>I know just what you mean, I have mutual friends with Kim and I've always had the impression she was cool, so I can't figure how they are getting her and everyone else there to drink the kool aid?

I've heard from a couple different "sources" (pardon the pun), both fairly close to Ray & Dave in different capacities that: 1) As much as he is mocked in the rest of the hip hop world not connected to The Soucre, Benzino in person can actually be a very charismatic and persuasive individual which is how he's gotten everyone over there to "drink the kool aid " and 2) ?llove is right about Dave, he's been trying to take steps to get Ray out of the picture wrt the magazine. Club ZNO in Miami was part of that plan but it's recent shut-down scuttled that idea.

I hope something changes soon because as mcuh as they have f-cked up the magazine in the last few years, with the right steps I think it could still be saved and turned back into the respected magazine it began as.

>I know just what you mean, I have mutual friends with Kim and I've always had the impression she was cool, so I can't figure how they are getting her and everyone else there to drink the kool aid?

I've heard from a couple different "sources" (pardon the pun), both fairly close to Ray & Dave in different capacities that: 1) As much as he is mocked in the rest of the hip hop world not connected to The Soucre, Benzino in person can actually be a very charismatic and persuasive individual which is how he's gotten everyone over there to "drink the kool aid " and 2) ?llove is right about Dave, he's been trying to take steps to get Ray out of the picture wrt the magazine. Club ZNO in Miami was part of that plan but it's recent shut-down scuttled that idea.

I hope something changes soon because as mcuh as they have f-cked up the magazine in the last few years, with the right steps I think it could still be saved and turned back into the respected magazine it began as.

this is so bizarre, cuz i'm in france right and i went to see ?uestlove dj the other night with ali muhammad and dave mays was there. i didn't see jon though.

yeah man, kim is cool. i did some work with her when she was doing her thing for oneworld ages ago. this whole thing baffles me considering what some of the expats say about the situation.

i remember once upon a time thinking it was the best fucking hip hop mag on the planet, fuck that, the best mag period. but after exodus one and two i didn't follow as much, until kim got over there. they still have some of the best politcal and cultural coverage.

today i heard a rumor that money was running out. i have no idea if this is true. it would be a shame. but then there's always elliott and his crew to keep it real, right?

Yeah, they really have had the best political coverage out of the hip-hop mags, for years.. it's a shame that has to be overshadowed.

Ian: Yeah actually my co-host G-Man worked with Benzino at Flavor Unit, and said he was usually easy to get along with. (Except for one time he was acting unruly on the tour bus and got sonned by Freddie Foxxx, but that's a story for another time)

I don't doubt Benzino can be a likable person, many scoundrels are.. I've heard a lot of people talk about being charmed by Don King when they met, even though they know full well he is a crook.

But that can only get you so far, nobody is gonna sweet talk me into agreeing that 2+2=5. I think for most staffers there it's gotta be a "paycheck is a paycheck" situation, which I can't knock. But the ones like Kim who really put themselves out there co-signing this crusade, I just can't fathom it.

HAHA!!

I can't wait to read the Freddie Foxx story yo!!

jay what did you think about this whole source debacle not just "the tape". But the whole from out of the blue diss to using the magazine to get back at him to even having their own source dissing them on mtv. This was most bizarre incident I ever seen in hip hop. What up with your part 2 of the source drama i wanna hear it.

I think Kim Osorio was cosigning this crusade because those "The Source" disses apparently gotten under her skin. She had a chance to get back at him so she purported facts and did.

Peace. Source seems to be in shambles. I haven't received my february issue (may is already inm newstands). The subscription hotline shut down so I called the main offices to complain. Receptionist told me circulation staff is down to just 2 heads and it would take them a week to get back to me cuz they so backed uo. She also told me subscription line was deaded. I also read about the lawsuits on thesmokingun.com. It's ill what has become of the source. Its thinner than calista flockhart ... No ads . They even owe me 2 back issues that they never sent which they had to extend the subscription for. They also raised it from 12 to 16 beans so times must be tough. They honesly lost a loyal customer (p.s. Xxl is 12 bux a year as is elemental mag). Peace

Hey man they had it coming and not just within the recent stuff within the past year. This is years of dirty deeds. From the RSO incidents to picking fights with Cypress Hill and Public Enemy in the early 90's.To the paid covers altered mic ratings. Benzino manipulation,unprincipled crusades and Dave's doing whatever he says.A White owned pulication pulling the race card trying to be problack. Now the magazine has beef with quite a few artist big artist there last few cover choices been real suspect.

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