbaland
prod. by timbaland

5.*"sneakers and jeans" feat. 50 cent prod. by red spyda

6.*"stop"(rmx) feat. bubba sparxxx prod. by
timbaland

7."big pimpin" feat. ugk produced by timbaland

8.*"casualties of the hustle" feat. notorious b.i.g
prod. by younglord

9.*"as good as it gets" feat. big l, camron
prod. by dj premier

10.*"stand up" (rmx) feat. ludacris produced by kanye west

11."is that yo bitch" (original version) feat. twista prod. by timbaland

12.*"platform" feat. phonte of little brother
produced by 9th wonder

13."aint no nigga"(rmx) feat. lil kim
produced by ski

14."this cant be life" feat scarface, beanie sigel
prod. by kanye west

15.*"still(auto)matic" feat.daz dillinger produced by scott storch(dr.dre)

16."money aint a thang" feat jd produced by jermaine dupri

17. "change the game" feat. beanie sigel, memphis bleek prod. by rick rock

18.*"hovi baby" (rmx) feat. twista, xzibit prod. by just blaze

19.*"early morning" feat. d'angelo prod. by dj premier

disc 2
20.*"get by"(rmx) feat. talib kweli
prod. by kanye west

21.*"brooklyn's finest"(rmx) feat, notorious b.i.g remix produced by just blaze

22."5 minute freestyle" feat. funkmaster flex
prod. by dj clue & ken "duro" ifill

23.*"fade to black" feat. dr. dre
prod. by dr. dre & focus

24."money, cash, hoes" feat. dmx produced by swizz beats

25.*"that aint it" feat. bonecrusher
produced by 9th wonder

i guess we will see

SEE WHAT YOU KATS OR THE NONE BELIEVING ONES THAT IS, DON'T OVERSTAND IS THAT IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT QUALITIES THAT COMPOSE A TOP NOTCH MC........DELIVERY, THE ABILITY TO ADAPT TO OTHERS TECHNIQUES WHEN PAIRED UP AS A FEATURED GUEST ON A TRACK,VERSATILITY, THE ABILITY TO STICK TO THR SUBJECT FOR THE DURATION OF THE SONG. THE ABILITY TO SPEAK ON NUMEROUS TOPIC'S ONCE AGAIN STICKING TO THE SUBJECT MATTER. JAY-Z ACCOMPLISHES ALL OF THESE QUALITIES. LISTEN TO HOW HE TAKES YOU FROM BEING A STREET KATT TO A CORPORATE MC VERBALLY, PICTURES SO VIVID YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE YOUR SELF IN THE SCEEN. LISTEN TO JAY WITH AN OPEN MIND AND MAYBE YOU'LL ADVANCE FROM SOLDIER TO GENERAL. P.S IT'S OBVIOUS THAT SOME JUST AREN'T MEAN'T TO BE LEADERS THATS WHY THEY FOLLOW. FOR THOSE FOLLOWERS, WE HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON AND I CAN SEE WHY YOU WOULDN'T FEEL HOV!!!!!!!!BE EASYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!BORN GOD...........

I have yet to hear the black album because i chose to wait for the official release. so i cannot coment on it. but what i can talk about is jiggas long lasting effect on hip hop. lets face it no one has ever been this consistant comercial and quality wise EVER in hip hop.I mean the thing that still continues to impress me about hova is his ability to change rhyming styles like an outfit(nigga what niga who,snoopy track,hovi baby).not to mention his excelent body of work.
lets face it all in all Jay-z is the greatest rapper of all time.the mj of the game and no lebron or kobe can replace him

that was a good review. when my friend sent me the song, and he quoted jay's line about kweli, the should be undisputed greatest rapper alive. i was like "if jay could be like kwa, he wouldve" but thats a lil harsh for a guy whos had great success and some fo real club bangers. hes not great though, not in the tupac and biggie way. if it were basketball, jay would be an all star, rememberes as a great, a gary payton. tupac and biggie were legendary, jordan and wilt. kweli is an elgin baylor, a legend who didnt get enough exposure. you get the idea. jay-z has been a lil hyped by his new york counterparts- go to the west coast, u'll here more pac than jay. thats just how it is. he a publicist, a money maker, he recognizes it, it obviously doesnt bother him much, why cant we just say it? it will be interesting to see if its his last album, because it sounds to me like hes trying to create a following, he wants to become a legend, w/o the dying. the best stuff around has NOT been coming from jay, not saying he aint talented, but he chose his side, and because he tries to recompense it, on his LAST album, means he either didnt care to be a kweli or common, or couldnt be. he early stuff hinted, but he never made it. and if he did pull a kweli, would y'all be riding his album and leaving so hard? doubt it. the great ones dont retire, dont leave the game, they cant, because the great ones love it, they dont use it. think of it this way, if tupac were a white kid from the suburbs, he would have a nobel prize, biggie wouldve been a poet laureate, and jay... jay wouldve been justin timberlake...

reply to "thebestleft", I Bet 10 Pac Albums that the only stuff u've listen from Jay is the "club bangers"...Pac was gonna retire, but that u didn't know..so actually u contradictin'yourself..was Pac the best?cuz u said the best don't retire..

I agree that Pac and Biggie are of the best..but comparin Jay-Z to timberlake than u talkin shit my friend...if Jay-Z was white..he woulda been Frank Sinatra..did this game his fuckin'way..peace

hip hop is a very complex industry so you cant say bigie was the best because he had the best flow or pac was the best because he was a great writer or einem is the best because of his complex flow and originality. The Greastest has to be great in all categorys. Jigga has earned exceptional marks in all areas in hip hop.he has the
perfect blend of rhymeskills,witty lines,delivery,style, cockyness and humbleness.

No one has held it down for so long. no one has made so many great albums. no one has Made more hot tracks. no one Has more rhyme styles.No rapper has done what he has done in the buisness world. because of jigga every rapper wants to start their own label. every rapper wants a clothing line. every rapper wishes they could have half the street cred and commercial succes. jay-z has his hands in every aspect of hip hop culture.He is the greatest rapper of all time.

(ps congrats to p-diddy for completing that marathon)

Ok listen up. Jay's the best ever. Let me guess all you haters out their like eminem and 50 cent and our big Pac fans yeah yeah yeah blah blah blah. You people need to think for yourself and stop letting the media tell you who you think is the best. If you don't like jay then fine, but your missing out. If ya'll get a chance to listen to "Lucky Me" and still don't like Jay. Then you got a problem.

That pac guy that gets his dick sucked by every wannabe rap fan in the world, always talks about how much of thug he was. Well he probbably was, but for christ sake he used to back up dance for humpty. He went from a back up dancer to hardcore thug. Bitch went from Hammer to the Block. When Jay was pushing wait trying to survive Pac was doing the cabbage patch. I'm not taking anything from the man though. He's one of the greats. The greatest? No way.

Look I've been listening to Jay along time. He took me from the Pearl Jam's and Pink Floyds and brought me back into rap. (In My Life time). I am an avid music fan. I like something from every genre, but when it comes to hip hop. I don't get no better then Jay-Z.

I bet all of you out there who says Jay only raps about money or bitches have a 50 cent album in your car right now. Whats he rap about? Between all his lyrics about how many times he got shot are lyrics about money or bitches. It's what almost every mc raps about. Unless your Andre 3000 and even he has songs about his bling and his guns and so does Talib Kweli, common sense, mos def, and all the back packers. Who can blame them, most came from nothing and now they got more then they have ever dreamed. So let'm rap about it. Just don't base your opinion about Jay on the fact that he only raps about money and bitches.

So for all you people who have no idea about this man's intelligents I have made a list of songs you need to hear. Just off the top of my head. By the way if Jay was dead he'd already be considered the greatest ever. All you haters would jump right on his dick like you've been on it forever. Any way check these songs out

Lucky Me
Where I'm from
D'Evils
Feelin it
Soon you'll understand
Song Cry
regrets
Track 14 on Vol. 1 (you must love me) amazing
Heart of the city
The Blue Print (The Blue Print)
This can't be life
The intro to the dynasty (infact all his intro's are unparrallel)
Come and get me
Can't knock the Hustle
Anything
Dope man
Dynasty album Track 16
Can I live

Look I'd could go on forever, but check these songs out and I guarantee you change your opinion.

Trade Man

dont get me wrong jay hot, and i would accept him as a top 5 emcee, top 5 rapper all in all, but the greatest? his retiring thing is a joke, we all know he wont retire, its more for people to talk about his legacy and shit, come on even dead rappers cant stop having "new" music dropped every year. And about pac, pac wasnt gonna retire, he was gonna get away from suge, and he was never a backup dancer for dig underground, he did shit with dig, but whatever, ur point was? i thought we talking about skills, and if skills sold, truth be told, would he really be kweli? cuz thats my point, if his skills were kweli's hed sell 'em. and i have heard a lot more than club bangers, thats what i figured most people ever hear than jay, and probably thats gonna be legacy. and that post above was right, timberlake was rough, sinatra was a lil better, but hes still just a pop icon, not a legend. honestly though, we all are already set in what we know, so aint nuthin here gonna sway you either way. i just agree with the review, it his "last" album, and hes tryin to make amends, but why should he?

1. Interlude
-Whatever, used to jay-z opening up his albums with one to two minuts of fire this interlude is kinda ho hum didly dum

2. December 4th
Epic sounding classic. Jay probably trying to reach out to the personal trials and tribulations lyricism that made "you must love me" a stand out. however this sounds more like a coronation and immediately sets the tone that this may be his last album.

3. What More Can I Say
Another old school production track. I like the intro with the Gladiator sample but if your gonna intro yourshit like that then the follow up must be "mj's last shot versus the jazz sick" and this just aint that. Not a bad song but take the intro made me wnat more. here we have a chance for nas to say some shit like yeah i used your sample you was using it wrong.

4. Encore
Mixed fillings on this track since again, like december 4th it sounds like a farewell. Want the 411? Its about one minute 11 seconds to long. On its own it really does not STANDOUT but on a good album like this it doesnt play as filler material.

5. Chang Clothes
Guess jay has'nt forgoten bout his female fans. Apparently that is probly the only reason this track is on this album right thurr. Not bad if your in the mood. but after the first 3 tracks and intro this is like a commercial that you
tolerate out of respect.

6. Dirt Off Your Shoulder
ill Timbo beat that outshines Jay-z's lyrics. If any song so far needs to be remixed with a guest appearance (lil jon instead of jay-z on chorus maybe) its this one. Jay doesnt quite carry it all tha way. The reason I say that is the beat has "Damn", Youngbloodz potential but the chorus lacks energy.

7. Threat
Jay and 9th gotta do some more shit together. Cuz this track and jays flow blend 2gether so seamlessly. "yow niggaz is targets, your garages for bullets please don't make me park it in your upper level, vallet a couple sprays from the 38 special, nigga, god bless ya" damn hate to quote violent lyrics but man is this shit liquid smooth or what?

8. Moment of Clarity
Lets call Eminem a dre clone cuz thats essentially who his tracks sound like. Either way he does it well and this track is renegade level tight. if u listen close enough you can here his voice in the background on the chorus. I wonder if jay was afraid of being outshined by Em on this track. AM not saying lyrically em was better on renegade but his shit sounded better than jay's am sure some of yow out thurr know what am sayin. Overall a good listen.

9. 99 Problems
Can't review this song. its just some fun shit. Better rock fusion than that last kravitz/jigga cut.

10. PSA (name is hov)
most average uninspired track on the album. luckily the song's lyrics are hot and the fade out to a PSA lady sayin shit is hot too.

11. Justify My Thug
thought that the beat sounded a little to much like some michael jackson track that came out recently. funny shit, dj quick sampling michale jackson tracks. sounds like a rushed song cuz it does not all come together like jigga songs usually do.

12. Lucifer
Kanye u got it together dawg. This track is sick. Jay' complements it tightly. But at this point i wanna heare jay talk about something besides hiself know am sayin?

13. Allure
tight lyrics cashmere thoughts feel to it. thank god pharell aint on it. very easy listening.

14.
A standout track hot as fuck. Don't tale this shit out tha cd case without your mittens. By far the best shit on the album. jay doing that jiggga what jigga who type of flow on another fittin track.

there u got it. my unofficial thoughts on black album track by track. wanna holla atcha boy bout the tracks. AIM ---> Pimpnrun

I dont know what people doing reviewing the album when it isnt even out. I am sure that the version on the net is not a hundred percent accurate. However I have downloaded it myself and really dont have any complaints. I think it will be a great album. I largely judge albums by whether I can listen to the whole thing without skipping any tracks and it definately passes that test. This album comes with strong flows and lyrics and a good variety of beats. But more importantly most of the tracks are just fire. I was going to try and pick my favorites but realized that the list just gets too big. I think this album is definately close to the level of The Blueprint which I think is one of the best Rap Albums ever. I also cant understand ppl who dislike Jay-Z. I mean I can understand if he isnt your personal favorite but it is stupid to deny the fact that he is one of the best MCs ever if not the best.

really i know all y'all jay-z haters will say the things u have said before and the most interesting thing is that whether u are a Nas fan or not nigger, by now you should've grown and realised that jigga is tha better emcee except your hatred is so blinded.Take a minute and ask your self which other rapper who came to the game in 1996 is still as hot as jigga and still makin number one hits as him.What more can he say, what more do y'all want him to do.I can boast of havin listen to the songs but from "what more can i say" and "change clothes" u dont need to be told who he really is,.There is no motherf**kin emcee who could compare his game now do jigga except for some of those who passed way y'all know whadda mean

All you fucking internet critics who didn't buy the album and sit there with your mp3s reviewing guy can stuff it. You don't even deserve the opportunity to give your opinion.

All you fucking internet critics who didn't buy the album and sit there with your mp3s reviewing guy can stuff it. You don't even deserve the opportunity to give your opinion.

G, here's a newsflash for you: EVERY review you've ever read in any magazine or newspaper was written by somebody who got the album for free. The only difference here is we are not GETTING paid to give our opinion.

Y'all need to know that Jigga's been the man since reasonable doubt and to stay consistant the way he has is a tough job in itself. The Black Album is gonna be a classic like The Blueprint. Like Blueprint, it's an album that's gonna get better each time you listen to it. This being his last album is hard for me to believe and I know in time he will release a one off ep or suttin. There is only one big name in hip-hop that really is the don and that is Jigga. You just need to check his ho and you'll see it ain't just the fella's who have respect. ROC 4 LIFE!

First of all when 50 cent said I cant believe Reebok did a deal with a psycho, he's actually talking about himself. If you listen to 50's cd's you would know he calls himself the bad guy and also metions even my mom knows somethings wrong with my head. His image is the crazy tough street guy, it hekped him sell 8 million records so 50 keep doing you. Back to Jay-z I've downloaded the Black Album on the Internet andf this album is hotter then Reasonable Doubt and Reasonable Doubt is a classic. The only problem i have with this album is Jay didnt use his fast Fu-Shitzen flow like he had around 1993,94,95, and 96. The reason why Jay-z's flow was crazy fast and rode the beat so well back then was because he actually wrote his rhyme. But he was making money off that flow so he switched it up then he started getting those platinum plaques. If you have Kazaa download a song called Can't get with that or go to defjam.com to see the I Cant Get with That video youll see the Fu-Shtiken flow Jay-z had back in 94, 95, and 96. The Black Album is better if not equal to Reasonable Doubt, I just hope the album has 6 or 7 hidden bonus tracks at the end for old time sakes.

p.s.

If you started listening to hiphop in the 2000's then your whole perspective is wack maybe you'll understand Jay-z after he fade to black.

Jay-z rapped so fast back then because he use to write his rhymes but he wasnt making that much money off that flow because it wasa going over peoples head. The reason why Jay-z is the G.OA.T. ( greatest of all time) is because once he hears a beat he can spit a whole track in a minute. Why dont you people hating on Jay-z try to stop listening to the beats, forget Primo hip hop is about the lyrics, do you cowards listen to music or do you just skim through it.

Jay-z dosent write his lyrics he makes them up as he goes along that what makes him such a lyrical genius. And I agree with Steve rap is about lyrics not beats, dont get me wrong beats help but just cause Primo aint on dont mean nothing, I've downloaded the album and its fire thats why I'm buying the album this Friday. Since the rest of you are using Jay-z's verses to end their comments heres my favorite Jay-z verse. If you dont where your vest today, then tommorrow, we'll be like damn we were just with him yesterday.

You posers dont understand hip hop. Theirs a couple of great rappers out there. And if you have 1,2,3, or 4 albums you cant be one of the greats. So Eminem cant be a great he has 3 albums, 50 cent cant be a great he has 2 albums ( and guess whos back was a half-way album), Nas is ok but hes inconsistent Illmatic is a classic then evertything else Nas put out was half-ass. Stillmatic was about destroying and Rebuilding and it had about 4 solid tracks. Gods Son was about peace and it had 4 solid tracks, Black Album is a classic all the songs he spits venom, but i also wish he wouldve used his 93 flow that flow was serious. If you wanna hear why hes the God MC download the 7 minute freestyle with Jay-z and Big l, then you know why the called him J- Hova by the way J- Hova means Jehovah and Jehovah is God. Hope that wasnt above your level. 1

Theres only a couple of greats and most of them are dead or to old or not selling like they should Biggie,Jay-z,Rakim,Big L,Tupac,Nas. And Nas barely made that list because hes tiught every blue moon or so. The Black Album is tight work this is better then Blueprint and Reasonable Doubt. Not one bad track I hope it has bonus tracks or a bonus cd with extra tracks. I hope Jay only retire for a year cause he was the only rapper holding it up right. Remember when hip hop was becoming so bland only 1 hue, then a Saviour showed himself and he dropped Reasonable Doubt. Without Jay-z this is the 1st step of the demise of hip hop unless Beanie Siegal the future step up, cause I know Nas cant do it. Jay-z I hope this is a vacation not retirement cant wait to buy the album. I already downloaded the album to see if it was hype or a classic. And the Black Album is a classic.

Rocafella 4 life, Jay-z this better be a vacation, you aint alllowed to retire, Jay-z aka Young Hova aka Vito aka Hov the Hustler aka Ghangas Kahn of Rap aka the God mc aka the best rapper alive. To quote Jay-z CANT LEAVE RAP ALONE THE GAME NEEDS ME.

and nigga's been prayin to GOD so long that they athiest. Where I'm from one of if not my favoriate jay songs. Jay is a poet trapped in the mind of a brilliant buisness man. Give the man his respect. He could of probbably come out before 96 and got beat in his head by A&R's.....but no not Jay. He waited, sat back, and saw the snakes in the grass. Then started his own lable. Did it his way.

Lil Jon did I hear you say lil jon and Jay-Z in the same sentence. Son you better grow up. Lil jon's good for the girls and the yougsters, but Jay-Z makes grown up music. He's like a rap comic. His shit's popular, but it's a joke. December 4th is brilliant, definately of epic proportion.

Your right Jay is a pop Icon. No doubt about it. I guess Tupac and Biggie aren't pop Icons. No, not at all that's why their life stories are on VH1 like every other week. So who would you compare them to. Madoona, Michael Jackson, or perhaps Little Richard. Come on you incompetent fucks get a clue. It's all about the sales, it's all about the fame. Jay-Z wants to be considered a pop Icon who wouldn't. Tell me eminem doesn't. That's why he makes them funny little kid songs like My name is and Stand up. )Don't get me wrong shits hot, but it's more for the kids or the radio I should say. So to say Jay is a pop ICON yeah your right, but who isn't. Let me guess you listen to some real underground shit don't you. Well believe me man their feening like that old boy down your block for some hard, to be where Jay is. They to wish to be Pop Icons some day. Here's a list of my favorites.

Jay-Z
Jim Morrison
Pearl Jam
Pink Floyd
OutKast
Easy-E (The best dead MC)
Frank Sinatra

"If I shoot you I'm brainless If you shoot me your famous"

Trade Man

iIT'S AMAZING YA'LL HATE ON SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN AS POPULAR AND CONSISTENT AS JAY. MOST RAPPERS HAVE A FEW GOOD ALBUMS THEN FALL OFF...NOT ONLY HAS HOV HAD GREAT OR AT LEAST ACCEPTABLE ALBUMS DURING HIS CAREER HE HAS DONE IT WITH UNCANNY RETURN TIME, ALMOST AN ALBUM A YEAR AND IT WAS STILL HOTNESS!! HIS SKILLS ARE UNQUESTIONABLE (EVEN IF HIS SOMETIME LIMITED SUBJECT MATTER IS), HIS FLOW IS HOT TO DEATH, THE ARROGANCE THAT ALL RAPPERS SHOULD HAVE IS THERE AND HE HAS HELD IT DOWN EVA SINCE. BIGGIE AND TUPAC ARE CERTAINLY GREAT BUT THEY DIED BEFORE THERE TIME AND WE'LL NEVER KNOW HOW EITHER OF THEIR CAREERS WOULD STILL BE IF THEY WERE STILL AROUND (THEY POSSIBLY COULD HAVE FALLEN OFF BY NOW TOO)...JAY HAS FORTUNATELY BEEN AROUND AND CONTINUES TO WEAR THE CROWN AND GOT SEXY AZZ BEYONCE ON HIS SIDE TO BOOT. ALL HAIL THE CURRENT KING!!!! FADE TO BLACK!!!

Da Black album is the best shit out there. please go get urself an original copy . if you dont got money go ask for it take it lend ,borrowed wit iinterest . this should be heard by the world there is no resson any1 should hav a copy of this Album . If this album doesn't get 5 mics sumthin is wrong . play dis shit every night and day rememba da lyrics by heart cuz the streets is not only watchin they hearin too. Novemba 14 da Black Album in stores .

Absolutely Right Liksten to these guys. They know what their talking about. The Black Album is a classic and if the real version is the same then my new list will be

Vol.1
The Black Album
Reasonable Doubt
The Blue Print
Vol.3
Vol.2
Streets is Watching SoundTrack
The BluePrint 2

Dynasty (Greatest intro ever) Thoght Early this morning should have been released on the Blue Print 2 as the Intro to disc 2. You know on the gift he opened up the "A Dream" what a concept it would have been if opened up the curse waken up from the dream with "Early this morning" should have let me on the creative team for that one. Actually I think Jay can handle it. like jason kidd.

To kill a motherfucker die bleeding is nothing, but you kill a motherfucker die breathing then your saying something-Jay

Holla!
Trade Man

you jay-z hataz need to stop waking up on his dick and eat some breakfast first... this is a man who has carried hip hop on his back for 7 whole years after we were robbed of biggie and tupac..he is the most consistent rapper if not musicain ever..year after year he hits us in the head with his truths of the game...there is jay-z and then theres everyone else....instead of camparing his albums to everyone elses i find myself comapring his albums to his other albums hahahaha.....no one has done it betta..im gonna miss u hov...and cop that black album folks cuz its the closest thing to an audio version to jayz's life then we are gonna get..1

Man, I cant beleive what i am hearing. Jay-Z is one of the greatest, and he is the greatest thats still alive. The reason Jay-Z is so good is because his style is so clever, he makes you think while listening to his album. One of them MC's that make u rewind his shit so u can understand just what he was talkin bout,(man u niggas aint start out of your trunk to reach the roof just to put your roof in your trunk). Thats all im sayin, Holla back

AT THE END OF THE DAY JAY IS THE BEST BECAUSE OF HIS ABILITY TO CONSISTENLY PUT OUT STELLAR MATERIAL. WAS BP2 A MISSTEP YES BUT THE BRILLIANCE WAS STILL THERE. IF ONE IS JUDGED BY RADIO SINGLES THEN NAS SUCKS AND NELLY IS THE GREATEST EVER.IF YOU ARE A STUDENT OF THE GAME THEN YOU KNOW THAT J HAS BEEN FLOSSY SINCE 94/95 WHEN NAS WAS STILL GRIMEY. PEOPLE MISCONSTRUE THE TRUTH FOR THEIR OPINIONS. GO VERSE FOR VERSE HIS AGAINST ANYONE ALBUM FOR ALBUM, CUT FOR CUT AND SEE WHO IS DOPER. THE BLACK ALBUM IS NOT WHAT HE SAID IT WOULD BE BUT NEITHER WAS LIFE AFTER DEATH CHECK THE LOST INTERVIEW BY BIGGIE IN XXL FROM MARCH THE END PRODUCT IS NOTHING LIKE WHAT HE STARTED OUT TRYING TO MAKE.

IF NOT JAY-Z THEN WHO????
do u people realise that tupac i droppin yet another album and a movie yes a MOVIE! AND NO CARES
Wwho else in rap today with the exception of eminem(because he's a white rapper) can draw this much attention.
if u still dont get it nas ja rule and dmx also said that these were their last albums but no body gives a shit because they do not hav the personality the drive or the skills that jayz has
HE IS THE GREATEST OUT RIGHT NOW N WHEN HE RETIRES HE WILL BE AT LEAST NUMBER 2 ALL TIME (2ND ONLY TO TUPAC)

Give the man the respect he deserves
where was nas when hip hop need him he was makin shit like i am and nastradamus when jayz was makin classics like vol 3 and the dynasty he help rap up when there was no one else
The man is the best out now and to top it off he did it on his own. he built his shit up from the ground
lets go Song fa song jayz is the illest nigga doin this til yol prove me wrong

question? if i listen to kweli and jay-z do i contradict myself? or am i just open enough to hear that both these artist give me something to take in when i listen. if u got love for jay than keep that love and if u don't, no need to hate. i've been listening to jay since reasonable doubt, and i got mad respect for dood. he has the mainstream knowledge, and knows how to sell records. jay has never made his fans wait or wonder when the next album would drop. and then when it does drop its always heat...u figure an average mc drops an album and about 4 out of 12 tracks can u actually feel. but jay got it to where u probably won't feel like 1 or 2. so for the haters go cop reasonable doubt - blue print 2 and pick up that s.carter the collection mixtape and bring a pen and pad, to take notes and listen...like jay has said before..." its just food for thaught, you do the dishes..."

I see this has come a long way, opinions turning into arguments. Now, to set the facts straigh't. I don't know much about shoppin' rocks or the hottest hiphop rockin spots, but i do know what selling is. I just need more instumentals but if any of us had studio time like it was college credit hours, we'd all have better albums than This! Moment of Clarity: I wanted to hear my sub pounding, but where was the Bass lines? Its 2004, there is no brotherley-love no more.

I represent Ohio State University, and I've heard of Bow Wow tracks that are more compelling to thy ears. Maybe the dank in the pipe wasn't cherrin, Fuck Jay-Z, pass me the weed i'mma put my ashes out on this chunk.

Don't make babies cause you is LAME. SO LAME. Hand the crown to Nas, and go sip on some Crown because you got us all Down.

Minithin: if i dont blow up, i'll just grow up.

oh, and for those who don't know. Don't get it twisted. Who's next? I've been working on pure underground tracks. I wanna keep hearing Pacewon diss Eminem like Royce did. Hear "rap muzic" or however its spelled. Fuck obie trice too. He gotta deal cause he was freestyling in front of Em's limo. And then the rabbit jumped on his dick.
ONe Time for your mothher fuckin mind.
He RUSHED on this album and so did Obie Trice with Cheers. God bless Kazaa.

Jay's been talkin' about retiring since "Reasonable Doubt", but actually began envisioning his idea during the promotion of his "Vol. 3...". Who besides me remembers The Source interview where he promises "no singles, no promotion, just an album, that's it"? But Jay's no dumb nigga, he knows what sells and what doesn't. But think about it, wouldn't the following have been an iller swan song for Jigga (I don't care what anyone says, he IS the greatest rapper alive) than the bootleg floating around now? We all know that everything Jay spits on "The Black Album" is butter, but production-wise and concept-wise it could've been better. This is all speculative based on the interviews I've read over the years about Jay's original concept for the album, what I know he is capable of as an artist, and what I believe other people would agree with me on. Peep:

Jay-Z, "The Black Album" (that should've been)

01 - "Intro" Instead of the "ho-hum-diddly-dum" intro on the bootleg, the album begins with incessant rambling from Pain In Da Ass, who's been absent from Hov's last three (solo) albums. After his "Okay, I'm reloaded!", a SICK-ASS (and I mean, why-the-hell-has-he-not-worked-with-him-since-1999 sick) DJ Premier beat, with Jay rappin' some requisite braggadocio, comes in a la "Vol. 1"'s "A Million & One Questions/Rhyme No More" and "Vol. 2"'s "Hand It Down". True hip-hop heads and Jay-Z fans alike would pee their pants.

02 - "December 4th" As far as I'm concerned, this introspective tracked helmed by Just Blaze can stay, as it is indeed the perfect backdrop to a Jay-Z on the brink of retirement. "...all the teachers couldn't reach me / And my mama couldn't beat me / Hard enough to match the pain of my pops not seein' me" just scratches the surface of the impact the song has on the LP, and I wouldn't change a thing.

03 - "What More Can I Say" Let's be honest: the song's production is sick; its usage of the same sample Tracey Lee and the Notorious B.I.G. used for "Keep Your Hands High" as well as one of B.I.G.'s lines from the same song YET AGAIN being quoted by Jigga ("them rings and things you sing about, bring 'em out") is terrific, but what the hell was Jay thinking with letting whoever the hell it was sing the hook? What a piss-poor job! For this song, I would've let Rell step up to the mic and sing the chorus. It's not like he'd be breaking his no-one-besides-me-is-going-to-be-on-the-album rule: Pharrell pops up TWICE (which, to me, is poor judgment on Jay's part: too much of a good thing can be a bad thing, get it?) on "The Black Album"'s prototype.

04 - "Encore" Let it be said that Kanye West is doin' his muthafuckin' thing right now. This track, however, is not what I've come to expect from him. It would be hella better without the silly chanting of "Hova" by the crowd, but lines like "...'cause the shit I uttered / Is utterly ridiculous / How sick is this?" more than make up for what could've been an utter disaster by Kanye & Jay.

05 - "Change Clothes & Go" Should NOT be on the album. Ever. Fits more at home on "The Blueprint 2", but where in the world does it belong on an album that was supposed to re-spark the same fire seen on "Reasonable Doubt"? I'll answer this one: it DOESN'T. A better title for this would've been "Excuse Me Miss 3 (Excuse Me Yet Again, But...)". Don't get me wrong: Pharrell and Chad are the hottest producers in the biz right now and, quite frankly, I love 'em. But I think I speak for a lot when I say that I don't want to remember Hov' as having poor tastes in beats. Instead, replace with "Early This Morning", adding an extra verse of sorts.

06 - "Dirt Off Your Shoulder" "You're now tuned into the muh'fuckin' greatest." We know, Jay. Good track from Timbo, plus Jay is spittin' at his finest so, I wouldn't change a thing.

07 - "Threat" 9th Wonder's interpolation of R. Kelly's "A Woman's Threat" is sick, sick, sick. Makes you wonder, though, seeing how Jay and R. don't work together anymore, but...this track is definitely a keeper. However, I'd do without the pseudo-thug who talks so annoyingly on the track, as it takes away from "Threat"'s credibility. Hard to believe that Jiggaman will "put that knife in ya' / Take a lil' bit of life from ya'" when what sounds like Ezell the crackhead from "Friday" is talkin' all stupid. Let's do without him, eh?

08 - "Moment Of Clarity" Like I may have said earlier (or maybe I haven't yet, shit I dunno) everything Jay spits on the album is golden. His flow, subject matter, nothing that JAY-Z SAYS is garbage. The production on this track, however, is. Whoever told Em that he was a good producer must have been suckin' a little too hard on his you-know-what, because this mediocre beat is right up there (or down there, depending on how you look at it) with other Dre-esque beats as Obie Trice's "Love Me", Xzibit's "Don't Approach Me" and "Say My Name", and the bulk of "The Eminem Show". In my opinion Eminem, the second-greatest rapper alive, should stick to rapping. Speaking of Slim Shady, how did the illest MC ever go from spittin' lines like "I'm sicker than Boy George / Picturin' Michael Jackson in little boy's drawers / Shoppin' at toy stores" to his gangsta-impostering "I got 50 Cent, I got G-Unit / D-Tweezy in this bitch, wit Obie Trice!"? Personally, I prefer the pre-1999 backpacking Slim Shady to the post-"Marshall Mathers LP" 2Pac-imitating Eminem any day. But alas, I digress. Anyway, this track should've been left up to the Good Doctor himself. Diagnosis: change producers.

09 - "99 Problems" Jay over rock guitars a la 1986 is a good way to keep to his promise of giving "The Black Album" its pre-"Reasonable Doubt" feel, and it's damn sure better than that God-awful Heavy D-produced "Guns and Roses" from "The Blueprint 2". Definitely a keeper.

10 - "Public Service Announcement (My Name Is Hov)" Another Just Blaze gem, the dialogue from the public speakers is a nice touch. Wouldn't change.

11 - "Justify My Thug" Should NOT be on the album. At all. The production is boring and, with the Madonna sample, very gimmicky, and makes me want to shake my head at Jay for such poor tastes in musical backdrops. Don't get me wrong, I love DJ Quik!! Just not THIS song. Instead, replace with "Calling My Name", another "Blueprint" leftover, as it better captures the feel of a pre-1996 Shawn Carter, with all the references to "'88" and "oil / some water, some baking soda".

12 - "Lucifer" SICK. Sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, SICK. Kanye West is, indeed, a genius with this Max Romeo sample. I ain't got to say no more, this song should definitely stay. Kanye, PLEASE produce my album when I drop.

13 - "Allure (High On Life)" The Neptunes' diversity, from poppy radio hits to inflective somber tunes, is intriguing. Having said that, this song's beautiful soundscape makes it a good track, and Jay's "Cashmere Thoughts"-esque subject matter sure help the cause. Keep this one.

14 - "My First Song" Great production, but...! Here's where the key modifications should be made. First, let's cut out all the shout-outs that make up 60% of the song. Second, towards the end, include a slow heartbeat that opened up "Reasonable Doubt", and slowly fade it away. Wouldn't that be hella better and, in effect, act as a prequel to "Reasonable Doubt"? Isn't that what Jay promised us?

There you have it, my idea of a better "Black Album". This comes from a person with way too much time on his hands, and should be treated as such. ?uestlove, what happened? I thought you were making sure Jay was on top of things! What happened to Ski, Clark Kent, and Primo? Tracks from these producers would definitely round everything out. Nevertheless, Jay-Z will continue to be the greatest rapper alive, and will always have my respect and admiration.

Here's a couple of lyrics of my main man "YOUNG"
frm the BLaCK Album...

but the real shit you get when you bust down my lines add that to the fact i went plat a bunch a times, times that by my influence on pop culture I supposed to be number 1 on everybody list let's see what happens when i no longer exist

who you gon find doper than him with no pen just draw of inspiration soon you'll see u can't you can't replace him some cheap imatation for a million generations

We rat pack niggas let sam tap dance on you then i sinatra shoot ya got damn you.... i put the boy in the box like david blane let the audience watch

Truthfully i wanna rhyme like common sense (but i did 5 now)I ain't been rhymein like common sense when your sense got that much in common and you been huslin sense your amception fuck perception go with what makes sense... sense i know what i am up against we as rappers must decide what is im-port-tent

Fresh out the frying pan back in the fire i be the music biz number 1 supplier

By any means on whenever there is a drought get yo umberalas out becasuse that is when i brainstorm

you can treat yo nose but you still wont come close the game is like a light bulb with elenventy million volts

Treat my first like my last and my last like my first and my first is the same when i came

I got dreams of holding a 9 mila the bob's killa asking em why as my eyes fill up.. these days i cant wake up with a dry pillow gon but not forgoten homles i still feel ya..so curse the day that birth the bastard who caused yo church mass reverse the crash reverse the blast and reverse the car reverse the day and there yo are
"bob lavar*?"

these lyrics is just the tip of the iceberg go get the album help my boy out holla!

Here's a couple of lyrics of my main man "YOUNG"
frm the BLaCK Album...

but the real shit you get when you bust down my lines add that to the fact i went plat a bunch a times, times that by my influence on pop culture I supposed to be number 1 on everybody list let's see what happens when i no longer exist

who you gon find doper than him with no pen just draw of inspiration soon you'll see u can't you can't replace him some cheap imatation for a million generations

We rat pack niggas let sam tap dance on you then i sinatra shoot ya got damn you.... i put the boy in the box like david blane let the audience watch

Truthfully i wanna rhyme like common sense (but i did 5 now)I ain't been rhymein like common sense when your sense got that much in common and you been huslin sense your amception fuck perception go with what makes sense... sense i know what i am up against we as rappers must decide what is im-port-tent

Fresh out the frying pan back in the fire i be the music biz number 1 supplier

By any means on whenever there is a drought get yo umberalas out becasuse that is when i brainstorm

you can treat yo nose but you still wont come close the game is like a light bulb with elenventy million volts

Treat my first like my last and my last like my first and my first is the same when i came

I got dreams of holding a 9 mila the bob's killa asking em why as my eyes fill up.. these days i cant wake up with a dry pillow gon but not forgoten homles i still feel ya..so curse the day that birth the bastard who caused yo church mass reverse the crash reverse the blast and reverse the car reverse the day and there yo are
"bob lavar*?"

these lyrics is just the tip of the iceberg go get the album help my boy out holla!

do any body know any jay-z songs like "can't get with that" that flow was butta that guy was flowin 40 words per second im feelin that track. i need some more tracks like that i still think jigga can flow that stlye but the only reson he dosesn't flow like that is becasue people wouldnt buy it and he would go broke. I like that classic flow i love to listen to tracks like that. holla at yo boy

Yo... All you kids out here talkin bout Young Sayin shit like he aint a success in the rap hip - hop buisness, J-HOVA put out the most consistant sick tracks with rhymes u cant touch. his first CD *The Reasonable Doubt* was by far the best lyrically made CD ever made, with hit tracks like Dead Presidents 2, 22 Twos, Can I Live, Aint No Nigga, And Broolyns Finest. "His Lyrics flow tight like he was born jewish" as Jigga said himself. his flow is unremarkable, which might be why they called him Jazzy Back in the day.

I say HOVA is by far the closest to BIG than any rapper. his lyrics and beats

Franco

Lemme go out on a limb here...maybe it was Jay who setup Pac and Big? thinnk about it...who else had the career motive to do it?
Just food for thought.

yo lucifer, it's disrespectful to call Big the best, despite all the potential he had, dude only had two albums. case closed. and those two albums aren't as hot as krs's first two albums, or rakim's first two, or nas's first two, etc. you can't compare his catalogue with dudes with 10 albums, you just can't. jigga is probably better, but only because he had time to mature, but even he ain't the best.

"ain't no best" - nas

we all got different tastes, the nigga to you, ain't the nigga to me, so why even go there?

Jays album is hot yet is no pre to res doubt get your game right jay and holla back with something serious to be the best album ever no doubt its been in the player for two days and two weeks to come though

Ok. After reviewing the Black album I must say. Jay is one of the best. Always been one of my top 10's. This album could have been better but it is what it is. A couple of tracks you may have to put the choke down, turn off the tv, let the screen saver come on and listen. Your boy got truth for ya. Plus. He has shined on all of our days while the industry was dropping garbage on the shelves. Jay has made his mark. He's not done. Ain't nothing better than a dollar than one more.....He'll be back.

JAY-Z better not retire cuz this album is complete garbage compared to Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint. Well, not complete, the Timbaland, 9th Wonder, and Em tracks are sick, but the two Neptune beats are horribly horrible. I can't even listen to the whole song without skipping over it. Half of these songs don't even belong on a "pre-Reasonable Doubt" cd... Justify my Thug doesn't belong (c'mon Quik, i KNOW you can make something hotter than that) What More Can I Say has a horrible hook, December 4th is somewhat annoying... where's the fire prior 96, Jay? I hope your retirement thing is a joke cuz i don't wanna remember "the greatest ecmee alive" for his last ablum dissappointment. I hope Nas makes a new album with nothing but disses to Jay, so it FORCES him to come back and drop another CD, this time worthy of being his last.

Next time get Primo and Dre on the beats, something not so damn Excuse Me Miss from the Neptunes, and hell, give me some Questlove on the drums for a bassline, cuz where the hell is the thump on Black Album aside from Timbo?

Damnit, Jay, you're the best out there, but why drop this piece of crap?

I would like to give big ups to all those's hatin on Jay-z,And do you really think it matters if yall talk shit about his album, no matter what he still gone be banking $ millions while yall at home watching him on T.V do his thing. Anyway Jay keep doing you, that's the reason why you banking CREAM and there not! And the album is non less than the rest. Hot to Def!!!!!!

So i see some of you took my advise and downloaded "I Cant Get With That" and Big L and Jay-z 7 minute freestyle. Jay-z flow was sick back in 93 thru 96, then he switched it up cause that flow wasnt making him any money cause it was going over alot of cats heads. Dont get me wrong the flow he has now is the tightest in the game, but Hova's flow back in early 90's was killing the street. I think The Black Album is the best album this year, plus this album is better if not as good as Reasonable Doubt. This album couldve been more grimey, more gutta, more street, but maybe Jay-z is retiring and he''l change his name like Pac did, he'll change his name to Hova and do this rap shit for fun like back in the early 90's. But the problem with people is no matter what Jay-z drops they always gotta complain, this album aint got 1 track focused on money, cash, or hoes, Jay-z drops alot of jewels on this album. 99 problems is gutta, and December 4th is real street shit, not about killing other cats but about Jay-z and why he is who he is. I dont think if Jay-z retires that'll be good for hip hop cause aint no one who can hold hip hop, other then Eminem ( most would disagree) but that cat aint commercial, hes probally the least commercial lyricist in the rap game right now. Nas cant hold up the rap game he can barely keep Bravehearts head above water. But maybe Jay-z will do some recruiting and get some cats who flows will make you all forget about him. Jay-z should take a vacation cause he deserves it, but retire, if he retires what are the Nas fans gonna hate on.

Listen here you fucking little bitches who dont fucking know what the hell they are talking about. For all of you who dont like Jay dont go around telling everyone he is overrated or doesnt have flow. Just listen to one of his eight albums front to back and then come and talk to me. Jay-z pisses on everyone in the rap game now, and is the greatest rapper in the game with biggie and pac. So quite writing all this bullshit when you probably have never herd a fucking Jay-z album. You pussy mother fuckers probably listen to his singles and fucking hate on him. To tell you the truth his singles piss on everything anyway so fuck all you bitches that do not know what the hell you are saying.

uhh, we all already did, Miss Easy.

Jay is one of the greatest MC's ever-hands down. It's almost an obvious remark coming from someone who has made 10 albums compared to the overated 50 cent's(who under any producer other than Dre would be no better than Puffy with a catchy delivery)-2 albums. By the way add Eminem to some of his sale numbers (also obvious). Furthermore, I do think that sometimes people have a tendancy to allow the media to blind them from what is good from not. Just because Jay-z is not a rapper who yells and grunts with some sexy thuged-out voice when he rhymes(as sought out by the females and deaf motherfuckers alike) , people misconstrue this as lacking elsewhere in the skills department. Jay has one of the illest flow ever hands down. I took a poetry class in school, and his mastery of the AB AB scheme is brilliant(acording to the scheme, alot of rappers don't know the alphabet)-and he doesnt even write the shit on paper. If you took the time to listen to Reasonable Doubt, u realize how ill it is. Take 'Can I Live' for example:"Dreams of getting cream let's do this it gets ted-i-ous,so I keep one eye open like CBS." Or take '22 twos': "Administer pain next to minister screaming your name, at your wake while I peek in look in his casket feeling sarcastic 'look at him still sleepin.'" That shit is classic right there. Better than any line in 50's entire album. I have heard the Black Album but havent yet let it settled fully. But below is a list of my favorites to OK.

Favorites
1)my 1st song (crazy)
2)december 4th (crazy)
3)allure (crazy)
4)threat
5)lucifer
6)psa
7)encore

average
1)change clothes
2)99 problems
3)what more can I say(ill beat though)
4)dirt off my
5)moment of clarity

weak
1)justify my love

My only beef with the Black Album is that it was too short...well that and "Justify my thug" but thats mostly a "Quik" thing. Overall the joint has everything, club hits to straight street. What I like the most is the absence of all other artists, the showcase is flawless, the top producers in the biz allowing Jay to do what he does.

Puff,

Brilliant analysis...couldn't agree with you more. Jay should delay the album a month and use your model for the album.

The one song that really pissed me off was Justify My Thug. Album was dope though...definitely top 3 among Jay-Z's albums...maybe better than vol 1. It's such a relief to hear the old Jay-Z again. His later Vol2&3/Blueprint/Dynasty stuff was whaaaaaaack!

Sorry Trade Man, I can't agree with Heart of the city and song cry being good Jay-Z songs...why not try Streets is Watching, Politics as Usual and Dead Presidents II.

Shane

Shane

Yeah, that's one Shane.

Shane

Man you need a little soul in your life. Song Cry not good. Come on man you can't teel me u can't relate to that song. That shit got me over a 2 year relationship.
The Blue Print is abosolute genius. I love the new album and I love the old Jay, but I'll take seasoned jay over young Jay any day. You need to go back and listen to song cry again son and heart of the city, you don't feel that.

"I don't want much fuck I drove every car, some nights cooked food, some days clean draws."

Streets is watching is one of my favorites in fact In my Life Time is my favorite out of all his albums. I've bought it like 12 times. It's my favorite rap album by any artist. If you noticed I quoted the first line from Streets is Watching in one of my replies. Whats up with this dead pres 2 thing. How is it any better then the original, whats so great about it (other then the fact that it's a Jay-Z song). You must have went back and bought the reissue version of Reasonable Doubt and thought you found some top secret track that no one's heard, trying to establish your crediblity as a Jay fan. Just tell me whats so great about it. Other then the fact that it was made by Jay. I'm gonna stop now, besides.

"A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who" Jay-Z Take over (The Blue Print)

Im out

Trade Man

P.S.This probbably aint the best sight to post this, but I'm a fan of all music (open minded). So for all you Pearl Jam fans out their there is new 2 disc CD coming out. With 12 never before released tracks.

Discussion Closed. That's 2 3 and 4

1 more thing I can't believe no one likes Justify my Thug. It sounds like an old Bobby Brown beat, you know off the Don't be Cruel album. Maybe ya'lls don't know. Shit most of you probbably weren't even born that shit came out. It definitely has a good 80's feel to it and that's what this album's all about right. Ya'll aint thugs or gangsters you can admit to liking it. No ones gonna make fun of you. I love that song.

Grow up

The Trade Man

The Trade Man,

No offense was intended. Sorry for coming down on your songs listed (I agree with most) but I guess I'm just not a fan of his later work. You are a bigger fan of Jay-Z than I am, but I'm surprised you suggested that I bought Reasonable Doubt after the fact...it's one of the 3 albums that I like by him. I own the original tape and CD.

The fact of the matter is before Vol 2 hit, 90% of the hiphop world hadn't even heard of Reasonable Doubt...it took a bunch of mediocre, overproduced pop albums to get hiphop heads to rediscover his more promising early work (and ppl like those on this forum to push radio shows/clubs to play the album).

After all the hype that Blueprint has received, I'll try listening to it again...can't understand your hatred towards Dead Pres II, one of the best tracks on Reasonable Doubt (isn't dead pres I on vinyl only?).

Peace.

Jay-z is the best rapper ever just by listening to one of his albums you should be able to tell that, but if if you don't think so just pop in the dynasty and listen to the intro.
detroit

Jay is the best to me. that black album is everything it should be. Rapers wont beable to rap like that till years from now. the only person you can honestly say is his level is the homie nas. After that there is know one in the game that can see him remember this: Ain't no livin person can test him
Only two restin in heaven can be mentioned in the same breath as him
Seven straight summers, critics might not admit it
But nobody in rap did it, quite like I did it
If you did it I done it before, you get I had it
Got mad at it and don't want it no more
And that goes for everything from flippin that raw
Flippin whores, flippin vocal chords, don't get it twisted
Get it right, did different, did it better, did it nice
Did the impossible then did it twice (get it right)

jay z is my idol. and the best mc on the planet. A lot of people who dont get his lyrics are people who arent able to relate. I'm from the ghetto, where your only way out is playing hoop, selling dope, or rapping. So to see that he made it puts the faith in me that I can do it. Once you're Big why not Brag. Shit he came from rags to Riches... with a dream. I bet its a lot of people right now in the cemetery who had a dream, but he made it. I would brag too!!!

yeah, who hasnt come from rags to riches? pussy. Think behind the scenes before you speak. He didn't spend time on this album, any real fan could admit that. But too many rookies in here.

All I can say is QUIK is one of the best producers of all time and too bad for y'all in the EAST that have been sleeping on phenomenal talent...my comment is especially directed to the mutha fucka who wrote this review...

Jay Z's black album is off the hook anyone who thinks other wise needs to listen to it properly!

but one thing i have to mention i know im going off the subject but the best rapper out there is still ICE CUBE!!!! aka don mega!

Yo on the real.....Black Album>>another classic...Jay is the best... how can you even be a jay-hater... his flow and everything is off the hook...who made yall editors and album reviewers yall on here explaining every track like yall can do better......point is...he's the best nobody out can mess with him..he got 9 on his shoulders and was on top all the way through.. who you know that can do that!!

Shane,

I don't hate Dead Pres 2, I don't hate any of Jay's work. I'm just wondering what makes it better then the original. Look man we all love this guy for different reasons. It's great just to read so many views that people have about him. I agree with you on the fact that most people went back and bought Reasonable Doubt after they heard his later work. Shit, the first album I owned by him was In My Lifetime. That album brought me back into rap. It took me from the Pink Floyd's and the Pearl Jams of the world and made me realize that hip hop was again worth listening too. I will forever be greatful to Jay for that. It may not be his best album, but to me it is. "Lucky Me"

Trade Man

Look here yall i love jay-z but he needs a break for being that damn sweet. he will retire like mike and come back an album and he will call it reasonable doubt2(the return of the king) i like nas and nas lost the battle nas is a writer and bitter wanna be pac jay-z dont write his shit tight. his flow is tight here is what i talking about. I came into this motherfucker a hundred grand strong
Nine to be exact, from grindin G-packs
Put this shit in motion ain't no rewindin me back
Could make 40 off a brick but one rhyme could beat that
And if somebody woulda told 'em that Hov' would sell clothin
Heh, not in this lifetime, wasn't in my right mind
That's another difference that's between me and them
Heh, I'm smarten up, open the market up
One million, two million, three million, four
In eighteen months, eighty million more
Now add that number up with the one I said before
You are now lookin at one smart black boy
Momma ain't raised no fool
Put me anywhere on God's green earth, I'll triple my worth
Motherfucker - I, will, not, lose

First I'd like to say that I've only heard the first two singles of the Black Album, which has been the song produced by the Neptunes along with, "What More Can I Say." Out of those two songs thus far I'm really feeling "What More Can I Say" because this is classic Jay-Z. He has created his own signature/style by going back in time with those hooks. The man is just simply speaking the truth while also incorporating his love and respect for other artists in the game.(Again, this is in regards to "What More Can I Say") Jay is a brilliant individual. His timing is flawless along with his voice inflections and his enunciations on words throughout his songs. To make this formula even more complex, he doesn't write any lyrics down. They are stored on his mental hard drive. Comprehend that one. PLEASE... Jay-Z is one of the best hands down. Period. One of few artists out there who can flow over any track. "When I make that statement, I mean he is he control of the beat without allowing it to control him for one second. That's talent folkz.

This is for all the Jay-Z hataz out there...
NAME FIVE ARTISTS IN THE GAME AS OF 2003 WHO CAN FLOW OVER HOVI BABY II? For those who don't know this song off the Blue Print II. I don't mean just jump in and double-dutch to the track and jump out for the hook, but FLOW OVER IT FROM BEGINNING TO END... NAME FIVE.

My favorite song is still Dead Presidents II and I'm looking forward to hearing the complete version of the Black Album

From a young brotha who listens quite well located on the WEST COAST... SACRAMENTO.

ReBirth04

Remember this name... Mr. Hustelmatic.

Heard the Black Album time and time again and here's my thoughts. First off that better not be the real intro, for Jay-Z to have his lasy album with out spittin on the intro is unfortunate. Thats what makes it acceptable or Jay's albums to be 10-14 tracks, he spits on EVERY track. As for the people who are dissapointed that its not reasonable doubt, i feel your pain, but I have come to this conculsion. When Jay said prequel he meant before reasonable doubt, tracks like Lucifer, and 99problems (convo like gimme the loot) make me think Jay was going more for the Ready to Die feel big had on his first album. The album as a whole is not the greatest. (Jay fans must be honest with themselves) Jay-Z has the problem of talking too much, he tries to manipulate people into thinking he is better than BIG and Pac and while he may be on that level, u NEVER heard them desperatly trying to be recognized. Jay-Z also talked to much by hyping this album, he may end up looking like an ass because the release date has been known for a while now, and it has to be changed, which will effect sales. His decision to release his album earlier proves Jay is not hungry, but lazy, a hungry artist would have added new tracks or something. Jay-Z has dissappointed many as the bp2 was sub par after the double disk (Biggie,pac) hype. bp2.1 was just a pitiful stunt on his part. Black album was good probably vol.3 level. As for Jay-Z retiring, its either laziness or he is scared. Why should he retire, poets dont retire, this isnt basketball, look at Will Smith, LL Cool J, to retire (except if ur mase) is ridiculous. But Jay-Z is that n*gga and his every move is mimicked this will definetly be Jay-Z starting another bad trend. Got love for Jay-Z but ive learned not to trust him.

P.S. there should be something inn rap where u must work cite ur quote

"My sickermore style more sicker thank yours" -BIG

"Gloria Carter and Adinous Reeves made love uner the sickermore tree which makes me a more sicker MC." -Jay-Z

First of all, I refuse to download or bootleg this album before it comes out because I am a diehard Jay-Z fan. But from what I've read It seems to me that "change clothes and go" is to the black album what "bonnie and clyde" was to Blueprint 2, am I right?

minithin

what the fuck u sayin? how the hell u gonna say bow wow got hotter tracks than jay-z? do u even listen to anything besides the beats? get your mind rite...i mean if u been listening to stictly underground than u know that its about the lyrics and skills right? u just a jay-z hater...don't want to accept the fact that he got the skills. i can't even believed u put bow wow and jay-z in the same sentence..do u even know what compelling means? ignorant bastard...and i got mad love for nas, but why did it take "the take-over" for nas to try to re-establish himself as an mc?
and u even said u don't know nothing about shoppin rocks...but know what sells. man, u sayin jay-z doesn't know how to sell. like his albums ain't sold no units. i see u tryin to make beats, but it takes more than beats to make a song...jay-z must be lame cause every album he puts out goes platinum...even his un-plugged shit went gold.
and since u got so much love for kazaa, go back to it and download that s.carter collection mixtape...jay just proves he can kill any beat at any given time...

The average American watches an average of 5 hours worth of average shows on an average day.

When not watching TV, it is safe to say these same people arelistening to -- on average -- some very average hip hop.

A-men

Dude listen to you comparing The Black Album to his other albums. The man aint gonna put out the same shit everytime. Artists grow and chang. You just have to except the change or not like the artist. Whats so great about Jay. his is versatility. Every album he has written has had a different feel to it. To say that it's on a Vol.3 level is awesome. There hasn't been an album better since Vol.3 unless it was written by Jay. So thats the Dynasty and the Two Blue Prints. Volume 3 was a great album. But my real point his why don't you compare The Black Album to some one else's album. Instead of putting down the mans work because it's not as good as his other work. That's like telling Picaso that you didn't like his Blue period because it wasn't as good as his earlier abstract work. See what I'm saying. In my book the next Jay-Z Album is the best one. So for right now The Black Album is the best until he comes back to top that.

I'm not even gonna comment on the Bow WOw statement. Thats just pure ignorance.

The Trade Man

No one seems aware of the real issue: people have been so brainwashed by the media that they think Jay-Z is their best friend or something.

People act as if Jay-Z needs to be "defended". The man has so much money that he can retire at whatever young age he is and never have to worry about a thing. Jay-Z is neither an underdog, nor a victim, nor a political cause.

When you spend this much effort defending a person you don't even know, it brings an old saying to mind...

"Fantasy is reality in the world today."

Great album in my opinion, would scrap change clothes but thats it. Justify my thug isnt so bad, beat is fine just has a weird chorus. Lucifer is absolutly amazing really makes me believe that a rapper can surprise me even after a long career. Lots of memorable lines, all in all asking for any more of this album would be selfish.

And im sure its not the last Jay material we will here even if he dosnt drop a new album, so dont fret.

As I read some of the comments on this page I can't help to realize that there are a lot of haters. Give the man his dues as one of Hip-Hops' most consistant artists. This is going to be his 8th real solo album and he is still hot. Can anyone tell me who else has been that hot. Many of the greatest to do anything ranging from sports to literature have had hater just like some of yall. Stop being in denial and accept Him. He is truly the GOD MC!!!!!!!!! One Yourself.

I'm content with album the way it is, but does anybody know if the real version is going to be any different. Let me know

Trade Man

I see what your saying, but lets keep it real. For one Jay-Z brought about the comparisons. The man implied he was taking it back to Reasonable Doubt...of course im gonna compare his works! My comparing his albums only makes sense, he himself says that every album is supposed to be better than his last, thus making the black albumm his best album which is false. You want me to compare his album to other peoples, fine:the Black Album is not on the level of any of Biggie's albums, and im not a Nas fan and God's Son is better than it. I wasn't trying to bash his album, cause its nice, but a comparison is inevitable. Honestly after hearing this album I wanted with all my heart to be able to say "Jay still got it" This album has not allowed me to say that...Its the last hurrah supposedly and Jay shoulda went out harder, i'm not mad at him, but it proves he's more than human, so he can cut all the "hova" stuff, and so can you...

Comparisons (rankings)

1. Reasonable Doubt
2.Blueprint
3.Vol 1
4.Vol 2
5.Vol.3/Black Album
6.Best of Both world's
7.Dynasty
8.Gift and The Curse

Listen to it a few more times buddy.

Before I start my spiel, I gotta say that I've only read about half the comments posted. I'm sure I missed a bunch of good ones that already said what I wanna say, but fuck it, here goes:

Jay-Z is good but he's definitely not the best. I can easily name several lyricists that could run Jigga to the ground. You gotta start with Pac and Biggie, of course; beyond them, Eminem, Nas, Cannabis and Taleb Kwali (not necessarily in that order) all come to mind. "Renegades" with Eminem, in my mind, is his best work as far as flow goes.

Without a doubt, Hova has a talent for finding the big beat with the big producer. But beyond that and some better-than-mediocre flow, Jay's done. He's like Diddy: great for media and glamor, and has done worlds for the rap game, but on his own is outwitted and outmatched by the superiors.

I stick to the God's son as the best lyricist today.

yo, jigga is ill fo sho. he ain't the best at nothin tho, pacs got the best written and big l's got the best freestyle, in my opinion. so really jus mediocre.

This goes in part to one of yall named drew who said that theres no artist who has put out more classic cuts more consistently. Are you out of your mind?? Bouncy club cuts are NOT classics, and thats all Jay has been producing for years. The Blueprint and reasonable doubt are his only good albums. period!! All the rest is sell-out shit!! I can't believe theres people here who don't see that. If you want classics, listen to Nas, Biggie, Pac, and a whole lot of other MC's who have put out many more classics than Joe Camel. Jay isn't hip-hop, he's hip-pop.

and then the fat boys break up, now every day I wake up , somebody got supp'm to say....
yow I listen this song and "You don't know" every day, cuz one gives u a feelin of never givin up and the other jus states how life is. Jay Hova, hope you come back to crank out more inspirational tunes. we need ur general knowledge of how to live this life. all haters can lick the dirt off his S.Carters. hope we get some more hov...

that goes for varun... little punk

Big is dead and so is Pac. Sorry their not coming back. I'm tired of everybody riding their jock because they died. It's the Kurt Cobain syndrome. They were brilliant MC's, but if they didn't die they wouldn't get half the respect. Shit in my book Easy is better then both of them, but I'm old school like that so don't listen to me. Read the new XXL mag, Jay don't even listen to rap that much. He listens to Cold Play and shit. It's a great interview check it out.

WHO THE HELL SAID THAT JAY Z ONLY HAS 2 HOT ALBUMS.AS YOU CAN TELL HE/SHE IS A REAL TUPAC ASS OR BIGGIE ASS HOLE. THEY ARE ALREADY DEAD GET OVER IT PEOPLE. JIGGA AND NAS ARE THE HARDES MC'S RIGHT NOW AND THERE IS NONE OTHER GREATER THAN THEM. JAY HAS MADE THE ILLEST CLUB HITS. YEA IKNOW NAS I TIGHT AND HE HAS BETTER LYRICS THAN JIGGA BUT NOT MUCH PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT TODAY ALL THEY SEEM TO BE INTERESTED IN IS A TIGHT ASS BEAT AND SOME GOOD WORDS TO GO WITH IT. HELLO PPL I THINK THAT THATS THE REASON WHY JAY Z HAS MORE MONEY THAN NAS...LOL LOL. THE BLUEPRINT WAS ALRIGHT BUT THE BLUEPRINT 2 WAS MUCH TIGHTER. THAT ALBUM REASONABLE DOUBT AND VOL2 WAS THE BEST JAY Z ALBUMS EVER. THE DYNASTY WAS A BUNCH OF SHIT SORRY

If you all really considered Jay-Z fans, then why download the album instead of buying the real copy. That takes away all reasoning for buying the album, which is supposedly is his last. Jay is the greatest of all-time( including pac and big, though I love both.) My list of the greatest of all-time is as follows

1. Jay-Z
2.Outkast
3.2pac
4.Biggie
5.Big Pun
6.Eminem

All you Jay haters need to stop, and all Jay fans should buy the album if you are really a Jay fan, WHAT MORE CAN I SAY!

Fuck Jay-Z...

I wanna see what Jay BOOGIE thinks about all these stoopid comments.

Is this like the web version of a street team? Are you people being paid to write all this dumb shit??

Every other comment is saying shit like... "There was no way I could read all these comments, but I just wanted to throw in my worthless two cents because Jay-Z is my hero... blah... blah..."

If this were the Stink Zone, I would just shut this down. It is simply unreadable.

I donate to the Jay-Z fund every year, more then once. I've rebought so many of his albums its not even funny. I probbably own a small part of rocafella or something. I can't wait til Friday so I can get the real thing even if it is the same.

Yo Yo Im from streets yo. we get it how we get. Im real yo. savin my dollas for the fam. nigga tryin survive out here yo. this is real. jay allright but pac yo thats the real. yo all probibly white boys r somthin tryin to talk nowledge like you know but you dont.

gangsta

I think Jay is aiight... I never really felt his shit like that tho- I heard prolly 4 or 5 of his albums...n I jus dont feel it but I respect his consistency and what he's done... Like Jay Smooth said i can take small doses of Jay but I get sick of him... N people sayin only ones better are Big n Pac and their dead...??? Please... jus cuz somebody sells a lot of records dont make me the most talented... In most cases it does but in Tragedy Khadafi's case- prolly the illest out there, most underrated too- duke is a genius. Go pick up Still Reportin or Against All Odds...1

all i gotta say is "i blew breath to you midgets, i gave life to the game, its only right i got the right to be king" jay-z "the watcher 2". when will all you stop hating and give this man his much deserved peops?

When will YOU turn 9 years old?

I think only the White Stripes post got such a big response. I hope so many people post that nobody's comments ever get read, except by the desperate jay-Z fans who are posting here.

May you dwell in obscurity, unlike your hero Jay-Z.

I don't hate on Jay-Z... I feel sorry for his fans.

Damn Jay-Z must really be the shit. You don't even like him and you've posted like five comments.

Watch 60 minutes

Trade Man

Your command of logic is staggering. If you read my comments, then you would see that my point has nothing to do with Jay-Z. I am saying that his fans are stupid.

I actually enjoy the music of Jay-Z, but that is beside the point.

So basically your saying your an idiot like the rest of us.

There are hundreds -- if not thousands -- of message boards where people discuss whether so and so rapper is better than some other rapper. Or whether so and so is being hated on. And all other manner of inane "Hi-fidelity" Top 10 list type stuff. Look, I do it too sometimes.

I'm not dissing people personally, I'm saying go somewhere else if you wanna argue about dumb shit. I've seen message boards overrun by this sort of thing and we I see it... I'm gonna call it like I see it.

And I'm not wasting my time here... maybe at least one person will realize that it is completely pointless to argue this sort of thing. Jay Smooth (er, I said Jay Boogie up above... duh... see i'm an idiot too, right?)... er, Jay Smooth even said it is all about personal taste. And when people aren't even reading each other's comments.... what's the point? And anyone who has read this entire thread is an idiot. I guess, myself included. You got me, big shot. No go back to SOHH.com or wherever you came from.

First off I came on this sight to read reviews. Apparently it turned out to be more then a review page. It turned into to a friendly discussion/debate. Then the Web police (eric) comes in and tells everyone not to write any more. Eric: "Don't communicate on the internet." What a nerd.

You are right though. This sight has been overrun. Overrun by your dumb ass comments about Jay-Z fans. You came to a review page about Jay-Z what did you expect. Funny thing is you've posted more comments then probbably anyone on here. Yeah I've been taking up some space.

Truth be told I think your motive for writing this garbage isn't what you say it is. It's not to get people off this site. Its to get people to write back to you. Your just happy that some one is responding to your dumb ass. Oh yeah what the fuck is SOHH.com. Is that some computer nerd dis or something.

Trade Man

P.S. Hope it wasn't to long, don't want to kill any digital trees or anythin.

First off I came on this sight to read reviews. Apparently it turned out to be more then a review page. It turned into to a friendly discussion/debate. Then the Web police (eric) comes in and tells everyone not to write any more. Eric: "Don't communicate on the internet." What a nerd.

You are right though. This sight has been overrun. Overrun by your dumb ass comments about Jay-Z fans. You came to a review page about Jay-Z what did you expect. Funny thing is you've posted more comments then probbably anyone on here. Yeah I've been taking up some space.

Truth be told I think your motive for writing this garbage isn't what you say it is. It's not to get people off this site. Its to get people to write back to you. Your just happy that some one is responding to your dumb ass. Oh yeah what the fuck is SOHH.com. Is that some computer nerd dis or something.

Trade Man

P.S. Hope it wasn't to long, don't want to kill any digital trees or anythin.

First off I came on this sight to read reviews. Apparently it turned out to be more then a review page. It turned into to a friendly discussion/debate. Then the Web police (eric) comes in and tells everyone not to write any more. Eric: "Don't communicate on the internet." What a nerd.

You are right though. This sight has been overrun. Overrun by your dumb ass comments about Jay-Z fans. You came to a review page about Jay-Z what did you expect. Funny thing is you've posted more comments then probbably anyone on here. Yeah I've been taking up some space.

Truth be told I think your motive for writing this garbage isn't what you say it is. It's not to get people off this site. Its to get people to write back to you. Your just happy that some one is responding to your dumb ass. Oh yeah what the fuck is SOHH.com. Is that some computer nerd dis or something.

Trade Man

P.S. Hope it wasn't to long, don't want to kill any digital trees or anythin.

I ain't no Jay Z fan but you got to give the nigga some fucking credit. He comes up with hot shit every time. Reasonable doubt with D'evils, Dead Presidents, and feeling it are tight. Especially when Jigga says "9 to 5 is how to survive, I ain't trying to survive
I'm trying to live it to the limit and love it a lot, Life ills, poison my body"
that shit is crazzzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyy. 22 twos is a ill track too. Since Reasonable Doubt he has come up with song like "This Can't Be Life" "A Week Ago" "Coming of Age (Da Sequel)" and some other dope shit. I ain't a fan but nigga deserves for the hot shit. Tupac fan forever but can't hate on Jay Z.

P.S.
Look for a track with him and joe buddens going at it, even thoug Jay lost he said some dope shit. "you aint no athlete, you shawn bradely" Dammnnnnnnnnnn.

Philly, showing love for GOD MC

my point exactly

actually my motivation is to vent, pure and simple. i'm also seeing if anyone is actually communicating here, or if this is simply a place where people post things, but don't actually read what anyone else has said.

Basically, my work is computers. I take little diversions to break up the monotony. Hiphopmusic.com is one of the few places where there is something resembling intelligent hip hop commentary. And when I see dumb shit... I call it. Simple as that. Sure, maybe I am wasting my time. But I also type about 100 wpm, and that means this took me about a minute to write.

oh and... if my intention was to strike up a conversation... i guess it worked. unfortunately for you, it wasn't my intention. peace...

Yo computer wiz shut up duke! The Trade man as already picked you a part. Pac for life.

G money

to all of the jay z fans...why do u have the album already? if you really loved him, then u woulda bought the actual album instead of bootleggin, hahhahahaha

Gangsta, first dude, u just typed about 200 words to say a sentence. Secondly, if u are so gangsta and strapped for every dollar u have, why aren't u hustlin or workin instead of typin messages in a jay z forum?? Prioritize fam. Aside from that, The Black Album is another well rounded, well produced cd coupled with hov's one of a kind ingenious flow. He's simply untouchable, and to hail from the projects... He said it best himself. "I came in the game not beggin niggas pardon, demandin yall respect, hand over a check." Even if you don't respect or like him as an artist, you have to respect him as a man. And gangsta, whether u dribble out that muthafucka, rap metaphors or riddle out that muthafucka, I hope u find a way to get up out that muthafucka, the hood that is, my brotha. One Love Yall

You know it really pisses me off when people dis jay-z music, because that is what it is beautiful music. i read all the dissing comments and i have one question- If u don't like jay-z who do you like? be serious u can't biggie if u don't like jay. any of the new breed of rappers (50 cent, fab,ludacris, nelly) can't hold a candle to him, but yet and still u want to hate. look, if u listen to lyrics there is no way jay-z ain't nice. If u don't like rappers talking about money u can't listen to rap PERIOD. EVERY RAPPER WHO IS CONSIDERED THE BEST HAS TALKED ABOUT BEING A PIMP, HUSTLER, AND BALLER WHAT IS SO DIFFERENT WHEN JAY-Z SAYS IT. But if pac, or biggie said the same shit that jay-z has said nobody would hate on them. Personally u guys(haters) are the real reason majority of rap sucks right now. U have never LISTENED to an entire jay-z album u have just heard it. Then u hate on him but say some shit like Stunt 101 is hot. I'm not hating any rappers Stunt 101 is hot but if u don't like when jay-z talks about balling how can u like any rapper talking about it.(PAC, BIGGIE,OR NAS).

Dahurt just broke it down.

Yo Doogie Howser you win man. Frankly I'm just sick of arguing with an idiot.

Does any one have the real album yet. I want to know if its any different. I can't buy it until tommorrow. Let me know

The Trade Man

Yes, The black album is good but I'm still scratching my head why he settled for pharrell over primo? I did enjoy the black album but it's not reasonable doubt of blueprint where Jay went back to his underground tactics on both of those albums. Here, it's mixture of mainstream and underground and how is change clothes and go refering back to his resonable doubt days that Jay stated? Any way black album is good.

Might sound crazy n whatever- but people got differet opinions n different tastes..... welcome to the real world-

so if someone dont like jay dont ask why or try to persuade him to like him- does it mean that much to ya'll that someone dont like ya fav. artist, you gotta argue wit them n try to tell them they should? if it does..yall need some help or somethin

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Eric doesnt know jack shit about rap.
I'm not even done there, u pussy whiteboy.
thats even worse than bein' your neighbors fuckin chunk.
Bite the curb bitch!
Fuck words, let's use weapons.

hah ah. i say that shit just clowning, ...

Ahiyo, My turn?

This could be used for networking. I bet I could get a deal yo,
I had this one rhyme but some fuck might steal it.

So cold you step out n get steel toed, shits the flow from the C.O.
"i gets drunk and hang-glide on subway train rides, and write my name on every blank side."
"skip skool, barely went to class, thinkin shits' cool"

your a fuckin chump, eric aint got nuts or a tree stump.
fucking cunt, i came up from the drain, and down from a train, but your lookin at me like i'm an Arab on a plane.
Come with this cause i dont have that?
Fuck rap, here's my notebook, u can have that.

Jay-z, Jay-z There's an enigma to this man. It's like we worship a jay-z we will never meet. The braggadocio man who spits on wax, acts shy and laid back in interviews. Is this what he does "to keep the registers ringing." Many of us think we know him, but in all actuality we don't. The man who invented talking about platinum chains in a way no one else could, gets blamed for the bling-bling era when it was supposed to be his niche. Now every rapper has mentioned a line or two about their ice. Who takes the blame for a fallen army, the General. Do we see a Gaudy, flashy Jay-z in public, or haven't we seen a jay with a wwjd bracelet on. Many us like a Jay-z that we think no one else knows about. You guessed it. "Streets is watching Jay" , "Gutter Jay". Can Jay-z make another Reasonable Doubt-sure- but will it ever happen -NO- Can he make an album just as good that is the real question. Times and evolution has changed with S. dot, no more excessive mafia spitten ridden lines. We can expect maturity, life telling lines about his inner soul and thoughts. Us "real" jayz fans all know what he is capable of. We see "girl girls girls" and I just wanna love you as marketing. But Our life lessons come from "Where i'm From" and Meet the parents. We look at Jay-z as our black president anything he so softly puts on wax can sell or make you think. After all even after retirement Mr. Carter still has the world in his hands.

"A far more fruitless task than Sisyphus had is arguing for your own opinion. At the end of the day, it's only an opinion."

Ty Collier
11/13/2003

Now i have heard this album at least 5 times and it does get better every time. but if i can make one change to it. it would be to make wat more can i say the last track. i'm supposed to be number one on everybody list. we'll see what happens i no longer exist.

Scrap

I've been on here for like 4 or 5 days now and the best I've heard anybody put it yet. I'd say more, but I think I've spoke more then my peice already.

Caugh up a lung where I'm from

The Trade Man

yo, no one here knows what their talkin about. jay is the best rapper of all time. no question about it...no one can put out nine sick records like him or ever will..and whos sayin the blueprint 2 is bad...do you fools listen or you just skim through it? like jay said-anythin that jat touches turns to gold-actually platinum-the very metal that jay brought into the rap game..hes one step ahead of every other rapper of his time or any time...hands down..what more can i saaaaaaay...check that track out he'll tell ya how he runs this shit..im out peace

Enough is enough...time for reality checks:

1. First yall need to hop of Jigga's nuts...yall come on here praising him, when the point is to discuss the album. Yall honestly dont even think that highly of the album or else u wouldn't be hiding behind the fact that he has done great work in the past and that he is the best rapper out(which isnt saying much)

2. I love arrogance, but as MA$E said "i talk a lot of sh*t but I back it up though" Jay-Z boasts more than ANYONE so he recieves the double standard he asked for, and he better live up to the hype he himself created. If a rapper brags that much he has to be on point everytime, and when he isnt, he will be attacked , and I respect Eric and everyone else who keeps it real.

3. As for you Jay-Z fans I feel kinda sorry for yall. You cant even critique an album because he has you so fooled that he can do no wrong. This album has zero classic songs. ex. of classics (feelin' it, dead pres., d'evils, regrets, where im from, hard knock life etc.)

4. Yall aint even true fans, yall bought the bootleg. But I dont blame you, Jay has shitted on niggaz with gimmicks so many times I wouldnt have trusted him either

You can actually listen to the entire album streamed on mtv.com's "The Leak" perfectly legally.

You know what, I think everybody on here is crazy. This is about the black album, but ya'll wanna sit up and hang on Jay's dick or hate him. First off, while I do feel that Jay is the greatest, I still believe he has dropped wack shit before. And to the JayZ haters, what the fuck are doing on here for, if you don't like the nigga. Go on a different website or just get the fuck off the computer. The Black Album has been bootlegged for over a week and from all I've heard it will be a classic. I'm going to go buy mine today in FYE like the rest of you so-called Jay fans should have. WEED AND DRANK! NUCCA

This is for them horrible rapping niggas on here

You niggas is ass,get ya clan, i leave ya bleeding/ them triggas i blast, i switch ya land,but i ain't sweden/trying to poke out ya chest,I'M splitting it with a sword/betta chill 4 you all be kicking it with the lord/it's that simple,you not hard,start telling the truth/cause my left hook will leave a faggot smelling his tooth/And to that faggot eric, why hating extra/like you thorough,when the white form of Mason Betha/look friend,homie the wind,is what you'll be gone wit/nigga i drop bombs and this one atomic/WHAT THE FUCK! RECORD DEAL IS IN ORDER NUGGA! WEED & DRANK!

Does anyone here appreciate variety? Lets look at what hes done. Reasonable Doubt, classic hustla album. Vol 1, very personal but another classic. Vol 2, very commercial and still gutta at the same time. The Blueprint, he cant top this one, it has everything. The Blueprint 2, once again he shows versatility and has fun with it. The Black Album, a synopsis of his career.
When you put it all together you have to appreciate the fact that hes used his talent to its fullest and has never made an album that sounded like the last one. What other MC's have been able to do that? He can rap on any beat and talk about any thing and make it sound good. Thats what makes him at least one of the top 3 of all time.

Once again haters start typing shit they don't even know. Must be a law or something, because once you say you like jay-z u become a dick rider huh? But, FUCK ALL THE HATERS, maybe there favorite rapper will make 9 hot albums or be the SECOND rapper to have a concert on cable t.v (not Biggie, Pac, Nas, 0r Eminem has done that not even will smith - NOBODY IN THE HISTORY OF RAP except JAY-Z,) but I know, u feel sorry for me. My favorite rapper has done something nobody has done but u feel sorry for me (A-men). Basically, I feel sorry for u because u can't hear good music. If u don't like jay-z just say you don't feel him or u can't relate, but don't say shit like he sucks. The Man sets the rap standard for lyrics just LISTEN to rap. This is my last commets so take heed. I quess somebody had to hate Jordan everybody wasn't Bulls fans.

P.S. I heard most of the album on the radio and i know it's hot. I'm out to cop the album FROM THE STORE.

one, if hate were a disease it would be referred to as hateria not hateration, two, making insightful assesments of the artistic credibility of an individual who claims to be a God is by no means hate, three Jay Z is nice but Nas is nicer

Damn,if this is Jay's last album thank god he's gone.Don't get me wrong i'm as big a fan as anybody here but Jay-Z specifically said this would be the prequel to Reasonable Doubt.This shit is far from it.Except for Lucifer, What more can I say and 99 problems this album sounds like filler material for Blueprint 2. Like the review said,Jay-z has made his millions, why does he still feel the need to worry about making pop singles and topping the charts. Why couldn't he continue like in his early albums like Reasonable Doubt or The Blueprint for that matter. This Album feels more like an over-hyped mixtape.

Besides Change Clothes and Dirt off your shoulders what else could be considered a pop single. Lucifer is a good song, but unlike the rest of you it didn't stand out to me. The last verse about Bobala is some heart felt shit (love that verse). Other then that the sample is alright. In my book Jay is the greatest. What the hell on Reasonable Doubt sounds like Lucifer....nothing, but yet this is your favorite song. Listen to the Allure. Like the man for what he is today not what he was. He's a different person then he was back in 96. He makes grown up music. Listen to the lyrics son, don't just skim through the CD trying to find a tight beat or a cool sounding sample. Listen to the man he'll teach you something.

By the way 50 cent is on the cover of Teen People. How much more pop can you get? What's wrong with being pop any how? Every artists is Pop. Shit it don't get no more pop then Pac or Big. Their on VH1 like every night and every so called hip hop fan rides their nuts. If they were alive today I'd be willing to bet that they would have a gang of haters on their back.

If ya'll wanna hear Reasonable Doubt go by it again. You can pretend like it's a new CD he just put out. Then ya'lls can be happy. This shit pisses me off. It's like the Pearl Jam syndrome or something. People artist change get over it. Don't slap the man in the face. I tell you what go out and make a better album.

I have been listening to hip hop for a long time and all I can say is Em was right when he said that Hip Hop is in a state of 911. With the exception of a few artists, the streets are full of a bunch of watered down sh#t. While I give J his props for his success in making money and putting out some good tracks, at best he is good. I have no motivation to buy an album for 1 or 2 good songs, especially when radio and MTV keep shoving commerical songs down our throats over and over again. If Jay Z is the greatest like he claims---where was he when Pac and Biggie where running the game? Like Quik said, it's time to take the game back. Time to take it back to the streets, for real. When was the last time you saw a bunch of Ice and Bentleys on your block? The last time I saw a street sweeper was on Tuesday and I got a ticket for not moving my car. Please do not spend 90% of your time showing off what most of us dont got. Do you know how many scholarships a bentley could buy, how many kids you can help educate so that they dont have to go through the same sh#t you went through?

How many ya " Bozo's " kno-- Jigga was the first ever rapper to hit 60 minutes on CBS, or MTv unplugged.
Lets assume he is mysogynist,and a believes in "Big Pimpin". --Now tell me one fake-ass rapper who isn't?
They all came in the game to make money, get big, ---so he became a legend-- and some didn't!--
You haters cant blame a bother for his own success story. besides, he does contribute to the community in his own special ways, can u deny it??

Black album is dope!! Ya'll Know in your hearts-- He is a legend -- even if you don't recognize it.
Self glorification, leads to mass following-- isn't that a known fact.
Don't we all brag about our achievements on our resumes and profiles---Jigga's every album is his --Profile, his Resume. Let a brotha live and live well.. HE DESERVES IT.....

"How can I help the poor if I'm one of them" "So I got rich and gave back to me, thats the win win" -Moment of Clarity

Dude every rapper out there talks about this stuff. Take one of those bums or hustlers off your streets and make him a rock star. Then after you do that, tell him not to brag. What an idiot.

Trade Man

Noel: LL Cool J did MTV Unplugged about ten years before Jay Z, an appearence largely remembered for the unnatural amounts of deodorant LL had flaking off his underarms.

I wonder what JayZ is doing...
humm...I wonder what JaY-z is listenin to?

DAmn, JusLiSten 'around and about.
pass me the weed i'mma put the ashes out.
Nas took the crown as king, while Jayz was listenin to him.

How many fucking ears do you fucks have?
both my ears agree that jayz is dope but the finest dope is out in the west coast.

Ahiyo, i think i got strep throat

i think the balck ablum is aiight.Its not a reasonable doubt,but its good. jay z himself said what more can he say. he's done. I dont even think he went hard on this album, it sounds like he did in one week,but still i think he;s one of the greatest.

i think the hip hop game is going to be wack after jay leaves,and to all ya jay hatas ya just frontin ya know ya like him,ya just mad that he's more successful than your favorite rapper. ya dont know what a true rapper is

i done told ya niggas stop fucking wit me
i done ya nigga 9 albums stop fucking wit me
i got the nine on me
i guest ya got nine lives

Look man im only gon say it once. How u gon hate on somebody thats spits off the top of they head. Who can make a song off the top of they head son. Nobody in this rap game and thats why jayz is the best.And if he was to put it on aper it would b even worse for yall rap catz.i like the way he used to flow back when reasonable doubt was out.That was fire.If the beatz is wack yall catz think the song is wack . listen to then lyrics man. u hatin cuz a person tryna make money thats sad." I HAD BLOOD CLOTS AND I AINT A JAMAICAN MAN"

I'm not saying he isn't nice,I'm saying that I feel betrayed.He came on Hot97 in New York and told Funkmaster flex he was gonna do a prequel and take it back to the streets.Well,this definitely ain't no prequel.What happened to the '12'producers '12'songs schtick? If he had to change up because of schedule problems he shouldn't have spoken so soon. And let me ask this to all you die hard JayZ fans...This guy lives in the studio,he owns his own studio for that matter and you mean to tell me on his supposed 'last' album he goes out on only about 11 or 12 songs and a bunch of filler tracks? Please. But then again we all remember what happened with the Blue Print 2....

I havnt heard one filler track on the whole album except change cloths and thats killing the radio right now. You know man at first I kinda felt betrayed too. I had all these visions in my head of what the album would sound like. Then I bought the CD and loved his vision more. Sometimes things just don't turn out like you plan. If you wanna hear reasonable doubt go buy it again.

My only question is
Who did better in sales figures-- JAY - Z or 50
how much were the exact figures anyone knows??

FIRST TO ALL TRUE JAY-Z FANS IT SADDENS ME THAT ANOTHER ONE OF OUR GREAT EMCEES IS LEAVING THE GAME (KNOWING HOV IT'S ANOTHER MONEYMAKING BRILLIANT IDEA) AS FAR AS THE BLACK ALBUM I PURCHASED IT YESTERDAY AND I WAS SATISFIED AS USUAL. I HAVE BEEN CRAVING SOME REALNESS CAUSE IM SICK OF RAPPERS TALKING ABOUT THE SAME SHIT, JIGGA SATISFIED MY CRAVINGS AND I CANT GET ENOUGH! HALF OF U MUST ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION(LISTEN CLOSELY U MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING) JIGGA IS DEFINATELY THE HOT SHIT RIGHT NOW N EVEN IF HE RETIRES HE STILL WILL BE BECAUSE BESIDES BEING 3RD N LINE OF ONE OF THE RAPPERS OF ALL TIME PLEASE CHECK YA FACTS, DUDE IS A BRILLIANT BUSINESSMAN. HE IS A VERSATILE RAPPER AND HE ISNT SCARED TO STEP OUT N TRY DIFFERENT SHIT. HE IS DEFINATELY "DID IT HIS WAY".

#1 FAN ONE LOVE"HOVA, HOVA, HOVA, HOVA, HOVA"
ENCORE

The Black Album is an excellent CD. All the people who are criticizing him, probably have never thoroughly listened to a J album. His lyrics are brilliant and you should just keep listening to his songs. You will then see how brilliant of an emcee he is. J is holding it down and might be right when he says that 5 to 10 years from now you’re going to wish there was a Jay-Z. To all the haters, stop hatin and take a time out to listen to one of the greatest emcees period.

WHAT MORE CAN I SAY OTHER THAN THAT JIGGA IZ THA GREATEST. NO RAPPER IN THA GAME IS TOUCHING HIM IN LYRICAL ABILITY AND BUISNESS SMARTS. SO YALL NEED TO QUIT HATING ON HOV CUZ HE GOT THA RAP GAME ON LOCK. HE'Z BEEN DOMINATING FOR 8 YEARS!!! 8 YEARS!!! 8 YEARS!!!! NO RAPPER HAS BEEN CONTROLLING THA GAME THAT LONG. (AND JUST CUZ LL HAS BEEN IN THA GAME A WHILE DOSEN'T MEAN HE'Z BEEN DOMINATING IT) I DON'T AGREE WITH HIS RETIREMENT BECAUSE I STILL THINK HE HAS A LOT LEFT IN HIM. WHAT IF GREAT ARTIST LIKE MARVIN GAYE, ARETHA FRANKLIN, OR JAMES BROWN RETIRED WHEN THEY WERE IN THEIR 30s IT WOULD BE A SHAME. JAY STILL HAS A LOT OF GREAT RHYMES IN HIS HEAD TO SPIT AND HE SHOULD GIVE IT TO US.

The Black Album is a GREAT cd...one of the best rap releases in recent memory...stop criticizing it because it may not measure up to Reasonable Doubt or The Blueprint 1...think of it as its own entity and appreciate it as a great way for a great rapper to leave the game...ON TOP

"Im goin somewhere nice where no mosquitos at..." Enjoy retirement Jigga

The Black Album is a GREAT cd...one of the best rap releases in recent memory...stop criticizing it because it may not measure up to Reasonable Doubt or The Blueprint 1...think of it as its own entity and appreciate it as a great way for a great rapper to leave the game...ON TOP

"Im goin somewhere nice where no mosquitos at..." Enjoy retirement Jay

The Black Album is a GREAT cd...one of the best rap releases in recent memory...stop criticizing it because it may not measure up to Reasonable Doubt or The Blueprint 1...think of it as its own entity and appreciate it as a great way for a great rapper to leave the game...ON TOP

"Im goin somewhere nice where no mosquitos at..." Enjoy retirement Jay

listened to the black album like 3 times already. and no its not an actual prequel to reasonable doubt. and i can't compare it to any of the volumes or blue prints, but thats what i was hoping for. basically jay extended himself again on this album. showing his versatility and range as an artist. no its not a reasonable doubt, but its very hard to compare that album to any other album. i'm very pleased with the end product of the black album. i think every song on this album hits us all in some way or another. there's a track on the black album that we can all relate to. i mean, u don't have to be a jay-z fan to appreciate the work he has done on this album and any of his previous albums. some people on here puttin their 2 cents in not knowing where jay is coming from. if talib and mos started rappin like jay-z what would happen? and if jay did start rhymin like common what would happen? talib and mos don't rap like jay cause they ain't been through wat jay went through. so they rhyme about their experiences. jay don't rhyme like common for the same reason. but we as the consumers tend not to think beyond what radio or mtv plays. just listen to the music. cause we all know there are people out there who listen to hip hop and think that nelly or ja rule are the truth. and nas, well he's tight. but no consistently, if u a true nas fan, what the fuck did nastradamus prove? didn't jay doing the take over bring illmatic back? stillmatic was a hot album, but that had a lot of filler too. and god's son could of been hot, but some of those tracks seemed like dood was trying to hard. and i keep reading about they thought jay was going to take it back to the streets? man, jay has crazy battle rhymes in the black album, some of ya'll just can't keep up with the word play. and as long as no one says 50 is better than we all good...cause we remember when jay spit...i'm all about dollars what the fuck is 50 cent...that was after 50 came out callin everybodys name out...
but overall, the black album will be a classic, of course the source will probably give it a 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 i mean didn't the source name nelly artist of the year or something?? haha food for thaught, u do the dishes...

i know i just posted earlier, but i was reading some comments. and edog post really bothered me. he hasn't listened to a jay-z album at all. i mean yo, don't u know eminem has done production for jay-z on two albums. and quick did production on the black album. like i said before people puttin their 2 cents with out thinking man. jay-z might rhyme about bentleys and shit like that to put on mtv and trl, he knows what sells. but if u listen to his album, he's mind frame is beyond that. and if u did listen to his music u would know that he gives back...profits from the hard knock life tour went to the victims of columbine, he has foundation with rocafella and gave 20 grand to p.diddy runs the city, which is a benefit for public education to the kids of ny...don't come on here to simply hate, get ur mind right.

I don't know what yall are talking about. Yall obviously don't know shit about the Jigga man. He is the greatest thing that has happened to rap since the likes of Pac and Biggie. Even Eminem has the upmost respect 4 him.

This man has released a CD every year for the last 8 years; which other rapper alive can boast of that....Yeah that's what I thought fools.

yall better go learn something about rap because yall obviously don't know shit, and I mean SHIT!

And 4 the record...I don't think that the Black Album is that great but it is better than any G-Unit shit, that's 4 sure!!

I've been reading this page for like the past hour and I gotta say that everybody is right in their own way (that's why it's called an opinion and not truth) one thing that I can say is that the best thing that Jay-Z ever did was take 2 Big (Notorious & L) flows and mix it up and come out with the sickest one the game has ever heard. I'm a Sean Carter fan just as much as I'm a Lamont Coleman (Big L), Christopher Wallace (B.I.G.), Tupac Shakur, Christopher Rios (Pun)& Nasir Jones fan I love them all but one thing that Hov has over all of them is that he has lasted longer than them all that's it, I know most are gonna say Nas has been around just as long as Jay but Nas waits about 2 1/2 years before he puts out an album (Nas :10 years 6 albums, Jay: 8 years 9 albums), Jay has been around long enough to make himself better and make more hits unfortunatly all 3 Big's and Pac didn't have that oppurtunity because their live's were cut short, so with all that being said in this man's opinion Jay-Z is the best.

Now about "The Black Album" good album, not on Reasonable Doubt level but up thier with the 1st Blueprint (which is his 2nd best). I've got 3 beefs with the album 1) No Pain In Da Ass/Rapping Intro, 2) No Primo and 3) "99 Problems". Pain In Da Ass should have been on the intro which would have led to Jay spittin (a la every fuckin album) it would've made it hotter, why didn't he put the 2 Premier songs he did on the album I'm pretty sure they would've been better than "99 Problems", I've got 99 problems with this song and trust me a bitch ain't one of them. Why and Sam Hell would you get Rick Rubin (Co-Founder of the "Evil Empire" Def Jam) to do your beat? I could list 99 hip-hop producers that could've did this track or better yet replaced it, it sound too much like a Beastie Boys track, sorry Jay this ain't '86 and I don't think I would've liked it back then, other than that I like the album. My favorite songs are December 4th (sounds like a sped up "Song Cry" beat, oh yeah Just Blaze did both of those songs), Allure (reminds of Cashmere Thoughts like sooo many people said already), Moment of Clarity (even with Em's predictable beat Jay spit fire) and last but not least Threats (with the R. Kelly "A Woman's Threat" sample and the dude talking stupidness makes it hot and funny as hell), the rest of the tracks are alright. Not Reasonable Doubt but he gave thee ol' college try maybe in the album coming out in '05 will be better. Remember he always compares himself to Micheal Jordan and Mike retired 2 twice and and came back twice after 2 year stints what makes you think Shawn will be any different!?

I guess this whole online thing has nuttin' to do with musicn it's only bad 4 it. Just like the magazines and stuff. I know a good MC will stand above the rest, without rumors and hype. A nice lyricist doesn't need publicity stunts, but maybe the fans like all those exciting news, truth or not.

question? i've been reading rumors about there being 2 bonus tracks on the retail version of the black album. does anyone have the retail version that has those bonus tracks? cause i got the retail version and i don't have those bonus tracks on there. so if anyone does have a version of the black album with 2 bonus tracks let me know where ya'll copped it...

I bought Jay's album the day it dropped. im a big jay fan. i respect the dude, hes been puttin out hot albums back to back, never falling off. he set the standard . the black album is an instant classic in my eyes , and anybodys eyes who knows real good music, plain and simple. Every track on that album stands out. All haters need to stop frontin and get that album. I have one particular favorite,"december 4th" which is a beautiful song that showcases Jays early years , and how hes come to be the man he is. Like he said " if u cant respect that, ya whole perspective is wack, maybe youll love me when i fade to BLACK"

One

What more can you haters say?? As much as yall want NOT to believe that Jay-Z is the BEST think about this....CONSISTENCY!!!!! year after year SINCE 96 this mans been dropping hot shit. No other rapper can touch it...from Reasonable Doubt, The Volumes, Blueprints, Best of Both Worlds, ETC...what more do u want?? Biggie and 2 pac- no doubt GREAT RAPPERS; BUT damn yall THE TORCH has been passed!!! A lot of you want to keep living back in the 90's with these 2 rappers. Jay's made it happen. The flow, the style, the swagger...Hate all you want..."Magazines said I was shallow, I never learned to swim" That line defines Jay's shytttt...Yall Jay-z fans recognize that line. As far as everything else goes...the Black Album is a great ending to A GREAT story told.
My best rappers list as of 2003....
1. JAY-Z
2.Biggie
3.2-Pac
2 and 3 are interchangable....GET USED TO IT!!! hahaha, the man deserves it... peace

Album is out--it is good. Rap changes over time. It is way different then it was when reasonable doubt came out--deal with change. Jay ain't gonna be the same on every album, that is dull and boring. Besides the album, why doesn't anyone give love to GZA the genius. I think lyrically he is up there with talib, nas, canibus etc. Wu Muthafuckas--originators

Hawleywood

Okay, I bought Jay-z's album yesterday (Sunday). I wasn't gonna buy it at first, but I figured why not support the man. If you guys know REAL music you will know that this cd was pure BULLSHIT! jAY-Z talks about the same shit in all of his cd's. To me REAL music is something that is broad. When someone can talk about things other than drugs, money, sex it gets old after a while. I challenge you guys to listen to Tupac (Me Against the World) and Nas's cd's. Tupac is far from being the best, hell its not even whose the best. Have you guys took the time to listen to Scarface, Nas, Tupac, Talib Kweli etc. If you wanna go commercial just to go platinum, then hey thats all good. But for me, I appreciate the artists who stay Real. Who can talk about things other than the obvious. Jay should have been on some other shit. That old school joint Jay did was garbage and compare the Nas' old school joint "They shootin" what Jay-z should have did was do something with Nas. Jay-z has yet, to come out with an Illmatic

"Jay status appears to be at an all time high/ perfect time to say goodbye/ when i come back like Jordan wearin' the .45 ....I need you to remember one thing--I came, I saw i conquered/ from record sales to sold out concerts" --Encore, Black Album

Gotta hand it to him. He has done what no one else has for as long and made more money than anyone along the way--that is undisputed. We can debate all day about who is the best MC but let Jay-Z finish his legacy before we start talkin like this. Frankly, Jay ain't done cus if he wants to be the #1 in everyones mind without dispute, he is only halfway there. If we had to figurativley compare his career to Jordan, Jay is taking a break at what he does best to play some minor league baseball. He'll make a Jordanesque comeback at some point. Hold your breath.

"The music business hate me cus the industry ain't make me/ hustlers and boosters embraced me, in the music i be makin" --Moment of Clarity, Black Album

tmays, what the hell are u talking about?. Its obvious this guy has never listened to one of J's albums. Its obvious this guy should not be writing about hip hop. U stupid nas fan, Reasonable Doubt was just as good as Illmatic. Jay keeps it just as real as anybody else. What u fail to realize is that jay is amazing cuz he has the perfect blend of club bangers and songs which make u listen to every word. u know what i dont understand is why people say nas is realer then Jay z. Nas is a good mc, he probably did beet jay in their battle, but fuck there was once a point in where nas tryed to go commercial but he failed. Does anyone not remember Nastradamus, and I am .... both realised in the same year both were nas attempts into becoming a commercial rapper but he failed. Does anyone not remember the whole murder inc. thing? Fact is every rapper talks about bling even the greats like 2pac and biggie. In an essence bling, drugs,and hoes is part of hip hop. Jay provides balance. And that is why he is the best mc alive. Sorry, this note was so long but "tmays" got me riled up

tmays, what the hell are u talking about?. Its obvious this guy has never listened to one of J's albums. Its obvious this guy should not be writing about hip hop. U stupid nas fan, Reasonable Doubt was just as good as Illmatic. Jay keeps it just as real as anybody else. What u fail to realize is that jay is amazing cuz he has the perfect blend of club bangers and songs which make u listen to every word. u know what i dont understand is why people say nas is realer then Jay z. Nas is a good mc, he probably did beet jay in their battle, but fuck there was once a point in where nas tryed to go commercial but he failed. Does anyone not remember Nastradamus, and I am .... both realised in the same year both were nas attempts into becoming a commercial rapper but he failed. Does anyone not remember the whole murder inc. thing? Fact is every rapper talks about bling even the greats like 2pac and biggie. In an essence bling, drugs,and hoes is part of hip hop. Jay provides balance. And that is why he is the best mc alive. Sorry, this note was so long but "tmays" got me riled up

since 96' reasonable doubt hit shelves, BK and the whole NY gave him a look at and respected his senority. Lyrically S. Carter has been one of the most influencial in the rap era. Though commercial hits has been "many's opinions" of his downfall, the man was just pressin up on paper. Album after album he only shows that he is the most consistant and had preserverance. Magazines and reviewers give him a bad name because they think jay lacks moral judgment. The Black album is symbolic. His last resort and the endin of his chapter. The album is prospective. This album is a must "cop that shit" kinda shit. Hov is the only man to release wax after wax every year. disclude me if u think im on his jock. im just giving ups to a man that has inspired me through his career. An entraupaneur, a symbol, a man that chaged the game through many ways. The Black would be what he'd said it be many years ago, the ended of his chapter. I bought the album yesterday. track 3 "dec. 14th" is truly genius, its indignified and shows mainstream that hip hop to him was raw, little do people respect what he's trying to say. For all the jay haters, dont hate becuase he's made money, what more can the man say? but just remember through my prospective, 15 years from now jay z's waxes will be heard on many of year own stereos, maybe time over time..people will state that obvious and repect this man.

"If you cant respect that your whole perspective is wack maybe you'll love him when he fades to black."

S. Carter

QueensBridge holla back
one love to the state of NY
-Sicere

Classic, it was noting less than a classic,jay has to get five mic's for this one. I am a Jay-Z fan i love his lyrics,and his whole swagger,truly he is the best ever and he proved it with 'The Black Album" he got back to that hardcore rap ya know? i loved the Blueprint 2 a lot of people had Questions about it i loved it because he was just chillin and making great music. I dont want jay to retire i really enjoy him alot,he killed nas and after that he has just been a wizard in hip hop he is the best by far AND TO ALL THE HATERS 'WHO'S THE NICES LIFE OR LIKE THIS ON THESE MIC DEVICES AND I DONT WRITE THIS" (JAY-Z) Holla!!!!!!!!!!!

Classic, it was noting less than a classic,jay has to get five mic's for this one. I am a Jay-Z fan i love his lyrics,and his whole swagger,truly he is the best ever and he proved it with 'The Black Album" he got back to that hardcore rap ya know? i loved the Blueprint 2 a lot of people had Questions about it i loved it because he was just chillin and making great music. I dont want jay to retire i really enjoy him alot,he killed nas and after that he has just been a wizard in hip hop he is the best by far AND TO ALL THE HATERS 'WHO'S THE NICES LIFE OR LIKE THIS ON THESE MIC DEVICES AND I DONT WRITE THIS" (JAY-Z) Holla!!!!!!!!!!!

I’ight sat here and read everybody’s opinion did what the man said made him leave the game alone. Mostly everybody comparing this album to his other albums not anybody else’s out there. The reason other rappers don’t even come close to him. Only people to compare him to are BIG & PAC. In MY OPINION even though I from NY, Pac was the greatest nobody including Jay touch the masses the way Pac did: politically, thuggust, clubbangers, and songs ladies luv. Now Big was true Hip Hop told a story like no one could or have and made everybody want to be a Rapper. But he only had 2 real albums. Now Jay, this man has put out 10 albums if you count collabos and only 2 ½ has been considered flops. And Nas, Jay is the reason Nas made Stillmatic so hot. Nas Banging albums 2 ½ total Jay’s flops. Most rappers today live and die by the beat and don’t make sense in there flow. Jay usually gives you both. How many 50 songs you rewind and say thats wild how he flipped that. The problem is Jay touch both commercial and the streets. That makes both sides always want more of what brought them to Jay. Come on what other artist can make a 2 disc cd of just their radio hits. The Black Album is classic, had to listen to it twice because at first I wanted more of what I thought it should be. Then I caught myself listening to it over and over. However, this is MY OPINION “only 2 emces can be mention in the same breath as him”. My list on lyrical content and beats 2Pac, Jay-z, BIG, EM, Dre 3000

JAY Z JAY Z JAY Z Jigga that Nigga. The Cd Is Hot As Hell. My Fav Trak On Tha Cd Is ALLURE.

HE IS TRUELY A MC

JAYZ Suck Dick He Cant Rap At All Fuck that big lipped nigga Jigga THAT

SO SUCK A DICK WIT DEM BIG LIPS

Im a nas fan as well as a jay-z and i beleave althings progress or get better its just evolution so that said jay-z black album is pure progression i like it its 3 on my list of jay-z albums but ive never heard vol 1. nas is inconsistent but if you had camefrom nothing to something wouldnt your mind stray hes the best lyricist to me the list is Pac Big jay-z nas and hip hop is in danger because jay-z is gone nas has one last album coming in april . 50 is alright i just hope he grows because his lyrics are subpar , as far as eminem hes great but i cant put him on the list marshall mathers lp is a classic though but the last one is alright and the first is a no no

It was a time when MC's could grab a mic and you would be glued to a speaker until you mother would come in the room and tell you to turn it down. To me Jay Z is that rapper. I got to admit I wasn't too into Jay-Z when 2Pac carried him Nas, Biggie, Mobb Deep, and so on. With no reply until he died. Jay Z dropped this single on Puffy's No Way Out cd called Young G's, for real for real. He man handled his verse and drowned out biggie. That's when I opened my ears to his music. Cause you can somewhat relate if you was in the game like that(hustlin for a dream). Then it was the Nas battle to this day I can't understand shit Nas is saying but that's me. This last album is a rollercoaster its goes up and down. But it got some solid tracks on it like number 13. Take a sip or burn some insense and you'll understand for real where he's going with his music.

i heard jay-z is comin out with 1 more CD next year since the black album got leaked.. any body hear bout this?

BTW, the black album was a total disappointment.. only a few tracks kept me listening (Change Clothes, Lucifer, What more can i say, and that other Just Blaze produced track...) the rest of the songs were garbage. Especially that Em produced track.. i can make that beat on fruityloops!

Stop the dumb s*** Hov is hot. Track 14 and Threats alone is killing anybody out there.

Jay-Z should be compared to Shakespeare not Nas,Biggie and Pac. No disrespect but half the reason yall love Pac and Big so much is because they died. Truth be told if they were still out doing they s*** yall would have something negative to say. Can't speak ill of the dead.
Don't even get me started on the Nas thing cause that nigga is some bullshit. Anybody who honestly supports Nas is blind. On God son he complains about R&B/Rappers but he makes a song with Ja-rule and ashanti. He complains about people putting famous singers on the albums but he has Alicia Keys,Claudette and Kelis on the album. Ne ways Jay answers half yall questions himself which shows you in is in tune with the real world unlike some artists.

I say Jay is like Shakespeare because he was a lyrical genius but if you got all this knowledge in your head and nobody understand you except yourself and a select few then whats the point. When Shakespeare wrote his plays he through everything in there so he could hold everybody's attention from the royalty to the poor and that is why his stuff is still relevant now.
Jay said he dumb down his music to appeal to the public and doubled his dollars. Look at what gets play now (Ludacris, Nelly) thats what the masses want to hear. So Jay in his genuis gets the public by giving them what they want and sprinkling some knowledge in with it ya know.

Jay is the best cause he has vision like no other mc rap is not just about the music it's a culture. Jay showed us that we don't have to be underground barely making it and what not. No he say if you poor get your hustle on make money do it your way and that's mo realla then anything them so-called conscious rappers have ever said.

Look at hip-hop culture right now it's thriving and Jay is the creator, the god, HOVA-BABY!

Although I did buy Jay-Z's CD the Black Album,I'm
not able to enjoy the monies going to one of
the major label chains such as UNIVERSAL.I own
eight of his releases and to compare this new
joint with Reasonable Doubt,In My Lifetime,etc.
would be unfair.Although he's one of the great
lyricists,I'd rather hear some political and
social content addressing injustice and denouncing
the hypocrises of the RIAA,law enforcement,and the
quest for street and political equality.I would
denounce some of his subject matter,and personally
I'm glad Shawn Carter gave some insights to why
he dumb down his lyrics and chose not to spit
lyrics like a Common,a Talib Kweli,Rakim,KRS-One,
or any emcee who expresses the Gift of Gab with
integrity.Did I mention Gift of Gab from Blackalicious? Not wack,but I'll save the
comparisons of classic albums for others to
debate.

PEACE

STrictly for ROMARK:

hey bitch, how are you. That bow wow shit and jayz in the same sentence was to emphasize sarcasm, because i said i was from columbus, ohio.
Eminem already took the throne so calm the fuck down. go change your clothes faggot, i'm not wasting time searching the shit on Kazaa again. Moment of clarity, moment of honesty, keep thinking the black album is a classic, and you yourself will fail to admit it in 3 weeks.

so now we got the bow wow shit straightened out because you took shit out of sentences. and after analyzing the album, i can live without it. And the world can live without Jay Z.

I dont give a fuck if he's your idle/role model/mentor. I was disappointed when Slim Shady came out with...wait thats never happened, so therefore he sits as king.

Of course Jayz can sell, dumbfucks like Romark go out and actually buy his shit.
Romark, put that CD in a car with a system, i dont care if its lightening audio or pioneers, 12in., or 10in. subs, shit stinks!

TO MINTHIN

carry your bitch ass back to columbus ohio...you aint know shit about rap. go ahead and listen to some eminem and nelly pop shit all day. caus if you knew a damn thing about rap youd know j hova is king, and that its about more than what beat sounds good with your speakers.

"remember one thing, i came i saw i conquered"- straight off the black...exactly how it went

i'll tell u why jay z is one of the best mc's n why he is not commercial.... ok fair enuf he done commercial rhymes but look at his non commercial music n u will hear REAL talent.... for one, he doesnt write his music.. he jus raps it...tell me who else does that n cums across as literate?. also, look at the type of metpahors he uses..there aint many rappers who use that level of metaphors, jus ya basic s**t ... if u dont believe me...here are jus afew tunes to listento: Peoples Court, This life for ever, Politics As Usual or Come And Get Me...these aint commercial tunes...they r TALENT!.... jus listen n c for ya self. DONT HATE, APPRECIATE! peace n 1 luv to all.

u on some movie shit man. Whud i say? yeah comin from the mid fucking west, your the bitch ass prolly fat with big breasts.
J. hova haha homo. fuck nelly too. pussy i grew up to rap, i've been scammed, snuffed, skimped for weed when 20 years ago i still had my baby teeth. whatchu' know about graffiti and underground b-boys. who's the pop MC, oh is that Jay Z and N.E.R.D. back at it again? iz that Jay Z spitting over a beat that is driven by pop music? Go listen to infinite, then listen to Illmatic, and you'll still have a little dick.

ok. u can have it your way. Listen to pacewon dissin eminem "rap muzic". he disses Em like royce did, but i still have the decency to open up to all opinions.

Fact, jay-z is pop.
Fact, Biggy never played himself out, did he?
pussy.

Sprinkle a lil BiG L on top while your at it bitch.
No one wants to listen to hard rhymes and shitty beats.

N.E.R.D. is hardcore yo comin from that faggots' mouth.
Pop shit, looks who's video is on Mtv, Pharell and asian boy making beats with JiGGa?!!

You obviously dont get high enuff. or else u'd know how to Stunt.
lil bitch

spit your best lines fuckin chunk...go on gangsta, flow.
stop, n' load.
i'mma toss off and stick the whole load in your mouth if u talk again.

U aint the playa, you too much of the fan.
-minithin,

I havent heard the disc yet Im gettin it tomorrow cuz im in cananda we dont get it yet anyways im just sayin to all the ppl who dont see why hes one of the best ever the dude alone put out what 11 albums in 8 years or sumthin like that? besdies that the absolute most incredible fact is jay dont write he just gets in the booth and spits whats on his mind u name one freestyler who can be in mainstream and be platinum plus on all albums give u 2 classics (reasonable doubt,blueprint) and this one should make it 3 and his flow someone was sayin whats good about his flow? u cant be serious... like he said he comes apart then evolves with the flow and its all crazy cuz its fresstyle its creative and even top dawgs like scarface are sayin hes the best mc alive dmx is sayin him and jay are the best out there its all over now but jay should always be remembered as the best and big jay-z biggie smalls make ya shit ya draws!

Black Album is 5mic worthy. Its like an autobiography, you gotta understand that he pumps out more classics than a jukebox. He's not the greatest but he is a great rapper. For all the J-Z haters out there, In the words of Jigga

"you can't fuck with me, go play somewhere, I'm busy. And all you other cats throwin shots at Jigga, you'll only get half a bar: fuck y'all N****z "

Minithin

Biggie didn't play himself out, but VH1 does a pretty good job of it for him. Fact is that Big and Pac are just as pop as anyone. Who else's on VH1 more then them. They died and went pop. Look Mr. I'm hardcore (I listen to all this underground shit that nobody gives a fuck about)almost every emcee out there is pop. You talk about the neptunes. Who is more pop then P. Diddy? Oh and who did that fake ass shit with him "you can hate me now" on a cross, trying to be pac. I believe that was Nas. I could sit here and list a bunch of sorry ass pop shit that nas tryed to pull off, but I won't waist my time. Actually I should, cause I've already waisted enough time reading your pathetic attempt at writing lyrics. I also guess you don't listen to 50 or em. Who's more pop then those 2? While Jay was on the cover of the life section of the USA today (country's most prestigest news paper) this week. 50 was on the cover of teen people. Need I say more. I know you must be one those people who try to only listen to music that people have never heard, some real underground shit. Man that shit ain't no more real then anything else and the first chance any of your so called artist gets they'll sell out too. You aint no different then any of those gothic kids walking around talking about their indipendent bands. You just listen to different music.

I'm sure you'll try to come back with one of your mind bending raps. Please save yourself the embarresment. Keep that shit underground so nerds like you can listen to it.

Your king slim shady is the most pop rapper in the game. You stupid fuck.

Your king slim shady is the most pop rapper in the game. You stupid fuck.

Your king slim shady is the most pop rapper in the game. You stupid fuck.

Yo Trade Man!!! They will never understand!! You can't breathe life into dead bodies. Reading your comments you are one that knows much more about music than the fake MC's and wannabe Homo thugs on this page. Don't waste your breath cuz to them: Eminem's "My Name is" is a classic. Nuff said!!! One yourself.

Jiggas the greatest!

Cop dat CD.
1

felix...50's talking about himself. And all this hating on jay must stop. Especially with rappers like 50 spitting stupid shit like that. His eight year run was the sickest 8 year run ever. The only mc who has even touched him during that time was nas....the black album is hot simply because its better than all the other crap out

TRademan,

You defining Pop as in popular. Listen to Jayz's song that he put out as a video to represent his upcoming album. Change your clothes, i could imagine wyclef strumming his guitar over it. ITs NOT a Jay-z beat. agree?
I do listen to 50, but after i saw him perform live on tv, there's nothing about him that makes me want to be a 50cent fanatic. His mixtapes are dope but arent popular as much as his
[]0 .[] .M .[]0. song.

P.Diddy is a fag, anyone who sports a mohawk this time of year should get their ass kicked.
Nas really never let me down with the whole pop thing, but "I know I can", sounded fruity, didn't it?

JayZ might as well have Mase in his fuckin video.

When i said shady, did i say the Eminem show? I said infinite, which was put out is 1995. Aint even sold in stores no more.

3 strikes your out

no wonder pac didnt like Jayz..stupid fuck

"You just listen to different music" -Trademan

Half the time i'm listening to the same shit you do, when the other half of the time, i'm making shit like they do.

who couldnt spit on Renegade? couldnt do shit with moment of clarity either. he wasted another beat...
I might retire this Ez-board if no one backs me up.
cause i'm a pussy and a quitter, get it? quitter, hahaha. like i'm retired now. No wonder Nas aint saying shit lately, they are no longer on the same level.

why does Royce da 5'9 sound better on the original Renegade than Jigga?

.......and for those who dont know.

trade man aint a fuckin genuis.

Jay-Z appeared on a song "New York's Finest" with Biggie which dissed 2Pac.
2Pac replied by dissing Jay-Z on "Bomb First (My Second Reply)," "Against All Odds" and "All Out."

And Even though they were enemies at some award show when Jay-Z got his award he said "2Pac 4 Eva" which showed he really liked Pac.

Only bitches hop around. Put jayz on a leash, better yet lets all holla, "Rest IN Peace."

DO YOU FOOLS LISTEN TO MUSIC OR DO YOU JUST SKIM THROUGH IT!!!!!!! I'M INFLUENCED BY THE GHETTO YOU RUINED THE SAME DUDE YOU GAVE NOTHING I MADE SOMETHING DOING.

BY THE WAY WHO IS OBIE TRICE????? SOME BUM!!!!!

yo this minithin fuck is an idiot. He says hes from columbus the city which gave us such legendary rappers as ... wait never mind, columbus aint shit either is this fuck. Talkin about how jay is pop, and yet eminem is the king. Even eminem says jay is one of the best around. Fuck and i am sick of seeing slim shady at every award show, and his video on all the time. This fuckin idiot need to come live up nyc to truly understand what jay z talkin about. I see this dumb fuck like to spit some lines like he is some sort of gangsta, fuck u idiot true g's wouldn't be on some internet message board all fuckin day. Shut up the fuck up pussy. talkin about nas, how many times did pac rip nas, Biggie fuckin stole the crown from nas. Nas has been ripped by the legends. This minthin fuck really needs to brush up on his history, learn that the bronx invented hip hop and no one does it better, espically no fuckin bitches from columbus.

uhh i grew up in lower east side. dumb hoe i go to school at ohio state university and participate in riots.
Mt. vernon is closer to bronx than u'll ever be

Minivan

I'd tell you not to throw rocks at the thrown, but your only throwing pebbles. First off your right I am defining pop as popular, what the fuck were you defining it as. In the society we live in today all most every genre can be considered a part of pop culture. Now in terms of your definition, I've never seen a Jay-Z album sold in the pop section. I've never heard a Jay song up for any pop awards. So if pop is not defined by popular. How is he pop? Oh I know because he released a catchy song for his first single. Damn I havn't heard of any artist doing that (your an idiot). That's how artist sell albums, but I forgot you only buy that shit don't sell. So you might not beaware of that. Keep listening to Royce, he might make it on another video game soundtrack someday.

What kind of point were trying to make with this pac dissed jay or jay dissed pac shit. Like I didn't know that. Infact were we even discussing that? No! So what's your point? Do you even have one? I think you do, it's just not valid. Son nothing you have said on this site as been worth reading. Actually I take that back I got a few laughs from your fake ass raps. Man your shit ain't ill it's illiterate. You may no a fraction about rap, but you know nothing about music.

Michael Jackson's nose is more real then you. So quit like you said because nobody is going to back up someone who can't even back themself. Think about the subject before you write.

The Trade Man

By the way it's Brooklyn's finest. Go participate in a riot or something.

Yo Minthin Son of ma bitches u dick rider shut da fuck up u little bitch. Dont ever ever writte again u hear me fuck i band u from this site u Piece of Cunt.U dat type of cats who has is hair dyed blond like Em u fuckin fag get da fuckl out of here bitch Nigga. I aint from da bronx im from Canada i will slap u with so snow in my hands bitch actin like u gon do somin actin like u an Mc u FAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Get da fuck out BOUNCE BITCH

Solely for Minithin...

aiite, so u wanna call me a bitch...bet u wouldn't call nobody in here a bitch or pussy if this was live fucka. u don't know me, fake gangsta. i was gettin at you to see if u could clarify why u hate on one of the greatest mc's ever. and i see in ur direct response to me, u busy quoting lines from the black album.
hey stupid u a contradiction, talkin about jay being pop but em's sold more than 20 million, and u hurt cause u know jay is a big influence on him. and u wanna say i look at jay as my idol but u givin the crown to the dood who hasn't earned the title. and yes i don't need an alias on this, while u busy callin urself minimiss or minidissed cause ur words be worthless. so please keep ur bitch comments to urself or the next time u see me, i'll be in columbus...pussy...

damn dogg, i got the skin color of a minority...no blue eyes, mr.pussyk u aint special.
Yup, those up there were my lyrics, pretty much it with no spiral on the side of it.
someone said 5 mics to the black album, so i thought it was a joke.
I'm gettin more Boo's than Eric, half-way up.
I had shit this on bookmark too.
like em, haha whudever, i got pulled over last night and i dont feel like to scrap. cause according..fuckit
everythinG was all Good just a week ago

come to columbus, we go smoke

I got news for ya minithin... in the grand scheme of things... blue eyes are definitely the minority.

if i were getting anything but boos on this page... i would be doing something wrong.

i don't normally stoop down this far, but i really enjoy hiphopmusic.com but y'all are saying the same thing over and over and... never mind...

I have also noticed that this sort of inane banter is taking over hiphopanonymous.com. Except, there is about G-Unit sneakers or something.

Maybe I am just getting too old for this kids stuff.

Go ahead... tell me how wrong I am. It won't make a difference. But do check for my book in 2004! That is, if you actually read books.

haha hey eric, lets go strum our guitars and roll fatties while we bump pioneers. nevermind.

ha ha... sounds like a plan.

these withdrawals make me talk that crazy talk

yeah, My tolerance is a bitch.

Could i get details on your book?

Minithin I see you have finally learned. Now go buy a Jay album and study it. Any one you want it don't matter. There all classics.

i think the album is all fire,aint no body fuckin wit hov.............

damn what happened mini...nothing to say to me? anyways, been listenin to the black album, and yo shits lovely. i mean jay kills it, even though some beats are suspect, rhymes are dope. cause we all know there are a lot of classics out there were the beats might of been suspect, but the rhymes made up for them...and thats the truth...yo mini i'm out in cali, ain't no way what u smoke killin mine..haha

niggas need to stop hate'en. give this man the respect he deserves. he is the god mc. no one in rap has ever done what he has done not pac, big, or nas. he makes classics. its come to a point where you only compare his albums and dont even give a fuck about anybody else. he has held rap down since 96, where is the love. he rebirthed nas an then left him in the dust. he is the greatest and any body who dont like him your hole perspective is wack maybe yall love him when he fades to black. holla

big nah...

ur line about rebirthin nas is on point...cause we all know thats true. even the true nas fans believe it too...but for real, this was suppose to be a place for reviews and feelins on the black album, but some of took it to personally. myself included..but if u don't like jay-z than of course you'll come in and drop ur 2 cents and hate. but if u at least just respect the man, than u would appreciate the black album...but if minimisses still got a problem wit me holla at ur boy..haha

My book is gonna be on some I Ching crossed with the Souls of Black Folk meets Bomb The Suburbs while Manufacuring Consent in a Communist Manifesto factory... straight from the gated community where I live with my parents.

Don't worry, it's not the least bit pretentious. I write for everybody.

I'll get it printed on rice papers and we can roll it up! Soy-based ink, baby!!

Eric-Minithin-Romark-the trade man-
I respect all of your stinkinass opinions.
I came in this chat room high as a kite
i was amused, you all amused me. i give thanks. im humble.probably cuz im broke.i got really high and really bored and came to the campus computer lab searching for knowledge how the fuck i ended up at this chat board i dont know but im glad i did cuz now i can finally express my stinkinass opinion.cuz i earned it. i read all of your shit now your reading mine. truth is i dont know who is the best rapper alive but then again im not Ms. Cleo's fucking little brother. Im me, a real poor diluted fuck.I walk around all day screaming "I suck". then tell people: "Im a scholar, people like me". now laugh at my sensless barrage of idiodic statements of pure nothingness. and check out my lack luster flow while your at it

In regard to JayZ,M,Nas on "greatest alive"

Ive thought about this debate
with the fury of radio Raheems beef
between "love & hate"
So go head and FIGHT the POWER.
My life as a grad-student
resembles that of a piss shower
sucks so bad
Ive been reading this shit
for like an hour
and yeah i make straight A's
but i cant count to 8
so i cheat to make the grade.

So now that ive expressed my stinkinass. 100

I HOPE YALL TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS...ive been a jay fan from day 1 with resonable doubt. with that being said, i dont think hes the best mc, but i do think hes the most complete mc. he has a certain something about his self that attracts people that no one eles has. i dont understand why people hold pac and biggie so high....is it cause they are dead?? dont get me wrong both pac and biggie were ill mcs but if we're talking consistancy here.... who really knew pacs lets say.....first 2 or 3 albums...not many! it wasnt until he droped "me against the world" "all eyes on me" lps that people got into him. nobody talks about "2pacalypse now" or "strictly for my niggas" my point is there has been nobody who has been on top their whole career from first album to last other than jay. now who knows what could of been...thats not even something to speculate over cause pac and big are gone. and big only had 2 albums under his belt befor his early exit. now i like eminem too but em is missing something, you know what it is....song longevity. its like once an em song has been played its done. really, when was the last time you went back to listen to an old em song? (rarely if ever) jay, big, pac all have it. em dont. im not sayin em's not good cause he is but he lacks an important element. and i cant believe im hearing 50's name coming outta some of you people. 50's hot, but this hardcore gangster image is not going to carry him consistantly for 9 or 10 straight albums like jays career has. yall 50 fans havent understood yet that you're just buying an image, do you really think that image is gonna last? 9-10 years from now are you still gonna wanna see 50 on stage in a bulletproof vest with a gun on his hip talkin about how many times hes been shot knowing that in reality he lives no where near the slums but in a suburb in connecticut in Mike tysons old mansion worth 4.5 mil. none of these rappers do the shit they say they still do....yall juss stuck on an image. as far as other mcs like talib, mos, common i hold them on a diff kind of pedalstal....they dont speak about things thats gonna keep us opressed, but rather afrocentrisity and prosperity.....and love!! (something that could not ever sell in this world today because we're too stuck on that "badboy image" to ever give anything eles a try). truthfully those mcs are far better and a lot more talented than any eminem or jay, pac or biggie......they just dont feel they need to try to appeal to an opressed audience to get their message across. dont trip tho they still makin money..they just figure "what can we do with 50mill and a positive image that we cant with 200mil and a negative image" whats the difference between a nice quartz watch that works and a rolex.....just an image!
we need to get our minds right. but im done schoolin yall, if it comes down to who got it in a mainstream commercial world....jay got it hands down. we can talk later when someone eles comes around and consistantly leads the game their whole career from first to last album. im out.
ps...im sorry all you nas fans but hes too subject inconsistant for me.....one day its this one day its that. from "black girl lost" to "oochie wally" and then back to "i know i can"
is he gonna talk about treating women with respect and prosperity or is he gonna talk about gangbanging bitches and ice, which one? he needs to find his self. his credibility is shot.

get at me.
jinx

I find it a joke that people are knockin the Black Album, when it was released at the same time as shitty G Unit's rap-by-numbers crap.

Look at the diversity on Jay's shit, then listen to Fiddy, Craig David and Young Bruk slather on about "bling" and "icey" and "freezy" and "We shinin". Anyone who thinks modern day rap can survive without MC's at the level of Hov, i got one word for ya.

Chingy.

"dont it always seem, that you dont know what you got till its gone"
-Joni Mitchell

Jinx- You're a legend.
People, the truth is here.

Everyone is flawed, but its the amount, and degree of these flaws that seperates the wheat from the chaff.

Please dont try and say that 50 is a credible MC. He's marketed to women, and the MTV generation. Raekwon kills him, but little girls dont wanna see a fat man when they can see Fiddy's muscles on TRL.

Nas is a don, but a sporadic don.

Pac and Big is a difficult one. Im not huge on Pac but you Gotta love BIG though!!!

I think Em's a legend in the making, just needs more time.

Peeeece

Jinx-loved the article

You people need to take a strong look at what this man has written you might learn something.
We need more Andre 300's in the industry. It's like pink floyd hip hop.

Flex loved the Joni Mitchell quot. It's amazing that someone on this site as even heard of her. These people don't know shit outside of rap and they know little about that.

Thanks for a breathe of fresh air guys

The Trade Man

i must say that what jinx wrote was true, even though i do not agree 100% with everything. I think Jay Z is the man, and its about time everyoe realized it. I know its hard espically for the mtv generation to realize it because of the video's jay has put out lately. But can anyone really name and mc who has been hot for this long, nope. I think its wrong for people to judge jay z as a pop rappr. Yeah he wins awards, and he goes platinum with all his records but thats due to his brilliant business sense. As for people who expected another reasonable doubt need to realize jay has matured. Why would he make a record about dealing coke or hustling when he has made it big in the game. Yeah he likes to talk about his money because thats the way industry works. Check the verse on "Moment of Clarity" Jay speaks the truth, how many other rappers would admit to what he admitted on that song. That shows how real he really is. I honestly think hip hop is in a state of emergency, think about the new up and comers Chingy, G-unit come on these guys have nothing to say. Hopefully, the spotlight will now be shone upon peoply like Mos Def, Talib Kweli, the roots, people who really have something to say, like Jay Z did only u had to actually listen to his ablum to figure that out.

damn niggas still hatin on the man huh? who did it nine summers straight?? hit after hit?? every guest appearence making the record hotter and hotter.. shit if i was jiggy i would leave too, what else he got to prove.... "jealousy is a weak emotion, yall gotta over come that"___Some real Lucifers on this bish f'real.... How bout everybody listen to "What more can i say?" then holla!!!

For those of you who havn't seen it go to MTV.com and check out the news of Eminem.

i agree with a lot of what jinx said. that was whats up. but as far as the black album jay has done it again. He is the most creative rapper right now. No disrespect to outcast. who the hell would put their mother on their album. he needs to be remembered as the greatest. I think pac left the biggest impact on rap but jay is the best rapper. jay has shown us that no matter how much success you have you can still relate to the struggle. and no rapper has had more money then jay. nobody. he has given us a blueprint on how to rape the industry. if you cant respect his music, respect his hustle. i think people really need to listen to this mans music. he is the greatest ever. stop sayin pac and big let them niggas rip.they were great but jay was the best.1

yeah, i peeped that bullshit ass eminem news!
and truthfully as a minority its dissapointing to hear that shit. i dont care if he was 18 or 15 when he made that shit, he still recorded it. as a white rapper in a dominantly black industry you shouldnt say things like that....and if you do, or did, you shouldnt make them accessable to anybody whos willin to do a lil research about you. now i know a lot of this is fueled by benzinos dislike for em but in reality, lets be real here.....the reason for em's overwhelming sucess is because of the color of his skin (he even aknowledges this) hes really good..no lie, the boy got a way with words, but his style is not exactly as original as people make him out to be. his views and subject matter, and his "dont give a fuck attitude" has been expressed way before him through such artists like n.w.a., sticky fingas, and early redman lps. it was just commonly heard throughout the black community so it was easy to overlook......until a white boy recycled it. now shit stands out and white america has someone to grab ahold of in a dominantly black industry. its unfortunate though but it'll pass. i aint surprised.

Fuck Iraq and Afghanistan... the real news is that we discovered another racist in America... and our team of experts and field reporters have now confirmed that Jay-Z has talent.

This new cd "The Black Album" did not surprise me at all on how excellent it was going to sound. I've enjoyed all of the album's he has made. I especially like listening to number 6 when i'm cruising in my S500 benz when i'm on my way to work."you know it has to be 2003" :)Nurses listen to the Roc too:) Oh Thanks Delmar for the
cd.

I feel that anybody who has the nerves to let anything negative to come otu their mouth at Jay-z shouldn't speak. It sickens me to read all this trash yall are saying about jay, because yall are the same ones nodding your head to his songs and singing the hooks to his songs. All I know is that he proves time after time he is the best around. From Reasonable Doubt to The Black Albulm. Every Albulm Jay's made has been nothing but great. I know this because i have all 13. I respect him and whatever he feels like doing let him do it because he deserves it he has held us down summer after summer.

love ya Jay and thanks
Jstokes
North Carolina

Okay, peeps! I have read all your reviews, some of which were to the contrary, so I've decided to include some lyrics from his new album for those who believe it is skeptical. If you will, please include some of these bars in your next freestyle battle, if you plan to get some "oohs and ahhs." *hint hint*

Understand that Jay-Z's style is for the more intellectual, complex mind, which is what most hip hop fans do not possess. If one asked me to use a mathematical term to define his lyrics, I would say, "absolute value." Why? Simply because the original definition was "to free from restriction or condition." Most cats disregard Jay’s talent cuz they (1) don’t understand his flow, and (2) don’t like his beats; however, once they open their minds to the "lyrical literature," they then become so-called "lyrical scholars." Thus, the restriction is then removed, allowing them to freely digest his “lyrical recipe” as food for thought. (Don't forget to do the dishes!)

Also, I used that term because the outcome of any absolute value is always positive, regardless if a negative number is within it. So, all you cats who speak negatively about Jigga, by definition, your outcomes are always positive—damn, don’t you hate that?!?!? Well, there you have it. Now check these lyrics out, and maybe you can become the next "lyrical scholar."

Dec. 4th:

-And "trust" is a word you seldom hear from us/Hustlers we don't sleep we rest one eye up/And the drought to find a man when the well dries up/You learn to work the water/without workin’ u thirst til u die, YUP!

What More Can I Say?:

-And no I ain't get shot up a whole bunch of times/Or make up shit in a whole bunch of lines/And I ain't animated, like say a, Busta Rhymes/But the real shit you get when you bust down my lines/Add that to the fact I went plat a bunch of times/Times that by my influence On pop culture/I supposed to be number one on everybody’s list/We'll see what happens when I no longer exist/Fuck this, man!

Encore:

-God your man Hov' cracked the can open again/Who you gon' find doper than him/with no pen/just draw off inspiration/Soon you gon' see you can't replace him/with cheap imitations for THESE GENERATIONS.

-And I need you to remember one thing (one thing)/I came, I saw, I conquered/from record sales, to sold out concerts.

-Young did it to death, you gotta love it/Record companies told me I couldn't cut it/Now look at me, all star-studded/Golfer above par like I putted/All cuz the shit I uttered, was utterly ridiculous/How sick is this?

Threat:

-Y'all niggaz is targets/Y'all garages for bullets/please don't make me park ‘em in your upper level/valet a couple strays from the 38 special/nigga, God bless you!

Moment of Clarity:

-The music business hate me/Cause the industry ain't make me/Hustlers and boosters embrace me/cuz the music I be makin’/I dump down for my audience/And double my dollars/They criticize me for it/Yet they all yell "Holla"/If skills sold, Truth be told/I'd probably be, Lyrically,Talib Kweli/Truthfully, I wanna rhyme like Common Sense/(But I did five Mil)/I ain't been rhymin’ like Common Sense/When your sense got that much in common/And you been hustlin’ since/Your inception, Fuck perception/Go with what makes sense/Since I know what I’m up against/We as rappers must decide what's most impor-tant/And I can't help the poor if I’m one of them/So I got rich and gave back/To me that's the win, win/The next time you see the homie and his rims spin/Just know my mind is workin’ just like them/(The rims that is).

PSA:

-Fresh out the fryin pan into the fire/I be the, music biz number one supplier.

-Let me tell you dudes what I do to protect this/I shoot at you actors like movie directors.

-Only God can judge me, so I'm gone/Either love me, or leave me alone.

Justify My Thug:

-I am the Michael Schumacher of the Roc roster/Travelin’ Mach 5, barrelin’, my power can stop God/God forgive me but I can't let them deliver me to you/Until, I won this race, then eventually/My engine gon' burn out/I get whatever is meant for me, However it turns out/fine - red line!

Lucifer:

-Like an evangelist/I can introduce you to your maker/Bring you closer to nature/Ashes after they cremate you bastards/Hope you been reading your psalms and chapters/Paying your tithes being good Catholics/I'm coming!

-I got dreams of holding a Nine milla/To Bobs killa/Askin him "why?" as my eyes fill up/These days I can't wake up with a dry pillow/Gone but not forgotten holmes/I still feel ya.

Allure:

-Or even the worst pain is the distress/Learnin’ you're the mistress only after that love gets slain/And the anger and the sorrow mixed up leads to mistrust/Now it gets tough to ever love a-gain/It’s just life!

My First Song:

-Had your boys threw place up, to a place of no return/Had to play with fire and get burned/Only way the boy ever gon' learn/Had to lay way in the cut, 'til I finally got my turn/Now I'm on top in the spot that I earned/It’s my life!

I encourage "all you other cats throwin' shot at Jigga" to listen to some of his albums when MUCH time permits. BEWARE: Jay-Z is prone to "impregnate the world when [he] comes through ya speakers."

Peace and love,

Mathematical Genius
"And I'm out like "a like term within a polynomial equation."

Jinx
i respect what you say. However, i would put all my tuition money on Eminem killing Jay in a freestyle battle. dont get me wrong im a Hovi baby fan from the door. but as far as mic skills he's second to Em. But your right Jay has the total rap package/persona. Black album is redhottchillipeppers. but it was rushed and could have been better. 3 1/2 maybe 4 mics. i mean after all "he's so far ahead of his time he's bout to start another life, if i look behind me he might pass me twice."

MERCEDES, i know alot of single nurses cuz i used to date a few. Not 1 has a 2003 S500 benz. Not 1 of them could afford it. Not making less than 50G's a year. Are you telling the truth? or are you "hummerstuntin"

MERCEDES, i know alot of single nurses cuz i used to date a few. Not 1 has a 2003 S500 benz. Not 1 of them could afford it. Not making less than 50G's a year. Are you telling the truth? or are you "hummerstuntin"

who isnt racist?
who isnt opioninated? who doesnt make judgements in their head?

i say fuck my white neighborhood and the white cops who ticket me twice this week. I say fuck dirty mexicans at taco bell who arent ethical and keep your change, (where's my bills at?)
I say fuck the kid who stole my weed at the party on High St. I just said fuck 3 different races in 3 different issues. i'm 20 and i know people arent looking at me cause of my dashing good looks. Fuck our troops too, who would sign up for that shit?

but then i think about everyone I chilled with, had a laugh, a few beers, how bout a case?, pressuring into taking another shot, let's go drive to his place! packing the dank, and it sucks we cant just get rid of the dumbfucks in every race.

After these postings, i've listened to jayz these past week, more than i ever have. I just needed some guidance

*opinionated

Jinx, i just read ur shit man and U said it the best.

I was attacted to the slim shady persona like a magnet, like tracks like "low down & dirty".
But now he's just a whiteboy who got lucky. i bet one of us couldve went to the final round in the freestyle olympics and we wouldnt have gotten a record deal. i rather see him stick to his word, maybe tie a bomb to himself and blow up the white house.

j.gambino---

honestly i cant call it...who would win in a battle between jay and em. though its not even worth our breath cause we'll never see it. however, i do know that most of jays verses are straight from the top of his head....he has a true talent and that is the ability to hear a track and instantly respond to it at a moments notice. a lot of people thought jays flow on "Renegades" was weak but even em admitted to being shoked when jay walked into the studio and listened to the track and recorded it in one take.
without writing. and whats amazing is that this du does this with about 90 percent of his music... so lets imagine what it would be like if he did take the time to actually sit and write and put a required amount of thought into his music all the time. and i aint downin em cause he hot too but alot people got caught on that 8 mile shit and put em on this lyrical freestyle genious stool when in actuality theres people of equivalent talent and even better.

The average lifetime lasts about 657,000 hours. This means one could listen to Jay-Z's new album 15,425 times in a row!!

Jay is off the top while Em is a writer.

I kinda wanna see what people think about those tapes.
He was 15, so he was still pretty much trailor trash.hahahahHA! haha!

minithin

Your all right man. You pack it and I'll clear the chamber.

I'm coming to Ohio to pull some tubes.

The Trade Man

By the way for those who care,which is probbably everybody. Jay was the #1 seller this week. That's the 6 time he's been on top.

I noticed an awful lot of these jay haters are misquoting this cat. its okay to have a different opinion than me.(I personally think Jay-Z walks the line between genius and practical). but thats besides the point...if you're goin to diss tha dude make sure you know what ur talkin about...a lot of people are only skimmin through his albums and listenin close to the radio tracks..then they derive an entire portrait of jay from the radio tracks...he himself said *paraphrasin jay*..:i dumb down my lyrics for my audience..but when he wants to get at you philisophically believe me the boy gets there. But you cant skim through his albums and hear the songs on the radio and then conclude : well all he raps about is women and money so he's a shallow rapper...you just cant do it...Jay-Z's lyrics are not going to stand out as meaningful at first because a lot of them are complex and riddled so you might miss them but they're there...just give him a minute..i swear

another thing that has come to my attention...people seem to hate the fact that jay has outstanding talent..AND HE KNOWS IT...people seem to hate that...i hear people sayin: well he brags all tha time and he thinks hes the greatest...AND!?...he is the greatest so why cant he enjoy being the greatest...it seems like as long as a cat is thankful for crumbs and allows critics to nitpick him to death and remains humble..no one will complain, but when a cat is tellin you he's the greatest and he actually is and no one can do anything about it...i think thats what gets the critics a lil choked up...they hate that...now if Jay-Z said f*ck his fans, im better than all yall too..that would be different but he shows love to his fans infinitely and we show love to him back...to me thats the win win...

Silencer

No one else needs to say a thing. I think you've summed up what me and a select few of others have been trying to say, for about a week now.

There's none greater!

The Trade Man

good post jinx....kweli gets no respect....we'll miss ya jigga

Trade Man and Silencer,

You guys have brought to light what I have been trying to say for a long time. He is the Greatest. With or without The Black Album he would still reign. Even with what some fans call sub-par albums his material is still better than 90% of the industries great material. They'll understand in 5 to 10 years. Thanks for shedding some light on those who think dark!!!!!!

ok-

any US/UK based lyricists get in contact with me ASAP to rhyme over 3/4 provisional tracks.

oh, one more thing. dont bother replying if your subject matter is cars, jewels, bling, ching, greezy, freezy or stunting.

Look forward to hearin'

Flex "Special" K

special k......i got some shit right here, and i've been wanting to hook up with someone ever since. the soundfiles i have is through a program called SOnic Forge XP.

here's a taste of minithin from within..

"...everytime i commit a crime,
I'll be clandestine,
Completely Secretive, no matter how cheap it is..."

Damn,

I just realized people called me Minivan, & minimissed...

I'll never try to be a hardass again.

Why is Jay considered one of the nicest? First of all, I think he is the nicest. Nobody, and I mean nobody has more flows then him. He has clever ass word play. It's almost like he's an architect with words. AND HE DOESN'T EVEN WRITE!!

"Who's the nicest?/
Life or lifeless, on these mic devices/
And I don't write this/"

He spits things that go right over the head of 95% of people.

"Flyer than the piece of paper bearing my name." (Flyer - Piece of paper)

On the song "22 Two's" from Reasonable Doubt, he said, "I don't follow any guidlines/ Cuz too many niggaz rob mine/ So I change styles every two rhymes/"

And forget that he spit the words Two, Too, and To in one verse in a way nobody else ever could.

People describe the way he rhymes as futuristic and novacaine. "The bowtie flow, I'll bring it to your neck/"

Want another quotable? Volume 2... Hard Knock Life. On the song "It's Like That", he said, "Cuz I, go in it deeper/ I only bone divas/ IMPREGNATE THE WORLD WHEN I COME THROUGH YOUR SPEAKERS/ (Come/ Cum)

Reasonable Doubt, "Feelin It" - "If every nigga in ya clique is rich, your clique is rugged/ Nobody will fall cuz everyone will be each other's crutches/"

His flows sound so effortless. He'll rhyme something more clearly than a lot of people speak. "No lie, just no I, chose my own fate/ I drove by the fork in the road and went straight"/ -"Renegade" from The Blueprint.

What more can I say? I can go on forever, but I'm sure you get the point. If not, he doesn't care. "Youngins ice grillin me/ OH! You not feelin me/ Fine, costs you nothin. Pay me no mind"/...." Nigga respect the game, that should be it/ What you eat don't make me shit"/ -"Ain't No Love" (Heart of the City) from The Blueprint.

All you Jaytheists should recognize.

One

Ok...enough is enough..where the hell are people getting Eminem from when they make the list of greatest MC's?..WTF..Eminem is what you call a punchline rapper..that fuckin cartoon rapper is bout as fake as it gets...First of all I think the only reason he raps in the first place is for shock value..."Look at me, i say crazy shit about pop stars, ooh im tough"..What tha fuck?...Second that fake ass cartoon claims hes from the mean trailor parks of Detroit...but i know for a fact that sombitch was born and partially raised in St. Joseph, Missouri...You got to be kidding me with that shit...It's an insult when people put him on the same level as Jay-z. Yeah he says some odd shit but who doesnt...And lets see, his realest beef is with his mom, pop stars, fred durst..and the government...man please..oh yeah i forgot, and black women...

s.carter is the tightest..that's a wrap

s.carter is the tightest..that's a wrap

Rush is the tightest ever, with Steely Dan a close 2nd.

A-yo, mr. pk? make a reference toward the black album. don't right down no LAME as verse. i see u wanna shine Fam but this is Jayz's time. be eazy dawg. reasonable doubt had to be tough and cocky considering that Jay had to crack open the door for himself. after he got his break he played the game smart. pop culture hits he put out made him a star athlete and he dont even ball literally if u feel me. Shawn carter is a tru MC and he is the greatest. " A and Nas had me feel'n like Moss in the draft. so i turned the league OUT with reasonable Doubt" -jayz. nas dont see light with Jay being on the same planet as him. hands down to jigga. THE hottest dawg and imma ride with you. and yea.. be real. i cop'd every album of his from the store. real hip hop must be saluted. dick ride'n is nice but considering that the majority of the people on here are guys, its not really too necessary. please refrain from hate'n niggas. it's cool. admit... JAY's the dopest' Holla at-cha BOY!!!

Here is the song you were quoting
It's not A&Nas it's A&R's

Fuck Nas though. He just puts a bunch of words together that sound good, but they don't mean shit. He aint no poet and he damn sure wasn't no hustler. Cormega told the real story about Nas on The True Meaning.

Here are the words to the outro of Life and Times.

Who ever thought young Shawn Carter would change the game?
Used to rap to the raindrops off my window pane
Duckin the plain cops, pushin indo and 'caine
At the kitchen table late night, no pen, just my brain
First album niggaz love me cause they thought I was poor
Guess I'm successful; industry don't love me no more
Well I'm the same nigga from your corner, bubblin raw
Skully tilted, pants saggin, damn near touchin the floor
And I come with do-rags to your so-called awards
T-shirt with my chain out like fuck y'all all
Retrospect ain't been the same since I lost my dad
He's still alive, but still fuck you, don't cross my path
A&R's had me feelin like moss in the drab
So I turned the league out with "Reasonable Doubt"
Get your CD's out, let's go, song for song
I'm the illest nigga doin it til y'all prove me wrong

The Trade Man
Do you believe?
It's Hova the God, uhh, uhh, uhh..

that's draft

Until Jay returns I'm through with hip hop. If outkast comes out with something I'll buy that. I will also support the ROC, but other then that Hip Hop SUCKS!!!!! Yeah I said it. HIP HOP SUCKS!!!! I'm going to by the new Pearl Jam CD. Shit I might even by that nes Cold Play. After watching the MC battle on MTV I have realized just how fake this music as become. I am glad that person who won was the best. Hip Hop needs help, bad. SO I beg all you fake ass white boys out there to put away all your baggy jeans and straight brimmed hats and act your color. I can't wait for the day when a preppy ass kid comes out and show's the world that you don't have to act hard to be hard. So fuck all that thug gear I'll be at EXPRESS or Sax fifth listening to Pink Floyd and I'll still know more about Rap then any of ya'll fake thugs. I'm out.
I went to catholic school k-8, my parents are still together, I live in the suburbs, and I'm still more real then any of ya'll. I've done shit that'll make you pee in your pance. I've beat up hookers for trying steel my money. I've beat up dealers for trying to sell me fake crack (get that soap out of my bag), and I'm still prettier then ya'lls. Rap don't need no more fake ass wannabe thugs, they need someone like me. Fuck Em I'm what the real white boy stands for.

The Trade Man

It's buy not by

Really Nas aint no JZ he dont compare to anything close to what "J" did but that dont mean that NAs is wak. Other than "J" who else in there whole career has stayed consistant w/ albums so stop trying to pick soley on Nas, pick on the whole industry. Cuz every nigga has switched. Snoop did, em has. Its a game to make paper and Nas is doing what everyone does (bullshit to make loot) So its wrong to talk at Nas like that. There are not that many niggas in the game today who can say that they have made a classic Cd. and for that he has to go down as one of the greats.
He may be second to J maybe third but who else can you put abouve Nas after JZ? Maybe Tupac. Biggie dont count cuz he only had two albums and we all ride his shit just cuz he died. Looking over everything BIG didnt do much. he had two hot albums and he died. His life ended to quick and just because he had two hot albums dont mean he could have had a long career like JZ, Nas or tupac.

look....i think we've already established who was the better mc in the mainstream/commercial category....and thats "jay" hands down. his career hasnt been matched by any.....period!

............new topic please!!!!!

Another point to sum up my statement. JZ has clearly said that he says whatever he had to in order to sell records. So really is he different from Nas. "I only make good from my mouth to God's ears" perfect example that what JZ tells u guys on wax isnt real at all. He just has a better formuala than Nas, or a better style that sells. So it is that simple Jz aint no more real than any other rapper, he just raps better.

Silencer,

he also raps about not telling saddam to worry bout makin another bomb, cause he's crushin the entire world wit his palm.
he is pretty old, prolly has atleast 250 tracks with his lyrics on it. Your shit didnt sum up the rock bottom part.

wow, art... you have really summed it up nicely. not that i wuz paying attention of anythang...

tarde man... yo hman... why don't you just send me an email and you can have some nice music for yourself. you are steressing it.

anyone else too...

eric@stinkzone.com

spahm donot fazemay

oh and... jay... ab out get ting al bums fo free. i only get about 30% of my albums for free. whutz uph wit dat?? and that is strictly because i am so bad at the rap game. the worst is when i get a wack single with one incredible track and i throw it away and then hear it on Friday Night Flavas or the Wake Up Show. And everyone else can shut up about Jay-Z, y'all are just freekin out cuz kanye sent him to retirement like Gray Davis in California...

Yo eric I see u like be sarcastic and shit but really, what do u be speaking on? Kanye sent who into retirment...JZ? this must be another smart ass comment or joke that nobody gets. Holla at ya boy

best emcees biggie jay z and nahhhhhh not god son kid hova put on a slammin show in lowell, Mass gonna be sad when the jigga man calls it quits but he left it off like a profesional black album another classic hova! hova! hova!

Hov's aragance has pissed people off, his consitnacy(droping an album every summer since 96)allows people to be more critical. The truth is he is the nicest MC out. other cats almost deliberatly drop albums every other year to allow people to miss them so it's a big deal when they drop album and to stretch out there contracts w/their label; not hov. He continued to make guess apperances nad drop albums not worring if others will get tired of his work.
The truth is no MC in Hip=Hop history has been able to take advantage of MTV and make what some heads call "commercial music" yet manage to create a true hip-hop DYNASTY and keep his street credibility. Even in IZZO a commercial hit lyricaly was gutter. Not many people can do that he is a Emcee's Emcee.

When I think of good mc I always think of Pac B.I.G and Jay...Can yall niggaz stop da hatin Jay is da realest mc in da game his lyrics is sick and has been keepin us hype 4 da past 8 yrs so y yall niggaz hatin now is it cuz he leavin, is it cuz his album is da #1 cd in da country be serious stop da hatin yall know da black album is tight all da songs are hits and da last song on da album closes da whole chapter of his life in da game he explains situations in life that any one can relate to its like you in his shoes jay is smart and also lyrically talented niggaz stay bitin of a jay style all these rappers right now suck 50 cent 2 be exact dat nigga came in da game wit some grimey shit dissin on niggaz who tryna make money and stunt 101 aint all dat its da chorus dat sound kinda catchy u can call me a hater or whateva u want but right now its like jay died on us and he gone 4 eva so who we have now 50:(

Chantelle

yo, i couldn't agree with you more...jay been pavin the way for cats to come into the game. i mean big and jay were the cats doin the big willie shit before it became the hip hop trend. and jay always keeps u wonderin...like damn how he do that again..and if its 50 cent thats left to rep hip hop, then we in all kinds of trouble...what i first liked about 50 was the fact that he was talkin like he was gonna change the game when he came out, but in all reality he came in and just did what every one else had been doin...cats like kool g rap and even mobb deep was doin it street, 50 just jumped on the catchy sing along songs and shit...so much love to the black album, at least we got some hip hop to listen too..

I think that the game will survive. It may not be in the next couple of yrs. but it will happen. Rap will survive and someone will come out and do it right. Legends pave ways for new legends to come. Honestly I dont see it it the near future but someone will reclaim the thrown. In every profession be it sports or music the talent recycles and some yrs seem like dry spells but then thats the perfet opportunity for a young nigga to hop in there and do it... ya know?

hay fart money....

bring me my cheese

Hey all my TRUE Jay-Z fans I am just speaking on the ablums I of course have all of Jay-Z's ablums and who ever says you cant listen to his ablums straight needs to think on anyone who really can and think back on reasonable dobut then hit me back Jay is the Mike J of rab and bigge and tupac are magic and bird face it he is a living legend and it is sad to see him go..... We will miss you J

You know whats funny. At Sam Goodies they put all the top 10 albums out, 50 being # 1. Then there is The Black Album in it's own section. When I asked the woman why the album wasn't put in the top ten section she said "because it's in a class of its own". That just sums of Jay right there. He's in a class of his own.

You know whats funny. At Sam Goodies they put all the top 10 albums out, 50 being # 1. Then there is The Black Album in it's own section. When I asked the woman why the album wasn't put in the top ten section she said "because it's in a class of its own". That just sums of Jay right there. He's in a class of his own.

GO HOME KIDS... it's waaaay past your bedtime!!

who you know greater than hov/ answer me that
yo hatin jay-z cats know where he lyrically at/
don't be mad because he went from blue to black/
and his "wackest" album still be quoted in rap/
retired because he was bored of holdin' the map/
and years later they just now gettin' his raps
now everybody jocking the way he cock his cap/
you wanna know where the proof is at?/
just mix blue and black/ get a taste of that/

it's so neccessary
Yup. 3 classics so neccessary
Now who is frontin on him? Is that neccessary

all you guys talk about is how jay-z sold so much. u think record sales make jayz a good rapper. if he is a good rapper, then what exactly does he talk about? hmm.. money cash hoes.

look he even admits it on "Moment of Clarity, in which Jay candidly admits "I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars." He is saying that yall so stupid in musical taste that he had to make a bad pop record to sell records. i sware he is wack.

Also, he has the same story as not any rapper but any person in the USA. "I sell drugs so that makes me a good rapper" If that's the case then get any guy from prison and he will be a good rapper too. Besides, Jay-Z is a MTV rapper. If he is so great what makes him special? I stand to be corrected.

The Black Album (ahem. how original.. metallica already had a black album... krs already had a blueprint). It should have been called the blueprint3: i have no gift & i am the curse.

Seriously Jay-Z is cancer to the once great hip-hop. Oh excuse me he doesnt deserve to be called a hip-hop artist. Instead a hip-pop faker. He probably paid that person so he can stab him to boost his street cred. He is not a good rapper. His style is so bland. I have money im the king and i'll act hard. roc-a-fella. hard. its so obvious. ROC A FELLA HARD. ROC. A. FELLA. Do they want people to change their sexual perference or what.

He is just a chingy who tries to act tough. Jay-Z instead of using his fairytale "i cant believe its not wanksta" image, he should try and make a tasteful record for a change. in all his videos, its always at angle from the floor where you have to look up at him. whats up with that. why do people like to look at a guy who is looking down on you. i dont understand why you guys support him unless you like being pushed around and being his bitch. yall just being programmed by the man. he has no talent. besides his money which you all like, what is great about his rapping. what does he talk about that is worth mentioning besides money & hoes. (what im da king... of selling out, making tasteless music, and dissin my own fans at the same time) wake up people. thats all im asking.

Turd bomb u aint got shit to say, i dont even know why you make a comment. Yeah obviously you got your reaction out of me you needed but really do you think making comments online means shit to me, now if we were face to face or something like that, Id have to knock you in your bitch ass mouth ya know. But really this is my last time writing to you, you should chill with it cuz your boring, your a ghost writer no one other than me will ever respond to you.
P.S. Here goes ya cheese, biatch!!!

I've listened to the album and I enjoyed it. Is he the greatest,no, but as an artist he is unique. Is he in the class of biggie, no, tupac,no, krs,no. but all of these mc's are unique and have created path for others to follow. Jay's path is a continuation of LL. LL was a succesful artist, not because of his lyrical talent, but because of his voice, his delivery, and the production. the same for jay z, I have yet to hear any issues with the beats, the delivery, or his voice. Just lyrics. who else is out there with average lyics,a distinct voice,a phat delivery and the excellent production. Check 50 cent. Be real if you want lyrics, see talib, or common. If you want a blend of the main ingredients get the black album

Jay is an insecure, wanna be MA$E/wanna be better than BIG @$$ buster. Im happy he retiring, he aint sh*T no more. He shoulda stuck to writing or something, Black Album aint sh*t and to every other real hip hop fan Jayy will always be that wanna be bad boy, yet wanna be on pac's d*ck @$$ nugga. Beans goin to jail, so now the roc really aint sh*t...Cam runnin it and he dont even like Jay...Jay dont even put a good effort on these one take @$$ albums but he know yall dumb @$$ fans given him all ur money anyway, so why should he try...how u gonna go out with that whack @$$ album? he must be scared of 50 or something...Jay just like any other soft nigga, the power of the p-u-s-s-y (B!) stole his career from him...or maybe he aint recover from Ether, cause since then everything has been garbage...lemme stop making excuses for this bum, Jay aint sh*t he has belittled himself to a gimmick

J-ova

I feel cheeze as far as the one take shit. If this nigga thought about what the fuck he was saying then his shit would be so much better. He's gotten lazy the last couple of years and I think that ether is still hurting him. I can still listen to ether toady and be like, damn, Nas fucked that nigga up. Jay aint got no shit like that. He looks to have lost the fire for spittin and he needs to call it quits cause this muthafucka aint doing no good shit no mo.

fuck i guess one ur that great ur going to have alot of haters. Those who claim to know hip hop and what it is about. Those jay z haters need to go get a head check. Espically that idiot who compared jay to chingy. Fuck a comment like that and u should be banned from posting ever again. You should be banned from listening to hip hop, cuz u dont know what the fuck u are saying. Jay z did it like no other, unlike what i hear on this page jay z lyrics are amazing i just think some people aren't smart enough to realize that. These idiots obviously dont listen to music. They are just plain ignorant. Fuck let them talk their shit cuz soon when there is no more jay and all we hear are 50 cent and Chingy, and Lil John then u will realize jay z true talents. These haters like posting their comments cuz they confused, they are just a bunch of wannabe thugs who think that listening to people like nas and 50 give them some sort of street cred. You dumb asses dont get it, and u never will, cuz u dumb fucks are to damn ignorant to realize how jay z came from the streets to build an empire. Fuck kinda like Tony Montana(scarface). Jigga dont have to put out hard street song videos cuz he rather make money, but for those who want to hear jay speak about the streets listen to his whole albums then u realize what makes him so great. So fuck the haters cuz they just a bunch of wankstas trying to downplay jay infleunce on hip hop.

"Fuck let them talk their shit cuz soon when there is no more jay and all we hear are 50 cent and Chingy, and Lil John then u will realize jay z true talents." - my name is....

In a universe with only four artists, I guess you could say Jay-Z is the best. Maybe you people do have a point. Of course, if you listened to anything other than commercial radio and TV... well, let's not be too ambitious.

I'm not a big fan of commerical hip-hop, and I don't think Jay-Z is the best mc, but the black album is a tight album.

But to me, it'll only stay a tight album in my mind if he actually did retire. If it is a marketing ploy, then fuck him.

I'm just tryin to stay above water. stay busy, stay working. I don even got a job. fuck college.

Man. there's to many fuckin haters out there. People need to give J his props. Jay is probly the most diverse and versitile rapper out there. And who the fuck was that dumb ass comparing Chingy to Jigga. That dude needs to be shot and arrested. I can't believe that fool acually said that. People need to get off main stream rap and beats for a minute and realize that true hip hop is all about the lyrics. Jay can spit it like only a few others in the rap game can. I don't no if you wanna call him the G.O.A.T. But he is definitly up there." You haters die a thousand deaths, Fake fucks face down on your housing steps"

yea fuck the disturbing the peace family.

Jay's "cerebral" lyric in dead presidents (original lyrics) came before Eminem's "one thought in my cerebral is deeper than a jeep full of people" from Infinite. Everyone looks up to somebody.

But the reason why i'm here is to tell u guys bout the songs that leaked. By Eminem: "Bully", "Monkey see Monkey Do", and the hard ones to find are "6", and D12's "come on"

Disappointed hip hop fan

Chingy did you say chingy? Man I'm not really gonna comment, but the disappointed hip hop fan should change his name to ingnorant music fan. Son you are obviously a liitle kid who doesn't have the mentality to understand a Jay-Z. So grow up a little and maybe in 5 or 6 years you can post something on this site again.

The Trade Man

Disappointed hip hop fan

Chingy did you say chingy? Man I'm not really gonna comment, but the disappointed hip hop fan should change his name to ingnorant music fan. Son you are obviously a liitle kid who doesn't have the mentality to understand a Jay-Z. So grow up a little and maybe in 5 or 6 years you can post something on this site again.

The Trade Man

1st things 1st, Disappointed hip hop fan is a dumbass
reasonable doubt - classic
blueprint - classic
black album - to be classic
haters try lovin somebody
jay's one of the best
HOLLA

Dissapointed Fan made some good points, trade man maybe ur the idiot for holding on to the "Chingy" reference.

I SEE ALL THESE IGNORANT COMMENTS HATIN ON MY MAN JAY-HOVA. IT SICKENS ME TO SEE THAT PEOPLE WHO LOVE BIGGIE HATE JAY-Z,OR PEOPLE WHO LOVE'S 50 CENT??? JAY-Z IS THE #3 GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME.(NEXT TO BIG#1 AND PAC#2) PEOPLE DONT RESPECT THE MAN WHO MADE 11 ALBUMS N 7yrs N ALL WENT PLATINUM. HES SOLD OVER 20 MILLION RECORDS N YALL CONTINUE TO DIS THE GREATEST. EVERY ALBUM WAS HOT EVEN BLUEPRINT 2 (IF U TAKE THE BEST SONGS N PUT THEM ON 1 ALBUM) JAY DID IT HIS WAY 11 TIMES

RESPECT THE #3 GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME
JAY-Z THE GREATEST ALIVE

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Dumb hip hop fan thinks when Jayz sayd "I dumbed down to my audience just to double my dollars", that he's doin it for his pop fans??
He did it cause:
he's a genius in the rap game, so he has to speak the same language in which his audience is fluent in. It Doesn't have to do with changing style, your supposed to widen your audience no matter what music u make, Pussy.

Cheeze, are u done ridin his dick?

You prolly would think Benzino has good points too, and prolly thought Big and Pac we're on the wanted list. prolly tried turnin em' in, u dumbass!

Icant wait till these kids get jumped
whiteboy

Jay is an MTV rapper, uh huh yea whudever. Metallica died in 1996. And Keep listenin to "Fuck Jay-Z" and maybe you can learn how to fight.

Yeah, Im fustrated w/ hip-hop myself. For now all I can do is bump my old shit, and wait until I hear some shit I like...But yall do have to admit...we still have OutKast!!!! But as far as JZ goes...he is the best, and I do believe that he wwont retire, he gonna do just like Mike did, so hold on JZ fans and be patient.

Cheeze

Jeez son were do I begin? Will start with #1. You said Jay is an insecure, wanna be MA$E/wanna be better than BIG @$$ buster. First of all what the fuck is an ass buster our you like five. This guys coming with some DJ Tanner shit. GO watch full house little boy. Ok let me get to the point. If Jay ever wanted to be involved with Bad Boy records I don't think it would have been that hard considering him and Big were closer then almost anybody. I mean for christ sakes the last thing the man said on Life After Death was "to the playboy jay-z (jigga) thats it". The fact of the matter was that Jay didn't want to be part of Bad Boy (owner Sean Combs). He wanted to be the head of his own label, so he started rocafella records. He started is own lable, he aint never worked for anybody else, unless you want to argue the fact that Def Jam owns part of the lable....But go watch Back Stage and you'll see how much say they have (Dash hoars those boys). Ok so now that Bad Boy thing is solved how else would you compare him to mase. I never see Jay dance around or were bright shiny clothes or write corny ass lines. I'm also sure that Jay is real insecure considering he's dating Beyonce and even if he is who cares, who isn't a little insecure at times, give the man a break.

Next your right I hear rumors all the time about Cam and Jay not getting along. Personally I could care less I lke Cam and I love the samples he finds for the diplomats. All I know is it don't matter about who like who because at the end of the day Cam's still working for Jay.

Yeah jay's scared of 50 that's hilarious. SO what Jay-Z has done the last 7 years is probbably the most impressive feat in the history of rap. This man has now set the standard and I 50's got about 6 more years to try and come close to that. So he better get out his pen and paper and try to figure out some more shit to talk about other then getting shot up. Cause believe me he's gonna were that GIMMICK out fast. He can write for days, but it'll never match what Jay comes up with in minutes. That's why he's so genius. He solves beats like mozart played the piano, purly on instict.

OH yeah like I said before Chingy doesn't belong on the same screen as Jay. So why don't you go listen to nick cannon or lil bow wow maybe there lyrics are easy enough for you to understand.

The Trade Man

P.S. If your going to post something make sure it's fact before you swear to it because all your doing is making yourself look like dumb ass, but we are who we are.

Ya gotta give it to him, he is the most talented in the game. Genius levels of sentence construction.

You will love him when he fades to black

I think jayz is good, I mean veery good & his black album; I think its out of this world. I think like he said "I kidnapped the game for 7years & y'all couldnt pay the ransome" he really kidnapped it. I just wonder how the game would be with him now. Jigga pls we still want 2 hear 4rm ya.

Fuck all u JAY-Z haters JAY is by far the best rapper out right now nobody is fucking wit jay nobody is more consistent than jay is. You heard what he said jigga held u down for six summers damn wheres the love. Fuck nas Fuck everybody in the game. Im goin to leave you wit this. them crackers gonna act like i aint on the ads the martha stewart,thats far from jewish,far from a Harvard student,just had the balls to do it,and im not through with it,in fact im just previewin it,this aint the show im just EQ'in it,1,2 and i wont stop abusin it,2 groupie girls stop false accusin it,back to the music the maybach roof is translucent niggas got a problem houston,what up b,they cant shut up me,shut down i,not even P.E, i'mma ride. now if dont bar dont change ur mind i dont no what will. IM OUT THANKS JAY FOR ALL TRHE YEARS OF MUSIC I ALWAYS COPED YOUR MUSIC THE 1st DAY IT CAME OUT GOOD LUCK JAY IN THE FUTURE WIT BEYONCE

Fuck all u JAY-Z haters JAY is by far the best rapper out right now nobody is fucking wit jay nobody is more consistent than jay is. You heard what he said jigga held u down for six summers damn wheres the love. Fuck nas Fuck everybody in the game. Im goin to leave you wit this. them crackers gonna act like i aint on the ads the martha stewart,thats far from jewish,far from a Harvard student,just had the balls to do it,and im not through with it,in fact im just previewin it,this aint the show im just EQ'in it,1,2 and i wont stop abusin it,2 groupie girls stop false accusin it,back to the music the maybach roof is translucent niggas got a problem houston,what up b,they cant shut up me,shut down i,not even P.E, i'mma ride. now if dont bar dont change ur mind i dont no what will. IM OUT THANKS JAY FOR ALL TRHE YEARS OF MUSIC I ALWAYS COPED YOUR MUSIC THE 1st DAY IT CAME OUT GOOD LUCK JAY IN THE FUTURE WIT BEYONCE

Fuck all u JAY-Z haters JAY is by far the best rapper out right now nobody is fucking wit jay nobody is more consistent than jay is. You heard what he said jigga held u down for six summers damn wheres the love. Fuck nas Fuck everybody in the game. Im goin to leave you wit this. them crackers gonna act like i aint on the ads the martha stewart,thats far from jewish,far from a Harvard student,just had the balls to do it,and im not through with it,in fact im just previewin it,this aint the show im just EQ'in it,1,2 and i wont stop abusin it,2 groupie girls stop false accusin it,back to the music the maybach roof is translucent niggas got a problem houston,what up b,they cant shut up me,shut down i,not even P.E, i'mma ride. now if dont bar dont change ur mind i dont no what will. IM OUT THANKS JAY FOR ALL TRHE YEARS OF MUSIC I ALWAYS COPED YOUR MUSIC THE 1st DAY IT CAME OUT GOOD LUCK JAY IN THE FUTURE WIT BEYONCE

Damn I made a few grammer mistakes in my arguement. You have to excuse me, but I had to put it on a level that cheeze (what a you from wisconsin?) can understand.

Damn I made a few grammer mistakes in my arguement. You have to excuse me, but I had to put it on a level that cheeze (what a you from wisconsin?) can understand.

Man i don't understand y people are always hating on jay z cuz they say he is commercial. Just cuz his albums sell alot, and his videos are on tv.

Eric, u say all i listen to is radio and tv rap, thats just bullshit. Cuz come from the bronx ive been exposed to all kinds of hip hop, man from the underground to mtv, bet, to the fools rhyming in the lobby of my apartment complex. And after hearing all that thats when i decided that jay z is the best rapper alive, cuz aint no one twist metaphors like him, aint no one tell stories like him, aint know really letting people know what they had to do to make it big in this world.

Man tells a story of a young poor ni99a just making out the struggle and becoming succussful. Yeah i know thats the story of every rapper these days but fuck aint no one tells the story like Jay. Fuck to me jay an inspiration on making it in this world.

Yeah his the tracks of the albums he releases aren't anything to brag about, but fuck they cuz his ablum to sell, so of course he gonna keep making them. But fuck if u dumb haters would just listen to his albums then u realize the man has serious talent. Fuck so it dont matter underground rappers like "little brother" to conscious rappers like "Mos Def", "Talib Kweli" or main stream artists like "Eminem", "50 cent" Jay rise above them all, so yeah jays music can get commercial but if they weren't he would still be the best rapper alive. Just this way more people can experience that.

yeah fuck the rap game.

Yall we need a new topic, we keep on recyling tha same shit. JZ is the best, chingy sucks, and 50 cent wont take the rap thrown, all of this has been proven, new topic 4 real!!!!

hey trade man...

stop wasting your breath on mis-informed people. obviously they dont "listen"....they only "hear".
and what they "hear" is exactly what they want to, so everything eles weather it be better or not, gets overlooked and labeled "weak" or "weaker" than what their willing to accept.

To whom it may apply......

i know all of this back and forth arguing dialog is all a matter of perspective and preference, but damn.......are yall really satified with comparing hip-hops #1 selling african-american artist (jay-z) (aside from pac who has only sold more due to after death releases) to the likes of chingy and 50?? both of them only got one mainstream album under they belts....even bow wow got more mainstream albums out than both 50 and chingy put together.
(NOTICE i said "mainstream" meaning commercial/televised/pop---ular) so i dont want anyone coming at me whining like "man, 50's been out for a grip" look, i know this...but before he found dre he wasnt cuttin it, he wasnt eatin healthy, his bones was still touchin...feel me?

i shouldnt have to keep asking this question everytime i write, but some of yall just dont learn without shit being repetitive...so here it is once again...now ask yourself......

who eles (other than jay) has dominated the game from the BEGINING to the END of his career, first to last album consistantly???????????

no one.

Whooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaa, trade man u are a stupid man why would u even think of sparring wit me? First off I'm from NY...dont get it twisted, the terminology used was just to make sure that my message went through, i dont know the rules on cursing in this board (i dont live here like u.) Next you sound like an asshole probably because u are one, u are the dumbest Jay-Z fan I've seen. Hmmm where shall we start? He cant just be on Bad Boy when he is signed with Def Jam...next u dont see him Dancing in funny clothes like MAsE? Try the "Sunshine" video...next why do u think he had beef with MA$E...look at Mase's hits with Biggie, Mo Money Mo Problems, Been Around the World, Only you etc...next GET OFF Jay-Z's dick!!! Once you refer to a man that breathes the same air as you do as GOD...you are officially a dick ryder, a bitch and any other submissive inferior term there is....checkmate!

J-ova

P.S. Nexxxxxxxxxxxxxxt

minithin, in the words of your late great father, (paraphrase)" you get less than half a bar" .............FUCK YOU!

This dude is funny. Dude look at you falling back on those two letters your using for a crutch. Do you think that because your from NY that makes you automatically know something about hip hop. Man let me tell you something I'm from the eastern shore of MD listen to Pink Floyd and Pearl Jam and I'll tell you more about your culture then you even know. Yeah actually your right I am an asshole. You ignorant bastard rocafella was created before def jam had anything to do with it, Dame, Jay, and Careem "BIGs" Burke started that shit out the trunk of their cars. GO watch the Streets is Watching movie they'll fill you in with the rest of the details. You must live in a time warp because I havn't heard of anybody making this argument about the mase and puffy thing in a while.

Sorry Jay didn't want to be a part of Bad Boy, maybe it was a fantasy for you or something, I don't know. You know it's funny you mentiond the sunshine video, you must have seen his interview with sway. When he brought that video up (that suit still wasn't no mase outfit) Jay isn't a lable mate and never wanted to be a lable mate. Jay is the label. Puffy signed BIG and Jay signed himself. He's like Michael Jordan he played for the team he owned. Dude your arguing something that does not exist. By the way the only one thats getting anything twisted around here is you. Your trying to twist your opinion into fact. You should give it up dude, politicians have been trying to do that for years.

Go Back to the drawing board

Trades

minithin tell this dude whats up

Hov', yeah it's that shit right there!!!
He's the greatest, nobody has done it better then him, he's got some lyrics that need some understandin', tell, Who as made a Classic Like "A Dream", " The Watcher 2", vol. 3, the Bluprint (one), he's the only rapper that made an unplugged CD with The Roots which was great, i gotta say he's not like Talib Kweli n Common, but he has something that all other rapper's don't seam to have, i mean, "What more can i say" he's the greatest, tcheyyyyyyyyyyyy, jigga what's this retiring briefing, stop this, it doesn't make any sence.............

Im glad to see you realize that you are an asshole, so im sure u dont mind me tearing you a new one...First off those two letters (NY) mean a lot...but you couldn't understand that...ask Biggie, Jordan, Babe Ruth, Frank Sinatra, Diddy, Russel, Mase, Cam, Nas and even ask ya Boy Jay...its just something about NY niggaz, but u couldnt understand that...so i wont continue with it...next you'll never know more about anything hen me, when I call you stupid, I aint even talkin shit, I reeeeally mean it, your logic has been so false in your every last post, that ive had to fall back and laugh. What I was sayin about Jay isnt fact, but sometimes u gotta read between the lines. He himself said Vol.1 (sunshine video) was his "least focused" album, mainly because he got caught up in the bad boy hype...that doesnt mean he was ready to rip up contracts,, but his style switched up...compare Reasonable doubt to Vol 1, u'll see...Jay was on every bad boy album that year, BIG's Puff's and yes Mase's (mase took shots at him in the same album!) Due to the fact that its ya mans birthday ima be easy on the both of ya....but you still have avoided the most sacriligous parts of your comment. How can you call him GOD???? Do you believe in GOD??? Because GOD says worship no other and never say his name in vain...and you do that everyday for Jay dont you..."DONT YOU SEE" he has complete control over you and its a damn shame

J-ova

P.S. MES is cool...but NY is a whole different ball game, as you grow wiser u'll understand that!

Currently New York aint got shit. besides Alicia Keys' nice ass. Thats our new topic folks.

Ahiyo my turn? You may be livin in NY, go ahead and have your bragging rights? but your punk ass bitch when i cut u up, aint bleeding blue & orange. Your the only fuck who picked up those bad boy albums, u actually listened to it. Thats not NY state of mind.

Nas is on Lil' John's album right now, u think he' dirty his style up? no. u need to get the message. Don't get it twisted yo, Cheez it a whiteboy!

Currently New York aint got shit. besides Alicia Keys' nice ass. Thats our new topic folks.

Ahiyo my turn? You may be livin in NY, go ahead and have your bragging rights? but your punk ass bitch when i cut u up, aint bleeding blue & orange. Your the only fuck who picked up those bad boy albums, u actually listened to it. Thats not NY state of mind.

Nas is on Lil' John's album right now, u think he' dirty his style up? no. u need to get the message. Don't get it twisted yo, Cheez isa whiteboy!

Yo cheeze,

SHUT THE FUCK UP, man u one stupid ni99a, talkin about how jay wanted on bad boy and all. Fuck, u claim to be from New York, man u aint sound like it cuz, i know no one here in the bronx be went out and copped no gay ass MASE album, who gives a fuck if mase called out jay, mase was custy ass rapper, aint no true ni99a really feelin him, and as for jay wanting to join bad boy who gives a fuck, man the label was makin money, so obviously any rapper looking for some green(which is every rapper) would have considered the switch, so what is NAS a fag for trying to hook up with Murder Inc, fuck no. If Jay ever wanted to hook up with puffy then it cuz he wanted the green, so fuck aint no point in having something to say if no one else can hear it.

Cheeze

All I know is old blue eyes just rolled over in his grave. Don't ever consider yourself on the same level as Sinatra, I don't care if you lived in the same house as him. Now with that said, your right I'm avoiding the comment about God because I never made one. You can go back and check every last one of my comments. The only thing that his remotely close to me saying that was when I posted the lyrics for someone from Life and Times. The only person I consider to be even close to God is typing this statement. Jay ain't God, but he works God damn hard and I'll give him his props for that. So there is your reply to your argument about a comment that I never made (you dumb fuck).

Second I love In My Lifetime it's my favorite album, so I'll never see your point there. When did he ever say that he got caught up in the Bad Boy hype, I must have missed that one. If you want I can go to MTV.com and post the interview on here for you, then maybe you can point out exactly where he said that.

You think that because he was on a few CD's that made him just wanna jump ship and leave the boat that he created. I've never heard of anybody talk about this on an interview, a magazine, a show, or even a post on a hip-hop web site, you must have been dreaming this. Maybe you got it off the streets of NY or something. Maybe you just have a thing for puffy and Mase. I don't know?

Your right about another thing though I do ride Jay-Z's jock and have been riding it for years, but the only one he's got control of is you. You hate the man, yet you spend all day writing about him, now thats bad.

How can you be from NY and not like Jay. You know whats going to happen your going to wind getting booed off this sight. Just like Nas got booed off the stage at Summer Jam in New York for trying to play ether. Your a disgrace to your state.

By the way I don't go to UMES I was born and raised on the eastern shore.

Quit using that gay ass Big Jaz guote "j-ova", it's about as old as your dumb ass arguments.

Somebody stop this guy, it's suicide
Trades

Minithin...your're frustrated and in result everything you are sayin is nonsense(you still only half a bar status)...My name is...nobody in NY liked MAse? Hmmm that comment makes me doubt where ur from cause the Bronx aint that far from Harlem and maybe u forgot his first album "Harlem World" was a classic and had half NY tryna talk like him...but I think Jay summed it up the best..."Damn, I cant even walk through Harlem again"

Trade Man you specifically took that part of the Jay-Z verse and put it after your signature in your attempt to give it more meaning...so go back and read what you wrote...actually im kinda wondering do u call your self Trade Man? Is it because youve traded your soul for jay-z dick??? And Jay said on BET that he felt it was his his worst album...and if he wasnt a Bad Boy ryder "riddle me this" why was he the OPENING ACT for the Bad Boy tour that year...yes I said OPENING ACT he swallowed his pride and opened the show as if he was a rookie in the rap game "riddle me that!"

P.S. Dont you worry about Frank Sinatra cause "real respect real"

J-ova

I have posted this from www.rapcheck.com. It was taking from MTV. Basically Jay rated all his albums. You said that In my lifetime was his least favorite. Well as you can see it did not get his lowest rating and even if it is his least favorite who cares. It still remains as my favorite of all his albums.

Reasonable Doubt (1996): 5
"I had my whole life to make that. That's my favorite. It's gonna always be my favorite because it's the first."

In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 (1997): 4.5
"I love Volume 1. I just did it wrong. I shot [videos for] the wrong singles. I had 'Where I'm From,' 'Streets Is Watching,' 'Imaginary Player,' I just went about it wrong. I'm thinking with two different records I would've killed that."

"Streets Is Watching" soundtrack (1998): 4
"We did the 'Streets Is Watching' movie because we just wanted to give people a background on Roc-A-Fella, how it got started, the type of people that we are. We was in the middle ground. Everybody on the underground knew what we was about. On the commercial level they didn¹t really know what Roc-A-Fella was about. That was the inspiration for the movie and soundtrack."

Vol. 2 ... Hard Knock Life (1998): 5
"I love Volume 2. That's my biggest album ever. I was just in a zone. Everything was just poppin.' "

Vol. 3 ...The Life and Times of S. Carter (1999): 4
"Very solid. It's a more mature album. It's a little deeper than 'Money, Cash, Hoes' and a little deeper than 'Jigga What.' It's dealing with real issues."

The Dynasty: Roc La Familia (2000): 4
"I talked about my life within that year. All the things that happened to me and the way people reacted to me, just off hearsay and off assumption. That album is so strong, so powerful."

The Blueprint (2001): 5
"The Blueprint was that foundation and everything was that one theme and it was sewed together. It's the blueprint of my life, the things that made me the way I am, that shaped me. It's all my beliefs and ideas. There's also a blueprint for rappers in this business."

The Best of Both Worlds (2002): 4
"One feeling that I have when I think about the album is blown opportunity. The whole reason the album came together was to do something creative that nobody really done before. Let's bring these two genres of music together and make something really crazy and let's go on tour and make history."

The Blueprint 2/2.1: The Gift and the Curse (2002): 3.5
"I'mma give that the lowest [rating]. Too many songs."

The Black Album (2003): 5
"My most introspective album."

Real recognize real, but do you even recognize Frank. Do you even know what he looks like. I bet you can't name 3 of his songs off the top of your head. Now don't go search the internet for Frankie Boy songs, to try and prove me wrong. Just admit it, you don't know shit about frank, dean, sammy, peter, or joey. You don't know shit about the rat pack. I'd be willing to bet you don't know shit about any other genre for that matter, except for the little bit of knowledge you about hip-hop. It's people like you that are killing rap. Son the milk is going bad and somebody needs to by a new gallon. If not for andre 3000 and a select few the game would have already spoiled. That's why Jay don't even listen to that shit any more. He listens to Cold Play and shit. J

You must have seen more into the God thing, then I intended. If there was a God of rap, Jay would be it. I guess you could call him Nas's daddy. Go listen to loon or somebody. I know your on here all bitter because you didn't get selected to be on Da Band.

Jay had to open for somebody, rocafella didn't have the money back then to put on a tour. Jay also wasn't as known back then to be a headliner. That's how you make it, it's called advertising. It took those years of swallowing pride to become the legend he has become today. He had to get his name out there some how, why not do it with Bad Boy. After all him and BIG were boys. That still don't mean that he wanted to be part of Bad Boy. So keep drawing this dumb ass argument out, since that seems to be the only one you have.

Trade Man

Cheeze,

U still talkin, what the fuck is wrong with u?
First off the second mase came out with shiny suits all the true ni99a in the bronx weren't feelin him. The only reason people in the bronx really thought he was hot cuz he and diddy kept biggie alive. U askin where im from, man if u in the ny then u probably livin in manhattan or somethin cuz u obviously dont know ur hip hop stupid. Why u talking about jay opening up for bad boy and shit, man was still coming in the game, what u expect him to sell out madison square of one or two albums, i aint never hear of rapper selling out the garden with one good album under their belt, look at 50cent man sold millions of albums but when he went on tour he had to take jay with him, and a bunch of other artists with him, what the hell are u trying prove man. The only thing riddling about ur post is y u hate so damn much?

Well every point i wanted to make you have all helped me make...I speak to teach, so dont be so defensive...i was having fun at first it was a lil competitive, but the stale responses I have been recieving leads me to believe you guys understand my points and are ready to move on...shoot at me more if u'd like but as far as im concerned im done wit u niggaz...if yall wanna talk about something new im all for it...matta fact lets take it back to the throne...i think its between me and Fabolous to reign next (yeah me, im sick wit it.)

As for you Trade Man, youve proven to me that you arent a complete idiot after all (yeah thats a lil respect)

But yeah new question WHOSE NEXT TO REIGN

P.S. "It was a very good year" "My Way"...and you already know whats next....................................................."New York, New Yoooork"

And for the record I do respect Jay-Z i just thought yall was dick ryding thats all...take it how you want to...1

Well every point i wanted to make you have all helped me make...I speak to teach, so dont be so defensive...i was having fun at first it was a lil competitive, but the stale responses I have been recieving leads me to believe you guys understand my points and are ready to move on...shoot at me more if u'd like but as far as im concerned im done wit u niggaz...if yall wanna talk about something new im all for it...matta fact lets take it back to the throne...i think its between me and Fabolous to reign next (yeah me, im sick wit it.)

As for you Trade Man, youve proven to me that you arent a complete idiot after all (yeah thats a lil respect)

But yeah new question WHOSE NEXT TO REIGN

P.S. "It was a very good year" "My Way"...and you already know whats next....................................................."New York, New Yoooork"

And for the record I do respect Jay-Z i just thought yall was dick ryding thats all...take it how you want to...1

Well every point i wanted to make you have all helped me make...I speak to teach, so dont be so defensive...i was having fun at first it was a lil competitive, but the stale responses I have been recieving leads me to believe you guys understand my points and are ready to move on...shoot at me more if u'd like but as far as im concerned im done wit u niggaz...if yall wanna talk about something new im all for it...matta fact lets take it back to the throne...i think its between me and Fabolous to reign next (yeah me, im sick wit it.)

As for you Trade Man, youve proven to me that you arent a complete idiot after all (yeah thats a lil respect)

But yeah new question WHOSE NEXT TO REIGN

P.S. "It was a very good year" "My Way"...and you already know whats next....................................................."New York, New Yoooork"

And for the record I do respect Jay-Z i just thought yall was dick ryding thats all...take it how you want to...1

Shut the fuck up, u aint foolin no one, cuz we all know u just ran out of points to make, so shut up and go find some next site to post your gay ass comments

Just cop the album. Thanks for the good reviews, peace

Jay's aiight... I dont think he's the best of all time tho... not anywhere near it. He made a lot of albums but... His first was his best n that means you aint showin no improvement... Jus like 50's hot right now... but I doubt his 2nd album will be as hot as his first...feel me? They both great artists, but can't top big or pac... But you hear it first here- anybody thats gonna be the next legend is mofuckin Terrorist Peschi! I'll be goddamned if he dont get in the game in the next year... (he talkin wit def jam but they said they dont want another gangster rapper on they team right now) he prolly gon be on DJ Absolutes next album- and he finishin up the album that'll prolly get him signed... talk bout gutta tho- he make 50 sound like he from bumblefuck texas..haha
we'll see tho one

Cheez,

I just noticed something. I can't jump you. i'd feel bad. its like when Pac shot the homelessman in Above the Rim and his friends were shocked.

New york is gonna get Bombed. Too many fucks run around there now a days, back in '96 shit was stright, and in '94 the Knicks made it. after 2001, too many people had a new sense of "nationalism" when they shouldnt be proud.

Cheez didnt even mention Wu Tang, So i guess your a fake, huh. fake huh. fake huh. fake huh. Mobb Deep, do you know what that shit is? or is that shit too minority for ya?
You've been a dick ryder your whole life.
"Watch who u are yo." -Casper from KIdS

That's my 2nd punch, wait who's that by me??
This could get ugly if My NAme is.... comes back with another attact. He told it like how it is, even a blind man with a cane could see that.

Cheez is a badass, living in NY, whoa.

I think Fabolous can get the throne, but that ast album was weak, he needs to depart from Clue...he needs to work with a vet who can point him in the right direction

Do yall tink 50 will respond to Jay's attack, if so how hard?

How about Shyne...his first album was a classic, he got a while b4 he's out, but when he does, it'll be tough

And Beans I hope he grows, his first album was classic as well...the game aint gonna be as weak as you think, if we survived the loss of Pac and BIG we can survive a Jay-Z leave of absence

The throne aint gonna be taking by any of those guys. Fab will never have the cred. I like Beans (can't wait for the B coming) and Shyne's alright, but those guys aren't saying nothing we havn't heard before. The guy that takes over the throne is going to be fresh. He's going to bring something to the table that no one has seen or heard before. He may not even rap, could be some Andre 300 type shit. This same old I'm from the street yo bull shit is getting old and if it is gonna be someone like that, then 50's got that pretty much on lock for awhile. I like the man and he's good aritst, but I'm not a huge fan. Although I do feel that no one can match his cred or his flow right now, have you heard the til I collapse remix he kills that. Plus he's got the crew to back'm; can't denie em either. Now that J's gone you gotta say that these two are next in line. So until somebody can come along to match flow with 50 and witt with Em I think they got it (as much as would hate to say it).

Fab's alright, he's gotta dank flow and he makes a mean girlie song, but I think Justin Timberlake would bust his ass. I just can't see anybody believin this guys shit and you being from NY I can't see how you can fall for it either.

I also havn't heard anybody metion anything about the RZA's new shit. That's one of the best wu albums I've heard in awhile, that song about him being a sperm cell is out of this world. "I think the woumb is the first stage of hell" He's a smart man and if you sift through the gun talk you'll find some deep shit, but that can be said about alot of people.

Fabolous's shit aint from the heart is from the mall.

Fab dont need street credit...he from BK if he felt like goin that route he could make some sh*t up, but he's better off with out it cause he has the talent to hit the game with a new twist. He do need to chill out on them chick songs, Ja Rule started the same way...but Fabolous is a lil to humble, when he gets his swag he gonna do what he wants

And you reeally sleepin on Shyne, do me a favor listen to his album one more time, its a classic, and he was only 18! He got street cred and he smart, if he signs with the right people when he gets out he'll be straight. (he obviously aint messin' wit Puff no more, Nas and Irv actually hired a lawyer to try znd get him out to give Murder Inc some street cred.)

And you wrong about Beans, cause if you wanna talk streets, hes showin u something u aint seen b4, he still livin' it, and thats a whole different percpective...and he got Jay guiding him in the background (cause u know he dont want a Cam takeover)

And to me Eminem dont even count, he's got like affirmative action goin for him, he can rap, but if he wasnt white, he aint shit, and plus he aint got nothing to talk about...50 will be around he gonna be remembered cause he gave scared niggaz a reason to say "I dont give a fuck" you know how once 50 come on, even timid niggaz start singin'...but 50 aint genuine so that cant last

da black poet, you said that jay-z didn't have good lyrics. If he didn't have good lyrics why are we repeating what he says in our everyday life. If you want to get text book on this i can school you whether or not he has good lyrics. Jay-z raps in symbolism form and subliminally. If you just "skim" a song you won't get the message you have to listen to it.Jay's symbolism is off the map. People say he raps real simple. you know athletes who make their sport look like anyone can do it. Thats real hard to do. Anyone can put a whole bunch of complicated words and put it in a rhyme. but his lyrics were fresh, and futuristic,like on "threat" listen to the first verse carefully. So to to sum it all up if he is one of the greatest of all time why wouldn't he have good lyrics? I mean doesn't lyrics play a heavy factor in being the G.o.a.t?

Your right Beans is a hard dude, probbably the hardest in the game (don't think Jada wants to see him). I like Beans I buy all his shit, but I don't know if he'll take the throne, maybe with the ROC. I've listened to shyne's album and it's phat, I don't know about classic thogh. I'd like to see what he does when he gets out. He'll probbably make a big impact.

Em being white does have a big part in his success...but you can't say that the man has nothing to say. I challenge you to come up with one rapper/rappers (excluding Outkast), that covers as many different areas as Em. Besides the little kid songs that he makes to sell albums, he almost covers a new subject in every song. Jay's my fav, but he doesn't even speak on as many different subjects as Em. You know who he reminds me off, a new age Kurdt Cobain, he's got the following just like him and everything. By the way it pains me to take up for this guy, because I've never believed the hype. I've only owned one of his albums and that was the Marshall Mather's LP. I can see his genius, but I'm still not too much on the guy and I'm white. I'd say that would ruin my cred on this site, but as you can already see my cred will never be ruined on this site. Color don't mean shit.

Your right Beans is a hard dude, probbably the hardest in the game (don't think Jada wants to see him). I like Beans I buy all his shit, but I don't know if he'll take the throne, maybe with the ROC. I've listened to shyne's album and it's phat, I don't know about classic thogh. I'd like to see what he does when he gets out. He'll probbably make a big impact.

Em being white does have a big part in his success...but you can't say that the man has nothing to say. I challenge you to come up with one rapper/rappers (excluding Outkast), that covers as many different areas as Em. Besides the little kid songs that he makes to sell albums, he almost covers a new subject in every song. Jay's my fav, but he doesn't even speak on as many different subjects as Em. You know who he reminds me off, a new age Kurdt Cobain, he's got the following just like him and everything. By the way it pains me to take up for this guy, because I've never believed the hype. I've only owned one of his albums and that was the Marshall Mather's LP. I can see his genius, but I'm still not too much on the guy and I'm white. I'd say that would ruin my cred on this site, but as you can already see my cred will never be ruined on this site. Color don't mean shit.

Your right Beans is a hard dude, probbably the hardest in the game (don't think Jada wants to see him). I like Beans I buy all his shit, but I don't know if he'll take the throne, maybe with the ROC. I've listened to shyne's album and it's phat, I don't know about classic thogh. I'd like to see what he does when he gets out. He'll probbably make a big impact.

Em being white does have a big part in his success...but you can't say that the man has nothing to say. I challenge you to come up with one rapper/rappers (excluding Outkast), that covers as many different areas as Em. Besides the little kid songs that he makes to sell albums, he almost covers a new subject in every song. Jay's my fav, but he doesn't even speak on as many different subjects as Em. You know who he reminds me off, a new age Kurdt Cobain, he's got the following just like him and everything. By the way it pains me to take up for this guy, because I've never believed the hype. I've only owned one of his albums and that was the Marshall Mather's LP. I can see his genius, but I'm still not too much on the guy and I'm white. I'd say that would ruin my cred on this site, but as you can already see my cred will never be ruined on this site. Color don't mean shit.

Color dont mean shit to us. Cause we're all color blind in here.

If anyone wants the new Eminem EP, i have all the files and will be willing to send it Through AOL instant messenger. Screenname: nimrod52

Fuck finals week, i'm out.

Hey minithin

Give me more details on the new Em shit.

Yeah he touches on a lot of areas, maybe too many. At least when Jay touches onn an area its of relevence. Plus you cant even really take anything serious a rapper says when he talks about raping his mother. Marshall Mathers was a classic LP. Eminem is nice in the sense that every once in a while you'll get a "Stan" or a "Loose Your Self." But when his only poitical theme is a simple "fuck white america" I have no choice but to wonder is he himself reading the news, "or does he just skim through it?" His street cred is very limited, he came on the Eminem Show braggin about having an unloaded gun as if that makes him a thug...and beating up puppets and dissing teenie bops and Benzino dont make him gully neither. He needs to leave the gangsta rap for 50 and Banks. He is nice, but definetly overrated.

P.S. nice to see ur change of heart minithin, because you refered to me as a "white boy!" (which is false for ur info)Not takin shots, just watch what you say

"Come on In" -D12
"Still love me" (kim 2)
"Can-i-bitch" - canibus diss, kinda like "As the world Turns" pretty funny.
"Bully"
"We are Americans"-prolly the best track on the EP.
"Monkey see monkey do"
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Here's a link to a site with all of them:

http://shadycenter.com/

At the bottom of the page where it says Audio, its all listed.

What political themes does Fabolous talk about? By the way, em is talked about so much because of his political views. Shit he was just on CNN last night because of his new lyrics on "We as Americans". The man was using raping his mother as a figure of speech (symbolism). You yourself already said it though, Marshall Mather's LP was classic. I don't see any classics under fabs belt. Infact the only classics he has are on his feet. I havn't really listened to the Em show that much, so I won't comment on that (like I said I'm not a huge fan, I do like his some of shit though). I do agree that he spars with unworthy opponents. I guess it makes him feel good to attack defensless artists. I would have laughed if Moby busted his ass at the VMA's.

If I were you I wouldn't try to defend Fab over Em, that would just show your ignorance. Don't get me wrong dude I like Fab he's alright when I'm in the club or hanging with bitches, but I would never consider him next in line, next to next to line, nor next to next to next in line. I'm not going to put him down though becasuse thats your boy and to each his own. You probbably feel something about him that I don't and I respect that. I don't like ragging on other peoples music because thats just ignorant and narrow minded.

Peace out

Trade Man

No where in my Eminem post did I mention Fabolous, so basically you have drawn that comparison on your own. Eminem is def. on a different level than Shyne Fab and Beans as far as stature...but he aint got what it takes for the throne. Maybe none of em do, but I based my comments on potential. I dont own any fabolous albums, but living in NY coppin' mix tapes I know for a fact Fabolous has the potential (Mase sound, and Jigga quality similies)...Beans has shown sick improvement and glimpses of greatness...Shyne I feel had a classic debut thats why I vouche for him.

And another question for yall off the subject, what do yall think about the amount of biting Jay does?!? Biggin' up ur brother is one thing, but plagerising is another, he takes a lot of big's rhymes and I see it no where in the credits or in the song a mention of BIG.

P.S. I have no ignorance to show

I miss kurt cobain too. I still floss his Unplugged on MTV t-shirt, but i keep it gangsta. The sun is gone, but I still have a light, is displayed on the back of it.

Who's Shyne? Oh I thought that was Biggie Smalls, back from the dead. 2Pac is a poet, Jay is off the top and Em is a writer. If anyone has any doubt about Eminem who is still on today's roster, Jus Listen:

"Infinite"
"3 Freestyles" - its 3 diff beats, you'll find it on Kazzaa. (Thats how u should judge an EMCEE, freestyles)
"Murder Murder"
"We Shine" ft. Rawkus
"Hellbound"
"Open Mic" -personal favorite

Please feel free to read the lyrics as u listen, i dont have to explain, just do. www.ohhla.com -- favorite Artists-- Eminem D12.

The average year those tracks went out is around '95. So i'm like a proud kid, watching his "team" go all the way. I copped Infinite my sophmore year in high school, 5 years later i can finally flow off the top!

Trademan,

What did they ask him about the lyrics to "We as americans"?

Well if Jay has to site all his references, then everybody else has to as well. Fabolous could make a whole CD on the lines he's taken from Jay alone. Look dude, people use other peoples lines all the time. You don't see a mention to BIG, come on dumb ass every album that Jay he has done post reasonable doubt he's mentiond BIG and kept his memory alive. I think that's citation enogh (to have the best rapper alive keep you alive through his own music and still acknowledge you well afer your gone because you were his boy). I also feel that Jay could care less about every little biting innuendo that you and every other fake ass hip hop critic speaks of. Have you ever really listen to Jay or do you just skim through his music, hearing what you want (BIG lines). By the way BIG never did what Jay did. Him and Pac were like Len Bias the best that could have been.

By the way u didn't compare Fab to Em, I thought that's what was coming though. Instead you compared him to Jay and that was even more ignorant. Give up this mase bullshit, don't nobody care about him. Go buy his new gospel album, sounds like you nee a little Jesus in your life.

Trades

cite

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/12/05/eminem.lyrics/index.html

haha secret service.
If eminem was half black, they'd make the bootleg track illegal in all 50 states. i believe it.

If a cop pulls u over, You have a 48% chance of talking your way out of a ticket if your a White Female. A 36% chance if your a white male. And a 21% "chance" if your a minority.

Good luck folks, cause shit, i was born luckless, and I’d sworn to give a fuck-less.

Ahiyo, i wasnt born with a silver spoon but i'll steal yours.

minithin,

does this guy cheeze like mall rappers are what? Cheeze I went and took a look at Fabo's lyrics and I'll be god damned if he doesn't say the same exact thing in every one his songs. His similies are ok, but they don't go beyond his jewlery or his, his cars, or his bitches. Now I no that every artist talks about those things including my boy Jay, but this guy does it every song. Dude is straight from the mall I'd be suprised if he wasn't in the Macy's day parade this year. Dude is not deep at all, not even the last little bit. I think he was discovered on star search or american idol or something. He's a black Justin Timberlake that raps. He does have a nice ass flow though.

let it go dogg, its over...

Who doesn't have a nice flow? If someone said look, here's the house, car, salary you can get..if u did this, this, and maybe that... yah Know?

Who's next on his list, Styles? Lil Romeo? Lil Flip? Nick Cannon?

Minithin be' easy, i wouldnt even Burn my own Fabolous Cd.

If your gonna stoop down to Listen to Fab, you really need to check out other genres of music.

Perhaps, Price, since u probably would like the Flamboyant Style.

Atleast pick up a guitar and realize the boundaries of music. I'm gonna tie this in with Jay-z's retirement. Smashing Pumpkins did it, RAge, and Soundgarden, but when Jay-z said Good Riddance to the game a debate sparked. If Biggy was alive, there would be no Jay-z, fake ass punk pussy who picked up his Get Rich card. He had more played out songs than Will Smith. Yea..whats the difference? 21 tracks that we keep bumpin. thats only 20 more than JT Money. HAHAah,

Minithin's future--1 more year till grad school--MBA degree-- then working 9-5 to survive.
$40,000-80,000.

UNTill I get a Mil, its hard to excel.
Hoping not to get toasted in hell, I take a roach of an L, sit there roasting, till I dwell. Mostly feeling well, I get high of the smell. I’m floating instead of moping like an angel that fell. My eyes are still red, can you tell?

Minithin

Your still dissing Jay, I thought you gave up on that..... but thats alright I've grown to like your comments about other shit.

That's probbably the best lyrics I've heard you write so far. I can actually say that I enjoyed reading them. You sound like and pretty open minded dude.

Like I said before, you pack it and I'll clear the chamber (no matter how big).

Like the part about the angel that fell

Rage and Soundgarden both broke up, they didn't retire. Zack Delaroacha is in the process of putting out a hip hop album (remind me not to buy that). Chris Cornell on the other hand teamed up with the remaing members of Rage and forme Audioslave, but you pobbably already knew that. About the remaining members of Soundgarden, I'm not sure what they are doing.

lol, I'll get some buds, after finals and after I sell these books.
Yeah I am really open minded, i lost my mind, cant find it.
My fault about Jayz, i was displacing my anger towards something else to feel better. but shit..that was an hour ago. I'm a Changed Man!
I'm sure we'd be friends man, Thats nuts how the RAge/Audioslave guitarist is coming up with a hip hop album...I think he's a perfectionist though. So maybe it'll be a mix of elements, and not just hip hop. Like when electronica first came out, and the rave scene. Or not. But it'll be new for sure.

I think open minded people do the same things. Man made beer, and God created Weed...whom do u trust?

Zack Delaroacha was the lead singer for Rage. He's not a part of Audioslave, I don't think. He's been in the process of making the hip hop album for a while now. Actually I've been hearing about it for like two years, still nothing. Maybe he fell off the face of the earth.

I trust God because all man does is smoke all my weed. My boy GOD doesn't ask for shit, I get cooked and he sits and listens. Another reason I'm on GOD's side his because he created man, so technically he created beer (I'm a vodka drinker, only the dank shit though [Belvey]). I also love some Jack D.

Tis Tis I see yall still bitter...unfortunatly your words dont move me...Ignorant, hmm doubt it, my higher level education alone puts me on a different playing field than you, but I wont take it there, cause that aint fair. But check this, you claimed I was ignorant, and gave me ur Frank Sinatra test and it was passed as soon as I read it... I have so lil faith in you and ur intellect i'll let you research, lolz...lets play a game (this will show Jiggas biting is so outta control even a die hard fan is fooled and is giving the wrong person credit

Name that Jack ("quote", paraphrase, or voice sampling"

"Who made love under the sycamore tree
Which makes me, a more sicker MC "

"Im out for Presidents to represent me"

"Some how the crack game game reminds me of the rap game"

"Here's a quote from Jay, nigga I did it my - way"

"Why is you over here lookin at me
while all these girls up in here?"

"When the Remi's in the system, ain't no tellin
Will I fuck 'em will I diss 'em, that's what they be yellin
I'm a pimp by blood, not relation
Y'all be chasin, I replace them, huh?"

"I'm so far ahead of my time, I'm bout to start another life
Look behind you, I'm bout to pass you twice"

"isn't this great, my flight leaves at eight
her flight lands at nine, my game just rewinds"

"That's why I, squeeze first ask quesions last
That's how most of these so called gangstas pass"

"I said thou shalt not fuck with raw me, or he
Face a thousand deaths from Mr. Shawn Correy"

Do ur best name in order (i know u can count) what jigga song and who he took it from

"Who made love under the sycamore tree
Which makes me, a more sicker MC "
A: (DEC 4th) that was what from BIG

"Im out for Presidents to represent me"
A: (Dead Pres) a hot line to a hot song. Same thing for the crack game, which he also sampled outkast on.

"Here's a quote from Jay, nigga I did it my - way"
A:(I did it MY way, by the way he used the Paul anchor sample for that, not the Frank sample) Frankie Boy, duh. I don't really see your point on this one cosidering that nobody did it like jay. No one started their own shit like he did. Everybody else just got banged in their head by the labels that OWNED them.

"Why is you over here lookin at me
while all these girls up in here?"
A: (Too many ho's) He got that from your boyfriend mase, but it wasn't the same line.

When the Remi's in the system, ain't no tellin
Will I fuck 'em will I diss 'em, that's what they be yellin
I'm a pimp by blood, not relation
Y'all be chasin, I replace them, huh?"
A:(Give it me) another big line

"I'm so far ahead of my time, I'm bout to start another life Look behind you, I'm bout to pass you twice"
A: (Hovi Baby) didn't know he actually bit that, I'm curious to as were he got that from.

isn't this great, my flight leaves at eight
her flight lands at nine, my game just rewinds"
A: (Girls remix) Biggin up his brother once again

"That's why I, squeeze first ask quesions last
That's how most of these so called gangstas pass"
A: (#15 on the Dynasty can't remember the name of it right off) BIG

"I said thou shalt not fuck with raw me, or he
Face a thousand deaths from Mr. Shawn Correy"
A: (#13 on the dynasty) I'm not to sure about this one, but I think it was BIG, who cares Jay made it sound better any how.

Now thats over I'd like to no all about your hight education, nerd boy. By the way you really went out on a limb with the Sinatra songs you named, you must know alot about your fellow New Yorkien. My 2 year old GOD daughter could have named those songs. You also forgot a lot more of Jay's stolen lines. You need to take a good look at not just rap, but music period. Everybody as been influenced by someone. Jim Morrison was influenced by Elvis, Sinatra, and the Velvet underground. He even used some of their lines, so next I guess your gonna tell me that he wasn't one of the greatest lyricist/poets of all times either.

Dude tell us something that we don't already know. Your as stale and stagnant as every artist you boast about on here. Come up with your own arguments and your own ideas. Don't just bring up shit from a source magazine article from like 1902. You remind me of that guy from Good Will Hunting that only made points from other peoples ideas (that he got from his textbook). Dude your probbably the fakest guy on this site. All you have done is embarrass yourself, disgraced your state for admitting your a resident, and used other peoples ideas/arguments like they were your own.

Come Original-311 (Look I cited it for you)

Trades

Ya'll know me still the same ol' G
But I been low key
Hated on by most these niggas
Wit no cheese, no deals and no G's, no wheels and no keys
No boats, no snowmobiles and no ski's
Mad at me cause
I can finally afford to provide my family wit groceries
Got a crib wit a studio and it's all full of tracks
To add to the wall full of plaques
Hangin up in the office in back of my house like trophies
But ya'll think I'm gonna let my dough freeze
Ho Please
You better bow down on both knees
Who you think taught you to smoke trees
Who you think brought you the o' G's
Eazy - E's Ice Cube's and D. O. C's and Snoop D O double G's
And a group that said muthafuck the police
Gave you a tape full of dope beats
The bomb weed stroll through in you hood
And when your album sales wasn't doin too good
Who's the doc that he told you to go see
Ya'll better listen up closely
All you niggas that said that I turned pop
Or the Firm flop
Ya'll are the reason Dre ain't been getting no sleep
So fuck ya'll all of ya'll
If ya'll don't like me blow me
Ya'll are gonna keep fuckin around wit me
And turn me back to the old me-Jay-Z

No Dr. Dre did not write that he paid Jay-Z to write it for him. This man has ghost written so much shit that he can borrow anything he wants. Go check the source from like 2000 or 2001 it had Wu tang on the cover. They'll tell you about how Jay penned these lines for Dre. Em did his shit of course....but the line

Who you think taught you to smoke trees
Who you think brought you the o' G's
Eazy - E's Ice Cube's and D. O. C's and Snoop D O double G's
And a group that said muthafuck the police

Probbably one of the greatest lines ever. It aint that deep or nothing, but it's just straight up tight. It must say something when the greatest producer ever is paying you to write for him and he's got em that could do it.

Trade Man

Notice I used the source for that!

I'm up studying the games I'm gonna bet on tommorrow and putting in my fantasy team lineup. So I figured I take up even more space on this site. Here's some lyrics for ya, tell me if he bit any of those. I hope you can undrstatnd them. You might have to clear all the mase out of your head first. This is a brilliant story. The part about him shooting his brother was discussed on 60 minutes.

"You Must Love Me"

[Kelly Price (Jay-Z)]
Talking: Throughout my life (uh huh uh huh uh)
no matter what I've done.(Right)
You've been merciful and your love endureth (yeah)
through all things (ye yeah) For that
I am eternally grateful.

[Verse 1]
Since my date of birth
bought you nothing but hurt
play those video games
stole change from ya purse
Sat on the cold court bench
'til I was arraigned in ya skirt
Saw the pain in ya face
through you maintained a smirk
All you did was motivate me
don't let 'em hold you back
What I do I turned around
and I sold you crack
I was a bastard for that
still I'm drowning in shame
Just remember one thing now
you're not to blame
You was newly seperated
tryin' to escape ya world
and through my thirst
I didn't help you
I just made things worse
I hated me and everybody
that created crack
Had me thinkin'
the newest kicks and the latest gat
Still haven't apologized
so please play this back
while I try to come to terms
with such a heinous act
you know in more than one way
cocaine numbs the brain
All I did was think about
how the funds once came
then I ran across this memory
and it stung the brain
How can you ever destroy the beauty
from which one came
That's a savage you're the reason
why me and these beats make a marriage
why I rhyme above average and
I ain't shit
Glad you got yourself together
no thanks to me
Strong and beautiful the way thangs should be
You must love me

[Chorus (K. Price) (You must love me repeats in background)]
Say that you love me
All I know say that you must love me.
Ohh yeah

[Verse 2]
We used to fight every night
but I never would suffer
just smile my big brother's
tryna make me tougher
As we grew fussing and fighting continued
as I plundered through ya stuff
and snuck ya clothes to school
Got intense real intense
as we got older
Never believed it would lead
to be popped in one of ya shoulda
With my rings knew you had it
'cause you took too long
as Mickey, Andy, and the girl that bought it looked on
Huffin' and puffin' gun in my hand
told you step outside
Hoping you said no but you hurt my pride
made our way down the steps
maybe you thought it was just a threat
or maybe ya life was just that crazy
and you was beggin' for death
try to justify this in my young mind
but ya drillin' it
and my ego hurt combined
drove me berzerk
Saw the devil in your eyes
high off more than weed
confused I just closed
my young eyes and squeezed
What a sound
opened my eyes just in time
to see ya stumbling to the ground
Damn what the fuck I done now
runnin' around in a circle
thinking I'm assed out
hot gun burnin' my waist
ran straight to Jazz' house
Like a stranger damn I just shot my nigga
and ran off into the night as if it was not my nigga
Left the scene how could I go out that way
Still you asked to see me in the hospital ya next day
You must love me.

[Chorus (You must love me repeats in background)]
What after all the wrong I've done
I know you must

[Verse 3 (Starts over last line of chorus)]
Everything in my power and within my frame
to protect you from this life and
keep you away from the game
But you was one of the few people
that I can trust
and the fact of the matter I slang
these pies for us
You put the pressure on me dearly
rarely would you let it go
Was a thousand and one times
I had to tell you no
When it was one of those days
when nobody was around
and I needed emergency trip
out of town
Searched my mental rolodex
for all the numbers I know
As you stared in my face
asking me could you go
I'm agreed said sender
everything'll go smooth
just tell her what to do
and everything'll go through
Strapped her body with them thangs
as you boarded the plane
Couldn't explain these strange feelings
that I caught im the vein
I'm thinkin' why would I send you
when I knew it ain't right
I'm thinkin' what would
make you sacrifice ya life
You must love me

Yes you said it yourself, "stolen lines"

lets see well if it were an exam you would have passed, but u still havent conquered the material (lets show ur ignorance)

"I said thou shalt not fuck with raw me, or he
Face a thousand deaths from Mr. Shawn Correy"
A: (#13 on the dynasty) I'm not to sure about this one, but I think it was BIG, who cares Jay made it sound better any how. WRONG!!!!!!!

Jay-Z does not even rap on track 13 of Dynasty (now thats ignorance), and he makes nothing sound better than BIG.

"Hovi Baby" biting was from the greatest freestyler ever, yes another NY native Big L.

What did u say Jay-Z is taking from Mase now, what a pitiful site, I suppose u feel his song was better in that case as well...HA!

P.S. And as for you wanting "to no all about your hight education"...I explained its not fair and I wont do it to ya. Now some questions for ya? Do u respect urself? Lets see besides u calling Jay-Z a higher power, you still seem to talk a lot to minithin...he had some harsh comments about white people on 12/4/03...so wheres ur heart at?!? But you know what I find the funniest is, how brave people get behind a computer. I deaded the beef for the fact that it was corny, minithin wants to fight (but does he really?) and you taking shots that I must question. Have you ever looked a Black Man in the face and called him ignorant?!? Would you say any of these things in my face for that matter? (highly doubt it) Ive seen kids like you "you can talk all day, but when its on whatcha gon' do walk away" (quote from NY native DMX) Lets get real you aint comin' after me, so both of ya just quit it, and keep this informative

My faught I must have hit the 3 instead of the 5 when I was typing. Son I've beat up black men for trying to sell me soap instead of crack and I'll look you right in the face anyday you want. You don't wanna take it there, believe me. Like I said in one of my other post. I ain't no wanna be thug white boy who rocks fake ass thug gear or try to be black. I'm true to myself and to my color. My pretty ass will fuck you up while the express shirt is still on. I am friends with many black folk and they'll all tell you not to fuck with this crazy ass white boy (cause when you get the soup bone you'll wish you had taken back every last one of your comments). You name the place and the time and I'll call payperview so that the whole world can watch me bust your fake ass. What makes calling a black man ignorant any different then calling a person from any other race ignorat? Fall back on your I'm black crutch like you do with NY. Like I said before color don't mean shit and only an IGNORANT man thinks so. By the way don't make this a racial thing because I will never take it there. I have to much repect for friends of mine to ever degrade your culture.

Give up on the pissing contest and bring it. Besides you've already been pissed on enough.

Trades

Listen young scrapper, you call pay-per-view if you'd like, your full of shit and if you wanna take it there, u trust i'm all for "shit I got more shooters in MES than you" so im giving you options, its a lose lose situation for ya, you wanna take it to NY (pleeease dont do it to yourself) or since your so hood i'll meet you at UMES (all black school around the corner from ya) like I said I got enough people up there, you dont want it stop frontin' youo dont live this life and I would prefer not to but if you want to change your face "i'll pick up the pace nothing to it" But I wont get riled up cause look I believe you but hey a couple of phone calls and you'll just boost my street cred...one on ones I play that to, so leave your info if your that dumb or you can meet me in any part of NY you feel comfortable. You a crazy ass white boy, lets see it.

P.S. I guess the answer is no you have never looked a black man in his face and called him ignorant, try it with me and you'll understand why..."goodbye!"

Son your right I don't live your life, if you live the life you talk. I am from a strong, fortunate Italian family....but I've seen and done more shit then you run away from. UMES is only about 30 mins from me. We can do it when ever you want. You can bring who ever you want I only need my cuz. Ask any of your boys if they were in a fight at Good Fella's (now chesapeke steak house) about 3 years ago. We took out 6 brothers and believe me if any of your boys were in it they'll tell you to stay your dumb ass back in NY. Son you better have a lot because me and you aint lasting longer then one fore arm to ya jaw. Ask any of your g's if they've ever heard of the Triglia family. They should considering we supply have of their colleges frieght. Son you'll wind up like Apollo.

I'm going to watch my vikings woop seattle's ass.

Basically you dont have the man power, lemme dumb-down for ya and speak in Jay terms "like eight blacks, fo' crackers, get yo' ass jumped" (Vol.3 track 6)

Basically you dont have the man power, lemme dumb-down for ya and speak in Jay terms "like eight blacks, fo' crackers, get yo' ass jumped" (Vol.3 track 6)

Basically you dont have the man power, lemme dumb-down for ya and speak in Jay terms "like eight blacks, fo' crackers, get yo' ass jumped" (Vol.3 track 6)

but seriously, I was in Maui, Hawaii 12 weeks ago, before Fall quarter had started, Out in front of my resort lookin for chronic and got scammed, for an half 1/8. shit was some tropical bud but not herb. I was pissed.

Cheez, I dont have to take shit back. 99% of my friends are whiteboys, still wanna throw down?

Dude I don't give a fuck how many you bring. Believe me I've got plenty of man power, but I don't need it nor do I want it. Like I said just give me my cuz. You know you sound typical though. Not talking about one on one just going straight for the numbers game (that's how you people do shit though)....but I don't give a fuck. Go visit your boys over the holidays. I'll be at Brew River almost every night and I know your boys know where that is. It won't be hard to find me I'll be the prettiest mother fucker in the place. Ask your boys if they seen a mexican get knocked out about three months curtousy of my fore arm shiver. Oh yeah and the only guns I'm packing are in my sleeves and I'll flex'm for ya if your still concious.

Sounds good...but we'll see whats really good, I told you where i'm at you just gimme the word

Acctualy you never told me where you were at. I think it would be a little hard to spot you in new york. I've narrowed down the small city of salisbury and the bar. I'll even wear certain color shirt or something. I aint puttin out my name on the net, not even I'm that dumb.

P.S. No heat? You might wanna reconsider "cause my crew, they do pack...them dudes is murderous" All jokes aside, you wanna do this we gon' over do this, I aint goin out to MD for no highschool beef

P.S.S Can't say I didnt warn ya...1

Dude I aint a high schooler and I don't need guns, I fight like a man. But if you wanna bring guns into it I just call my grand pops and have somebody take care of that for me.

By the way is your job to put down Jay, call him a biter, and then bite every line of his for to use as your own defense.

Yeah, let's all shoot each other over an argument on a message board! That's not stupid at all!

I aint shooting nobody If I can't beat your ass with my hands then I shouldn't be fighting.

I aint shooting nobody, if I can't woop your ass with my hands then I shouldn't be fighting. I'm just inviting old boy over to shore to get my holiday started right. I just like scuffles, win or loose.

Yeah bring grandpa and whoever else can help ya...but all i know is when u talk what you talk, you leave me no choice

Like I said Brew River. I'll being wearing a purple shirt, its my favorite color. I've got a big ass nose, but will still be the prettiest mother fucker in the place. You can bring what you want, but I'm throwin hands ace.

trade man.......cheeze---

for real now.....whats this??
whatchu tryin to prove to each other?
i see something written about shooting and gunplay in-between the two of yous beef dialog.
does it really have to come to that. if yall must fight at least keep it anonymous and between the two of you.....if its yalls fight why you gotta call other people into your confidential......thats what women/lil girls do.
at least be men and handle your own b.i.
(knuckle up) fuck bullets.....it dont take any special skill to pull a trigger......lets see who the real roy jones is.....feel me?

last thing this world needs is to see another foo in jail over some tired internet bullshit that resulted in tragedy.
do what you do, but be men about it.
im out.

Trade Man's that jigga fan who shoulda heard Mastermind
Young scrap I blast your kind
I tried hard as you saw to keep the peace
But see they poke poke and poke until the beast release
Its amazing what 3 phone calls can do
2 days and I know your routine better than you
Worst thang of all you dont even know when I'm coming
Runnin', and a life in fear is worse than torture
Now everywhere you go grandpa must escort ya
Look at the trouble this bought ya
Mini-thin do what you can to protect this lame
But if your frame is like your name your presense wont change a thang
And sorry I dont leave the state wit out my boys
And sorry once again they dont leave base wit out they toys
And Jinx I hear ya, but as BIG would say
"Mothafucka this aint back in the day" (but they dont hear me though)

What a you trying rap or something. Son make all the phone calls you want. Believe me I could give a fuck. I hope you did make some calls and are being for real. Shit I'll map my routine out for ya. I hope to see you soon. If your crew is as fake as your rhymes, I hope to see them too.

Like Jinx said bring your hands that's what real men do. If you want you can bring that gun of yours, besides BB's ands caps don't kill anybody. Dress right if you wanna get in the door because fake ass street gear a get ya sent home where I'm from. We dress like grown men, so you might not wanna wear your baggy ass jeans or timb boots they'll just tell you to leave. So dress appropriate so you can get let in and I hope to see you soon. I'm polishing up the fore arm for ya.

P.S. Grandpa aint gotta escort me nowhere I'll just call my fam up in Jamestown and I won't even have to move or get in trouble for erasing some fake ass thug off the face of the planet.

Dude you aint trying to keep peace with anybody. Your still attackin minithin well after your debate. Truth be known you just want somebody to pay attention to your lonely ass.

My heritage started and lived this gangsta shit. Ya'lls just write rhymes, watch our movies, read our history, and get sent to jail for trying to be like us. You aint shit besides some smarty arty black kid sittin behind a computer that mommy and daddy bought that listens to the music and believes he's part of it. You probbably got that black & mild in your mouth right now pretending like there's something in it cause your too scared of the real thing.

Really I shouldn't say nothing because without your race sports and music would suck.

Really I shouldn't say nothing because without your race sports and music would suck.

Yo Trade Man...your telling tha real, Italians did start that mob shit, and that gangster shit...but your on a hip hop page dawg...Our people started hip-hop so your contradictions reflect cheese's. Your calling him out...saying he's some nigga copying your heritage...but your also copying just like him...your copying our hip hop too. So if you can be infatuated w/ our hip hop then he can wanna be a gangsta. Really your all one in the same.. And truth be told...It's not a high honor or something to be proud of becasue your heritgage brought that bullshit gangsta shit anyway. Real men comprimise and do the right thing...not trip over pride.cuz any nigga can fight and get killed...but a man can step away and do the right thing!!!

Yo Trade Man...your telling tha real, Italians did start that mob shit, and that gangster shit...but your on a hip hop page dawg...Our people started hip-hop so your contradictions reflect cheese's. Your calling him out...saying he's some nigga copying your heritage...but your also copying just like him...your copying our hip hop too. So if you can be infatuated w/ our hip hop then he can wanna be a gangsta. Really your all one in the same.. And truth be told...It's not a high honor or something to be proud of becasue your heritgage brought that bullshit gangsta shit anyway. Real men comprimise and do the right thing...not trip over pride.cuz any nigga can fight and get killed...but a man can step away and do the right thing!!!

from the beginning to the end, hov has held it down. stop hatin' on this man. he is one of the greatest plain and simple (top 2 or 3) everyline is fluid every line is not rehearsed its natural, its instinct. from the versatility to the just plain flow (nothings written) he cant be knocked. now days people say 50's a better rapper. think about this.... if 50 rapped on jay's beats would he be successful? probably not. he's gangsta but the world listens to beats not words. 50 is no wear near close to jay lyrically. (he's not versatile) truthfully and fact llyod banks is a better rapper. wit is important in rap not sing-a-long songs. i listen to 50 but all i get is 9's and berretas. jay-z is h.o.va. plain and simple
"the lavender retrieva
i only bring my hommies back that purple refa..
i only smoke in Avisa,
somewhere far and foreign where u need a visa. yup! hov is home.
but its like i never let cuz i had the global phone.yup!
i stayed in touch but i had to leave a lil
cuz yall complain to much.
plus i bought the 4te autee matte crom
for all the chatte chatte yall been doin'
one

from the beginning to the end, hov has held it down. stop hatin' on this man. he is one of the greatest plain and simple (top 2 or 3) everyline is fluid every line is not rehearsed its natural, its instinct. from the versatility to the just plain flow (nothings written) he cant be knocked. now days people say 50's a better rapper. think about this.... if 50 rapped on jay's beats would he be successful? probably not. he's gangsta but the world listens to beats not words. 50 is no wear near close to jay lyrically. (he's not versatile) truthfully and fact llyod banks is a better rapper than 50. wit is important in rap not sing-a-long songs. i listen to 50 but all i get is 9's and berretas. jay-z is h.o.va. plain and simple
"the lavender retrieva
i only bring my hommies back that purple refa..
i only smoke in Avisa,
somewhere far and foreign where u need a visa. yup! hov is home.
but its like i never let cuz i had the global phone.yup!
i stayed in touch but i had to leave a lil
cuz yall complain to much.
plus i bought the 4te autee matte crom
for all the chatte chatte yall been doin'
one

Art money

I did acknowledge what your culture as brought. I respect your culture and everybody elses the same way I respect my own. We are all the same and I have said that time and time again on this site. I just don't like hearing some wannabe Al Sharpton put me down. Shit I'm only half italian any how. I tried to reason with the dude but he kept taking shots. Talking about shooting and shit. Like I said I do things on my own without the help of other people or guns. Me and everyone else on here as tryed to discuss subjects with this guy, but he takes shit to serious and wants to turn everything into an argument. This shits like politics, nobodies gonna win and its all opinion. So I'll turn the other cheek on this sight like the bigger man, but if you do make it out my way it will be the last time you say cheeze again (with teeth in your mouth).

Merry Christmas to everyone including cheeze

Trades

Yo fuck jay and nas & 50 and Ja. Cheeze and I should win battle of the year.

For the record you check 4:39 PM on December 4 and try and say I aint try to keep it peace. Mini-thin responded December 5th at 4:28. Dec. 6th at 5:28,7:56, and 8:45 you took shots...Dec 7, I explained you should cut the act, we all know this internet talk is bullshit, and on Dec 7th at 12:37 you made it clear you wanted to take it there

P.S. lolz, Battle of the year, I can 2nd that

On the 8:45 comment of Dec. 6th I talked about Fab, not once did I say anything deragatory about you. Me and minithin went on to discuss another subject then on your next post you came at me not an artist that I like, but at me. That's when I took it there. Look man ain none of his right or wrong infact we were, we would be wrong. I'm sorry for any comments that I made toward you and I hope that we can squash it and discuss another topic. I believe were both to intellectual for this bullshit. The only ones that have it right are Art money and Jinx. I actually like hearing your insight on some topics but I am quick to defend Jay because thats my boy. I put him at the top of my list in every categorie of music. Happy Holidays man.
By the way do you know when the new Beans or Cam is coming out. I don't put all my faith into the advertisements I see inside of other CD's, their never right.

Peace, love, and Hip Hop

Trade Man

I Guess "if I cant respect that my whole perspective is whack," so we'll squash it and just leave it at that.

As for Beans and Cam I dont know when they droppin'...I know yall are die hard Jigga fans but what about the roc in general...can they survive even 2 years wit out Jay? They have a lot of artists, but a lot of mediocre artists. Beans from what I hear really not beat this case. And what happened to Bleek? Listen back to his lyrics at the age of 16 the boy had potential whered he go wrong...I think he's a lil to soft, he let Beans come in and push him to the side like it was nothin'. Kanye West cant rap but damn he can really lay a beat down, you cant front if he woulda did the whole black album it woulda been much better. As for Cam and Dipset its sad they dont even sit with the Roc ataward shows, but now that Jay left maybe it'll help the unity. And a question for whoever knows the answer, who won that hip hop battle that gave a contract to rocafella records, and how is he/she.

*Beans from what I hear really might not beat this case (attempted murder charge)

some kid named recognize, he was alright. Yeah the ROC does have alot of mediocre talent. I'd have to say that the diplomats are the best the lable have to offer right now. Santana's album is more then straight I can almost listen to every track. The immunity album is what really let me know they were for real. After I bought that I wanted to hear more. I can't wait for Purpl Haze. State props alright but I wasn't that impressed with their new album, some shit was genius, but most of it was bull.

By the way I previewed the new bleek (which I've been waiting for, for along time) album on Sam Goody's web site and I wasn't impressed. I probbably won't even buy it now. Some shit is good, but most of it is very bland. If your waiting for it, don't be. Just download the good songs, which aren't many. The ROC files is tight though. It contains some phat shit off the Streets is Watching soundtrack.

Trades

haha Al Sharpton was his votes from the hip-hop generation. he aint going no where.

haha Al Sharpton wants his votes from the hip-hop generation. he aint going no where.

wow, i was gone for a while, and now i return to see what has happened. Both of u crazy, man but this is what is wrong with hip hop, why every time we talk about hip hop battles someone gonna bring up gats and stuff. Man, that nigga cheeze, whats wrong with him, talking about he black and he runnin with gats, please if that is true then he some stupid ass nigga who obviously just fallen in the system, all these mans talkin about gats and stuff, pleas u all slave nigga's, so go on play ur part in the system. My man talib kweli told me that. Trade Man i respect ur views and as any man u should have retailiated but come on man, this is whole talking about kicking each others asses over the internet, thats pretty childish.

Its cool u all came to a truce cuz seriously thats was pretty stupid. Its unfortunate it had to come to that cuz i have seen all before, and it aint never worth it man, thats why i traded the crack and the gat for the my computer and some books. Hip Hop should be about unity, it should be a celebration, not a war, but unfortunately every time i flip on bet there is some fake us gangsta talkin about how he got rich of drugs and gats, fuck its to bad thats what society makes us watch, hopefully one day there will be a time where Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Black Thought will rule the air waves but until then i guess true hip hop will suffer.

My name

u couldn't have said it any better "childish" is just what it was.

I can't wait for a time when a talib and a Mos reign supreme. I don't think its that far off either.

The Trade Man

I hope u right, for the sake of hip hop.

"Unless you was me, how could you judge me?"

Thats my Question for "my name is..."

I can only let my tongue rest but so long, "My name is..." do some research before you speak. I dont give a fuck what Talib Kweli told your stupid ass slavery is no black mans part of this system...period! I dont know if you are black or if had ancestors in slavery, but you need to fall back.

P.S. Ima stupid nigga?!? Aint nobody runnin' around with gats, but when its time to protect mine I do so. Plus I explained my people's pack, not me (i'm too valuable.) So I dont know what "stupid nigga" you talking about but like I said you need to fall back, cause your grammer aint straight and neither are your facts for that matter.

My name is Whiteboy, is a fag.

Not a lot of Rap talk about Guns and Magnums, maybe 6/10 of the videos on RapCity;s the BassMent do.

Stop reading the Source.
Your blaming it on society when u really should adapt. Your true hiphop favorites, are smarter than you. You'll still be a fan even after you try. Take a closer look at society Peter Pan, no deep shit in any music is on the radio.

who knows maybe Hendrix died and became Mos Def, and soon will get people to dig, U dig?

I'm done with this rap shit, starting to sound like some PAP pap shit.

I cant front that nigga Jigga did it again, he set another trend. He said "lyrically i'd be Talib Kweli," and now its cool to say Talib and rappers like him are the best, and I bet he blows up big time on the strength of Jay's comment.

P.S. kinda scary, cause at one point I heard the only feature Jay would have on the Black Album was 50, imagine the impact that would've had

I'm glad 50 wasn't on the album.

Hova Hova Hova Hova Hova Hova!

It's time to give it up to hova. He's unquestionably the greatest livin MC. He's second to only the late great notorious BIG who i think inspired Jay to elevate his game. And while you Pac fans out there will scream bloody murder you all need to realize while Pac was probably the most inspirational and important rapper of all time, he was not the best lyricist. In terms of lyricists J and Big exist without peers. All due respect to other great lyricists like Nas, Eminem, old schooler lyricists like the R and Coo G Rap.

Big and J elevated the rap game.

Hova Hova Hova Hova Hova Hova!

It's time to give it up to hova. He's unquestionably the greatest livin MC. He's second to only the late great notorious BIG who i think inspired Jay to elevate his game. And while you Pac fans out there will scream bloody murder you all need to realize while Pac was probably the most inspirational and important rapper of all time, he was not the best lyricist. In terms of lyricists J and Big exist without peers. All due respect to other great lyricists like Nas, Eminem, old schooler lyricists like the R and Coo G Rap.

Big and J elevated the rap game.

Insanity is forgetting to believe a few lies.

What do yall think about this OutKast thing? If ya don't know what im talking about...Im talking about them getting sued by the real Rosa Parks. Also when we get into our hip hop discussions Outkast is never brought up? They have been just as consistant as JZ...also they sell as much, I know their a group so its a bit different but outkast is a bright spot w/in hip hop

No matter what anyone says, I will never be able to believe that Jay is as good as BIG. If anything, Jay just knows how to market himself better...thats it. Lyrically, Biggie kept it real, he was the sickest wit it, and he he dumbed-down for no one. With all that he is still the only rapper to go diamond! But Jay is a lil more articulate than big (basically he boast about himself more.) A great example is, BIG was the original one who rapped without writing his lyrics down, yet Jay brags about it more, and thus gets credited as if he was the first when really it was BIG!

Damn listen to ya'll (Trade Man n Cheeze).. I mean I understand ya'll disagree bout some Jay-Z shit but for real- shit aint even worth fightin or buckin over. Ima white dude- i mean- i dont back down from any man but fightin should be ya last option. Feel me? How yall gonna feel sittin in the box for 4 or 8 years for attempted murder or 25 to life over murder? Over some fuckin Jay-Z bullshit?!?! I'm sayin when it comes to race- personally fuck race.. We all human beings. You cut any race's skin they bleed the same color ya feel me? But for real- both of yall jus fall back n agree to disagree... i mean i cant change nobody n i dont know either of yall but if you do decide to brawl... call ppv so i can watch that shit! haha jus playin
for real tho cool out
1

the game hasn't been elevated yet.

DAMN

cheeze makes a good point B.I.G. is Brooklyn's best forever. Jay is envious but who cares we will always love Big Poppa

B.K. sheet rock

Shit I bet if BIG was alive you'd hate on him the same way you hate on Jay. I guess it's impossible to be on top and not have critisism.

Chill, BIG was critically acclaimed, how could one hate? He had hard lyrics, deep lyrics, smooth lyrics, and he had real hits, and he always kept it real...there's nothing to hate on...can you think of a critisism? I'd be excited to hear it, i dont think there is one thing BIG hasnt proved he can do. BIG is flawless in terms of rap, and when one compares themself to BIG, they are pretty much asking for it.

I'm just saying the man only had two albums and not many people were on his jock until life after death, after he died. People were still caught up in the west coast back then. He wasn't considered one of the greats until after he passed. Shit nirvana sold more albums then him and rap wasn't as popular back then. Then when he died suddenly everybody was like "damn I'm the biggest BIG fan in the world. The early to mid 90's was a very stagnant period in terms of hip hop. Then BIG died and everybody went rap crazy. So I guess we can thank his death for bringing hip hop back to the fore front. What would have happened if we're to make more? Would people still

Personally I love the fact that Jay uses BIG rhymes in his shit. It stands as a memorial and anybody who's lost someone can feel that.

I could name a million artist that were critically acclaimed and people hate on (look what your doing to Jay).

That's exactly the point, BIG only put out 2 albums. He has not one track that isnt hot (not one!!!) Life After Death was a double CD with 24 of the best songs ever made. In his collaborations including the LOX, Jay, Mase, R.Kelly Too Short he took on the style of the person he collaborated with. Jay-Z attempted a double album and pretty much proved to us that he can never do what BIG did. "BIG brought the East back" so you can't say he just caught respect when he died. And I do not hate on Jay, I keep it real, Jay uses quotes that people at times can confuses with his work, I simply stated that he should make it clearer, and Jay takes credit for rappin of the dome, when he should also note that BIG did it first. Its like you saying that im hating on Columbus because i state the fact that the Indians were here first

That's exactly the point, BIG only put out 2 albums. He has not one track that isnt hot (not one!!!) Life After Death was a double CD with 24 of the best songs ever made. In his collaborations including the LOX, Jay, Mase, R.Kelly Too Short he took on the style of the person he collaborated with. Jay-Z attempted a double album and pretty much proved to us that he can never do what BIG did. "BIG brought the East back" so you can't say he just caught respect when he died. And I do not hate on Jay, I keep it real, Jay uses quotes that people at times can confuses with his work, I simply stated that he should make it clearer, and Jay takes credit for rappin of the dome, when he should also note that BIG did it first. Its like you saying that im hating on Columbus because i state the fact that the Indians were here first

That's exactly the point, BIG only put out 2 albums. He has not one track that isnt hot (not one!!!) Life After Death was a double CD with 24 of the best songs ever made. In his collaborations including the LOX, Jay, Mase, R.Kelly Too Short he took on the style of the person he collaborated with. Jay-Z attempted a double album and pretty much proved to us that he can never do what BIG did. "BIG brought the East back" so you can't say he just caught respect when he died. And I do not hate on Jay, I keep it real, Jay uses quotes that people at times can confuses with his work, I simply stated that he should make it clearer, and Jay takes credit for rappin of the dome, when he should also note that BIG did it first. Its like you saying that im hating on Columbus because i state the fact that the Indians were here first

On Vh1's driven he ackowledges that BIG came off the top with no pen and says that BIG was amazed by the fact that he did it as well. I don't think that he has ever taken credit for starting that. He just says that no one left does it, they might, but not like him.

Personally I havn't ever heard a bad Jay song.

I'm out going home for the holidays, so I won't be by the computer that much.

Merry Christmas to all

Trades

Never??? thats a stretch

Jay-Z the Best to ever grace a mic.
Never made a bad song never the less a bad album.
Listen and be saved!

hahaha..."you just told three jokes"

Damn...i haven't been on here for a while...i see there is still a lot of hate, but there is some love now...the black album is dope, period...i mean some shit sounds corny(beat wise), but jay-z's flows are off the chain...Public Service Announcement is probably one of the best songs i've heard in a long time...i personally feel jay straight tells the public this is me an this is what i'm about and this is what i did to get here...(used to move snowflakes by the o.z..about his hustlin days), (got the hottest chick in the game wearin my chain...his relationship with beyonce), (theres no sense in me lyin as if i am a different man...him talkin bout he never changed)..and so on...it took a few listens but the black album definitley will become a classic like reasonable doubt did..remember no one labeled reasonable doubt a classic till like 2001...slept on like the black album is for the most part...mini its good to see your opinions have grown up a little bit...

ahhhhhhhh....

gone for a while, only to come back and see minthin and cheeze still talking their stupid shit. Its obvious cheeze some stupid white boy who claiming he from nyc, but fuck man shut up. Trying to act like u fucking a gangsta, fuck man the true gangstas aren't on some internet showing love to rappers like FABOLOUS? u some sort of fag man, u come on here talking like u some sort of hip hop head, and then u start talking how Fabolous is the next in line? please stupid go post on the mtv page man, this place for serious hip hop, and take that rhymin fag Minthin with u man.

For cheeze,

Your comments only prove u obviously aint from new york, and if u are u stuck in some upper part manhattan. You obviously dont know ur shit man, First u say jay needs to be more clearer with his lines, if u to stupid to understand then that aint no reason to hate, and then u said BIG kept the east alive, man how u gonna be from new york and say that biggie kept the east alive. i aint commin at biggie cuz he one of the greats, but fuck KRS-ONE, RAKIM them guys were keeping the shit real man, they had the east moving all along, how the east ever was dead is a mystery since we invented hip hop, and brodcasted it to the world, everyone knows that, Biggie just kept the shit movin, just like Jay did when biggie moved on, so cheeze before u start questioning my facts, check ur own man cuz u obviously dont know ur hip hop, but i wouldn't expect no Fabolous fan to really know hip hop.

You dumb f*ck BIG brought the East back when there was a drought. The West was takin over and BIG saved the ship. BIG gave birth to Jay and all the other East Coast rappers outnow (except Nas) And would u people please stop lettin your emotions get the best of you. You come on here and your typing so fast your not making sense. Fabolous got talent, go copp a mix tape and you'll see that. And I said Jay needs to be clearer who he taking his sh*t from...I dont know exactly what your point was with that, all I know is you misquoted me.

P.S. Dont even do it to yourself

Why you so emotional? "You remind me of my BITCH"

VIBE's latest magazine features Jay-Z on the cover. One quote of the "In His Lifetime" article stuck out to me.

"For the 'Sunshine' video, Jay-Z attempts a Puffy-esque performance by dancing in a colorful suit...To promote his album, Jay-Z opens for Puff Daddy..." (Vibe Jan 2004 pg.77)

P.S. I hate to say it(actually I love saying it), but... I TOLD YOU SO.

Cheeze...

and exactly where are you going with the line from the vibe article? cause in the same article you got that line from, it also mentioned how jay jumped off the tour when it got to new york cause the shit wasn't what he expected...and later on in the article it talks about how he released streets is watching and his street cred was re-established after that...so exactly what are you telling us?

Romark, dont you worry where i'm going with it. This is in regards to an earlier debate when we were discussing Jay wanting to be a BadBoy at a point in his career. The article shows that its not just me, but also a very credible magazine (which most likely got some of its information from Jay himself) also shares my perspective. Obviously Jay's ego was being hurt on the tour(he has said this himself) and he decided to do other things. He has obviously grown from this wannabe Bad Boy stage, my point was just that the time existed.

Cheeze...

I don't think that Jay wanted to be on Bad Boy, but more or else he wanted to be in the same class of success as Bad Boy had...think about it, at that time Bad Boy was leading the hip hop industry, so when u are on an independant label still trying to come up, i think u kind of want to be in association with who ever is on top at the current time...plus he had his connections to B.I.G, so it probably looked like he wanted in, but i think that he had and still has complete loyalty to Rocafella that him on Bad Boy wouldn't had happened...but i respect and see where you are coming from...

Romark, you have definitley nailed it. I don't think he ever has even thought of leaving Roc-a-fella, but at that time period it looked like he wanted to follow that Bad Boy path step by step in order to achive success. BIG Puff and MASE started the "ice age," and Jay ran with it as best he could. And as far as BIG, BIG had just died, so maybe he felt if he wanted heirs to the thrown, he would have to take up that Bad Boy way of life.

fuck off romark, i knew i shoulda killed you last month.
Yeah back in '97 Bad Boy was at the top, and fags like Romark made them rich.

I wished those bullets hit Puffy instead of Biggie.

please,

the east never had a drought stupid, just cuz mtv started playing videos from the west, dont be stupid man u obviously aint from around here, u need to stop listening to ur mtv rap man, talkin about fabolous, yeah i heard him go on a couple mixtapes, fab was only good when jay z first brought him out on the hard knock life tour, ever since he been real crap. Yeah biggie brought out jay so what, biggie was the man, but when biggie was brought out by Big Daddy Kane and Slick Rick, Krs-one these dudes been carrying hip hop, how u gonna be from new york and not no that, that shit the realest.

P.S.
please dont get started with that emotional comments man, review ur posts, we all know who the bitch on this page is

please,

the east never had a drought stupid, just cuz mtv started playing videos from the west, dont be stupid man u obviously aint from around here, u need to stop listening to ur mtv rap man, talkin about fabolous, yeah i heard him go on a couple mixtapes, fab was only good when jay z first brought him out on the hard knock life tour, ever since he been real crap. Yeah biggie brought out jay so what, biggie was the man, but when biggie was brought out by Big Daddy Kane and Slick Rick, Krs-one these dudes been carrying hip hop, how u gonna be from new york and not no that, that shit the realest.

P.S.
please dont get started with that emotional comments man, review ur posts, we all know who the bitch on this page is

Why you so emotional? "You remind me of my BITCH"

P.S. "Even though you feelin' f*ck me, i'm feelin' mutual"

Anyway enough of that lame. Finals is over so i'm headed to NY, but i'll holla...1

P.S. For all you Jigga fans, I listened to The Black Album last night and its growin' on me (a lil bit)

Anyway enough of that lame. Finals is over so i'm headed to NY, but i'll holla...1

P.S. For all you Jigga fans, I listened to The Black Album last night and its growin' on me (a lil bit)

bitch shut up man u aint got nothin to say, i think u should come back to the nyc, cuz its obvious u been away to long, but im done with u, and this page, just waiting for the next topic.

bitch shut up man u aint got nothin to say, i think u should come back to the nyc, cuz its obvious u been away to long, but im done with u, and this page, just waiting for the next topic.

Why you so emotional? "You remind me of my BITCH"

this shit comin from the fag who almost tried acting all thugish with his childish beef, man shut up, u a bitch, stop posting ur dumb shit man, anyway this page is dead, its been dead for a while, so im done with it, ill be back when there is a new jigga topic.

Why you so emotional? "You remind me of my BITCH"

haha cheeze is too much

Here's how I see it:

-The Black Album was a quality joint, but could have been a lot better. I still keep it in rotaion though, and probably will 4 a long time.

-Nas pretty much has the throne in NY by default. (50 is hot now, but probably won't be able to sustain the popularity, as evidenced by the G-unit LP, for much longer)

-The east DID have a small drought around '91. Apart from classics by, De La, Tribe, Black Sheep, and Naughty, nothing was touching what the west was doing in terms of sales and popularity (ie NWA, Ice Cube, DJ Quik, Ice T)

-Groups like Blackmoon and Wu-Tang started bringing the respect back in '92, but not quite the sales.

-'94, Snoop still outsold Biggie and Nas combined, but each garnered equal respect.

-Jay came into the game in 88 but didn't make any real noise til RD. (Kane helped bring Jay in, but Slick Rick didn't)

-Fabolous is a talented rapper, who chooses to rhyme about bullshit things in order to gain popularity with females and get more $,something MA$E was guilty of too. (Anyone who thinks MA$E wasn't capable of spittin hard, don't know shit about rap- check his verse on DMX's first LP)

-Jay never copied Big's "no pen" style, both did it, nobody knows who did it first. Both wrote for their first albums, though.
Plenty of rappers started doin it since, including Ja Rule (ha ha) and Beanie (who was a lot better when he did write- ie his verses on Crew Love

-Last, Pac was one of the best rappers ever, not necesarily always from a lyrical standpoint, but he had a lot of charisma, heart, a good voice and probably one of the most influential flows ever.....and what has Jay been emphasising more of since Blueprint? Charisma, heart, a better voice, and more influential flow.

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JAY Z SAYS HE'S "FAR FROM BEING JEWISH"

Jay Z is the most popular rapper in the world right now. His lyrics reach the ears of millions. His albums are all platinum or double platinum sellers.
His current album is called The Black Album. The album features a song called "What More Can I Say?". The song contains the following lyrics:

I don't mean to boast
But damn if I don't brag
Them crackers gonna act like I ain't on they ads
The Martha Stewart
That's far from Jewish
Far from a Harvard student
Just had the balls to do it

The song is not about anything too serious or particular except to describe what a cool guy he (Jay Z) is. The song is not specifically about Jews.
But there is that one line "That's far from being Jewish". That bugged me when I first heard it (excuse me for being Jewish). Why does Jay Z to point out to the millions of his young listeners that he, the great one, is "far from being Jewish"? Does he know anything about what being a Jew means to know if that he's far from being Jewish? Is he far from being a Christian?
He also mentions that he's far from being a Harvard student. He suggests that perhaps a Harvard student who becomes successful through a conventional education is square because they don't have the street smart savy to hustle the unfair "system" as he likes to believe that he has done and that big bucks Martha Stewart has done. This no serious denigration to Harvard students but why must he go out of his way to mention Jews? What relevance do Jews have to these points?
It's another typical example of nonchalantly throwing the word Jewish around in some vaguely negative context. That type of nonchalance and cavelier indifference makes me angry. The use of the word "crackers" is offensive also but white people in general are not a minority group with as much vulnerability as Blacks or Jews.
Imagine if you will, Brittany Spears having a lyric "I'm far from being Black". Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be out having a field day boycotting her music.
I don't think Jay Z should be banned or that we should waste time boycotting his mildly anti-semitic implications but I do think people in the media should mention it in their reviews and call such a remark into question. We should not let these slights against Jews or other groups slide by without comment or notice especially when it comes from such a popular performer.

JDlederman

minithin...

there u go poppin off the mouth again...your beef with me holds no weight...callin my name out like you know me..hidin behind your computer screen gettin all gangsta. just to clear things up, i really didn't listen to anything badboy dropped in 97 except for b.i.g, cause unlike u, i recognize skill...i wasn't busy just allowing radio to tell me what to listen to, cause i'm out here in cali, and the only cali rappers i listen to are heiro and planet asia, and rosco ( not kurupts little brother)...and yes i do like jay-z but he's not the only artist i do like...my cd catalog contains jay-z, the roots, jedi mind trix, cali agents, heiro, B.I.G, nas, common, blackstar, murs and so on...don't act like you know me cause u don't...i live in the bay area, california...look me up and see what will happen if u stepped to me and call me a fag...don't get all wild cause u got this damn computer in front of you...i'm not a lil punk kid, so if u really got beef with me come see about me...u just a bonafide hater, and u got ur comments on here to rile people up, cause there are people on here that have respect for jay-z...so u just wastin your time and breath tryin to hate...

JDlederman

Jay-Z's line was "The Martha Stewart that's far from Jewish" meaning he;s like Martha Stewart however he's not Jewish. So I took it that Ms. Stewart is Jewish. I think you misunderstood what he said.

Romark...I think you meant RASCO, maybe. 1

Oh and Romark, Martha Stewart is Jewish isn't she?
Jay was more or less saying that he's like the male version of her (a very successful entrepreneur), but not Jewish, and that he didn't have to graduate from some ivy league school to become wealthy. Don't take things outta context, coz this was not meant to be a derogatory comment.

My man has a great point, Jay-Z has done such things before. "I flow tight like I was born Jewish." "And no I'm not a Christian but I believe in GOD." THat right there is irresponsibility. For a rapper whose words have been the most powerful (in terms of trend setting) ever he should realize the effect his words has. BUt what do you really expect from him? YOu all fell in love with JAy-Z because of how arrogant he was. He'll take shots at anything or anyone, but its cool until its you or your group. I mean he shot at Stephon MArbury, Busta Rhymes and even Michael Jordan out of pure arrogance. But once again, what do you expect?? This is the same man who calls himself J-hova meaning Jesus, which is all good, but he puts it in his raps knopwing that his fans arent thinking about what he's saying but there gonna recite his lyrics anyway. For crying out loud 'Encore'has a great beat and he lures his listeners into chanting "hova hova hova hova." He even does this at concerts, if the fans don't chant "hova" he doesn't return to the stage!

P.S. This post isnt takin shots at anyone (or hating), its stating fact. You can't love Jay for being arrogant, and then hate the fact that he's arrogant. It's hypocritical.

In all said and done its undoubtly that Jay is and always will be one of the illest MC of all time. The fact that he chooses to sell to the masses (cuz they pay)when its obvious that he has the potential to rhyme to his full cailber i.e Reasonable Doubt, even the Blueprint. Shows that Jay isn't really doing it for the love lately (obviously he's tired of Hip Hop right now)but for the # and $. Even still hes proven hisself to be one of the most marketable artist in Hip Hop and you really cant knock him. I love him, he's a legend (Im not a dicj rider) but I dont break my neck to go buy his albums. Damn do I even own a Jay Z album.

In all said and done its undoubtly that Jay is and always will be one of the illest MC of all time. The fact that he chooses to sell to the masses (cuz they pay)when its obvious that he has the potential to rhyme to his full cailber i.e Reasonable Doubt, even the Blueprint. Shows that Jay isn't really doing it for the love lately (obviously he's tired of Hip Hop right now)but for the # and $. Even still hes proven hisself to be one of the most marketable artist in Hip Hop and you really cant knock him. I love him, he's a legend (Im not a dicj rider) but I dont break my neck to go buy his albums. Damn do I even own a Jay Z album.

In all said and done its undoubtly that Jay is and always will be one of the illest MC of all time. The fact that he chooses to sell to the masses (cuz they pay)when its obvious that he has the potential to rhyme to his full cailber i.e Reasonable Doubt, even the Blueprint. Shows that Jay isn't really doing it for the love lately (obviously he's tired of Hip Hop right now)but for the # and $. Even still hes proven hisself to be one of the most marketable artist in Hip Hop and you really cant knock him. I love him, he's a legend (Im not a dicj rider) but I dont break my neck to go buy his albums. Damn do I even own a Jay Z album.

Why would i have beef over posted messages. I'm the kid who'd flip through your Cd Collections and say, "lemme borrow this?"

yea who listens to the radio when it comes to rap? I live in a town in midwest, (not born and raised, thank god), and its driven by Radio/MTv pop shit. I figure i'd label Romark as one of them since he said...it doesnt matter now.
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I'm sure there's people here i' rather hang out with than the people on the Eminem posts. I went on there and bunch of amatuers' were talking about Hallie's Song being tight. I'm 20 and i understand there's a new era of wangsta's but my generation never sank that low.
Lyrics are just one element.
Shit, I've changed now, I rather listen than write. And listen while I spray paint in hype.

Jus picK up a can N SprAY on the wall! Grafitti is coming back in 2004.

Brittney Juel is a dick rider. No girl could understand shit, stick to green cloths and dirty dishes. Worthless bitches.

Minithin...

so why did u label me again? exactly what was said to make u label me?...besides the fact that everything that you have thrown at me i've thrown back three fold...so wat ever u got against me, i'm over it, its obvious that you still growin and can't begin to understand anything relative thats being said here...

Mic...

thanks about the rasco clear up...i spelled his name wrong accidently cause lil minimiss on here got me pissed off so when i was typin i was thinkin to damn fast...and i'm not sure if martha stewart is jewish, cause i wasn't the one talkin about that issue...but to me i think jay means he has the business mind of martha stewart i.e her success with what she has going for her and the entreprenuership(i know i spelled that wrong) mind she has as well...

Often the test of courage is not to die, but to live.

Yo to all yall REAL Hip Hop fans. Jay said in the last Vibe article that in order for him to comeback something crazy has to happen. He said something along the lines of a petition with 3 million names on it. I aint even a Jigga fan, I Just like rap and the situation is bleek without him so what I propose is this. The internet is the easiest way possible to get 3 million names, we could get it started right here, feel me?

We dont want him back that bad! J/k....sounds like a good idea

Cheeze

I feel you on your beef with Jay for his sacrilegious comments in a lot of his lyrics. I personally can't listen to songs where he makes too many references to his "hova" moniker. I think he's the best rapper alive, and I know that u don't agree, but I do commend u for your ability to not turn a blind eye to the seriousness of such statements. It's only rap. There are no gods in music (Rakim included). By the way Jehovah isn't the same being as Jesus. I don't want to get into a religious debate with anyone over this though.

it's simple: jehovah = yahweh = yahweed = the most high

Yeah i'm glad to see that somebody agrees with me about this, cause i knew I wasn't buggin'. While i'm sure Jay has a great way of justifying his actions to himself, the explanations he leaves in his songs are blunt, contradictory and offensive. For the record I think Jay is the best rapper still rapping. It may seem like I critique him with a double standard, but his cockyness commands that.

P.S. Off to Jamaica, then Miami...Merry Christmas niggaz!

ITs startin to sound like the ending to the shawshank' Redemption in here. You fucks are no different than articles in the Vibe. Quit listenin and think, Jamaica aint shit, San Juan is.

Fuck his birthday, he never came to my shit.
So i say tradition is balls, Jingle those balls.
We stomped the bitch and then stomped the bitch again
(Compton!) Detroit bitch! Talk some shit again!
Stomp him! (switch feet) Stomp him! (switch again!)
Yo alright he's dead dog, quit kickin him!
hahah..ROmark.

You wouldnt know bout that shit

BBBORNiG pizza resuartants Vs. Chuck cheese

Marshall took a bullet in the head at the shooting range instead. I'm haveta dig up hiz body just to remind me, the rotted laundry that probably rotted both boundaries , shit i gave you that shirt, Pound them philles, but i dont ball with dirt. romark pull up your skirt, the Bay aint got shit on this..

ITs too cold to fight, i dont wanna hafta freeze your emotions kid.

I'm comin out wit Acid Rap, to fuck your ears up.

Mini...

shut the fuck up...talk is cheap muthafucka. with that wack as "romark pull your skirt up, the bay ain't got shit on this...", comin out here and see if we ain't got shit on it homie.

now since eminem blew up every cracker(minithin) thinks he's a rapper, got minimisses thinkin that he a gun clapper, puttin my name in his mouth like a bitch that i'm fuckin, but the only skirts being lifted is ur moms and all ur female cousins, its to cold to fight, huh? thats when it gets harder, speak to me respectfully, don't u know i was almost ur father?

Romark thinks Thins White. I can see already see what u look like from what you type. But i'm sure the real world told u that. I dont have to send u back to your dead-end job. I'm pretty sure your scheduled for next week too, huh?

Pussy ass representing the Bay, you shouldnt. You couldnt.

wack ass, what are u half mexican? and half white too? Prolly another Johnny Scott walking around. Stomp Him, Switch again.

You are a bitch
5414 Kilbrittain Ln 43015

gettin a little testy now aren't we mini...whats wrong your emotions gettin the best of u kid? haha can't handle the heat...what? everytime i dig into u, all u start doin is callin me names and shit...lame ass...by the way i called u a cracker cause u go by minithin, and i'm full filipino, not half white and mexican...and unlike you i can keep bringin heat...u shouldn't have started fukkin with me man...now u just look like u cryin with ur responses...haha...kids shouldn't bother in grown folks business

to everyone else...

i first got on here to express my opinions and thoughts of the black album, so i apologize to anyone who thinks that i've gotten way off track...so, basically i have listened to the black album a few more times and i can honestly say that eventually it will become a classic...i think we all had such great expectations for this album, that when it dropped it really didn't reach those expectations. i kind of got the same feeling when kweli dropped "quality". kweli is actually one of my favorite mc's and the reflection eternal album was just masterfully done...so when "quality" was about to hit the stores i expected product in the same realm of reflection eternal. but it wasn't. sort of disappointed, but after a few listens, "quality" is still on high rotation in my collection...i think the black album falls in that same category...its cool to have ur opinion, and with jay-z u either love him or hate him, he's the type of artist that can't get mutual love from the general public...so the people who came on here just to hate, with no real refrence to what jay-z has done or has rapped about, just look more ignorant and immature than any of his true fans here...

ehfuck u , i never said i was half white and half mexican. i thought you were either a whiteboy or a dirty mexican, but your someone who's in between.

romark how old are you? fuckin grandpa of the message boards if u cant stand a badass's comments. Fuck em'

look mini...i was going to leave this alone, but basically in the earlier post i saw that u had a lot of hate and u made some stupid remark about bow wow havin doper shit that jay-z...but after that u started callin me out and callin me names and shit...now thats when i got offended...so basically i'm gonna be on ur ass till u apologize...by the way i'm only 25 and if i ain't no in between mexican or white..i'm filipino muthafucka, don't disrespect me like that...

I'm close to the Phillipiness too. Indian. Apology accepted.
I can see myself 5 years from now, like you. Mature, and not drugged up. Or i'll prolly be in the obituaries before then.

I rather duke it out with someone who has completely different interests, like a religious fuck. Or someone who is against them drugs. We're too much of the same kind. I wish death on nobody, aint no comin back from it. actually there's a few fucks i'd like to see die, Cops, and White folks who stare.

Fuck Jigga... I like Will Smith

Whats up ya'll. First, i thought jay-z was nice until he started going mtv. But to me it seems that him being an artist & executive is a conflict of interest and thats the problem. Most execs don't care about quality and the bottom line is how many units moved whereas artists care about quality product. Nowadays for whatever reason rappers seem to think that just because you sell 2 million that you're nice! Bring back the late 80's thru early 90's hiphop!!!! Peace

jays dont not go you so cool when you rap and i'm listening to your new cd it is great and please dont go.

"Roc we runnin this rap shit" Jay-z[blueprint]
First of the Black Album is the best album of the year. Jay-z is the greatest rapper of all time. Cant nobody dead or alive see him on the rap tip.
every album he got is classic. He has the rap game in the palm of his hands.People forget he changed the game with the song imaginary player on vol.1. He has carried rap on his back ever since. Give it to him he's the best. Just look what he did to Nas wack ass. He destroyed him just like he did anyone else who came at him. ITS THE ROC!!!

jay z is the greatest ever, and if you do not feel the same way, listen to a song called Friend or For '98, one of the hottest songs ever made, and your opinion on jay is guaranteed to change

When I listened to this album I was shocked at how commercial the beats sounded. Reasonable Doubt had that 'underground' feel to it and you could tell that Jay spent a lot of time perfecting that album. In my opinion I think that the Black Album is Jay's most commercial sounding album. Jay cannot go back to his roots as he is simply commercial. I ain't doubting his lyrical ability coz he's tight as hell, but it's like Ja-Rule or Snoop bringing out a hardcore album - it's somthing that just won't happen! I have a problem with Jay saying on the track "Dirt off your shoulder" that he is a hustler and the best rapper alive. That's bullshit and y'all know that. A commercial artist cannot claim to be the best rapper alive. Where does that leave Chino XL, KRS-One, Rakim or Scarface? These are all rappers that earned their respect the hard way, the underground way. Tracks from the album that I enjoyed were: "Lucifer" and "Threat."

the black album is good album, might not be his best, as for people who say jay went mtv, fuck that mtv went jay z, the black album aint the most commercial album he made, so it aint fair to critcize a person, cuz he was a hustler and now turned himself into a CEO, dont hate on jay for selling alot of albums, understand he gives hope to those coming from the gutter looking to for great things in the future.

Peace

mtv went jay-z, because jay went commercial, even jay says it, on Blueprint 2 he says he does it to "keep the register jingling". Even on this album he says he dumbed down in order to double his dollars. Sorry but Jay has been watered down for a long time now. And a watered down mc could never be considered the greatest.

If you don't like jay-z as a rapper, you have to respect him as a business man. He's gone from rags to riches making millions off of album sales and 300 mill with his clothing line in 2002 alone. If he went "commercial" as some of you say he did, good for him. I doubt he got into the game to stay poor his entire life. Look where he is after being in the game for this long. He has succeeded where countless others have failed and will continue to fail.

I respect J as a business man and i used to like/respect him as a rapper. I think he needs to make up his mind...he wants to maintain that street cred but still panders to mtv. You really can't have it both ways. The question I have is why rappers get so greedy when most come from poverty? I know cats want to sell units and make lots of dough, but really. If you coming from the ghetto, do you really know the difference between $1 million and $50 million?? Shit, i wouldn't mind making a six figure salary yearly from rapping, i think you can live pretty comfortably off that. Too many rappers sacrifice quality to make $$ and the overall music is suffering from it. PEACE!

Aint no best.

this aint a fucking game. Not how many records sold or rhymes spit. Rap isnt a battle anymore.

i'm feelin people on how they feel that u can't have the best of both worlds being "street" or "commercial"...but jay is one of a handful of rappers that can pull it off. to some people being on mtv makes a rapper "commercial", but nobody was callin kweli "commercial" when get by was on rotation at mtv. if u can't listen beyond the beats that the black album has than u r completely missing the point of the album. he's a lot more arrogant and more self proclaiming on the black album, but he got every right to be...its us, the listeners who categorize these rappers. but its like we forget that jay has crazy love for the underground cats, and the underground got love for jay...the difference between the two are sales numbers...check out jedi mind trix new record and compare it to what u may call a "commercial" record...ideas seem the same, just said differently...so if jay ain't considered great than niether can pac or big...because all these dudes talked about similiar shit...but i guess jay don't get a pass cause mtv fell in love with him huh?

What do yall think about the song "I did it my way," where Jay-Z volunteered Frank SInatra to be on the song??? My main beef with the track is that Jay ruined Frank Sinatra's voice, thats not how he sounds at all, and I think thats a lil disrespectful.

I believe that Jay used the Paul Anka version on My Way. It sounds like Wayne Newton tho. The Sinatra versions (live or studio) tend to have more instrumentation also. I don't personally dig the way they used the sample, but I like the way Jay spits on the track, especially the Un part. The rhyme scheme is kinda basic, but it's the way he finesses the shit that makes it potent. His stop n go, pregnant pauses, spep up slowed down delivery etc. As far as that lp goes, the beats are generally subpar, topics are descent, and his vocals were pretty much wasted. He spit twice as tight on BP2 as he did on the original BP tho.

RM,

Do you understand what you are listening to, I think not. Those lines were about how he got caught making roc-a-wear cheap. See Martha stewart got caught doing the same thing last year as well as puffy. They pay foriegn people very cheap to do work for them, it's not legal, but if you don't get caught oh well. He said he was far from jewish meaning he was far from being a tight wad. You know how jews get stereotryped about thier money. When he used harvard student he was actually boasting them not putting them down. He was saying that it takes a harvard student to do business like that.

You took his lines out of context. If you need any more lyrics cleared up just ask the Trade Man.

Hope all had a good holiday

I'm back

The Trade Man

By the way before I left I posted a comment about Memphis Bleeks new album. Well I'm here to tell you that I was false, I got it over christmas and that shit is fire, probbably his best work and Jay's spots are mint. Go get this album you won't regret it.

Ahhh ask Jacob the jewler who started what. Everytime I've heard him interviewed he says that Jay-Z and Rocafella put everyone in the game on to platinum. Actually if you guys read the article about bigs burke in the new source you'll find out that he pur Jay and Dame on to all that shit.

Thats a shame he put out an album and nobody knew or even cared for that matter. Seems like the Roc is gonna be a lot more divrse than in the past. Kanye seems to be the new leader of the Roc, its questionable if the young gunz will blow, Twista hasn't spit a hot verse since Puffy's No way out, and whp knows whats goin on wit Beans. Cam should have an album out by the end of the summer, but I still haven't given his last on a chance. However on the upside, this Jay-Z retirement thing doesn't seem to be that bad afterall. He now says he will still be making songs, just not albums. His albums were getting dry anyway, so i dont mind that.

P.S. I've noticed that Jay's voice changed a lil bit in the last couple songs (not including Black Album songs)that ive heard on the radio, anyone else notice that to?

"What we hear is platinum that, platinum this
Platinum whips, nobody got no platinum hits
Cats know with me platinum always wrap my wrist
I come to the awards, quadruple platinum chicks
Little ones like twenty five, what cats get smacked with
Big ones like fourty five, what cats get clap with
I react sick whenever my dough ain't accurate
Harlem World, Jr. Mafia, yeah and that's it, come on"
-My nigga MA$E

He does not seem to me to be a free man who does not sometimes do nothing.

Shit Memph's album sold out in 3 of the stores I went to. Seems like Nas will do anything to make a hit (teaming up with little Jon). Jay dry? Your funny dude.

In the article with Bigs Burke he also said that Biggie was so overwhelmed by Jay's verse on Brooklyn's finest that he had to go back home and think about it for a night.

Hey cheeze what song from Big L did Jay bite the hovi baby line from, it wasn't the 7 minute freestyle because his line on that was. "I'm so far ahaed of my time my mom isn't born yet."

Are you suggesting that Jay is better than BIG? Hope not, but anyway how much cred does Bigs have when making that statement. He can't read Biggie's mind. BIG could have expected the track to be different and have been surprised my the format and or plot of the song. Plus it was Reasonable Doubt, Jay's album, so of course BIG is going to complement Jay's style as best possible. I am sure that BIG did not come out his mouth and say "I am so overrwhelmed by Jay-Z's verse, let me go home and rethink mine." That's just an example of a small timer like Bigs Burke watching the big boys work together, and reading a whole lot into nothing (like dickryding tabloid tabloid journalists.)

As for the 7 minute freestyle reference, big L is the originator of that phrase "i'm so far ahead of my time..." He has used it in not only the 7 minute freestyle, but other ones as well.

P.S. And you misquoted the greatest freestylist of all time, the correct quote is "i'm so far ahead of my time my parents haven't me yet"

Are you suggesting that Jay is better than BIG? Hope not, but anyway how much cred does Bigs have when making that statement. He can't read Biggie's mind. BIG could have expected the track to be different and have been surprised my the format and or plot of the song. Plus it was Reasonable Doubt, Jay's album, so of course BIG is going to complement Jay's style as best possible. I am sure that BIG did not come out his mouth and say "I am so overrwhelmed by Jay-Z's verse, let me go home and rethink mine." That's just an example of a small timer like Bigs Burke watching the big boys work together, and reading a whole lot into nothing (like dickryding tabloid tabloid journalists.)

As for the 7 minute freestyle reference, big L is the originator of that phrase "i'm so far ahead of my time..." He has used it in not only the 7 minute freestyle, but other ones as well.

P.S. And you misquoted the greatest freestylist of all time, the correct quote is "i'm so far ahead of my time my parents haven't metyet"

Are you suggesting that Jay is better than BIG? Hope not, but anyway how much cred does Bigs have when making that statement. He can't read Biggie's mind. BIG could have expected the track to be different and have been surprised my the format and or plot of the song. Plus it was Reasonable Doubt, Jay's album, so of course BIG is going to complement Jay's style as best possible. I am sure that BIG did not come out his mouth and say "I am so overrwhelmed by Jay-Z's verse, let me go home and rethink mine." That's just an example of a small timer like Bigs Burke watching the big boys work together, and reading a whole lot into nothing (like dickryding tabloid tabloid journalists.)

As for the 7 minute freestyle reference, big L is the originator of that phrase "i'm so far ahead of my time..." He has used it in not only the 7 minute freestyle, but other ones as well.

P.S. And you misquoted the greatest freestylist of all time, the correct quote is "i'm so far ahead of my time my parents haven't metyet"

hova u design urself i agree i said?man uve came a long way & i respect ur fo dat?i might be a nas fanatic but u surely deserve ur nuff?uve written ur own piece of chapter in hip-hop after B.I.G & Pac in da Black Album?safe one peace

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ how many times does a line in hip hop get recycled? That's like asking how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop. Every artist you've ever heard, no matter what genre, has taken, borrowed, or been influenced by someone. Small timer like Bigs Burke?????????? You better start rethinking your statements. Oh yeah that's what he said, your right. My faught! Still say Jay had L on that one though.

Hey anybody got the new raekwon, that shit is for real.

You no what's funny that I just noticed. In Ether Nas says, "there is no best". Yet in his new song with lil jon he try's to make this bold statement "you already know who I'm better then". huuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??????????? It's like did you not hear what you said.

Tough statement. Jay did come hard on that verse but Big L rippped it. Not to mention Jay-Z messed up a couple of times.

Let me tell you something, Hova is the greatest, i personally am in to scandels and hidden things, because as i remember he worked with so many different producers, but he only put 14 on this album, i dunno if they were his best or if he was hiding something, hopefully he was. The Black album was hot. Not his best, but truth be told, Reasonable Doubt wasnt his best either, Blueprint was his best album, but listen albums alone, to say he is the greatest is because so many top rappers road on his celebrity to become what they are today, yup ask 50 whos the best out(even though he is conceeded now), ask ja rule, as the ruff ryders, or ne dirty south rapper, and thats because he makes everyone big, name a album he has been on that hasnt gone platinum, he is so ill on so many albums, that first ruff ryders album was a classic, never would've sold if not for jiggaman, murder inc can say the same shit, irv started jay up, but jay took him to the top, jay was kinda like scarface, which is so appropriate when on his first song ever on his own album first thing is that line from scarface, when scarface gets in the biz, who wouldve known? he has so much influence on popular cultre, and nas didnt win that battle, it was like this... nas through a bunch of punches that hit, but they were weak jabs, jiggas was throwing hooks that nas couldnt answer, but i guess if u wanna get techinical, jay lost because nas threw more weak blows, real or not, jigga is def. underrated to many people hate, it seems that the educated people who can disect music know the importance of his lyrics and his music

Morgan, that intro on Reasonable Doubt was mimicking Carlito's Way, not Scarface...

People tend to asociate sales with credibilty. Jay is one of the best ever, no doubt, but not cos of sales. If you wanna peep a bunch of morons arguing that sales are what make u great, check the Eminem threads. A lot of people tend to get blindsided with bullshit reasons for championing a certain rapper. Some fall for shock-value and clever punchlines, others for seemingly intelligent rhetoric and so-called knowledge bein dropped. To paraphrase Jigga: "cause you don't understand him it don't mean that he nice/ It just mean you don't understand all the bullshit that he write"

I can't tell you what makes somebody the best. All I know is that if your gonna call somebody the G.O.A.T., do it for the right reasons. Jigga, Ra, BIG, Kane, Slick Rick, Nas, and very very few others are the complete package. They're the best, not just cos they can spit a nice verse or two, or hit you with a hot punchline every now n then. Not cos they pack a lot of charisma, wit, a good voice, nice flow, or set off some trends, but usually because they can do all those things, and do them consistently. A lot of dudes fall off, and some just come and go...but their merits can't just be based on what they're capable of doing or what they did for a minute or two. A great rapper can and WILL prove his worth each n every time, especially when forced to show his skill (Kinda like how LL steps his game up everytime someone comes at him). Now, before anyone goes off about Pac, Em, G Rap, Andre or Big Pun, I just gotta say that as much as I love these artists, they aren't in contention for bein the BEST....If anyone wants to know why, I'll get into it, but for now I'm gonna leave it at that, cos this is gettin waaaaaaay too long. Peace

Oh, n if you happen to disagree, tell me why n I'll respond...don't just start talkin shit about what I'm sayin, thanx.

BTW, just cos someone is YOUR favorite, it doesn't make him the best. An example is a lot of people know Shaq's been MVP but still hate his guts (like me). So it really just comes down to preference. And for the record, I definitely think Jay is top three (with Rakim n BIG) as far as rap goes.

Mic...

Yo man, the intro on Reasonalbe Doubt is from Scarface(pain n da ass just mimicks the voice)...its from the scene outside of the coffee stand where manolo and tony are working right after they get their green cards...its when lopez offers them the job with the colombians...trust me, i know that movie by heart

Mic,

How is Pac not even in contention for the best? That's jus crazy... Pac was real n really put it all in the mic... he was a studio junkie too- he the only rapper that had his life ended short but has came out wit more albums after his death than some livin MC's do in thier whole careers feel me? I mean IMO I dont think there is one greatest rapper- cuz its all bout who you feel n what you feel ya know? If I were to pick a greatest tho it'd be this dude who aint even signed yet that might be soon.... cuz the game is kinda weak right now ya know? I aint sayin Pac was the best- but he def. a legend in the game n should at least be a consideration if you talkin who the best

Romark, you're right man. That is from Scarface. I was mixin it up with the intro from Vol. 1. My bad.

Con, what I meant by excluding Pac for contention in bein the best rapper was that I don't think that he represents the whole package and therefore can't be The Absolute Best. There's too many elements missing for that to be a concise statement. He is def. a legend tho. As far as influence and charisma go, he has everyone beat. But do you think a written verse by Pac on paper would amaze as well as one by Rakim or Slick Rick? Pac had a breathless flow, ill voice and could freestyle even. But his lyrics were sometimes redundant and simple, which also happened to make them very memorable and affecting, no question. Let me put it this way, Pac excelled beyond all other rappers in many areas, and suffered in others. Seriously, how many sick punchlines came out of his mouth? Don't think that I'm sayin he isn't dope tho. Pac is one of my personal favorite artists of all time, probably top ten. But I can differentiate between someone who is a favorite, and someone who is actually the best at what he does. To me, it makes more sense to say that Pac is defintiely one of the greatest artists of our time than just the greatest rapper. He was alot more than just a rapper anyway. Peace.

...I should also mention that Pac could be alot tighter lyrically when he tried. Consider how intricately written his verse was on Same Song. The same can be said for If I Die Tonite and Got My Mind Made Up. But when he started cuttin 10 tracks a night, he kinda started to lose steam lyrically. He def. stepped it up as far as flow goes at that point though. One thing he was never short on was heart.

i gotta agree its impossible to determine the greatest rapper of all time, its just a matter of preference, but at the same time i also think there is like a top 5 list it is in no particular order:
pac, biggie, jay z, rakim , slick rick

u probably noticed i left some questionable artist like nas out, and not that im hating on nas, but he has been to inconsistent, and he is like one big contradictory of himself, and as for those who say nas is the better mc realize this, nas claims to be street, even though he tried to go mainstream a couple of times, but he didn't make it, all of a sudden he starts talking about jay z and everyone listens, therefor stillmatic goes platnum, the jay and nas beef start to die down and all of a sudden god son doesn't sell as well, and the braveheart cd flops, even with help from lil john and them. Illmatic was obviously a great cd, one of the best ever, and stillmatic was great as well, but two hot albums ten years apart doesn't qualify anyone for the greats list.

P.S.
sorry about the long message

THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G.IS THE GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME. Thats not an opinion, it is fact. He has never known a whack bar. Ready to Die and Life After Death speak for themselves, he shot %100 from the field. The greatest rapper must exemplify greatness. Only three rappers have done that. B.I.G. put the East on his back, Pac put the West on his back, and Jay reigned from 1998-2004. Jay-Z and Tupac both put out a lot of songs and albums, but not everyone of their songs or albums are hott. B.I.G. on the other hand was perfect, and at the same time most versatile. B.I.G. put out Ready to Die which was arguably the best debut in rap history and then ended his career with the Life After Death, which was the best commercial album ever, hands down (ask Jay how hard it is to put out a perfect Double Disc CD.)

Again for the slow, Biggie is like Michael Jordan if he ended his career after he won his sixth championship. Jay-Z and Pac are like Michael Jordan with his Bulls years and his Wizard years all combined. They are still great, just not perfect.

THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G.IS THE GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME. Thats not an opinion, it is fact. He has never known a whack bar. Ready to Die and Life After Death speak for themselves, he shot %100 from the field. The greatest rapper must exemplify greatness. Only three rappers have done that. B.I.G. put the East on his back, Pac put the West on his back, and Jay reigned from 1998-2004. Jay-Z and Tupac both put out a lot of songs and albums, but not everyone of their songs or albums are hott. B.I.G. on the other hand was perfect, and at the same time most versatile. B.I.G. put out Ready to Die which was arguably the best debut in rap history and then ended his career with the Life After Death, which was the best commercial album ever, hands down (ask Jay how hard it is to put out a perfect Double Disc CD.)

Again for the slow, Biggie is like Michael Jordan if he ended his career after he won his sixth championship. Jay-Z and Pac are like Michael Jordan with his Bulls years and his Wizard years all combined. They are still great, just not perfect.

THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G.IS THE GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME. Thats not an opinion, it is fact. He has never known a whack bar. Ready to Die and Life After Death speak for themselves, he shot %100 from the field. The greatest rapper must exemplify greatness. Only three rappers have done that. B.I.G. put the East on his back, Pac put the West on his back, and Jay reigned from 1998-2004. Jay-Z and Tupac both put out a lot of songs and albums, but not everyone of their songs or albums are hott. B.I.G. on the other hand was perfect, and at the same time most versatile. B.I.G. put out Ready to Die which was arguably the best debut in rap history and then ended his career with the Life After Death, which was the best commercial album ever, hands down (ask Jay how hard it is to put out a perfect Double Disc CD.)

Again for the slow, Biggie is like Michael Jordan if he ended his career after he won his sixth championship. Jay-Z and Pac are like Michael Jordan with his Bulls years and his Wizard years all combined. They are still great, just not perfect.

Cheeze, you got some valid points, but I don't personally agree that BIG is undisputably the best. Rakim is sorely over-looked in this day, which really exemplifies the short attention span of hiphop heads. Rock music doesn't crowm a new king every couple of years. Most people just acknowledge that Elvis was the best to do it. Likewise most agree that James Brown is the Godfather of Soul, that the Beatles were the greatest pop group and that Johnny Cash was the best country singer that ever lived. In his own right, Rakim broke down barriers in rhyme patterns, flipped a new flow that has influenced every rapper since, whether they know it or not, and came with the absolute most advanced lyrics hiphop had ever seen. If you were there when it all went down, you know what I mean. He changed the game for real. Everybody after him borrowed from him. My point is Ra existed before Pac, Big, Jay, Nas or whoever, and therefore didn't need them to get where he ended up. All those other rappers could never have taken it to the level they did had it not been for Ra. That's undisputable. 1

Oh, and Cheeze, I love Ready to Die and Life After Death, but neither one is a perfect album. I don't think rap has even given us a perfect lp. Closest I can think of are Nation of Millions...(Too much filler tho), Illmatic (flawed by It Ain't Hard To Tell), Raising Hell (again, filler), Death Certificate (some weak tracks) or Straight Outta Compton (Somethin to Dance To ruined that)

OK let's get one thing straight, that fact that you or anyone considers someone to be the greatest is strictly opinion and never anything but. That you claim that Biggie was perfect to me suggests that you're a bit young and haven't been listenng to hip-hop for too long.

In '96 Rakim was considered to be the greatest, (and that was a majority OPINION) Biggie as well as jay were considered to be chief culprits in the "Big Willie" style and were roundly criticised, similarly to how one may view Chingy today.

However I'd be interested in an explanation of why you or anyone thinks Biggie was the greatest (or perfect for that matter). Don't get me wrong I'm a fan, but I never saw him as the greatest

Mic,

Did you not see scarface?????? Or did Carlito's way have the same exact scene???????

I could give a fuck about Big Pun (the puertorican wannabe B.I.G), but tell me why Andre aint one of the best. There is nobody and I mean nobody who is more real or who can match wit with him. Jay's my boy, but Andre is on some other shit and 2 or 3 years from now you'll find out why. You must listen to Kast albums the same way you watch scarface.....missing a whole lot of shit.

Jay is Mike Jordan and Big is Len Bias (the best that maybe could have been).

Mic,

Did you not see scarface?????? Or did Carlito's way have the same exact scene???????

I could give a fuck about Big Pun (the puertorican wannabe B.I.G), but tell me why Andre aint one of the best. There is nobody and I mean nobody who is more real or who can match wit with him. Jay's my boy, but Andre is on some other shit and 2 or 3 years from now you'll find out why. You must listen to Kast albums the same way you watch scarface.....missing a whole lot of shit.

Jay is Mike Jordan and Big is Len Bias (the best that maybe could have been).

Mic

I read your next post, glad to see you realized your mistake. You know Vol. 1 gets a lot of flaque, but in my opinion that should be considered one his best (execpt for I know what girls like). I mean Lucky Me, You must love me, Marcy, Friend or Foe 98, Streets is Watching, A million and one ?'s, Imaginary player, should I keep going. These songs are some of the man's best work and people fail to realize it.

Mic

I read your next post, glad to see you realized your mistake. You know Vol. 1 gets a lot of flaque, but in my opinion that should be considered one his best (execpt for I know what girls like). I mean Lucky Me, You must love me, Marcy, Friend or Foe 98, Streets is Watching, A million and one ?'s, Imaginary player, should I keep going. These songs are some of the man's best work and people fail to realize it.

Cheeze - About your comments on Jan 6
Jay didn't ruin Franks voice because that wasn't sample from Frank Sinatra. It was sample from a version that Paul Ankor had done. It would have been way to expensive to use Frank, so the used the Paul Ankor version. Check the Credits

Oh and speaking of sacreligous statements about on poison when Nas said the white jesus is poison. I actually liked the album up to that point, but then vowed never to buy it.

Mic

I read your next post, glad to see you realized your mistake. You know Vol. 1 gets a lot of flaque, but in my opinion that should be considered one his best (execpt for I know what girls like). I mean Lucky Me, You must love me, Marcy, Friend or Foe 98, Streets is Watching, A million and one ?'s, Imaginary player, should I keep going. These songs are some of the man's best work and people fail to realize it.

Cheeze - About your comments on Jan 6
Jay didn't ruin Franks voice because that wasn't sample from Frank Sinatra. It was sample from a version that Paul Ankor had done. It would have been way to expensive to use Frank, so the used the Paul Ankor version. Check the Credits

Oh and speaking of sacreligous statements about on poison when Nas said the white jesus is poison. I actually liked the album up to that point, but then vowed never to buy it.

Cheeze

Like I said before real recognize real, but do you regonize Frank?

Trade Man, that's Paul Anka, not Ankor. Paul Ankor doesn't exist...and I pointed this out on Jan. 6th anyhow.
But that's cool...anyways, what I wanted to address is the Andre topic. Andre is def. a tight rapper, which is why I mentioned him to begin with. I love Outkast and always have, ever since I picked up the Players Ball single. The only reason why I don't think (again, this is only my opinion) that he is possibly the best rapper ever is cos if you wrote out his lyrics on a piece of paper they lose their effect. I'm not sayin he doesn't say cool shit, but the words don't always rhyme perfectly. Andre tends to give greater emphasis to what he's tryin to say, rather than rhyme two words together. I find it to be equally distracting if a rapper spits a bunch of words that rhyme together, and sacrifices any real content. The idea is to find some sort of balance.

And Vol.1 is def. underrated. It's only marred by two or three sloppy commercial joints. If you take those away, you got a serious classic.

Finally, I think what Nas meant by that "white Jesus is poison" line is often misunderstood. I believe he's suggesting that the continual portrayal of Jesus as a white man with light features is inaccurate. I don't know if he's one of many who believe that Jesus was black (which he wasn't), but he has a valid point. I'm sure that he feels that this sort of bias imagery lends false credence to the notion that whites are superior to all other races. Dealing with the facts, Jesus lived in what is presently the Middle East...so people should be able to make up their own minds based on that.

And no, I wasn't planning to add to every comment you made...No offense- 1

Mic

I feel you, good points. I can't argue with that. Your right there has to be some sort of happy medium between flow and content. I personally don't feel like everything should rhyme as long as it makes sense and intertwines with the beat. I knew it was anka or ankor or something like that, but you get the point.

I knew what Nas was getting at with that statement, but still don't agree with it (but thats my view).

What do yall think about the song "I did it my way," where Jay-Z volunteered Frank SInatra to be on the song??? My main beef with the track is that Jay ruined Frank Sinatra's voice, thats not how he sounds at all, and I think thats a lil disrespectful.

Posted by: Cheeze at January 6, 2004 11:05 AM

Trade Man thanks for the correction, but your late "mic" already explained that. But I re-posted to comment to show I clearly did not recognize that to be Frank Sinatra's voice "thats not how he sounds at all." It's an honest mistake considering i buy Jay-Z's albums bootleg (thus not allowing me to check the credits) because I never know if i'm going to get a full effort or not, and Jay aint hustling this husteler.

P.S. I'm guessing you didn't interrpet Nas correctly. He is saying that Jesus was black, and for him to be portrayed as white when the bible shows he was black is poison in that its an attempt to put down the black man

What bible are you reading????? The ones the chinese people sell at the flea market don't count. I'm roman catholic and I have never heard or seen of jesus being black. Actually I couldn't tell you what the man looks like, my perception of the man as been overshadowed by the only pictures I've ever seen of him. In my eyes and many others, thats what the man looks like.....but who knows? Being catholic, to me that was a sacreligous statement. I don't argue religion that's just stupid. It's not right for me to tell someone else how or what to believe. To think that anything is etched in stone or are the real facts of something that went on that long ago is just IGNORANT. We all believe (hopefully) and that's all that matters. II'll leave it at that.

Yeah I'm sure everyone whoever drew a picture of jesus was saying, "I think I'll make him white, so I can put down the black man". Dude get off your I'm black and from New York kick, go do an interview with farakhan or something.

Again, in my opinion I don't believe Jesus was black or white. He was born in Israel, so I can only assume he looked like an Israeli. Some Middle Eastern people have very light features though. But no accurate rendering of Jesus's actual image exists because any drawings or paintings of him were made long after he left the Earth. Also Cheeze, the Bible makes no mention of Jesus being black. That's a complete fallacy and/or KRS-1 branded theory.

No offense to anybody...

By the way, the town of Nazareth, where Jesus was born (in his earthly form) still exists today. It's in Israel. Now let's get off the topic...

Chances are, he would have looked more like a modern day Palestinian than Israeli. But people do change in appearance over 2 thousand years, and Israel/Palestine has seen many invasions and conquests by outsiders. I would guess that very few people in that area have any sort of "pure" ancestry in the way that indigenous people in isolated areas might be considered pure. It's the crossroads of the world. But also it is a moot point what Jesus looked like. The people of that time were more concerned with ethnicity and tribal affiliations than skin tone or eye color. Different times... different people.

Good point eric...

"If you can't respect that your whole perpesctive is wack, maybe you will love me when i fade to black" Jay-z [black album]. First off all you niggas who on here hatin on my man Jay-z sayin he went quote "commercial" is fuckin stupid. you dumb motherfuckers is qucik to call somebody "commercial" for tryin to make some money. what rapper dont get in the game to get rich and famous, that make he/she "commercial" get real. look at it like this, how the nigga KRS-ONE goin to call Nelly "commercial" but he was the one in the sprite commercials talkin that obey your thirst,what the fuck is that. you got damn critics have got to get real, and stop judgin what you dont understand. My man Jay-z is the best in the game since Vol. 2 went 5x Platinum. Last question can yall come out on Sept. 11,one of the darkest days in american history, and still sell out New York and do 400,000 copies?

Has anybody heard the new news concerning Damon Dash? I am looking for any information you have.

All I know is his cousin Stacey is fine as hell.

But to answer your question, no.

Well the bible says he had dark feet and hair like wool..."put it together"

P.S. In response to Trade Man's post which reads "Yeah I'm sure everyone whoever drew a picture of jesus was saying, 'I think I'll make him white, so I can put down the black man'. Dude get off your I'm black and from New York kick, go do an interview with farakhan or something."

Ummm sorry but this is a belief/theory that extends far beyond me, Farakahan, Nas, KRS 1, and New Yorkers. So don't shoot at the messenger.

And I never said the bible SAYS he is black, my exact words were that is "portrayed as white when the bible SHOWS he was black"

yeah, absolutely... European artists have re-ethnicized what Jesus looks like. But do keep in mind that nowhere in the Bible is there mention of race. Racism is a relatively new phenomenon, if I'm not mistaken. It used to be just ethnicism, classism, and xenophobia.

I would first like to say that everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is mines, Jay-Z is one of the best to every touch a mic. His metaphor, timing, and flow is like no other.... and its sad that people still will not give my man his props. To me he is diffently one of the greatest of all time. Welcome to the hall of fame HOV. It seems that in this world that we live in things aren't truly missed until they are gone.

Trade Man, Damon Dash's been accused of raping a model. She's filed a lawsuit against him for 15 mil. I'm not sure if that's what you're askin about...

Yeah Jay is goin' to court as well, some lady wants dough claimin' she helped make the song "Izzo"

WOWY! Man that album was spankin... i like to sqeeuze my girlfriends ass and lick her tits and she sucks my dick then i put it through her ass n she likes it n thats not all i do i do the fingerin job, the eat through and the titties sqeeze

I bet you're a virgin dog, and that ya "girlfriend" had to be inflated before you got to do any of that...

I think that jay z has created a wonderful, and powerful record. All tha songs on the cd explains some of tha troubles he went threw and what he is going to do in the future. Jay z is not done, he still gotz producing to to so, respect to Jay z.

now that everybody's done talking out of there ass. jay z was great. but was, is the key word. "excusse me miss" is how everybody should say to the jigga man, cuz only girls should talk about diamands,bitches and riches. leave it to your girl beyonce to talk about shit like that. its a shame for emcee's on the radio and television to respect and value the wrong things in life. now this might be harsh but it's "real". why is a record company or any corparation telling u how to make music. when real music, music in general, comes form the soul. to me its sound like a lot of these so called emcee's are slave's to the own music. for anybody that knows hiphop, hiphop is on the rise agian, underground is the future. and it will not be televized. respect to sage francis, anticon, peanuts and corn records, project blowed, and hiphop from 93' to 97'.

This is 2004, if it aint telivized who cares!!

you know i never did like jay z but you know that album black that shit was knockin yeah its coo but that illmatic and stillmatic is better i just came to say that nas is better lyricly and will all ways be so ill show you some luv with this black thing aight son
yo
loyal from los an L A

Jay-z aka H.O.V.A. has made the rap Biggie left jay took over. whoever said jay is not the real life words in this world.jay the rap game needs you i understand that you wanna give it a rest but come back.Memphis is just now coming out and i know you want to let him shine for now but please come back.I
need you and other people need you.
P.S. YOU AND BEYONCE NEED TO MAKE SOME BABIES!!!!!!!

This is what I responded to.

P.S. I'm guessing you didn't interrpet Nas correctly. He is saying that Jesus was black, and for him to be portrayed as white when the bible shows he was black is poison in that its an attempt to put down the black man.

Yeah I'm sure everyone whoever drew a picture of jesus was saying, "I think I'll make him white, so I can put down the black man". Dude get off your I'm black and from New York kick, go do an interview with farakhan or something.

I was being sarcastic, but I do want to know how it's a direct attempt at putting the black man down. I just find it hard to believe that whoever came up with the image of Jesus wouldn't want to use the exact image, just because he was black. The bible says he's dark, well that about narrows it down doesn't it. I guess you fail to realize that there are a myriad of other cultures that are dark complected. So why it an attempt to only put down the black man, that is what you said and another thing. I have never heard of that image of God's son being referred to as the white jesus, is that what your churches call it or is that just Nas's theory.

P.S. How Come I never hear anything about AZ? Doe or Die is classic and he's only put out one shitty album (9 lives). Oter then that his catalogue is tight. I think he's just as good as Nas.

By the, way is just me? Does The Life and Times of S.Carter get slept on or what? I bought this album for like the 5th time today, so I had something fresh to listen to on the ride back to NC. This CD is almost flawless. Take out tracks 8 and 9 (verses on these songs are hard though, but to paint by numbers) and this CD is mint. The 2nd verse of the snoopy track gets me in game mode, I'm ready to pimp after that.

Trade Man, I don't know about Vol 3 bein underrated. It has it's moments, I suppose. I'm addicted to So Ghetto and NYMP, but the rest is just cool. Big Pimpin was sick the first few times I heard it tho. A lot of it has been played too much. Funny enough, I don't get enough of Hard Knock Life (the track not the LP). The cuts from Jay's catalog that I think don't get their just praise are:

1. Friend or Foe - this is THE tightest narrative ever spit by a rapper ever. It's Better than A Children's Story or anything by BIG (sorry cheeze). He takes it to another level on this one. You feel like he's just speakin to you...and makin you feel like a real sucker too.

2. Streets is Talking - Beat is sick, plus Jay has never sounded better since. He's relaxed and composed and rippin some nice bars. Wish the Beans verse was left off.

3. You Must Love Me - This is some real shit. Not some bullshit about how your wife drives you crazy and that your mom popped too many pills. This dude has serious regrets about sellin his mom crack, shootin his brother, and gettin his girl to smuggle dope. Think about how far Eminem has stretched his sob story (into a movie even) and then consider how Jay spit his heartfelt regrets on just one track, and then kept it movin. This had an impact on me.

Jay is my nigga til tha end. Fuck Nas and 50cent. Jay gone always be the best cat to put it down hard in the music industry. He got tha finest and Sexiest bitch in history. It can't get no betta than JAY muther fuckin Z

I'm a London boy, and I'm a huge fan of J.

I think that people must be crazy to dismiss this album.

People have a real hard time keeping up with their first killer album, because they aren't as fresh and they have too much expectation to live up to.

After SOOOO many albums, this one is STILL hot, which is a fuckin' miracle. How can a 32 year old rapper who has been doing his things for a decade still sound so fresh and sick?

I have to say, I think Jay-Z has reached his prime on this one - his peak; right at the top of the hill, and what a good way to bow out.

Although I love tracks like 'threats' and 'service announcement' to death, 'Encore' is one of the sickest, nastiest, illest, dopest, nicest tracks I have EVER heard in any genre. It sends shivers down my spine.

Classic J- we're all gonna miss ya!

I'm a London boy, and I'm a huge fan of J.

I think that people must be crazy to dismiss this album.

People have a real hard time keeping up with their first killer album, because they aren't as fresh and they have too much expectation to live up to.

After SOOOO many albums, this one is STILL hot, which is a fuckin' miracle. How can a 32 year old rapper who has been doing his things for a decade still sound so fresh and sick?

I have to say, I think Jay-Z has reached his prime on this one - his peak; right at the top of the hill, and what a good way to bow out.

Although I love tracks like 'threats' and 'service announcement' to death, 'Encore' is one of the sickest, nastiest, illest, dopest, nicest tracks I have EVER heard in any genre. It sends shivers down my spine.

Classic J- we're all gonna miss ya!

Jay-Z no longer CEO of the roc?

Jay-Z no longer CEO of the roc?

Jay-Z no longer CEO of the ROC. Heard he's taking Bleek and Beans with him

Yeah,

He might need help running the Nets!!!!! Name another artist in Hip Hop that owns a team?????????? Jay's the best that ever did it and just the fact that people like Cheeze get on hear to try and ruin his name, every chance they get, prooves just that. Your a fuckin nerd!!!!

Trades

Yeah,

He might need help running the Nets!!!!! Name another artist in Hip Hop that owns a team?????????? Jay's the best that ever did it and just the fact that people like Cheeze get on hear to try and ruin his name, every chance they get, prooves just that. Your a fuckin nerd!!!!

Trades

Calm down baby boy. Just stating facts, keepin' it informative. I figured a Jay-Z site wouldn't mind knowing such information. And Jay-Z doesn't have the money to buy the Nets himself, but he does have a significant amount of shares, i'll give him that much.

P.S. Dame did him pretty dirty so it seems. I guess Dame had a lil more pull all along. I guess in the words of Juelz Santana "shouts to Cam for takin' over THE ROC!" Any info on Jay-Z's new record label ideas would be appreciated.

Calm down baby boy. Just stating facts, keepin' it informative. I figured a Jay-Z site wouldn't mind knowing such information. And Jay-Z doesn't have the money to buy the Nets himself, but he does have a significant amount of shares, i'll give him that much.

P.S. Dame did him pretty dirty so it seems. I guess Dame had a lil more pull all along. I guess in the words of Juelz Santana "shouts to Cam for takin' over THE ROC!" Any info on Jay-Z's new record label ideas would be appreciated.

Calm down baby boy. Just stating facts, keepin' it informative. I figured a Jay-Z site wouldn't mind knowing such information. And Jay-Z doesn't have the money to buy the Nets himself, but he does have a significant amount of shares, i'll give him that much.

P.S. Dame did him pretty dirty so it seems. I guess Dame had a lil more pull all along. I guess in the words of Juelz Santana "shouts to Cam for takin' over THE ROC!" Any info on Jay-Z's new record label ideas would be appreciated.

Juelz is the man!!!! Look I've ready many articles on this break up for a while and everyone I've read said it's not happening. I read MTV.com almost everyday and have not seen one thing about it. So where did you get this info, if it is indeed fact????

Juelz is the man!!!! Look I've ready many articles on this break up for a while and everyone I've read said it's not happening. I read MTV.com almost everyday and have not seen one thing about it. So where did you get this info, if it is indeed fact????

Juelz is the man!!!! Look I've ready many articles on this break up for a while and everyone I've read said it's not happening. I read MTV.com almost everyday and have not seen one thing about it. So where did you get this info?

Juelz is the man!!!! Look I've ready many articles on this break up for a while and everyone I've read said it's not happening. I read MTV.com almost everyday and have not seen one thing about it. So where did you get this info?

Juelz is the man!!!! Look I've ready many articles on this break up for a while and everyone I've read said it's not happening. I read MTV.com almost everyday and have not seen one thing about it. So where did you get this info.

Thats the word on the streets, and I also heard it on Hot 97. I heard the executive replacement is Kenny Burns.

P.S. anybody heard Kanye's album yet? Damn shame niggaz that cant even rap takin' over the game.

What do you all think of the new remixes of the Black Album. The grey album is the shit.

sup ya'll...I'm a Jay-Z fan and I didn't really get into his music till around Hard Knock Life album dropped and by that time he had blown up into a mainstream hip hop artist. His lyrics may not be as good as they were when he first came out, but The Black Album is off da chain. People whining about how he talks bout himself all the time. Tell me one MC that don't do that, and so what if he does cuz hip hop music is boastful and confident. Rappers are supposed to think that they are the best and that's what keeps it competitive and keeps the public hungering for me. I listened to it and at first it didnt stick in lyrically what he was tryin to say. But the more I listened and tried to grasp the concepts of his songs the more I understood. Not all the songs were hot, but some hot ones were, "Dec. 4", "Encore", "What More Can I Say", "Dirt Off Your Shoulder", "Threat", "PSA", and "My First Song"...listen to him and try to understand what he's saying and we should support our hip hop artists cuz as much money we pullin in people still think it's some weak urban ghetto black kids music...

sup ya'll...I'm a Jay-Z fan and I didn't really get into his music till around Hard Knock Life album dropped and by that time he had blown up into a mainstream hip hop artist. His lyrics may not be as good as they were when he first came out, but The Black Album is off da chain. People whining about how he talks bout himself all the time. Tell me one MC that don't do that, and so what if he does cuz hip hop music is boastful and confident. Rappers are supposed to think that they are the best and that's what keeps it competitive and keeps the public hungering for me. I listened to it and at first it didnt stick in lyrically what he was tryin to say. But the more I listened and tried to grasp the concepts of his songs the more I understood. Not all the songs were hot, but some hot ones were, "Dec. 4", "Encore", "What More Can I Say", "Dirt Off Your Shoulder", "Threat", "PSA", and "My First Song"...listen to him and try to understand what he's saying and we should support our hip hop artists cuz as much money we pullin in people still think it's some weak urban ghetto black kids music...

His third best album behind 1.Reasonable Doubt and 2. Blueprint. Give this album a couple of run throughs, and you'll love it. It's one of those albums that after you put it back in your system after a period of no play, you find a new song to love. The reason being that Jay still has a lot to say, and you catch new shit all the time. Best songs: Lucifer, My First Song, Justify My Thug, respectfully. Worst song: Change Clothes... but still lady loveable. Don't think your boy dropped his last. You'll hear from him again. The "Allure" of the rap game keeps calling his name. It's a shame that a rap industry filled with such shit rap has to lose one of the best ever. Let's stop buying bullshit rap and filter out all the nonsense.

Mase is back!

Cheeze stay off the comments section. What you say is... Cheezy.
u fuckin dork.

excuse me if my every last comment isnt about Jay-Z memories

excuse me if my every last comment isnt about Jay-Z memories

Its funny to me, u pour ur pathetic hearts out on this board, and if nobody responds to ur whack redundant comments, u get so offended.

Mase is Back--They kicked him out of the church--he was just to gully for'm. Yeah Right!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha.

Mase is Back--They kicked him out of the church--he was just to gully for'm. Yeah Right!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha.

Laugh now cry later, just remember where u heard it first.

P.S. Jay is gone Mase is back, let's change the name of this board!

gone for a while, suprised to see this page still going, but oh well, i see this site aint got no page for kayne west album,i know it aint been released yet, but im sure enough people got the bootleg, so i guess ill post it here, the shit is tough, i dont know if its a classic but still up to par, jay makes a memorable appereance on the album along with mos def and ludacris, the shit is tight, looking for some good things from Kayne, cuz cam and juelz gon have a tough time taking over for jigga, but i see kayne who plays both sides of the fences, as is conscious and popular as a new breed of mc's who gonna take over the game soon.

Cheeze, that's a rumor...nothin's been confirmed by anybody at Bad Boy or anywhere else. Some old shit by Ma$e's been leaking out...nothin new tho.

West is going to have to learn how to rap first. His beats are genius though. Cam's new album will be out in March and Juelz's shit is off the chain. He's so young, but yet his lyrics our mature. Can't wait to see what happens as he grows.

Jay-z iz a good rapper. I didnt get his album but I her it wuz good. I dont like him but hes pretty good. He just haznt come out with anything hot again.

Chingy sucks donkey ass! he cant even rap. What iz this world commin too. Hes like another Nelly but worst. His voice iz so annoying theres to much south everything sound the same except ppl not from the south

about juelz, i aint feelin him too much, cuz i think he infleunced by cam to much, like i cam's flow of late is questionable, it either makes a track great or it just ruins it, check the "never scared, remix" cam was the worst one, i know what hes tryin' to do, but i dont agree with it, as for juelz i can tell hes one big song away from stardom(thats either a good thing or a bad thing)but his rhymes need to step it up, his album wasn't great, but he did shine on the diplomat album. For a guy from the east he needs to bring up his use of metaphors and similies, to really convince me he can play with the big dogs, but yeah he is young so there is time to improve, as for kayne yeah is cd is driven by the great beats, but i do think his rhymes aint that bad, "through the wire" is sick, he fully brought it on that track, on this track "Jesus Walks" and "School Spirit" he really shows some serious talent, but yeah his album does have tracks where his verses are just outshined by the beat(kinda like obie trice) but he still got talent, regardless. Looking for improvement on "Late Registration"(thats what he said the name was, but i guess it could change) his second album.

about juelz, i aint feelin him too much, cuz i think he infleunced by cam to much, like i cam's flow of late is questionable, it either makes a track great or it just ruins it, check the "never scared, remix" cam was the worst one, i know what hes tryin' to do, but i dont agree with it, as for juelz i can tell hes one big song away from stardom(thats either a good thing or a bad thing)but his rhymes need to step it up, his album wasn't great, but he did shine on the diplomat album. For a guy from the east he needs to bring up his use of metaphors and similies, to really convince me he can play with the big dogs, but yeah he is young so there is time to improve, as for kayne yeah is cd is driven by the great beats, but i do think his rhymes aint that bad, "through the wire" is sick, he fully brought it on that track, on this track "Jesus Walks" and "School Spirit" he really shows some serious talent, but yeah his album does have tracks where his verses are just outshined by the beat(kinda like obie trice) but he still got talent, regardless. Looking for improvement on "Late Registration"(thats what he said the name was, but i guess it could change) his second album.

You better go back and listen to that Juelz album again. "your bitch won't fuck you I told her not to cheat on me" "She uses the bathroom, she pee's with me, then she goes home and eats with you" That's a hard as rhyme. The rest of the album is sick dude.

You better go back and listen to that Juelz album again. "your bitch won't fuck you I told her not to cheat on me" "She uses the bathroom, she pee's with me, then she goes home and eats with you" That's a hard as rhyme. The rest of the album is sick dude.

Yes, I am a Jay-Z fan, but before you stop reading, I think we should recognize one thing: Jay-Z evokes some serious emotions in people. Whether people hate (in the Webster meaning of the word) or love Jay-Z, they hate or love hard. Jay-Z was a breath of fresh air for me. At a time when you were either street or political, Jay-Z brought class to the game. He was living proof that a young black male from the projects can shine. He can go to Marcy or Paris and fit right in. I think Jay would rather not promote street life. The problem is that after a while, people forget where you came from. So, you have to take it back and say, "Wait a minute. I'm from the hood. Don't f*ck with me." If Jay-Z would have changed his style, people would have said, "Oh, now he's trying to be like Nas," or "Jay-Z is a hypocrite." If he sticks to his own style, people are like, "Heard it all before." Well, I hear a lot of things being repeated. Hip hop is going through a dry spell right now. No one is doing anything great, but Allure, Lucifer, 99 Problems, Encore, and What More Can I Say are classic tracks. At least Jay is writing books and selling phones (I know it's a stretch) and trying to be innovative. How crazy would it have been to pay some change to see Nas and Jay-Z battle on Pay Per View? Everyone will miss Jay-Z when he's gone- whether they admit it, or not- because he tries to keep the ball rolling.

La La, I have to agree with you. When Chingy said, "yeah boo, I can't see me without you" I was pretty much done.

Rap is gonna need till 2006 to recover. Honestly its been whack since Blueprint one. The interim leaders of the game will be Cam, Ludacris, Kanye, 50, and Em. The only ones that have longevity on their sides are 50, Em, and Cam. Kanye has nice beats, but he flat out cant rap. Nice ideas, but he cant rap....BE A PRODUCER! This album will top the charts, even twista did! Damn twista is goin Platinum...he aint been good since 1997, but anyway Luda is becoming a jester and the Chingy, Nick Cannon caliber rappers better eat now while they still can.

P.S. Lloyd Banks is slippin! he's losing his shot i think. Oh and when Shyne comes out, lets just say whoever signs him is a genius.

Yeah he did it again niggas I know what you'll haters asking yu'self, "Is he ever gon fall off"? NOO!!! There's no stopping this nigga, just when you though it was over he STEPPED IT UP ANOTHER LEVEL. Not only has dropped the best album, he now co-own the NEW JERSEY NETS. If you can't RESPECT that your whole PERSPECTIVE is WHACK

Yeah he did it again niggas I know what you'll haters asking yu'self, "Is he ever gon fall off"? NOO!!! There's no stopping this nigga, just when you though it was over he STEPPED IT UP ANOTHER LEVEL. Not only has dropped the best album, he now co-own the NEW JERSEY NETS. If you can't RESPECT that your whole PERSPECTIVE is WHACK

Lucky for Jay he had a his woman to help him win a couple grammy's.

Well I just previewed the Kanye album on Tower Records.com and well I'm not impressed. He reminds me of a bad running back with a good line. In other words he lays down a mean beat, but dude can't rap. I like what he has to say though. I like the fact that he's trying to bring different stories to the game, but even I can say something different and not beable to rap in the process. He may take over the production game, but he'll never be mentioned in the same sentence as any of the greats or not so greats as far as flowin goes. I was thinking about buying the CD to give the ROC some support, hear a new Jay verse, and some phat ass beats. The album does stick with one theme and one feel which I like, but is he trying to tell me and all of the other students in the world to quit school and get a job because that's what it sounds like. With all due respect he can go bankrupt tommorrow and have everything taken away from him, but no one can take away my degree. This was just a preview that I heard, so I'm gonna check out the whole thing and get back. Hey the preview didn't do the Memphis Bleek any justice; hopefully this will turn out different as well. With all this hype it better be better then what I've heard so far.

The Trade Man

Well I just previewed the Kanye album on Tower Records.com and well I'm not impressed. He reminds me of a bad running back with a good line. In other words he lays down a mean beat, but dude can't rap. I like what he has to say though. I like the fact that he's trying to bring different stories to the game, but even I can say something different and not beable to rap in the process. He may take over the production game, but he'll never be mentioned in the same sentence as any of the greats or not so greats as far as flowin goes. I was thinking about buying the CD to give the ROC some support, hear a new Jay verse, and some phat ass beats. The album does stick with one theme and one feel which I like, but is he trying to tell me and all of the other students in the world to quit school and get a job because that's what it sounds like. With all due respect he can go bankrupt tommorrow and have everything taken away from him, but no one can take away my degree. This was just a preview that I heard, so I'm gonna check out the whole thing and get back. Hey the preview didn't do the Memphis Bleek any justice; hopefully this will turn out different as well. With all this hype it better be better then what I've heard so far.

The Trade Man

YO!!!! anybody buy that Kayne West Shit? did they hear that shit with jay on it? is he coming back or is he just rhyming?

Those lyrics could have been penned years ago or a month ago but quite frankly he can take a rest. I wouldn't be suprised if another album dropped in about two years ago. How many times did Jordan make a comeback? By the way I'm not comparing Jay-Z (Hova, S.Carter, J-Hova, etc.) on a skills level but the field is garbage. Fiddy Cent? Come on.

The Black Album is whatever. The rilla is the Grey Album by Danger Mouse: http://www.djdangermouse.com

So fuck off. . .

The Grey Album is the shit. Been waiting for something like that for awhile. I hope some one mixes some Pink Floyd with Jay next. There is only 3,000 copies out their. I downloaded mine, but would love to have an original for my collection. Wouldn't be phat if Paul McCartney and Jay did a live performance.

i can't understand why people so down on kayne for, yeah i understand maybe the album is not great, and i probably overrated it the first time i posted(i guess i just followed the beat), but it aint crap, its pretty good, espically compared to what is out right now.

Twista album aint nothin to brag about either, but its aight.

But realistically there hasn't been a good album in a while(outkast, jay-z excluded) i aint hearin no one put out a good album, the braveheart album was pure crap(except for like two songs), DMX final album wasn't anything special, the G-unit alubm didn't come close to 50's first album, T.I. album is good but honestly i can't take to much of that down south stuff, so really the game needs a big boost in the arm. hopefully eminem and nas albums will bring it back but i hear their albums are a while off.

Kanye is an imposter

Cheeze, what are you saying? Please further your statement. I thought Kanye was your boy.

Cheeze, what are you saying? Please further your statement. I thought Kanye was your boy.

Kanye West will be one the Greatest Rappers of all time!! I think the songs through the wire is one inspirational song becuase I relate to his music.HOnestly, If he writes rap music like that. Then, its gonna be some nice lyrical content.

Jay-Z is in the Top 5 !!

Maybe you people dont like Jay-Z becuase you cant relate to him. And I guess thats why you aint fans. I can relate to the Big Pimpin LifeStyle and most of his music, and thats why I am a fan.

If you agree with me, Give me a HOLLA !!!!

I'm saying he is whack. If you ever thought h was my boy that means you misunderstood me.

P.S. I like his beats though (for the most part)

I'm saying he is whack. If you ever thought he was my boy that means you misunderstood me.

P.S. I like his beats though (for the most part)

To further my statement...I feel that he is trying to take over the game, and he doesn't even know how to rap, whats that gonna promote besides more whack rappers that hide behind good beats. What I mean by imposter is look how Tony 23 has claimed Kanye will be one of the greatest...and i've heard comparisons to Jay-Z...not that i'm a fan but I know what jay represents, and Kanye isnt on that level and if you cant rap at that age he never will be. His vere on Blueprint 2 was one of the worst ive ever heard on a Jay-Z album!

P.S. I may sound like a hater but it gets frustrating listening to some of these people "rap"

For once Cheeze and I agree.

For once Cheeze and I agree.

kayne aint never gonna be in the same class as jigga, the comparisons to jay are that he tries to flow like him, but that only proves that only jigga can flow jigga(compare that to people like nas or basically any qb rapper who all flow the same) but kayne aint bad, i rather listen to him flow then chingy,da band or any other shit that keeps getting spins on the radio or tv, thats all i was trying to say when i said kayne's album was alright, compared to the latest shit thats out its pretty good.

This be part of a hot verse kayne spat;if u into stuff that make u think think then i don't know y u dudes hatin on kayne
".......I know he hear me when my feet get weary
Cuz we’re thee almost nearly extinct
We rappers is role models, we rap we don’t think
I ain’t here to argue about his facial features
Or here to convert atheists into believers
Im just tryna say the way school need teachers
The Way Kathy Lee needed Regis...thats the way i need Jesus.
So here go my single dawg, radio needs this
They said they could rap about anything except for jesus
That means guns, sex, lies, videotape
But if I talk about God my record wont get played, huh?
Well if this take away from my spinz...which will prolly take away my endz..
Then i hope it take away from my sinz and bring the day that im dreamin bout...
Next time im in the club, everyybody screaming out...jesus walks"

i know his ablum aint all this hot, listen to this track and listen to the way he flows, i dont know y people sayin this man can't rap, cuz he aint as bad as people want to believe.

I have been a fan of Jay-z's since the beginning. His first album reasonable doubt is a classic. I can put that album in my cd player right now and ride all day with out skipping a song. I have all of his album and I guess you could call me a fanatic but I don't care. Jay-Z is the best rapper alive and for all you haters gather up.

Back to Shawn Carter the hustler, Jay-Z is dead!

The Black Album is a Classic

The Black Album is a Classic

Back to Shawn Carter the hustler, Jay-Z is dead!

Black Album is pretty decent!!!...

jay-z is wack what more can i say people how is this nigga considered tha greastest of all tyme if biggie and 2pac was alive this nigga would even be breathing on da mic only 1 album that i have listened 2 was ight and that was tha blue print i can give him respect on that but his other shit is not worthy of being tha greatest of all tyme everyone on roca fella records sucks to me except for kanye and killa cam (get em gul) tell jay z to holla back on that and everybody in tha south will kill that nigga in tha booth talk 2 outkast tha realest niggas out right now

jay-z is wack what more can i say people how is this nigga considered tha greastest of all tyme if biggie and 2pac was alive this nigga would even be breathing on da mic only 1 album that i have listened 2 was ight and that was tha blue print i can give him respect on that but his other shit is not worthy of being tha greatest of all tyme everyone on roca fella records sucks to me except for kanye and killa cam (get em gul) tell jay z to holla back on that and everybody in tha south will kill that nigga in tha booth talk 2 outkast tha realest niggas out right now

jay-z is wack what more can i say people how is this nigga considered tha greastest of all tyme if biggie and 2pac was alive this nigga would even be breathing on da mic only 1 album that i have listened 2 was ight and that was tha blue print i can give him respect on that but his other shit is not worthy of being tha greatest of all tyme everyone on roca fella records sucks to me except for kanye and killa cam (get em gul) tell jay z to holla back on that and everybody in tha south will kill that nigga in tha booth talk 2 outkast tha realest niggas out right now

jay-z is wack what more can i say people how is this nigga considered tha greastest of all tyme if biggie and 2pac was alive this nigga would even be breathing on da mic only 1 album that i have listened 2 was ight and that was tha blue print i can give him respect on that but his other shit is not worthy of being tha greatest of all tyme everyone on roca fella records sucks to me except for kanye and killa cam (get em gul) tell jay z to holla back on that and everybody in tha south will kill that nigga in tha booth talk 2 outkast tha realest niggas out right now

jay-z is wack what more can i say people how is this nigga considered tha greastest of all tyme if biggie and 2pac was alive this nigga would even be breathing on da mic only 1 album that i have listened 2 was ight and that was tha blue print i can give him respect on that but his other shit is not worthy of being tha greatest of all tyme everyone on roca fella records sucks to me except for kanye and killa cam (get em gul) tell jay z to holla back on that and everybody in tha south will kill that nigga in tha booth talk 2 outkast tha realest niggas out right now

jay-z is wack what more can i say people how is this nigga considered tha greastest of all tyme if biggie and 2pac was alive this nigga would even be breathing on da mic only 1 album that i have listened 2 was ight and that was tha blue print i can give him respect on that but his other shit is not worthy of being tha greatest of all tyme everyone on roca fella records sucks to me except for kanye and killa cam (get em gul) tell jay z to holla back on that and everybody in tha south will kill that nigga in tha booth talk 2 outkast tha realest niggas out right now

jay-z is wack what more can i say people how is this nigga considered tha greastest of all tyme if biggie and 2pac was alive this nigga would even be breathing on da mic only 1 album that i have listened 2 was ight and that was tha blue print i can give him respect on that but his other shit is not worthy of being tha greatest of all tyme everyone on roca fella records sucks to me except for kanye and killa cam (get em gul) tell jay z to holla back on that and everybody in tha south will kill that nigga in tha booth talk 2 outkast tha realest niggas out right now

jay-z is wack what more can i say people how is this nigga considered tha greastest of all tyme if biggie and 2pac was alive this nigga would even be breathing on da mic only 1 album that i have listened 2 was ight and that was tha blue print i can give him respect on that but his other shit is not worthy of being tha greatest of all tyme everyone on roca fella records sucks to me except for kanye and killa cam (get em gul) tell jay z to holla back on that and everybody in tha south will kill that nigga in tha booth talk 2 outkast tha realest niggas out right now

jay-z is wack what more can i say people how is this nigga considered tha greastest of all tyme if biggie and 2pac was alive this nigga would even be breathing on da mic only 1 album that i have listened 2 was ight and that was tha blue print i can give him respect on that but his other shit is not worthy of being tha greatest of all tyme everyone on roca fella records sucks to me except for kanye and killa cam (get em gul) tell jay z to holla back on that and everybody in tha south will kill that nigga in tha booth talk 2 outkast tha realest niggas out right now

jay-z is wack what more can i say people how is this nigga considered tha greastest of all tyme if biggie and 2pac was alive this nigga would even be breathing on da mic only 1 album that i have listened 2 was ight and that was tha blue print i can give him respect on that but his other shit is not worthy of being tha greatest of all tyme everyone on roca fella records sucks to me except for kanye and killa cam (get em gul) tell jay z to holla back on that and everybody in tha south will kill that nigga in tha booth talk 2 outkast tha realest niggas out right now

Lil Jon is terrible. When did artists become CLOWNS????? He's terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm here to tell you that I was wrong about Kanye. After hearing all the talk I had to break down and buy his CD today and the shit is for real. I never really heard'm much except on The Wire. He sounds a lot like Common and his words are amazing. Dude can rap and I was wrong about saying he couldn't. His CD is Fresh Air for the game and if ya'lls aint heard yet go yourself a copy. The New Young Gunz is straight too.

The Trade Man

I'm here to tell you that I was wrong about Kanye. After hearing all the talk I had to break down and buy his CD today and the shit is for real. I never really heard'm much except on The Wire. He sounds a lot like Common and his words are amazing. Dude can rap and I was wrong about saying he couldn't. His CD is Fresh Air for the game and if ya'lls aint heard yet go yourself a copy. The New Young Gunz is straight too.

The Trade Man

Kanye could of done without like 85 skits on his album. Some were funny, but most were pointless and the work out plan......what the fuck was that????? Over all it's pretty decent though.

The game is drying out fast. Beans where you at?!? Step up!

u say JAY-Z is garbage!!! Fuck u Pay Me!!!

Kanye album is real!!!!! (spaceship, through the wire) i am getting tired of slow jams but thats hot, he makes the cut for orginality and the songs keep my intrest.

lil jon is not an artist!!! he is crunk master!! lil jon can get a house full of nuns crunk. he is my #1 guest to any party!!! oooooookkkkkkkk!!!

super diss of the week: camron song: getem girl
(i keep computers puten, i keep boosters boostin)
for some reason i like the song, but the lyrics?
are u fuckin kiding

Well Folks I am here to contradict myself onece again, you know us Jay-Z fans. Earlier in the week about 2 post ago I ragged on the work out plan. Well last night, while burning one on the way to Myrtle Beach, I decided to throw the Kanye for another listen. I basically just wanted to here the Jay verse followed by the Talib Kweli and Common song. Well after awhile the bud started to kick in and I got to lazy through the songs, so I just left it playing. See I thought the workout plan was like a skit/song I didn't actually realize that there was more to it. Well I'm here to tell you that there is. THIS SONG IS FUCKING HOT, it sounds like Jay and Em had an orgy with sysco and Outkast. It probbably the hottest song on the whole album and anybobies album for that matter. Shit every song on the mother fucker is good. This is some classic shit!!!!! I am officially riding Kanye's Jock.

Hey there is good discussion going over on the YANKEES/redsox entrie post.

The Trade Man

He came in strong, he left strong. He fed the mainstream top 40 audience while constantly feeding the streets with new shit that could be picked up on bootleg mixtapes.The rap game's chess not checkers and he played it right. I gotta give props when they're due,cause.....I was just waitin for Jay to drop Black, to be the next BIG thing from B.K. to blow up the map.

ha! Classic? I can assure you, that statement is 100% false. The album is good but there is nothing classic about it.

P.s. If you are having trouble with the concept of classic, just tell me and i'd be glad to give you the short list of examples

another classic....period! by the way, anybody hear anything new from nas? I think this proves who was the better mc, and maybe Jay should get some kickback for helping Nas' dead career with the battle stunt...now we have biggie, tupac, Pun, and Jay-Z to miss!!!! Hey 50!!!! Eminem!!!

another classic....period! by the way, anybody hear anything new from nas? I think this proves who was the better mc, and maybe Jay should get some kickback for helping Nas' dead career with the battle stunt...now we have biggie, tupac, Pun, and Jay-Z to miss!!!! Hey 50!!!! Eminem!!!

Son,

Go ahead and give me your short list. It will probbably filled with nothing but Hip Hop. The thing about Kanye is he's so much more then hip hop, you can tell that just listening to the samples he uses. Dude you no shit about MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC. Your as watered down as most of the music out.....Go listen to Mase or G-Unit or some shit like that. You know some simple shit that's not to complex for ya. Just because it gets 5 mics don't mean it's classic, shit the dumbass source (which I enjoy reading) had to go back and reissue 5 mics to like most of the ones that actually recieved them, because of there ignorance. You want me to define Classic for ya......PINK FLOYD.....that's all I got to say. Go listen to a Floyd album get some musical sense and then you can be allowed to speak. Kanye's album is some intellectual shit and I havn't heard one album recently that can even come close to the production or lyrics on it.

Son,

There is more then a few classic albums if you actually listen to MUSIC.

Here's just some of my list

Pearl Jam-10-Yield
Oukast-Aquemini-Southernplayalistic
Jay-Z Reasonable Doubt-In My Life Time-HardKnock Life-The Blue Print-The Black Album-Unplugged
Nas-2 of them shits was doo, one was ah and the other was ILLMATIC

Dr.Dre-The Chronic-The Chronic 2001
Wu Tang-36 chambers-The W
Scarface-The Diary-The Last of Dying Breed-The Fix
Pink Floyd-any peice of music they've ever written
Eric B. and Rakim-Paid in Full
Easy E-The Eternal E
NWA-Straight outta Compton
Slick Rick-The Great Adventures of Slick Rick
Ghostface Killa-Iron Man
Nirvana-Nevermind
AZ (the most slept on rapper)-Peices of a Man-Doe or Die
50 cent-Guess who's back
Eminem-The Marshall Mathers LP
The Roots-Come Come Alive
The Almond Brothers
The Doors-The Soft Parade-Strange Days-Morrison Hotel-La Woman
The Beatles-Sgt.Peppers
B.I.G-Ready 2 die-Life After Death
2pac-Makaveli

This list could go on forever because there is so much classic music that has been written.

And whow r u to decide what the fuck is classic anyway....You think Fab is taking over and are still awaiting that Mase comeback.....R U from the streets or the Mall??????

My faught I forgot one of my all time favorites

Common-Like Water for Chocolate

Oh shit I didn't even realize my boy Cee-lo green's album comes out tommorrow.

Lets be honest here...There are some serious MCs out there but JiggaMan is by far my favourite. Kanye West is going to make a serious impact all over the hip hop scene. yea, G-Unit pumps out hits, but like some of yall said, Its simple...either club tracks or just some gangsta rap.'The Black Album' and Kanye's 'College Dropout' are hot...and thats real.

i think everyone is looking way too deep into kanye's MCing. sure he aint talkin about gunz and gangstaz... but he aint no where near the skills of mos or kweli, hes just on the roc and he produces otherwise he'd be just like any other mc's. he aint doing anything i've never heard before. yea he's a nice producer, but i realy think everyone should get off his nutz about his rhymes.

No wonder you put up with Jay-Z, look how low your standards are.

P.S. Dont disrespect your father.

Do What?????????????

good to see people opening their eyes to K.West cuz he deserves it, and i agree he aint at the level of Kweli and Mos Def but still is good on his own right, and as for the argument of classic cd's this is how my list goes:

Jay Z:
Reasonable Doubt
Volumes 1 and 3
The Blueprint

Notorious B.I.G:
Ready To Die
Life After Death

Tupac:
All Eyez on Me
Me Against The World
Makevelli

Nas:
Illmatic
Stillmatic(jay z bringing out the best in him)

N.W.A:
Greatest Hits(yeah i know it doesn't qualify as an ablum but i dont think they had one whole great album but the greatest hits cd is truly amazing)

Dr. Dre:
The Chronic
The Chronic 2001

Eminem:
The Marshall Mathers LP (his first ablum was cool to)

Talib Kweli:
Reflection Eternal (quality was good but not a classic)

Wu tang:
Enter the 36 chambers

Mos Def:
Black on Both Sides (the black starr ablum with kweli was amazing as well)

50 Cent:
Get Rich or Die Tryin
Power of the Dollar

those be the classics ive heard

Gay Z Is WAK he is just getting money off his roca fella crew and He Should just stop Biting on TUPAC. His Stupid Fat Lips. BIGGIE IS YOUR MAN BUT THEN U GOT THE NERVE TO SAY THAT U BIGGER THAN BIG. ONLY THING BIGGER THAN BIG ARE HIS FAT LIPS.

Yeah Reflection Eternal is classic

Pink Floyd? Pearl Jam? U dumb sh*t this is a hip hop site. If you goin that route why dont I just start listing Michael Jackson's every album. Anyway, "my name is..." had a list that was pretty much accurate, except u gotta recognize that DMX, Mase, Busta Rhymes, Snoop and Scarface all had classic debuts.

P.S. u cant leave out the Ruff Ryders compilation or No Way Out.

Let me let u other cats in on wat I think, I don't care about who has got beef with who, if it sounds good I'm listening to it..and all u people sayin that rappers need to tone it down n cut down on the guns n drugs..F@ck all dat, in my point of view..its not wat u say its how u say it, and how Jay makes his shit flow, and how he makes words that don't rhyme, rhyme, just amazes me..and HE WILL forever be an icon in the hip-hop industry.

Not only Hova though, cats like 50, kweli n mos def, got that too, and it was when 50 blew up wit "Get rich or die tryin" that i realized he had that...the "Beg for mercy" album just furthered that.

hopefully some of you will take time to read this..n realize to blow up like so many others u gotta have that talent...n keep it real...those of you who saw Redman on, BET's "How Im Living" know what Im talkin about. And this south side craze has gotta stop...this lil jon n his crew have gotta come out with betta rhymes and beats.
Like I said before, its not what you, its how you say it, and they aint got that yet. But don't get it twisted, Scarface and Stat Quo are the best out of the south yet.

Hopefully I have gotten my message across...because personally, I feel that these young cats comin out now aint got what rappers like Jay got..and the music im hearing nowadays, and no offence if you fall into this category.

Was the Black Album a mistake production wise? The Grey Album is much better. The Threat went from a good song on the black album to a Classic on the grey album.

can't believe i forgot doggystyle, dont know what i was thinking there, but anyway scarface and DMX also did have some classic shit as well so my list was a little incomplete but i guess i didn't want to make the list to long

can't believe i forgot doggystyle, dont know what i was thinking there, but anyway scarface and DMX also did have some classic shit as well so my list was a little incomplete but i guess i didn't want to make the list to long

Obviously the person who wrote this silly review does not listen 2 jay's lyrics in it's entirety. But most obvious is that the person who wrote it is not from the streets, never husltled, and does not have a clue about the streets. Jay-z is the most talented lyrical mc during this present era. It is so hard 2 belive that he doesnt write his lyrics. Also the cleverness of words he uses is on a fuckin college proffesor's level. His rhymes r so deep and seem so effortless. Even though im from CA Jay is my favorite and has been 4 a while. He said it best when he rapped "all the rappers b hatin of the tracks that i b makin, but the hustlersthey love it, just 2 c 1 of them make it" JAY-Z keep bangin, dont retire

omg ths is da bst fuckin album scince the marshall mathers lp

lol

Look people the only reason y'all dont recognize Jay-Z as G.O.A.T. is because he is alive. Honestly, Biggie, 2Pac, and any other rapper have nothing on Jay-Z's realness,passion,and ability. The man does not write songs.Period. He is the most gifted emcee in the business dead or alive and if people you look beyond the Hard Knock Life's and the Big Pimpin' songs, and listen to songs like My First Song, and Moment of Clarity on this Black Album, you would see where I'm coming from.I'll debate Jay is the best until I am PROVED wrong and there is no way to prove nothin.

Jay-Z is good. He was great at one time, and though he has a great legacy his skillz have fallen off. For example the second verse on Kanye West's album from Jay-Z was an old verse, and Jay hasn't spit that cleverly and fluently in years. Admit it, Jay-Z HAS NOT been in his prime for a couple of years now, the real reason Jay-Z is retiring is because he is smart enough to realize that. "Is he gone ever fall off???? Yes!!!"

P.S. That is why Jay-Z can never be on the level with BIG and Pac, they did not have the opportunity to fall off.

Kanye West is the ish end of story

Mase, with a classic?????????? Dude I get it now, I understand. It all makes sense. The reason that you've been on here raggin on jay is not because you don't like him (could care less if you do) but it's because your bitter and jelous. You wanted and probbably actually believed that mase was the next in line to BIG....but now that you have seen the game unfold. Seen Mase (the candy store mall rapper) become nothing, not even a factor, not even spoke of. It eats you up to see Jay in the THROWN sitting courtside at the allstar game watching HIS players J.Kidd & K.Mart, all while the badest bitch in the game (Beyoncee) his wearing his chain and performing the half time show. Admit it cheeze it kills you to see Jay with like 10 albums under his belt and running 1 of the hottest lables in music today. Admit it cheeze it tears you apart to see your boy mase become insignificant a nothing as if he never existed. The real question is HOW MANY LINES DID JAY WRITE FOR MASE????? You do know that he didn't write all of his own lines. He's no better then the Back Street Boys, just a different genre.

Truth be told that's what really tears you up and is the cause for every pathetic statement that you have posted.

Jay fell off ah???? You must have happened to miss the fact that after his 8th solo album he still had the #1 record.

Listen To Jay'Z's "People Talkin" Bonus Cut On The Unplugged Album, Nuff Said...

JAY FELL OFF????, Have U Heard Hovi Baby (ALL THREE VERSES??)2002????, Lyrical Exercise 2001, His Verse On Kweli's Get By?????, MEET THE PARENTS 2002, FOR GOD'S SAKE?????????????????, THOSE ARE THE SONGS THAT HAVE THE LYRICAL QUANTITY, And Forget About The Commercial Songs Look Up These Songs AND THEN TELL ME WHO'S ONE OF THE SICKEST???

As Far As The Biggie/Pac Thing....Jay's Last Line On Kanye's "Never Let Me Down" 2nd Verse.....NUFF FUKKING SAID!!!!

Let's Break Down A List Of Artists Who Imitate Jay, From Ad Libs To Straight Lyrics

They Either Say "YUP!" Or, "NO!", Or "SO!" Or "Uh Huh Uh" Or " The ...Fill In The Blank.. Is In The Building"...Or "CHEA!!

Joe Budden....Listen To The Truth..EXACTLY JAY
Foxy Brown....I Ain't Even Gonna Talk About Her
Grafh....All Of His Freestyles Have Jay's Influence
Reign Man....New Cat All Over The "CHEA!!"Thing
Natina..From R & B Group Blaque Listen To Her Verse On Their Song "I'm Good"
& I CAN gO oN & oN.....dON'T fRONT...nOW tHAT jAY'S gONE....wHOSE gONNA tAKE oVER aND sPIT eTHER????

who'ss gonna take over? for the take over?

no one.

because Nas doesn't have his ego coming out of his head like the "takeover". all they used to do was ball till they had triangles on the wall, just too ordinary to be the take over. how many dealers must i sit through to get a good price to hit 2. reign man can lick my balls

"till hell freezes over" -by some guy name eminem
Bootleg
lame ass white boy but he dirty, that songs got some of jays influence, hard knock beat to it.

i think jay z is the best mc there is and in fact he's my idol and rolemodel and then there's this thing with him and beyonce it's wonderful.

Trade Man thanks for explaining to me my problem...riiiight. If you aint notice I just keep it real, and I say what I feel. Has Jay fallen off? yes...I dont care what number he debuted at. Debuting at number one means nothing more than he strategized his release...u think he would dropped the same day as lets say a Norah Jones. Mase's first album was classic, like it or not. Jay-Z is not BIG, like it or not. Mase insignificant? obviously not true, he left 5 yrs ago, and u still remember him. Mo Money mo problems, been around the world, cant nobody hold me down, u know a hit when u hear it. But besides that yeah Jay-Z does his thing, but im not a dick ryder like you, he aint my Pope John Paul, I aint followin him to all star games, and watchin his every move with Beyonce, i listin to music, it stops there...unlike you i got my own life...

Your right he didn't drop the same day as norah jones, but if I recall didn't 50 put an album out the same day. Look you just named is big 3 hits that made their way through every elementry school in america. You know I almost want to quit debating with you because a person that puts mase at the top of his list is obviously only into bubble gum hip hop. Oh yeah and like I said before I am a dick rider. I ride Jay's, C.Webbs, and the Minnesota Vikings all day long baby boy. I'm also ROMAN CATHOLIC so theirs only 1 john paul, but in terms of music I follow JIGGA. Yeah you must have a hell of a life, considering you to seem to scout Jay's every move and you don't even like the mother fucker.
You know it's funny you claim to know all this shit about hip hop...I don't know maybe it's because your from NY or Black or some shit like that, but you don't even have enough intilect to respect Kanye...who proves that the best flow is inteligence.

By the way

I"M RICK JAMES BITCH!!!!!!!!!!

By the way

I"M RICK JAMES BITCH!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yeah and all this talk about all these artist and I havn't heard one mention of AZ. His song Last days on peices of a man is one of the deepest songs that has ever been written in the game. He's only put out one shitty album (9 lives) but yet he never gets the credit he deserves...people better open their fuckin ears. Actually I can see it now...he'll put another album...get little john or somebody like that to make him a hit and then every so called rap fan will have claimed to have loved him since Doe or Die...just like everyone with Jay after he put out Vol.2 and BIG after he died.

Well since you admit you ride dick, we finally agree on something...so yes you are right our debates are over...how can one argue with a man who rides another mans dick? Obviously you are going to continue to ride jay-Z's dick no matter what I say, so on that note, the debate is over.

P.S. Sorry if I interrupted your ride...enjoy

Well since you admit you ride dick, we finally agree on something...so yes you are right our debates are over...how can one argue with a man who rides another mans dick? Obviously you are going to continue to ride jay-Z's dick no matter what I say, so on that note, the debate is over.

P.S. Sorry if I interrupted your ride...enjoy

Well since you admit you ride dick, we finally agree on something...so yes you are right our debates are over...how can one argue with a man who rides another mans dick? Obviously you are going to continue to ride jay-Z's dick no matter what I say, so on that note, the debate is over.

P.S. Sorry if I interrupted your ride...enjoy

Cool Deal!!!! Hey let me know how you feel about AZ. Nobody ever comments on him...I mean have you forgotten about the man or what.

kayne is a producer, so is any man crossing the street. He doesnt sing, his rap is him speaking, he tries to hard to be unique, not a full package, rockafella sunked to a new level, thas how they get down.

Minithin start to actually think about what your saying. Kanye may be the most respected Artist in music right now...everybody from Common, Eminem to even John mayer is on his jock. This dude writes with inteligence. Maybe you should go back and replay that album and maybe you can learn something.

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Back to Shawn Carter the hustler, Jay-Z is dead.

Back to Shawn Carter the hustler, Jay-Z is dead.

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Back to Shawn Carter the hustler, Jay-Z is dead.

i love jay and my best song is Dec4

its a pity he had to retire so soon

To all Jay Z haters don't you just love the fact while your wasting all your time trashin' him....he's laughing ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK! I mean they talked about Jesus on the cross so you talking bad about Jay ain't nothing new! And it DAMN sure ain't gonna stop his ca$h flow..... Shame on it all! Can we ever stop being jealous of people who have more than us? Oh yeah about Kayne ......If you think that he is talking on his album instead of rapping...... maybe it is because b4 the album dropped he discussed that some of the album is SPOKEN WORD!!! Damn can some of you do your homework before you express your self in public! Oh yeah I LOVE THE BLACK ALBUM!

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It's been a long time...I shouldn't a left you...

Good to see Trades and Cheeze still at eachother's throats. Y'all need to just slow down. You got different oppinions, big deal. Be open to other points of view and you might learn somethin.

Oh, I need to get in on this list shxt.

Top Hip Hop lps

1 Nation of Millions... PE
2 Raising Hell Run DMC
3 Straight Outta Compton NWA
4 Death Certificate Ice Cube
5 Illmatic Nas
6 Cuban Linx... Raekwon
7 The Chronic Dre
8 Paid in Full Eric B & Rakim
9 Amerikkka's Most... Ice Cube
10 Doggystyle Snoop
11 Midnight Marauders Tribe
12 Paul's Boutique Beatsie Boys (don't front...one of Q-tip's favs.)
13 36 Chambers Wu
14 Supreme Clientel Ghostface
15 Ready to Die BIG
16 Reasonable Doubt Jay-Z
17 No One Can Do it... D.O.C.
18 Great Adventures Slick Rick
19 Follow the Leader Eric B & Rakim
20 Me Against the World 2 Pac
21 Criminal Minded BDP
22 Wolf in Sheep's Clothing Black Sheep
23 ATLiens Outkast
24 Strictly Business EPMD
25 Radio LL Cool J
26 Low End Theory Tribe
27 Cypress Hill
28 3 Feet High n Rising De La Soul
29 Long Live The Kane BDK
30 Road to the Riches Kool G Rap

Those are Classics. I could prolly change the order up a little, depending on my mood.

Jay doesn't have that many classics (even though he's my favorite rapper), neither does Eminem. Ma$e has always been sick to me...(Niggaz Done Started Somethin, Take What's Yours..his hard shxt) but I wish he stuck with his Children of Da Corn style...He coulda been one of the true greats. Nas has one real classic (God's Son and Stillmatic could be combined minus the junk to make one banger)...other than that, there's a lot of great albums I left out, but these are my favorites.

I apologize for the length, but I had lot's to say after months of not bein here.

I'll save my top rock list for later...no, I'm serious.

Mic,

Love the list...would've love to have seen scarface and the ghetto boys on there, but there's so much great music sometimes we tend to forget. I'm just glad to see such a long list considering that there is so much great music that has been made. The great things about classics are that what is classic to you may not be classic to everyone else...It's all about what you feel...that's what music is all about.

You know I don't know why this site doesn't change this post from the Black Album review to an overall hip hop discussion post...I mean for christ sakes the Black Album was dropped in Nov.

Would love to see that rock list

Trades

Mic,

Love the list...would've love to have seen scarface and the ghetto boys on there, but there's so much great music sometimes we tend to forget. I'm just glad to see such a long list considering that there is so much great music that has been made. The great things about classics are that what is classic to you may not be classic to everyone else...It's all about what you feel...that's what music is all about.

You know I don't know why this site doesn't change this post from the Black Album review to an overall hip hop discussion post...I mean for christ sakes the Black Album was dropped in Nov.

Would love to see that rock list

Trades

Thanx Trades,

Aight, here's my top 30 Rock list, roughly anyway...

Oh and everybody else, just scroll past if you're not interested...I don't need to hear I'm pollutin the board.

1 Abbey Road/Revolver - the Beatles...can't decide
2 Are You Experienced - Jimi Hendrix....legend
3 IV - Led Zeppelin
4 (What's the Story) Morning Glory? - Oasis
5 The Beatles (aka the White Album) - The Beatles....just ask Danger Mouse
6 Sticky Fingers - The Rolling Stones
7 Defintiely Maybe - Oasis
8 Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd...I think it's better than Dark Side... or The Wall
9 London Calling - The Clash
10 Electric Warrior - T-Rex...this shxt is funky too
11 Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan...Hendrix's favorite artist
12 Blood Sugar Sex Magik - Red Hot Chili Peppers...don't sleep
13 Appetite For Destruction - Guns N Roses
14 Master of Puppets - Metallica...the arrangements are as complex as classical music
15 Physical Graffiti - Led Zeppelin
16 Never Mind The Bollocks - The Sex Pistols
17 Ziggy Stardust... - David Bowie
18 The Joshua Tree - U2
19 Sign of the Times - Prince...yes this is rock too
20 Check Your Head - Beastie Boys...so is this
21 (1st album)-The Velvet underground...the most influential band most people have never heard of
22 Nevermind - Nirvana
23 By the Way - Red Hot Chili Peppers
24 Siamese Dream - Smashing Pumpkins
25 All Things Must Pass - George Harrison...ex Beatles Guitarist's first- a Q-Tip favorite
26 Ten - Pearl Jam
27 Back In Black - ACDC...ask KRS-one
28 Who's Next - The Who
29 Surfer Rosa - The Pixies
30 Darkness on the Edge of Town - Bruce Springsteen/ The Bends - Radiohead

There's plenty more...but I won't go nuts here.

ps: I got so much time to kill at work...Peace

mic,

Love the list...I agree Wish you were here is amazing "Welcome to the Machine" is one of my favorites by them. Hey the division bell is great too and if you really like floyd you should check out some of their earlier work...like Obscurd by Clouds and Medal. Medal's great it's got probbably one of the greatest pieces of work ever on it "Echoes" it's like 26 mins long and you wish it just kept going. I'm a big Pearl Jam fan as well, if you didn't already know by now...yields one of my favorites by them. Don't forget the Doors and G&R either.

These lists could keep going on forever and ever...isn't it great.

Not to change the subject...oh well fuck it. Lil Flip's new LP dropped today and I can't wait to get my hands on it. Not a huge southern hip hop fan other then face and kast but, I like this guy...he's smooth and raw all at the same time. I believe were going to see great things from him to come.

Peace Mic and if your bored give me a holla...I usually try and check this site at least once a day. It usually makes for some good written conversation...shit I even enjoy debating with cheeze...I think him and I were born to heckel each other...it's all in good fun and great debate...nobodies right or wrong. It's all politics baby!

Peace once again

Trade Man

Sup Trades,

Ya, I'm into the Floyd...Right back to Pipers at the Gates...Momentary Lapse of Reason is a good one too...even though Roger Waters was gone already (It was better than Roger's solo shxt anyways).

Lil Flip is cool...I've only peeped a few of his songs. Game Over's alright...Like a Pimp was knockin. It's a double lp too right? Ya man, I'm not crazy into Southern rap though...GB, Kast, Young Bleed, UGK and a few others are tight. But I don't fukk with Lil Jon, Ying Yang, CM, Master P etc.

You can drop an email too man...mickill5@hotmail.com if you wanna talk music. I don't wanna bore these cats lol. Otherwise I'll pop in tommorow anywayz.

-1 mic

Damn Young Bleed...I didn't think anybody else even knew about him. My Own is a great CD...I usually buy a copy every summer cause somehow I loose it between seasons...you know how that goes.

Trades,

Even better is My Balls and My Word...don't get swayed by the title which is kinda played. Shxt is straight bangers end to end. And Cheeze might even like him cos he