Eminem's Latest Salvo

January 22, 2004

Eminem's Latest Salvo

Umm, is it just me or are Eminem's dis records getting boring? You can download his newest anti-source rant here and judge for yourself:

Eminem Freestyle - from the new "Green Lantern Invasion Part 3"

There was a time when I would have been excited to hear this, but he has done so many of these tracks now (with similar beats/flows/jokes) that this one doesn't make much of an impression on me.

Posted by jsmooth995 at January 22, 2004 12:00 AM

Comments

this is just not inspired. there ain't a damn thing to say about it, except that i hope he hasn't fallen off.

Posted by: gsqual at January 22, 2004 12:13 AM

While deffinitely not going to be a favorite on my list of Eminem, I liked most of it. I do wonder what he plans to make another album about.

Posted by: Stevie at January 22, 2004 02:05 AM

The Eminem-Source thing is just getting tedious. Who cares any more? Anyone I respect who still reads the Source does so solely because it's for their job marketing corporate gangsta rap to middle-class suburban teenagers.

Posted by: ian at January 22, 2004 02:37 AM

Sorry, the best flow in the game hasn't quite worn thin for me yet. Especially enjoyed the part where he switched it to slang.

Sayin Em's freestyles are boring are like saying watching Jordan jumping from the freethrow line is boring. If it is, its only because you take it for granted and now you want to see him do a 360 from the line... I'd love to see Em take it to another level, develop more of social and political consciousness in his songs, but he still shines like a diamond in relatively dull rap game right now. God love people like Em and Outkast, the game needs em.

Posted by: CP at January 22, 2004 09:52 AM

His whole 'whoah oh-ho-no hello-oh' simple wordplay gets pretty monotonous...Bottom line, his entire flow is just repetitious these days. On this track in particular, his rhyme-scheme is a little tighter, but his overall content is not impressive at all. It's not even a little funny. He actually used to make the effort to rhyme more than just the last two syllables of every line with the next one. He's doin what Jigga started doin three albums ago; He's tryna get his feelings across, while allowing his skills to suffer. Why do rappers gotta become so lazy after a while? Please, all you stans out there, just accept it as truth. He won't be your last favorite pop idol anyways...

Posted by: mic at January 22, 2004 10:58 AM

By the way, has anybody else heard that Benzino has actually left the Source?

Posted by: mic at January 22, 2004 11:25 AM

Jay, you've gotten spoiled by the flow. That diss track was incredible, even though we've heard it all before.

Posted by: Madison at January 22, 2004 12:46 PM

mic - you hit it for me: i didn't laugh once. eminem, in battle mode, does not generally fail to make me laugh, either because what he's saying is hilarious, or the way he's saying it makes me go "oh shit," usually both. i don't think i'm taking anything for granted, and i don't expect anything more than the excellence he's capable of, and usually provides.

Posted by: gsquail at January 22, 2004 01:08 PM

...and the etch-a-sketch beat sure as shit isn't helping.

Posted by: gsquail at January 22, 2004 01:09 PM

"Please, all you stans out there, just accept it as truth."

You want to discredit your opinion before someone takes a moment to consider it? You did it with this, as countless people do when they make stupid (and false) generalizations about large groups of people.

Eminem is an immensely popular artist with an incredibly diverse (I don't mean racially in this case, but that as well) fan base.

I don't resent being called a "Stan", as you did in your post, as much as I feel that making such an insinuation shows the lack of depth of your understanding of Eminem and his appeal.

Next your going to tell me I just like him because he's white.

Also, to consider the content of your message (which is again, hard to do given your stupid half-witted jab at Em fans), comparing Jay-z and Eminem is stupid.

Jay dumbed down for audiences to double his dollars, as he would say.

*IF* Eminem is simplifying his flow or speaking straighter, it makes a LOT more sense that he is doing out of a desire to be better understood on issues he feels strongly about. Unless you think Em is "selling out" (as Jay admits he did) after being arguably the biggest name in rap.

Which again, would be a stupid insinuation.

again, IF Em is simplifying shit, he's doing it for the MESSAGE, not the MONEY, and while you can argue the merits of selling out (and giving back to the community, etc., which Jay says), I find it hard to reprimand an artist, especially a RAPPER, for putting the message ahead of the flow.

It would be awesome if Em continued on this track of "simplification" and started speaking more on grand political and social issues, as I alluded to in the prior post, though you would probably say he is being "lazy" for putting the message ahead of the complication of flow (which can be fun and very enjoyable listen to, but it IS mental masturbation.)

anyway, aint no point in going on, pop in your favorite fuck bitches, kill snitches, pop crys and MAKE DAT MONEY mindless rapper who is topping the charts today and ZONE OUT, thinking about them stupid suburban Stans.

FROM THE WINDOOOOOOOOOOOOOW TO THE WALLLLLL

Posted by: CP at January 22, 2004 01:18 PM

CP, are you Paul Rosenberg or somebody? Cos from the bitterness I sensed in your seemingly unconscionable need to defend Em's every single half-assed attempt at spittin a verse, I'd swear you were on his payroll.

Dude, cry me a river. I don't even dislike Em. I've been a fan for as long as you've been a stan (ha). Listen, why are you insinuating that I think that every fan of Eminem's is an obsessed moron? The song 'Stan' wasn't about ALL his fans, was it? So why would you think that my comment was any less valid, or specific, for that matter? By the way, I'm sorry if you happen to fit the profile yourself.

In some peoples' minds Marshall can do no wrong whatsoever. There is a huge contrast in the effort he put into his earlier work compared with what he produces today. He's been resting on his laurels. His hunger has waned. And I DO believe that in this regard, my juxtaposing of Slim and Jay-z was attested. Jay-z did not just dumb down for his audience...he made less of an effort with his rhymes. But I'm guessing you have no clue what I'm talkin about.

And what issues do you really think he feels so strongly about? What serious issue has he worked diligently to bring to light? Freedom of speach???? Rappers have been doin that since the 80's. I give him credit for what he does do well, but he's no revolutionary. He just whines like a child about his wife, his mom, his detractors, politicians, and pop acts. He gets some petty gun charge, and out of nowhere starts actin' like there's so much drama goin on in his life. It's pretty gay, actually. He wants to be more of a thug, and less of a clown. Which brings me to another point; Where has this guys' sense of humor gone????

Finally, to answer your question, yes- I think Em is "sellin out". He's been doin so for quite some time. The term "sellout" doesn't only target those who strive for mass appeal for monetary gain. I'm more inclined to reference the lengths he goes to to be accepted by his peers in the industry, like 50. Em's a sellout cos he isn't being true to himself. He isn't a tough guy. He has off-duty cops for security, he preys on the weak (Pop groups, Ja, Benzino, women) and he tries too hard to be hard- knowing he's got no cred in doing so. Check out his verses on 'Patiently Waitin' with 50...the guy talks all gully but he's spittin ABOUT 50. That's straight dick-ridin. Em, take that do-rag off, and cover up you chicken chest while you're at it!

Anyways, in the future try not to get your panties in a bunch over a few deliberately vague comments.

Thanks for your insight(Stanley)-mic

Posted by: mic at January 22, 2004 04:56 PM

And by the way, an artists' true talent lies in his ability to convey his thoughts without sacrificing content OR appeal. I never said his flow was more important than his message. He should be able to sustain a better balance of the two, considering his ability to do so in the past.

Posted by: mic at January 22, 2004 05:02 PM

"half-assed attempt at spittin a verse" WOW, there is so much garbage out right now, we should be celebrating the fact that he has'nt retired, not tearing him down. Honestly,put the radio on for 30 minutes, then play that freestyle again.

Posted by: SMUTPEDDLAR at January 22, 2004 08:03 PM

mic i do agree with you about the tough guy shit, not working, he would be better suited to just show he's a better mc.

Posted by: SMUTPEDDLAR at January 22, 2004 08:13 PM

Smutpeddlar, for Em, those are complete throwaway rhymes. Dude is getting lazy, cos nobody's pointing it out for him. It happens to the best of them. Look at how over the years LL Cool J, Big Daddy Kane, or Snoop started gettin sloppy and less inspired with their shit. That's cos they achieved what they needed to, and didn't have that hunger anymore. But why did somebody like Kool G Rap steadily improve over the years? Cos he never attained great success, and therefore stayed hungry.

Posted by: mic at January 22, 2004 09:39 PM

this is the shittttt, I haven't heard anyone doing better ,, so hush

Posted by: 5 mics at February 4, 2004 01:41 AM

this is the shittttt, I haven't heard anyone doing better ,, so hush

Posted by: 5 mics at February 4, 2004 01:41 AM

I dont think that any of you people have a right to say anything bad about Eminem. I don't see any of you people doing anything important with your lives. Just leave the guy alone. Most people are interested in what he has to say about his life, and i personally think that its real funny when he rants on other people. Eminem has way more fans than you losers trying to make something of your lives...

Posted by: MarshallRox at April 7, 2004 04:00 PM

P.S. mic, your an ass, your saying how you dont dislike eminem and how you were a fan for so long... but then you go on about 3 pages namin off everything thats wrong wit him. and then CP is tryin to say that eminems not all that bad, and then your sayin how she shouldnt get all up-tight about your couple of comments. Just to remind you there MIC, your the one who has the most comments on the page. So how about you dont get your panties all up in a bunch, and try to grow up and accept that everyone else loves em except for you! EVERYONE HATES YOU

Posted by: MarshallRox at April 7, 2004 04:17 PM

"...grow up and accept that everyone else loves em except for you! EVERYONE HATES YOU"

Dammm...you're a fucking loser dude. Are you even male? haha
By the way, aren't your jaws gettin sore from walkin around with Em's miniature dick in your throat all day.

Posted by: mic at April 7, 2004 05:23 PM

MarshallRox, you seem quite gay. Were you crying when you posted your comments?

Posted by: x at April 7, 2004 08:35 PM

It's ironic: this thread started out about Em's dis records getting stale... and look what has happened to the thread itself!

Eminem strikes me as one of those dudes who, if you battle with him, he will not stop until HE feels it is over. I chalk this up to having to prove himself constantly to his peers when he was a poor white kid growing up in a predominantly black neighborhood. Look at Howard Stern-- he won't leave his 'enemies' alone, even after he beats them in the ratings. He had the same kind of upbringing.

Once he's out of breath, Em will switch his focus and also his style. Don't write him off yet-- this is just one phase. Eventually, new jacks are going to start coming after him. I think Slug from Atmosphere might be the one to topple Eminem's crown.

Then we'll see if Slim Shady has what it takes. I've already heard rumors that Slug once beat Em in a battle-- is this true? if so, the future of hip-hop is going to be interesting indeed.

Of course, I could be wrong...

Posted by: Sex at April 7, 2004 09:02 PM

lol just to let you kno there mic im a girl, and i was joking around. i thought you stopped commin back to this page so im just screwin around... ahaha this is so fucked up. i dont even listen to eminem. anyways i just thought that was kinda funny...

Posted by: MarshallRox at April 8, 2004 02:52 PM

P.S. sarry if i got 'your panties up in a bunch' lol

Posted by: MarshallRox at April 8, 2004 02:53 PM

May I have your attention please
May I have your attention please

will the real slim shady please shut up
i repeat, will the real slim shady please shut up
we're gonna have a problem here

y'all act like you've never heard a white person before
his rhymes are a bore punkbitch tryin' to be hardcore
marshall mathers back worse than before makin' us snore,
whinin' in the microphone
it's return of the... oh wait, you're a fool, you didn't
pay money for this cd did you?
and dr dre did everything you idiot
without dre's beats you're as good as dead

the world's had enough of eminem
diggy diggy, even his girlfriend's cheatin' on him
look at him walkin' around livin' off dre,
actin' so cool. But he's really kind of weak though
little twit blasts me on his new cd
why? because i turned him down for a date *tee hee*
as for the question of who came first
was it carson daly or was it fred durst
i'm sorry slim but this is gonna hurt
they both came closer than you ever will, jerk

your song is on my nerves
your song is on my nerves
you're kinda lucky cuz you got more fame than you deserve
that is the message that i deliver to little kids
that you become famous and never know what talent is
of course they're gonna like you
of course they do
you're like a cartoon version of rick schroder on silver spoons
you ain't nuthin' but a product, packaged to be bought up
you know a year from now you won't be thought of
so you write about dead animals and cannibals and some day
you'll stop dating dogs and date higher mammals
and there's a million women just like me
that think like me, that all can see
that slim shady is just a boy dealing with puberty
so if you agree, scream loudly with me

you're slim shady yes you're the real shady
you sound like peter brady you get quite irritating
so won't the real slim shady please shut up
please shut up please shut up

Posted by: r at April 8, 2004 03:21 PM

Hitler was a genius at making speeches. You can be a pile of crap and
still be really really good at something. Doesn't mean a thing.

Posted by: 7121 at April 8, 2004 03:27 PM

I am 17 years old, an avid reader of alternet, and curious about ways
to fix this screwed up world.

Oh, and I love Eminem.

Granted there are many teenage girls and boys that I know, both black
and white, that hate him but many of my friends really do love him
and have his cds (or at least burned copies) and have seen 8 Mile.

And we're not at all girlfriend-beating, gay-bashing, drug-consuming
nazis. Many of us love him just as much as our local hip-hop, rock,
punk, whatever musicians that "fight for a cause."

But I sound half-way smart. Why do I love Eminem?

Because I want to. He is talented, and there is no point in trying to
resist the hypnotic appeal of his music. Plus, he's damn hot.

But back to the point. Am I being brainwashed?

Possibly, but not anymore than any other form of media. I think most
covers of Rolling Stone objectifying women (see Christina Aguilera)
are more sexist, and most elementary school playgrounds with unaware
boys throwing around the word "faggot" are more effective to
propagating subliminal homophobia.

He is not Hitler, mobilizing a nation in hate. He is expressing
himself and mirroring his particular view of society. It's a freedom
of speech thing, and I know that you value freedom of speech. Does
everyone who wants to expose the ills of society turn to journalism
or documentaries? Of course not! There are millions of ways to
express oneself, be it music, art, literature, or anything else. And
it is this diversity that makes life interesting.

I don't agree with Eminem, but I don't have to to love his music. If
you can't understand that, then apparently you don't understand a
large chunk of smart, informed, active, teenagers and future leaders.
If that makes you sad, I'm sorry. Go have some of your own kids and
raise them by hiding from them what you think they'll be too stupid
to understand and don't trust them to appreciate.

Posted by: SmEr at April 8, 2004 03:57 PM

hey i dont even know why you bunch of punks are dissing this guy,ok so he's a rapper an he says alot of shit that can offend people, an ok so he's white but honestly i don't agree with everythink he says but the guy can throw a verse together, do you honestly think a guy like Jay Z would let someone produce a record on his album,admit it the guys a genius..but damn who made up the rap about him coz its iiiiiiiiillllllllll!!!! ha ha

Posted by: honey b at April 9, 2004 03:06 PM

honey b, your a freak.

Posted by: ora at April 10, 2004 09:45 AM

'...rapper an he says alot of shit that can offend people, an ok so he's white but honestly...'

are you saying being white is bad thing. shut up you racist.

Posted by: Rick at April 10, 2004 03:18 PM

I can't wait to see if Em will respond to Camron dissin him and callin him a bitch on Kay Slay's show. Dude always beefs with easy targets, like JD, Ja, every pop star and boy band etc. This one hits close to home tho, cos if Dipset is cool with Game, and Game is in G-Unit...what's Em gonna do, hide behind 50 still?

Posted by: mic at May 28, 2004 01:21 PM

If someone that could rap would actually go against him then it would be more interesting. The fact is that not to many rappers are on his level. Its basicly Murder on wax when these no rhyme talent rappers try and boost there careers.
Hi rhyming ability is sick and still keeps me interested in listening to what he puts out.

Posted by: JB at June 25, 2004 02:16 PM

Eminem doesnt beef with easy targets, easy targets beef with eminem to try and boost their careers. Like camron and Benzino, they are sorry ass rappers, No complexity in there rhyming, you can almost predict what words they are going to rhyme with, every other bar. They lack creativty in the way they put words together thats why they suck. when em makes comments about Moriah, and Britney he isnt trying to beef he is just making fun of these people. Eminem really hasnt picked a beef with too many rappers. These rappers are trying to beef with him to boost their careers. Em will kill camron, just as he did any other rappers already that tried to step up to the plate.

You propably wont see to many good rappers go against eminem in a battle, which is why you always hear of beefs from Camron, or Benzino, or Canibus and etc. Nobodies..

Except Ja Rule, but that was becuase there was already running beef going on because of who eminem signed. and it just happens that Ja Rule sucks anyway or isnt known for his rapping ability he is known for his ability to get females singing hooks on his songs to make hits.

Another reason why you will most likely not see any tight rappers battling eminem is because All the tight rappers, dont need to try and take shots at eminem because they have a rap career which is doing good, plus most of all the good rappers respect eminem as a MC.

For me personally after pac left the rap game, along with biggie, it seemed to me that most of all the rappers are always talking about the same shit, like I got money, I got bitches, lets get fucked up, I got 20 inch rims, look how my ice bling blings , and thats another thing I respect em for is that his content hardly every includes, look how tight I am because I have money, that shit gets old at least his content is different than 90 % of what is out there.

And if alot of his content is about beefing with rappers then don't dog out eminem, dog out the rappers picking the beef for no reason. Like camron is beefing because he thinks that in d12's 40oz video, that they were making fun of his video get em girl. Watch the videos there is nothing in those two videos that have anything to do with each other. Camron is lame and trying to boost his lame ass career.

Posted by: JB at June 25, 2004 02:41 PM

Look dont get me wrong, Im black and I love me some eminem. Yes he is a good rapper. But this whole race thing is a result of the way things were in the past.

So now when we have a great rapper he wont get respect because he's white. In reality its not because he's white its because of what has happend in the past.

It's gonna be an uphill battle but as you can see Black people really dont care because if they did he wouldve been boycotted and all over the news. Nd the NAACP wouldve been all up in his ass.

There are a lot of talented white singers that do R&B and Rap and Jazz. But dont get the respect they deserve because of the Past.

But overall Im a black female I dont care or am not offended by what eminem said. Honestly I am more offended by Black men at this point in time.

P.S. Is BENZINO even BLACK?

Posted by: aoi-aoi-umi at June 25, 2004 06:03 PM

Canibus a nobody... maybe in terms of popularity campared to Eminem, but, as far as rhyming skills go, listing Canibus in the same sentence as Cam'ron, Benzino, Jermaine Dupri, etc... is just rediculous.

Slug can't get with Canibus either, and to say Slug makes the future of hip-hop interesting.. uh-uh.

Anyway, Eminem is only ONE of the best rappers out there. He is NOT 'THE' best. He borrows from other living (and dead) rappers out there and has even said it in some songs/freestyles he's done that he's a mix of him, this, or that and if you listen to who his favorites are.

His topics are not about $$$$ and such but, he calls women bitches, namely his mother and wife. He talks about murder, drugs, and even "faggots" too. But, the fact he doesn't talk about platinum doesn't make him any better than someone who does. His messages are just as bad as theirs when it comes down to it. He might be your FAVORITE rapper, but, don't ignore the facts and make him into hip-hop's savior, because he isn't.

Oh and to comment on the topic at hand, yes, he's fallen off.

Posted by: MM at July 24, 2004 06:39 PM

Posted by: am at July 26, 2004 12:11 AM

you know eminem will probably never see this site, so why are you trying to diss him?
are you doing it for yourself?
I bet that Marshall couldn't care less about what you think. beside's he makes more than you probably ever will

Posted by: am at July 26, 2004 12:13 AM

all of you guys are talking shit about eminem because he is hot and you are just computer nerds talking bad about him. Eminem is so damn hot. haven't you guys realized yet that he doesn't fucking care what people say about him? Most people in the world love him and think he's hot but only the losers who are jealous of him talk shit. He is talented. Sorry if you don't like eminem, but keep it to yourself so the rest of us don't have to listen to you. eminem's hot, you're just an asshole

Posted by: fa at July 28, 2004 06:04 PM

Who cares all this talent stuff hes sexy as all get out and oh yeah im a black women and i think this i couldent care less about his rapping skills its all about his looks that make you stop and take a deep breath and wonder if your heart will ever beat again, just flipping through the channels and seeing a blip of him makes me hot!!!!!

Posted by: Adrienne at August 22, 2004 01:32 AM

hey i got a good point to get across, IF MARSHALL DOESNT CARE YOU SHOULDNT EITHER...GET A LIFE

Posted by: wasted at August 26, 2004 01:03 PM

Hey People
You GUYS are CRAZY
Eminem's songs u can't ever get bored of them
Unless you are a Weirdo
Man His songs change you and make u better
Believe me , He is the man
and he is da Killa
If you think you can do better then HIM
why don't you make ur records and then u can tell people what ever you want

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Posted by: Sachdev Ulka at October 1, 2004 08:44 AM

MAN U GUYS ARE STUPID
y even argue
eminem is ONLY THE BADEST EVER
AND IF U DONT HIM U CAN GO SHOVE UR HEAD UP UR ASS
COZ NO1 CARES
I STILL LUV EMINEM
ANDI RECKON SUM GUYS DONT LYK HIM COZ THEY NO HES HOT AND CHICKZ LYK HIM
SO GO 2 HELL
MARSHALL IS THE BEST
AND HIS MUSIC IS BANGIN AND WILL KEEP ON BANGIN

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Posted by: mel at October 6, 2004 02:01 AM

Hay people EMINEM, is the illest MC out there. Yes there are alot of ppl dat will disagree, because they don't see the real side to his raps. They Just see the, Bitch, Faggot, Motherfucker, stuff of him. U gotta listen to his rap and rhymes, because there is a lot of smart stuff in them, that no one else has produced yet.

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