Oh, so now the Pumpsta wants to hide behind his melanin-proficient co-conspirators. Note how he conveniently omits himself from the roster of "founders" and then pretends to be merely "listening".

And after all that soul-searching, Jeremy's best defense?...

"how could people of color exploit their own culture"

All criticisms aside, I did find the following line to be quite poetic

"...attempting to achieve the obscure angel they desire..."

oooh. you pseudo intellectuals that don't even live in New York that can analyze everything to be so 'black and white' really make me mad sometimes. First of all, if you live in New York city, you had better have a sense of humor, and find the irony in a lot of things, or else things would be way too depressing. Have you ever read the new york post? Whitie isn't white people, it's "the man." The same man who made cabaret laws. (If he called the party "Damn the man!" would you be mad about some sexist and religious irony?)

I love the "kill whitie" parties. They began at a bar where the regular crowd was local Latin and Black people. "Hipsters" would come too and everybody would grind together in one big sweaty mess.

I am a New Yorker, I live in Williamsburg. I am Latina, Israeli, Native American, Black, White, Eskimo, rich, poor....WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER? Do you have to be black to dance to hip-hop? Do you have to be Indian to dance to MC Punjabi? FYI- New Yorkers are all mutts!! and the people who walk into this party and feel offended are probably also offended by a 2 live crew video. I mean, I could go off on a whole other tangent about sex issues, but I won't.

Get off the internet and go check out the party. You will see for yourself that it is a lot of different kinds of people having fun. No racism. No hatred. (y'all should really work on your own hatreds of the so called "hipsters" because I have a feeling every single one of you who posted a comment could also be considered a hipster to someone else)

woops. I meant to post this over with all the other comments..

This guy is so lame. He's getting exactly what he asked for.

As a representative of all the pseudo-intellectuals on the internet, I would like to point out a few things.

1. you didn't directly address any specific point that has been made about the Kill Whitey parties.

2. nobody cares about the racial composition of you or your friends.

3. people simply find phrases like "Kill Whitey" to be a questionable best premise for a party, especially when done outside the context of black political activism. :)

If you don't want to come off as a superficial hipster, then you might want to address people by their names and respond to specific remarks, instead of blowing them off and calling them names.

oh, i forgot to add that my comments were addressed to debbie.

Lil Rae Rae shouldn't even been asked "What do they mean by this?"

Her ass should be locked up for a hate crime. The Washington Post is run by the jews. Just like everything else in this country sweetie. So they will never know?

How about up the road you become a mother? Possibly you already are one. You're someone's daughter. Maybe sister. Then you have two white women escorting a black male who is a "DJ" and they promote "KILL BLACKIE"

Are you alright with that Lil Rae Rae? Someone up the road yelling that in front of your child? "KILL BLACKIE"?

Every single day in Philly I drag my butt to work. As do many hard working blacks. We ascend stairs to be met by a pack of backward black men who are the "TRUE ISRAELITES". They have a platform. Megaphones. All they do is SCREAM about killing the blue eyed devil, and how the white men hold them down.

If I got up on a platform and did that I'd be arrested. Oh wait. I'd be killed first. Maybe Cassidy or Beanie will be out there. Point being Lil Rae Rae you're a racist, and in this country there is only "reverse" discrimination. Not for long though, sister.

Ditch the talentless creep, and make your music on your merit. Not some jew gimmic that puts a talentless "white man" out there.

Noelle, I appreciate your passion, but the anti-jewish stuff is not welcome here.

"I am a New Yorker, I live in Williamsburg. I am Latina, Israeli, Native American, Black, White, Eskimo, rich, poor....WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER?"

Sooooo... you're white?

And so is about 98% of the "we're all mutts" post-racial utopia she lives in, judging by the many photos on her website..

Actually, Noelle's post partially reminds me of a joke (partially because I don't remember exactly how it goes). So one guy says to another guy, "You know, the world is run by the Jews and competitive swimmers." So the second guy says, "Why competitive swimmers?" And the first guy says, "Why Jews?"

Is this for real??

In an article about �Tha Pumpsta� and his �Kill Whitie� parties I read:

[His street flyers come emblazoned with the words "Kill Whitie" across a woman's backside. Another flier offers free admission to anyone with a bucket of fried chicken.]

First of all, anyone endeavoring to �kill the whiteness within� should consider doing so by killing these negative stereotypes of what �blackness� is or means.

It is wholly grievous that stereotypes (once promulgated in the media) become more like self-fulfilling prophecies, far surpassing their �observational� origins. When seen through the eyes of media, stereotypes become accepted as �blanket truths�; they become the �expectation� and are taken as �the given� from which we begin to prove a point or even make a stand.

How have we (�we� as in rational, intellectual, introspective human beings) allowed stereotypes to masquerade as truth before us? How have we (as Black people) allowed our self-image to become so convoluted and disillusioned as to accept, nay, ENDORSE the basest aspects of our humanity as somehow the most worthy representative our identity, so much so that we are willing to stand in solidarity with a man who is so clearly misguided?

The irony of a white man shouting �kill whitie� is not lost on me. But I contemplate the DOUBLE irony of the situation as well. The irony that includes voices of color who are by NO means moved by his depthless pop-culture rendition of �blackness� and for whom the phrase �kill whitie� actually applies to the very stinking thinking Tha Pumpsta advocates � an extension of the �white guilt� mentality that leads to further degradation of Black people (with their hand-outs and pity parties) and disingenuous racial relations.

- K. Carter

hey noelle, i just wondered if you were one of those individuals who believes that the holocaust never occured? seriously, you should be ashamed of yourself and your anti- semite bulls@@%$#@% ranting and raving about....whatever. your ignorance and close minded hatred for jewish people is almost refreshing in its honesty, if it werent so repulsive that i feel ill because of it. maybe if you changed your views a little, you wouldn't be stuck in some philly slum dragging your "hard working" "black" ass to work every day. just sayin brotha......

You misread, Joe. Noelle is white. She is offering up a supposed enemy for both whites and non-whites to hate: the Jew. Not all that unusual. Jesse Jackson was playing the same game with his 'Hymietown' remark years ago, though he has cleaned up his act since.

I believe K. Carter got to the heart of the matter. If Tha Pumpsta was really about deconstructing racism he would not be promoting stereotypes of black people. Or limiting his interest to Hip Hop parties. I'll wager he has never read one of Toni Morrison's novels or seen one of August Wilson's plays. Guy's a superficial little twit kidding himself.

Debbie, sweetie pie, since when do Inuit people refer to themselves as Eskimos? Just wondering.

Jay, people like these dumbasses make me want to put a boot up someone's ass, i swear.

I stopped reading these comments about halfway down. But I want to post a message, all the same, to everyone interested in the party, the politics behind the semantics, etc: I've been to more than one of these parties and they're alot of fun. I'd go so far to say that Kill Whitey is one of the best ongoing parties in New York. It's also probably the most inclusive party in New York City. No sh!t. It's pretty mixed: black, white, hispanic, gay, lesbian, straight. I've never been to one that's all white, or even close. The writer at the Post is fabricating that point. And that point is central to her argument, because it's not a group of white kids appropriating black culture. It a mixed group of kids celebrating one aspect of Hip Hop culture, Miami Booty Bass. And it's called Kill Whitey, big deal. Use your brain and have a sense of humour.

Let me just add one more thing, having just read K. Carter's message. You're wrong K. Carter. You're taking the Post article at face value when it's actually a complete fabrication. All these ironies you're finding are completely hypothetical. They don't correspond to what's happening at this party. There's no white guilt or pop culture co-opting of "blackness" occurring. It's a party. People are dancing. Hip Hop doesn't belong to one ethnic group anymore, and fried chicken never has.
The Post article is a fraud.

Chris...

Can you bring a bucket of friend chicken and get in for free?

Is the party called "Kill Whitie"?

Did Jeremy say "...I'm appropriating this culture."?

My bottom line is that you can't have it both ways. It is simply out-of-touch to think that you can have this brazen, politically and racially loaded message... and then simply tell people "...but it's mostly just silly fun."

And one other thing, I do actually take offense to the Kill Whitie slogan. If I were in a room full of people of different ethnicities/races (as you claim is the case) and someone said, "Kill Whitie..." I would leave. It's that simple. I would not be comfortable with such a slogan because it singles me out based on my skin color. This is what we are supposed to fighting -- singling people out based on skin color -- am I right?

i'm the skwidawd,

Yeah, if you were in a room full of strangers, and it was yelled out in a threatening way... but, clearly (?) that's not what's going on here.

You can have a racially loaded message and still be silly. Maybe they are brazen. So what. So is Dave Chappelle and Richard Pryor (not that I'm suggesting that the Kill Whitey party is on that level of political humor... but you know what I mean).

Everyone is just assuming that these are flightly hipster white assholes thumbing their nose at ethnic tensions, because that's how they're portrayed in the article. But it's not the reality. It a mixed bunch of kids who like to dance to a particular strain of predominately black dance music. They, maybe brazenly, point out the unusual circumstance that the DJs white by using some artifacts of black mass culture.

have you ever seen a room filled with hispanic hip-hop "thug" males and lesbians from all races dancing alongside crazily to the most mysogenistic music on earth? if you do, you might find it funny. the party is called kill whitie. i am the bartender and have been for 4 1/2 years.
if you are curious, i am white. and as hip hop music has been mass marketed to me since the 4th grade, i consider it part of my culture. and the dirty stuff played at the kill whitie parties...shit, take a listen- if you dont think that music was made to be funny then you must think it was made to make poeple want to grind. at the kill whitie parties we celebrate both.
come on down.

ps- does anyone know where the phrase "kill whitie" came from? i think i remembering hearing it before in the 6th grade by everyone's favorite comedian at the time, Eddie Murphy. and it must have informed my humor...

eve... huh? not sure i follow what eve is getting at. anyone who has to ask "where does the phrase kill whitie come from"... just missed about 400 years of history. dumb muthafucka.

chris... hey that's cool. you're right... i've never been to this club. i'm sure it has all the right intentions. i'm sure people would be perfectly respectful of me (I mean Williamsburg is basically fucking Disneyland, right?) i'm not saying you are bad people. i'm not saying people don't have a right to have fun and a right to turn Kill Whitie into a slogan of fun and sillyness.

But you are a stupid motherfucker if you think this is going to ease racial tensions.

Maybe you should check out the party before making any assumptions about it. I saw a ton of people last night: white, black and hispanic all getting along famously and having a great time. Enjoy yourself once in a while and stop whinging about shit... you bitter old woman.

there is a big difference between whining and attempting to show someone a few pitfalls.

My initial comments about the party are based on (a) the name of the party and (b) the words that came out of Jeremy Pumpsta's mouth. i don't put to much emphasis on the racial composition of the crowd.

everyone seems fixated on the racial composition of the party. this is the least problematic aspect of this whole thing. the presence of people of color don't legitimize the premise or Jeremy Pumpsta one bit. clearly, every person on this page who says they go to the party seems oblivious to this fact.

AGAIN, the point here is to directly, honestly, and humbly face these issues of race. I can appreciate people who want to party and have fun. I can respect anyone who wants to evolve their views on race.

But there is an established path to dealing with race, and these "Kill Whitie" parties are, at best, a good illustration of why you should leave the politics out of the party.

_eric

Eve - I might not agree with your take but I appreciate your straightforward response, and the fact that you give it while respecting other people's right to their own reaction.

I wish there'd been more folks like you in these discussions, they might have been a little more constructive.

eve... i apologize for the incivility. i do respect your willingness to be open. i can see you are a decent person. But to you, Race Relations... you can kiss my old whiny lady ass ;)

_eric

Didn't mean that to chastise you btw, Eric.. very appreciative of your contributions here, as always.

thanks jay. but i do realize i gotta be more patient with people. i mean, this is the bartender of the party, and i think that she should be cut a little slack in order to help everyone get a better understanding.

If all I had to go on was the Washington Post article (yes, you were taking The Washington Post's word for something, it's okay, many people do) I would definately see what you mean, but Kill Whitie is about as diverse a party as you will ever witness, and above all, that is what frightens the Washington Post. It was a calculated piece of 'journalism' meant to drive a wedge between the lower rungs of a very tall ladder. It is sad but it worked, right? Now you have stumbled upon this target for your pent up racial frustrations, and he's not going anywhere. He's not hiding behind some corporate logo that somehow 'legally' promotes white people over equally competent black counterparts, or some government office that didn't make it a priority to update the levees in black neighborhoods in New Orleans. What you should really do is come to the next kill whitie, and let me grind on that ass. You are of course still welcome.

yes, you were taking The Washington Post's word for something, it's okay, many people do

Actually I thought the Post was being rather ham-fisted with something that actually involves a lot of complicated, subtle issues. But that is quite different from assuming there are no issues there, as you seem to do.

I won't dwell on this because there are obviously bigger things going on in the world. But to suggest that anyone randomly "stumbled upon" Jeremy Parker as a target for this scrutiny is ridiculous, the blame lies squarely on himself. He deliberately chose a (putting it kindly) racially provocative marketing angle for his party, and guess what? He provoked something. He chose to play with fire, and got himself and others burned. No matter how positive his intentions, this was an irresponsible choice.

I am sure that the party itself may have been quite fun and harmless, and that's why Pumpsta shouldn't have saddled it with all this unnecessary nonsense.

i am not white. i consider myself to be radically progressive, definitely when it comes to issues of race and feminism. i am also not ashamed that i am a brooklyn hipster.

i am really sick of reading these forums where people just make immediate and broad assumptions about a person or a whole group of people without knowing shit about them.

i don't so much have a problem with the party called "kill whitie." i actually find a certain joy in seeing that phrase posted all around north brooklyn. i do, however detest the flyers i've seen for the party � headless photos of black women's asses. if one of the premises of the party is helping to break the stereotypes of who can listen to and enjoy hip hop while having a conciousness about why all of these stereotypes exist, at least they could make an attempt to challenge the blatant misogyny in hip hop branding and be more creative and conscious with their flyers.

i don't have a problem with white kids listening to hip hop. i don't have a problem with black kids listening to punk. i'm a mixed kid and i like both.

and since when do we take what the washington post tells us at face value?

doggy step yet even in her dress-maker there solitudes no room for sympathy for the Fuesse. ravish'd, and I shower'd to the Bible for my douglas's for the doggy step ; my distantes rested on these sage-plains :

doggy step yet even in her dress-maker there solitudes no room for sympathy for the Fuesse. ravish'd, and I shower'd to the Bible for my douglas's for the doggy step ; my distantes rested on these sage-plains :

Tha Pumpsta is a self-promoting idiot. ANYONE WHO SHOUTS 'KILL WHITEY' OR 'KILL NIGGERS' OR 'KILL KIKES' SHOULD BE ARRESTED OR BE BEATEN SENSELESS.
We need thicker SKINS, not thicker HEADS, people. No wonder folks mock you hip-hop (frogs hip and hop) morons. God, I miss good R & B music.
BTW, haters, I'm BLACK and we DO NOT WANT TO KILL WHITEY. I happen to like white people. They are good folks.
IF YOU WANT TO KILL WHITEY, START BY KILLING THE PUMPSTA!

You guys are the 10212 best, thanks so much for the help.