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November 16, 2005Snoop Joining Protest for Tookie Williams[insert "no, that death row" joke here] I don't understand how anyone supports something like this. What purpose is served that justifies killing this man? Snoop Dogg to attend anti-execution rallyPosted by jsmooth995 at November 16, 2005 03:22 AM Comments
i think tookie has shown that he deserves another chance and that everyone makes a mistake but it is what you do after you make that mistake that should define him. he has made a great effort to try to stop what he stared and the death penalty should be reconsidered Posted by: Daniel Wood at November 16, 2005 01:47 PM Tookie Williams did not give his victim a chance,so why should society give him a chance.This animal killed more than four people.Everytime a crip kill someone I blame Tookie,becauce he started this madness. I do not care how many children books he wrote it will not bring his victims back and restore the lives he destroyed.I hope that Arnold terminate this killer and all the killers on California death row. Posted by: William Flowers at November 19, 2005 05:50 AM Both of you make good points on both sides of this issue. But I would like to ask William a question: Why do you give Arnold or anyone else the right to take another human being's life if you don't give that right to everyone? The death penalty is wrong. Period. I'm glad that Tookie has seen the error of his ways but that's what he's supposed to do. He should still spend the rest of his life in prison but he should NOT be executed. Posted by: veronica at November 20, 2005 06:16 PM This is so wrong to me tookie was already executed to me "stanley" is who is locked up right now. He has proved himself worthy of another chance and if they execute him that shows us all that there is no second chance. I was told prison was for punishment and redemption. He has done jus that he seen his wrong and tried to fix it. I agree he should not be executed his did his time. Posted by: zero at November 21, 2005 08:51 AM The real issue isn't Tookie but rather the morality or immorality of the death penalty.Tookie clearly is guilty by his own admission. I believe the death penalty is wrong and jail needs to start working on redemption for changed inmates.Tookie should be allowed to help fix the problem he help start. NO DEATH PENALTY!!!! Posted by: Junie at November 21, 2005 09:42 AM save big og took b cause he did wrong but he also changed his life!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: chunk at November 21, 2005 11:08 AM Sorry Cuz did the crime Posted by: J Hustle at November 21, 2005 03:28 PM He co-founded the Crips right? How many lives have been lost due to gang violence associated with the Crips? He killed 4 people? Sorry, the law is clear on this issue. I hope he has found some peace but he deserves the punishment prescribed by law. Don't like the death penalty? Me either, but sometimes it's justified. It's not like he's innocent. Posted by: Fixer at November 21, 2005 04:06 PM Idiots. Attention all of the gullible and clueless people out there who do not understand violent crime and especially the MURDER of the innocent. Murder of the innocent is wrong. The worst thing any human being could do. Tookie Williams, if executed, is NOT an innocent victim. He is a guilty murderer. Hey...idiots....LOOK AT THE FACES OF THE VICTIMS HE KILLED! (yes WILLIAMS did kill them) THEY are the VICTIMS. THOSE FACES DESERVED TO LIVE...NOT TOOKIE WILLIAMS. Posted by: Steve at November 21, 2005 09:06 PM let him be free Posted by: g bkillah boy at November 21, 2005 09:50 PM I urge all gangs to stand by tookie no matter what bandana color he deserves to live, he has proven he can influence inner city kids and has channged his life. All crips out there if tookie is killed i urge u to kill inocent and non innocent bystandards if he is killed. We will not rest until tookie is freed from jail. I strongly command u as a high ranked to kill if our founding father is killed, dont kill for me kill for what u believe inn. Gs up bratkillah4llife Cs up be @ san on dec 13 Posted by: g bkillah boy at November 21, 2005 09:55 PM I urge the authoritys gov. who ever wants tookie dead to reconsider for we shall go on a killing spree and we not just kill 4 but more Posted by: g bkillah boy at November 21, 2005 09:56 PM g nkillah boy people like you are no better than the terrorist in the Middle East. People like you are scum of the earth. Bush should send all you gang bangers to Iraq,instead of the good young American men and women. I bet all you cowards would return in body bags I hope Arnold have no mercy on Tookie the same way Tookie had no mercy on his victims. Posted by: William at November 21, 2005 11:01 PM I believe that MR.TOOKIE should not be executed I think he is a changed man he deserves a second chance. Posted by: C-9 at November 22, 2005 02:35 AM I believe Tookie should get a second chance when his victims get a second chance. Posted by: William at November 22, 2005 07:43 AM "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind." -Gandhi Posted by: Anonymous at November 22, 2005 01:29 PM Am a nigerian, and in my country the death penalty is very much in effect and rightly so. Though this case calls for the death penalty, the situation clearly calls for closer consideration. Posted by: Raymond at November 22, 2005 06:12 PM Am a nigerian, and in my country the death penalty is very much in effect and rightly so. Though this case calls for the death penalty, the situation clearly calls for closer consideration. Posted by: Raymond at November 22, 2005 06:12 PM Can anyone prove how Tookie Williams changed his life for the better besides all that crap the media has been saying...nobel prize contender? Kids lives changed by his book? Nothing angers me more than someone saying it was only a mistake and that they "think" he has changed his life. For you idiots who think Tookie has done good since then, why is it that he's been denied his appeals for the past 25 years. I would think 25 years is more than enough time to prove him innocence. If everyone could only see the horrific images of those murders and the comments Tookie made when he killed those innocent people... The legacy he leaves behind is the cause of all those young kids dying in gang violence. Tookie Williams execution should absolutely be carried on. Posted by: Teddy at November 22, 2005 08:44 PM People that are against the death penalty alway's seem to change their mind's after something bad happen's to THEIR family,or friend's. make it personal and idea's seem to change. Posted by: steve at November 23, 2005 05:41 AM Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. Posted by: tom at November 23, 2005 05:50 AM It's time for him to pay for his crimes. I saw a bunch of nitwits one night on the news signing petitions stating that in case they were murdered they didn't want their killer executed. Well I do. If I'm ever murdered I not only want my murderer killed, I want his whole family killed, including his dog. Posted by: Eli Bradish at November 23, 2005 06:22 PM May god have mercy! At least someone will have mercy Posted by: Chris at November 23, 2005 10:00 PM TOOKIE MUST DIE!!!! Everybody who thinks Tookie should receive clemency is completely ignoring Posted by: CB at November 23, 2005 10:23 PM NOBEL PEACE PRIZE NOMINEE MY ASS!!!! Does everyone know how these people are nominated? ANY professor of philosophy can request to be on the nobel peace prize board and there is little or no screening. Once on they can nominate ANYONE choose, evidently even a quadruple murder. Yes that is right a quadruple murderer who founded a gang responsible for the death of thousands is nominated for the nobel peace prize. 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Posted by: zaire at November 24, 2005 12:58 AM that was fools gold Posted by: zaire at November 24, 2005 01:02 AM jill? put down the meth pipe,ok? Posted by: zaire at November 24, 2005 01:03 AM Nobody with an ounce of common sense or black pride would let this man live. The Crips have killed four times more people than the Tuskeegee Syphillus Experiments. I say give him a nice blindfold, silk maybe, a lovely cigarette and the best firing squad money can buy. THEN STICK HIS BLOODY HEAD ON A PIKE AND LET THE CROWS EAT HIS MURDERING EYEBALLS FOR LUNCH. That would be nice. Posted by: Cobb at November 24, 2005 02:12 AM To these Gangsters that threaten to kill when tookie is executed, I say your doing what we knew you would..You prove that Tookie couldnt have changed because you who looks up to him wants to kill more people..I say learn from his life and chage yours, innocent people can kill to protect just as easy as a Gangbanger can..When I see ya comming, lookout you will join Tookie! Fry him! Posted by: Justice at November 24, 2005 02:49 AM The fact is Tookie killed and was found guilty, and even if thats not enough he is responsible for every person who has ever been hurt by a crip.. Tookie should and will die for this, and for the moron that calls for gangs to kill, I say to you that you are a coward. You could and would never stand a chance against are real soldiers, I laugh my ass off when I see you idiots thinking that your soldiers. Why you ask, because a real soldier protects lives even at the price of loosing there own. You low life street hoods take lives from children and unarmed men,not much bravery there I would say. As for you snoop, you have made it clear in interviews that your all for Gangs and the way of the OG so why not stop taking millions from whity and makingh movies and go back to the streets?..Ya We should spare Tookie when people like you ask after you just killed some innocent unarmed three year olds..No thanks, Sorry Tookie but your pals have shown that your books did nothing! Now pay the price for all your fun! Posted by: Justme at November 24, 2005 03:04 AM ACTUALLY THERE'S NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS TOOKIE DID THE CRIMES. THERE'S NO DNA EVIDENCE, NO FINGERPRINTS, NOTHING. HE HAS ALWAYS MAINTAINED HIS INNOCENCE FOR THE CRIMES THAT LANDED HIM ON DEATH ROW. Posted by: vietnamdom at November 24, 2005 11:04 AM cobb is the name of an idiot that said on this site earlier today, "stick [tookie's] head on a pike and let the crows eat his murdering eyeballs for lunch" Posted by: vietnamdom at November 24, 2005 11:35 AM I wonder if Scott Peterson is going to get this much support when his number comes up? Probably not because he is white and not percieved as a victim of society. However he may have a slight chance if he sharpens his prison pencil and writes a couple of books. Posted by: WiseGuy at November 24, 2005 12:47 PM So many opinions and so many fools. As a man who spent 5 and a half years in a federal prison, I have an intimate prospective into the mind of a criminal. With good ol Tookie, one major thing is totally absent from all of his claims to fame. He has yet to accept responsibility for the crimes he was convicted. He was convicted based on a mountain of evidence. All of his "good work" in meaningless in the absence of true acceptance of responsibility. Because he has yet to accept responsibility for his crime and admit guilt, he deserves to die. Plain and simple. Posted by: Steven at November 24, 2005 10:00 PM Stanley "Tookie" Williams should definately not be executed. I read some pretty stupid comments above and will make a humble attempt at clearing some things up. Someone stated that he admitted guilt and someone else said that it is clear that he is guilty. Nothing could be further from the truth. There was no physical evidence at all. His conviction was based on the testimony of witnesses who CLEARLY had something to gain by testifying (read the Amicu brief filed by the ACLU or the Dissenting Judges opinion from the 9th circuit court of appeals). Someone asked the ridiculously stupid question, "How do we know he changed?" This question is stupid for a number of reasons the most obvious being, no one knows for sure what is in the mind of another. Whether he has really changed or not isn't the issue the proof is in the thousands of lives he has changed for the better -- GO TO HIS WEB SITE AND READ THE LETTERS FOR CHILDREN, PARENTS, EDUCATORS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. No one is asking for his freedom, there are asking for clemency. It is a proven fact that the death penalty does not deter anymore crimes than life imprisonment. So why not let him continue saving lives. Killing him won't bring back anyone that was killed. Furthermore, it sends a message to those kids that want to change their lives that no matter what they do society is out to kill them. Saving him gives hopes to many. Many comments on this blog unfortunately prove that most people are not willing to think for themselves. They are quick to parrot the crap they here on the news (most politicians know this thats why elections are so expensive). Please, if you disagree with me, do it on the merits of what I am saying not by regurgitating the bullshit propaganda put out those that want him dead. My faith teaches me that "vengence is mine sayeth the Lord." I was also taught to forgive and "He who is without sin cast the first stone." I know that isn't popular but there is a lot of wisdom in those sayings. Just a couple of weeks ago an innocent man was executed in Texas. What do you say to his family? This man was on death row for a number of years unable to be with his family, then he was executed, only to find out that DNA evidence proved him innocent. What do you say to his family? Don't be so quick to judge and for heavens sake don't condemn because it could have just as easily have been you. Posted by: MJ at November 25, 2005 08:16 AM IF he knows in his heart that he is guilty, I suppose as a question of honor, he should except death with dignity. THAT would be the supreme message sent to his admierers. If he is in a land where the man made death penalty is lawful, then he must face it,IF he knows in his heart that he is guilty. IF he is not guilty for this particular crime, then he must fight it. As for his other crimes...his current good works I'm sure will begin to balance his life's ledger. If you take a life, then save a life. The change that he made is a positive one and is surely impressed upon HIS soul. At his hour of divine reckoning this fact will stand by him. Posted by: troy at November 25, 2005 11:28 AM Poor Steven, he writes but doesn't like to read...there's no reason for Stanley to apologize for the crimes he was convicted of because he did not do those crimes. Read my previous postings on this site. Posted by: vietnamdom at November 25, 2005 12:31 PM He should die just on the fact that he is the one who started the crip gang. The crips killed more black people than the KKK could ever dream of killing. Posted by: William at November 25, 2005 03:34 PM I don't think tookie anticipated how big the crips was going to get holding him responsible for all the lives hurt by the crips is like holding Albert Einstein responsible for his E=mc² forumla which ultimately led to the development of nuclear weapons that killed 100 million times more lives then the crips killed so kill all that shit bout how he the founder so he should be held responsible for every action from other crips, matter a fact there's a lot of crip factions it's not like they all in one big gang there's crip gangs against crips they don't all get along. Can't blame Tookie for the consequences of the crips dude was arested in 1979, the crips didn't hit mainstream til the 80's when u had rappers and entertainment glorifying gangs i rather blame the media then tookie for the gang impact on kids. and Junie, stanley never admited his guilt he has always maintain his innocence now I haven't thoroughly research his case yet but there were a lot of racial tactics by the prosecution i think his case should be looked into Posted by: paul at November 25, 2005 09:06 PM I wish I had time to write a book one day...but I have to work for a living. I don't have free housing, meals, clothing...Instead, I have child support, bills and taxes to pay. The death penalty AND LWOP is flawed because while "paying" for the crime of murdering innocents, criminals have time to hit the weight room, library, TV room, game room and all. I think if life without parole was a harsh, working existance, dealth penalty supporters might be for it. I'd be all for a convicted murderer spending 12 hours a day busting his or her ass and then going back to lock-up. Seems more punishment than a needle in the arm. But we have to treat this scum with kid gloves and give them many things working folks can't afford. If it costs more to execute a prisoner than keeping him in for life, lets make the cost go down further by making them work for their room & board. Posted by: PaulS at November 26, 2005 12:43 AM Tookie Williams' jury consisted of 10 White jurors, 1 Asian juror and 1 Latino juror--NO AFRICAN AMERICAN JURORS on his jury!! The judge in the case was reprimanded twice for making offensive racist remarks toward Mr. Williams. The evidence in the case does NOT prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that Mr. Williams committed ANY of these murders! What kind of a nation are we if we continue to execute people in cases where there is ANY doubt of their guilt? If Mr. Williams is executed on December 13, the State will be guilty of MURDER. God help us all. Posted by: goddess at November 26, 2005 03:31 AM And by the way, this country has NEVER executed a WEALTHY person who was convicted of murder. NEVER. We put RICH murderers in prison for life, but we do not DARE execute them, because they can afford EXCELLENT legal representation and a brilliant lawyer will NEVER allow his client to be put on Death Row!! The Menendez brothers shot their parents, admitted to the crime and were given LIFE in prison--WHY? Because they were spoiled little rich White boys, that's why! If Tookie Williams were a wealthy man, he would NEVER have been given the death penalty. He is NOT guilty of these murders. He may be executed because he was poor, African American and in the wrong place at the wrong time. All of you who are calling for his death--I hope he haunts your conscience FOREVER. Posted by: goddess at November 26, 2005 03:52 AM And PLEASE stop comparing Tookie Williams to that maniac Scott Peterson! In Scott Peterson's case, there was overwhelming evidence BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT that he HAD murdered his wife and unborn son. Too bad Mr. Peterson wasn't a WEALTHIER man, maybe he could have afforded a better attorney (his lawyer was a moron) and he could have avoided Death Row. And the fact that Tookie Williams once had gang-affiliation as a young man does NOT make him guilty of these murders. It simply means he made some horrible decisions in his youth and he HAS made ammends for these mistakes. But he will NEVER apologize for the murders because HE DID NOT COMMIT THEM. Amen. Posted by: goddess at November 26, 2005 04:07 AM My son has a major drug problem because of the Crips AND Bloods bringing coke and heroin into our small city. I am convinced that if it were not available he would be ok today. Tookie, having co-founded the foul Crips, should be put to death for that act alone, not to mention his having been convicted of killing four people. If those he killed were other Crips, Bloods, or gangers, or drug-dealers, then let him OUT so he can kill off four more of them and four more after that. Yassir Arafat received the Nobel Prize for peace, honoring him for all of his killing, maiming, and destruction. Yeah, award Tookie for the same. That is America today! Posted by: MickO at November 26, 2005 04:26 AM Please read the discovery evidence posted on Tookie's web site. While I believe that people should be punished for crime, we also must take into account the factors that led them to their crimes and who they have become. He is not asking for freedom; he is asking for forgiveness. He has never confessed to the killings, but has apologized for his earlier gang activity. I believe he serves a greater purpose alive than dead, based upon his contribution to society at this point. He has taken responsibility for his gang activity, but he is not required to admit something that he did not do. It seems that the state did NOT prove their case in this trial. You must be truthful in testimony and it seems like the witnesses were not. Even the Supreme court noted that they has reason to lie. Posted by: Delicate Balance at November 26, 2005 04:45 AM Kill the bastard and send him screaming straight to hell. You have to love his retarded followers though, drawing from Tookie's own heartfelt determination to end gang violence, some of them intend to kill innocents in protest of his death. Priceless, lesson learned, Tookie will be so proud if he can get a window seat in hell. Posted by: Please at November 26, 2005 08:55 AM If we're going to execute people for making bad decisions in their youth--than I guess we have to think about what we should do with President Bush! And the First Lady! Bush has been a drug-user, convicted drunk-driver, and has committed perjury regarding 9-11 and the War in front of the entire nation. Laura Bush dealt drugs on-campus while she was in college and was the drunk driver in an car accident in which her ex-boyfriend was killed. Oh--I forgot--President and Mrs. Bush are WHITE, WEALTHY and PRIVILEDGED. So they don't have to answer for THEIR crimes, right? Posted by: goddess at November 26, 2005 02:12 PM While he was on the cross, Jesus Christ FORGAVE a man who had been convicted of murder. Think about THAT. Posted by: goddess at November 26, 2005 02:21 PM Also from the Bible: "It would be easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than for a WEALTHY man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Amen. Posted by: goddess at November 26, 2005 02:26 PM Albert Lewis Owens, the night clerk at the 7-Eleven, the father of two working the night shift, and Yen-I Yang, the 65-year-old motel owner, his wife, Tsai-Shai Chen Yang, 62, and daughter, Yu-Chin Yang Lin, 42, never got their chances, did they? They all deserved a chance to live, deserved mercy instead of being snuffed out for some drug money. These people never got their chance to influence their kids or change their own lives, their lives were ended by an arrogant, PCP loaded gang banger.What goes around, comes around. You do the crime, you pay the price. Posted by: warriorlion at November 26, 2005 09:37 PM Tookie Williams was a clean cut all American kid who was a boy scout and the white man frame him.Right. I am against abortion,but in the case of tookie his mother should have got rid of the bastard when he was a fetus.I wish the son of a bitch burn in hell. Posted by: william at November 26, 2005 10:12 PM I cant believe how everytime it turns into a race issue. I dont care if tookie is black or white, they found him guilty so he must die. As for these people saying things about the kkk and Peterson, who gives a shit about them you bring them up because they are white and no other reson. Read the papers today, 54% of all people executed have been white. Tookie as I recall assulted a C.O not to long ago so how much did he really change?. He also does still run the crips or atleast part of them. I worked at SQ and when he walked by the crip yard they would all stop and salute him, he's a hero to them so tell me how he is against gangs? If he is against the crips why are they trying so hard to save him? Blood in blood out right, so why then don't they want him dead? Say what you will but tookie is a crip he agrees with the crips hates whites and could carless about those that he has killed. Im sure the crimes he comitted on the street were far greater then the ones he is serving time for now.., As far as why blame him for what the crips do, he is guilty of every crime a crip committes. The law is clear about this it is conspiracy plain and simple..I remember that Bobbo Solsa and Fig Avelos were found guilty of over 100 murders because they called shots for the N.F sp stop this poor tookie shit and know that if you are going to bang then dont cry when it's your turn to be banged! I hope and pray that the Gov don't over turn this execution of tookie williams.. Posted by: Justus at November 27, 2005 12:37 AM Hey goddess so you hate white people thats clear and as far as the Bush's go you don't know what your talking about. Yes Jesus forgave the thife but he also allowed him to be executed just as tookie will be..Perhaps he will ask Jesus to forgive him, then again Jeus is a Jew so are you sure you and Tookie will enjoy being with him forever, you do know Jews are white and or olive not black?! Yaa lets see what floats your mind this time.. Posted by: justus at November 27, 2005 12:44 AM i think tooke should live bc i know i got 2nd chances.i was in prison and i know what its like so fuck all of yall who say he should die what the fuck do u know its hard core shit that happens up in there wouldnt u want to get out i am also a meber of the crips stay turE to the blue YA HERADDD Posted by: king ton at November 27, 2005 01:53 AM and evan thoe i am a blue dosent mean i am a fucking killer all that means is that i am ture to my hood Posted by: king ton at November 27, 2005 01:55 AM CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP CRIP Posted by: CRIP LOVER at November 27, 2005 01:59 AM No all it means is that you are true to people that dont work or do anything good for others, you prey on the weak and hurt and kill those whom you dont agree with or those that have what you want! What do you know about sacrafice?..You have to work and giveup things for others to understand that..As far as Tookie goes, ya I feel a little bad for him sure, but non the less he killed 4 people. Shouldnt they have justice for them and there family? If your a crip then what about Tookie not being one anymore, does that bother you? Why? You seem to love crip lifestyle more than you love the innocent, why? Posted by: justus at November 27, 2005 03:17 AM justus, please see a proctologist about getting your head out of your ass. There is much in life that you apparently have no capacity to understand. The crips saluting him in prison do so out of respect. Respect for a man who has obviously changed his life. It may be hard for you to comprehend but many people in gangs do want to be in them. The main reason that Mr. Williams is so effective working with troubled youth and gang members is his credibility having been one himself. It is the same reason programs like A.A. work "One alcoholic helping another." Secondly, you mention a recent assault on a CO. What do you call recent 1987. The assault on the co occurred prior to him going into the hole. In fact it was the reason he was sent to the hole. It was in the hole where he experienced a radical change in ideas and values. The former Warden wrote a letter asking for his clemency and stated that Mr. Williams was a model prisoner after his release from the hole. The current Warden is asking for the death penalty and posted slanderous remarks on their web site which that had to remove because it unsubstantiated in fact. Like the things you say. Being convicted does not mean that you are guilty. Especially in America. Race is not as much the issue as economics. I think you are still smarting from O.J. He had resources and an excellent defense like most white guys and therefore, got what most white guys get, freedom. But I digress. Tookie Williams should receive clemency so he can continue saving lives. Lives that you justus, feel are not worth saving. He may save someone from killing someone you care about, isn't that worth it? Posted by: mj at November 27, 2005 04:07 AM I want to make a correction to my last posting. Most people in gangs DO NOT want to be in them. Posted by: mj at November 27, 2005 04:41 AM He killed 4 people they say, and what about the pain he left those families???? eye 4 an eye!! live by the gun , die by the gun!!if you were related to the victims , would you still think it's cool to let him go free."hell no" the best thing has waiting for him is a place in heaven because. god bless , spare his life but dont let him go free. Posted by: Rabbit at November 27, 2005 07:59 AM As a correctional in Southern Californi I knew when an inmate was coming up for parole because he always made sure that he was seen by all of reading the bible. Everywhere he went within the compound he always carried his Bible. Yes! He wanted all to see that he had opened up his heart to the Lord. That he was now a Christian. Sometimes they got parole only to return to prison. Tookie became a "hero" among his peers when he killed. This is a gang members way of getting recognition (respect). As I understand it. No one is above the law and that includes Tookie. Stanley "Tookie" Williams must pay for his crimes. To not execute him would only send messages to other gangs that it is alright to kill because some will feel sorry and forgive you.Not so. The relatives of the deceased have god given right to want and get justice. Posted by: johnny macias at November 27, 2005 01:13 PM As a halfbreed, Apache/mexican, I say bury Tookie in the ground with head sticking out. Poor honey over him and let the ants at him. The Crips are bad for the African American cause Posted by: johnny black wolf at November 27, 2005 01:38 PM Everyone DO YOUR RESEARCH! First of all: the original Jews ("chosen people") were from Ethiopia (hence, they were BLACK, not White). There are still Black Jews all over the world today. Second: No, I do not "hate white people"...I AM WHITE! I AM ALSO AFRICAN AMERICAN! So when it comes to issues of race in this country, I think I have a unique and objective perspective. Bush is a criminal. So is his wife. Tookie is NOT GUILTY of these murders. There's your truth--whether or not you believe it is of no importance to me--I have done my research and the facts are all there. And by the way, according to the Bible, Jesus had "feet the color of copper and hair like wool". There is a VERY strong possibility that Jesus Christ was a Black Jewish gentleman (like many of the people who were born in Bethlehem in his time). You never know--maybe GOD IS BLACK, TOO! Wouldn't THAT be a wake-up call for the world. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 27, 2005 03:44 PM I find it fascinating that whenever we dare to discuss the economic and racial biases in our legal system, so many people become afraid and offended. I only wish these statistics were not true, but they ARE. Until we as a nation face the fact that (since Slavery and since the assault on our Native American brothers and sisters by our government) African Americans and other people of color in this country have continued to work twice as hard to get half as much. I have White family-members who have admitted to me that their daily lives are easier because of the color of their skin--they know that they will never have to be harrassed by police, lose an apartment, promotion or job because of their skin color. People of color fight a daily battle for diginity and equality. We must face these issues, offer comprehensive reparations to the descendants of Native and African Americans in our country, and try to create POSITIVE change. It may be a little scary for you wealthy White people out there, but there is a revolution coming. So wake up and get ready. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 27, 2005 04:05 PM "WE SHALL BE FREE ONLY TOGETHER, BLACK AND WHITE. WE SHALL SURVIVE ONLY TOGETHER, BLACK AND WHITE. WE CAN BE HUMAN ONLY TOGETHER, BLACK AND WHITE." Posted by: goddess at November 27, 2005 04:17 PM Did anyone know that Tookie shot loads into the asses of his fellow prisoners while incarcerated? Posted by: Smudgee the Whale at November 27, 2005 05:47 PM Let he/she who is without sin throw the switch. I believe everyone one of us who has made a posting here, is guilty of sin in some sort of way. Perhaps our sin is not as extreme as murder (only Mr. Williams and God know if he committed those crimes), but we have sinned nonetheless. For our sins, our father, “God Almighty”, has forgiven us. If you have any faith in the Lord, believe he will handle all matters accordingly. Mr. Williams’s faith has already been decided. Whether clemency, life in prison or freedom, his path has already been decided. Try to live with whatever decision is made. To the families of those who were brutally murder, my heart goes out to you. This moment is probably very hard for you, but whatever the outcomes is…live life and know this is God will. Mourn your family members death, but also embrace how many lives their death has saved. Through Mr. Williams children’s book! God bless you all! Posted by: Forgivness ! at November 27, 2005 06:19 PM I would love to see all the gangs get together in one big arena and have a fight to the finish.If tookie had killed other gang members I would support his release,so he could kill some more gangs,or maybe get kill. Tookie could take all his children books and shove them up his ass.Gang members do not read.Gang members can not read. Posted by: William at November 27, 2005 09:21 PM Nobel Peace Prize?? Don't make me laugh...wasn't Yasser Arafat (a Mass Murderer and Terrorist) also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize? Get a grip, you uneducated pieces of random garbage. Posted by: The Fact Man at November 27, 2005 09:32 PM Let Tookie help the young up and coming gangbangers like g bkillah boy by standing up to what he did, admitting to the crime of FOUR murders, then show the kids what happens to murderers no matter how they try to sham their way back into society. Tookie must DIE Posted by: DM at November 27, 2005 10:20 PM Cheers to GODDESS for standing up to these bigots! Posted by: vietnamdom at November 27, 2005 10:36 PM The comments I have been reading on this site really make me sad. I can tell that you folks don't really understand what is happening Posted by: Old Recon Marine at November 27, 2005 11:19 PM Save Tookie, Why should he die? does anyone that is saying that he should die knows that he did the crime? Do yo know him? well I do and I don't beleive he did it. I beleive he was framed. Maybe he was a leader of a gang at one time, But that does'nt make him a killer. Let him live to be the voice and inspire others with his writing. So you think because he was a leader of a gang If you really don't know him as a person don't judge him just listen to the outcome. Save Tookie, Free Tookie, give him clemency, don't call anyone ignorant that wants him saved. If you knew him than you would understand he did not kill the 4 that he was accused of this I All of you that wnat him dead are you children of God? again i say if you don't know him than don't judge him. I feel for those family members that lost there love ones. but what proof do we have that he did it. We are wherE given life as a gift from God, and what we so with our life is a gift from God. tookie is a new man. He has done good. Give Tookie a 2nd chance. Posted by: Gods Child at November 27, 2005 11:25 PM Stop it! All of you! Now! I created the heavens, the earth, and all it's inhabitants. I choose who lives and who dies. Tookie's fate is my will. Posted by: God at November 27, 2005 11:28 PM Imagine this: imagine that Tookie Williams is executed on December 13. Imagine that years in the future, a review of the evidence shows that Mr. Williams did NOT, in fact, commit these four murders. Imagine that the person(or persons)who DID commit these murders is never caught and is living among us still. This will mean that the State of California put an INNOCENT man to death. Let me repeat: THIS WILL MEAN THAT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA PUT AN INNOCENT MAN TO DEATH! And if you are a resident of the State of California, this decision will have been made IN YOUR NAME. THINK, THINK, THINK MY PEOPLE, THINK. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 27, 2005 11:28 PM Shout-out and mad-respect to VIETNAMDOM! Keep doing the right thing. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 27, 2005 11:31 PM thanks for your message goodness Sent Nov 27th @ 11:31 Posted by: Gods Child at November 27, 2005 11:34 PM You're all a bunch of phucking morons. Posted by: Smarter than you at November 27, 2005 11:34 PM Tookie will be free. Peace be with us all Posted by: Gods Child at November 27, 2005 11:36 PM I dont think they should put him to death its just gonna cause more violence because now the cripps are gonna be upset and they are gonna try to get back at everyone...but i think he has served his time he has been locked up for a long time it looks like he has saw the wrong he has done so no i dont think they should put him to death... Posted by: Jay at November 27, 2005 11:41 PM And to all you bigots out there--the great thing about racist, violent, bigoted people is that you ALWAYS self-destruct. You scream, wail, curse, insult and threaten and WE JUST IGNORE YOU. If you can ever release yourselves from your fear and ignorance, maybe one day you WILL SEE THE LIGHT. Until then, I wish you all luck. The world is quickly becoming a VERY different place. Two-thirds of the planet is populated by people of color. The poor and disenfranchised are growing restless and arming themselves with new knowledge and skills. Revolution is INEVITABLE. Get ready, there's a change coming(whether you bigots like it or not). Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 27, 2005 11:57 PM Blessed are the peacemakers, for they are the children of God. Amen. Posted by: goddess at November 28, 2005 12:01 AM "And then the room was filled with wild and angry men. They seemed to hate this man, they fell on him, and then. . .then I saw thousands of millions crying for this man. And then I heard them mentioning my name, and leaving me the blame." --Pontius Pilate, following the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Posted by: goddess at November 28, 2005 12:07 AM Hey goddess, look bitch go to Isreal and see what color they are! Olive like Jesus, amd if you are going t0o quote the bible at least know what it says..You dont know much for sure..The law saws tookie is guilty and even if he didnt do these murders what about all the killings he's done through the crips?..Yes he should die dec 13th and thats it.As far as the pres. goes you think he's a bad guy and tookie is a good guy, Hmmm whats that tell ya?...LMAO>>>>..I will tell you what it means, that you hate whites and tyhat all blacks are not guilty of anything they do because no matter what its whiteys fault..LOL...What a putzz!! TAnd to the nut cake that thinks that Tookie being saluted by the crips is only a sign of respect, you dont know shit!! Ask Criter from SQ he's now the spokes man he's also black he also knows what is what and who is who...Get a clue he is was and always will be a crip.. Posted by: justus at November 28, 2005 01:58 AM "Now the Lord is the spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom."-2 Corinthians 2:17. Stop being so negative. we can not assume that he did these crimes and he can not be blamed for what is continuing today, we all have choices. " He has sent me to bring good news to the oppressed, Free Tookie... Free Tookie Posted by: Gods Child at November 28, 2005 02:21 AM Everyone has a right to ask for forgivness, even Tookie, Love your enemies and pray fo those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven."-- Matthew 5:44-45. Give him his Clemency. He does not fit the crime that he was accused of. And what proof did they have? what proof do you have? Did he do it? Well I think not. He was framed because of who he was. Release him let him go. Posted by: Gods Child at November 28, 2005 02:39 AM FIRST IM AN O-G BLOOD- NOW BACK IN 1969 -WHEN THE CRIPS FIRST STARTED -IT WAS COMMUNITY REINPROVEMENT PROGRAM.-- THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THE GOV.TO GIVE MONEY TO OPEN UP PROGRAMS--AFTER THE WATTS ROITS...BUT NO ..THEY PUT DOPE IN THE GETTO - P.C.P -- AND FUCKED EVERYBODYS HEAD UP...SO IF ANYONE IS TO BLAME-IT;S THE GOV.......IT THEY WOULD HAVE GAVE RAYMOND WASHINGTON AND TOOKIE JUST A LITTLE MONEY TO OPEN A PROGRAM --SHIT WOULDNT BE THE WAY IT IS NOW..AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO;S TO BLAME---THE GOV... SO YEA LET HIM LIVE--- HE;S AREADY BEEN DOWN 24YEARS.THAT DEATH ITSELF..--LET HIM LIVE IT OWN OUT- -THANK YOU..PRAY 4 HIM..... STACK-A-DOLLAR-EASTSIDE -LOWBOTTOM Posted by: KINGSTACK at November 28, 2005 03:07 AM Old recon marine. You and others act like Mr. Williams owes the families that have suffered. If Mr. Williams maintains his innocence then what would he owe? If anyone owes those families who lost their loved ones it is the state of California. There substandard investigation followed by their rush to justice left so many questions unanswered and happened so long ago that we may never know the party or parties responsible. Again I say look at the evidence a conviction does not mean guilty. Two weeks ago in Texas a man was executed and was later found to be innocent. This happens more frequently than you know. Justus I did not say he is not a crip. Snoop Dogg admitted to being a crip last week. Snoop said he wants to show the positive side of being a crip. I said he [Mr. Williams] obviously changed his life and that is why they salute him. He no longer glorifies gang life. He is effective turning gang members around because he has credibility having been one. Posted by: mj at November 28, 2005 05:43 AM This is not a black/white issue.This is about justice.I am a black man who support the death penalty.It makes me no different if the animal is black,or white. Posted by: william at November 28, 2005 08:40 AM G. bkillah boy states on november 21, 2005-09.56pm "for we shall go on a killing spree and we not kill four but more" Would you please start on my res. It has been sometime our people have hung anyone upside down from a tree with a fire under their head. We need the practice so we do't forget. In the joint some of the most feared by other inmates are the "lifers." Becuase nothing can be done to them. They have nothing to lose. Gang members like Tookie are bad for the kids in the hood. Posted by: johnny black wolf at November 28, 2005 01:00 PM Well, at least you're all completely predictable. As I said before, you who are bigots always self-destruct, so we will IGNORE YOU. We know it really bothers you when we IGNORE you, so we will continue to IGNORE you. Enjoy your ignorance, we'll enjoy THE TRUTH. And "JUSTUS" seems to be the most insecure and angry of the bunch, so we will IGNORE "JUSTUS" completely from now on. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 28, 2005 03:54 PM Thank you, "MJ" for being willing to tell the absolute truth! You have obviously done your research. In peace there is power. Posted by: goddess at November 28, 2005 03:59 PM "YOU OUGHT TO BELIEVE SOMETHING IN LIFE, BELIEVE THAT THING SO FERVENTLY THAT YOU WILL STAND UP WITH IT TILL THE END OF YOUR DAYS. I CAN'T MAKE MYSELF BELIEVE THAT GOD WANTS ME TO HATE. I'M TIRED OF VIOLENCE. AND I'M NOT GOING TO LET MY OPPRESSOR DICTATE TO ME WHAT METHOD I MUST USE. WE HAVE A POWER...POWER THAT CANNOT BE FOUND IN BULLETS AND GUNS, BUT WE HAVE A POWER. IT IS A POWER AS OLD AS THE INSIGHTS OF JESUS OF NAZARETH AND AS MODERN AS THE TECHNIQUES OF MAHATMA GANDHI." --Martin Luther King, Jr. Posted by: goddess at November 28, 2005 04:14 PM The death penalty is wrong, but a man should be condemned for his actions. I don't agree with the death penalty because it is just legal killing of a person who is in jail for killing illegally. Put the man in a dark hole and let him rot, but don't kill him. Posted by: Jubbie at November 28, 2005 04:16 PM die tookie die Posted by: dead tookie at November 28, 2005 05:19 PM if he killed four peaple then that nigger should fry Posted by: freddie at November 28, 2005 05:55 PM Hey, "freddie" : you bigots cannot even SPELL! The word is spelled "people", not "peaple". I noticed you know how to spell "nigger" perfectly. Wow, you should really be proud of yourself. NOTHING YOU CAN SAY WILL CHANGE THE TRUTH. You bigots are an endangered species and you will destroy yourselves with your own moronic words and actions. Wake up before it's TOO LATE. Or stay in your narrow little world of fear and ignorance. It really doesn't matter to us at all. Either way, we will be free. Posted by: goddess at November 28, 2005 08:10 PM Where there is no peace, there is no justice. Where there is no justice, there is no peace. Posted by: goddess at November 28, 2005 08:16 PM DAMMIT all of you who are against tookie to let be free,why don't you PUT YOURSELF IN HIS SHOES?yes i did put myself in the shoes of the victims family,my uncle was killed by also a crip,but you know what?i forgive that man who killed my uncle,nothing can bring my uncle back!But look what tookie did!he knows what he has done wrong,he wrote books about gangs and violence,so many people read it,if he didn`t wrote them,i`m sure that now it would be WORSE!!GODDES AM ALL OUT WITH YOU,FREE TOOKIE,GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO SHOW THAT HE`S A CHANGED MAN!!it aint about black and white people,i am white but id on`t give a shit about whit or black people,we all are humans,people make mistakes,and whyd on`t you think foryouself all things you have done wrong,shouldn`t you be exicuted?te famil of the victems may say NO IT AINT ABOUT REVANGE,but we all know it is!!FREE TOOKIE FREE TOOKIE!!! Posted by: Cristy at November 28, 2005 08:16 PM "Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect." --Chief Seattle. Posted by: goddess at November 28, 2005 08:21 PM It's too bad that the 4 people this animal murdered cannot be nominated for anything so nice as a "Nobel Prize" What a joke the Nobel Prize has turned in to. Posted by: Sailorbum at November 28, 2005 08:34 PM The idea of redemption really frightens some of you, doesn't it? Stop living in fear. Open your minds. Open your hearts. Your anger is useless and only hurts YOU. Read, think, act, move, grow, and CHANGE! Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 28, 2005 08:41 PM Every time you show your rage, you show your weakness. Dare to be PEACEFUL. Dare to be STRONG. Posted by: goddess at November 28, 2005 08:44 PM PRAYER FOR TOOKIE: PEACE. Posted by: goddess at November 28, 2005 08:50 PM an eye for eye! tookie must die! Posted by: brian grant at November 28, 2005 09:55 PM Killing 4 people is not a mistake.It is murder.Killing the person who commit murder is justice. Posted by: william at November 28, 2005 10:04 PM hey KINGSTACK you blame the gov. for what Tookie did?..LOL..yaa well thats when I know your dumb as shit!! So your atough " O G " big fucking deal!! All it means is that you dont work, you take from the weak and defensless and you hate whites! We get it, all blacks can kill and do as they please because whitey is to blame, you know you are bad for the black race! Its Blacks like you that make people hate em, I dont hate blacks I hate people that blame the gov and other races for all the bad things they do..Tookie is a killer plain and simple, he should die dec 13th because he is guilty of taking lives..If Goddess thinks she knows he's innocent then she's a freak, because his side of the story has been heard by the courst more than once and he has always been found guilty!! Tookie should die for what he did, as far as what he has done for the kids, so big deal thATS what all decent humans should do..SO they nominated him for the peace prize,BFD you can nominate anyone just ask Hitler~~! nuf said!! Posted by: justus at November 28, 2005 11:55 PM We all understand that you're secretly in love with me, "Justus". Unfortunately for you, WE'RE STILL IGNORING YOU. It's making you CRAZY, isn't it? WE'RE RIGHT, and YOU KNOW IT. The truth hurts. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 01:16 AM "The greatest obstacle to love is fear. It has been the source of all defects in human behavior throughout the ages." --Mahmoud Mohammed. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 01:26 AM We will all meet again in the Afterlife. And then the truth shall be revealed. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 01:28 AM LOL>.Ok goddess are you french? whats this we shit, you can ignor me and thats great because you dont know much anyways..You say you " know " he's not guilty?...LOL yaa right!! Tookies a dead man and you are just plain insain!! Posted by: Justus at November 29, 2005 01:49 AM Seems funny how hard people will work to save a killer yet children starve to death everyday, end up in garbage cans and you people cry over the fate of a killer..Do you cry for the unborn? No you cry to stop justus!! Posted by: justus at November 29, 2005 02:09 AM Stop embarrassing yourself, "Justus". You're just not my type. You're beginning to bore me, so I won't respond to your moronic blather any longer. Aren't you late for a Klan meeting or something? You really aren't equipped with the intellect to discuss these issues. JUSTICE FOR TOOKIE, JUSTICE FOR TOOKIE, JUSTICE FOR ALL OPPRESSED PEOPLE!!! Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 02:15 AM "Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed." --Martin Luther King, Jr. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 02:29 AM "Christy"--you are so right-on! It's about JUSTICE! FREE TOOKIE! FREE TOOKIE! Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 02:35 AM Much love goddess and Cristy! You two keep hope alive. Isn't the ignorance of those that want him dead appalling? justus claims that Tookie's case has been heard by every court and he has been found guilty. What a bunch of SHIT! As I have said repeatidly, HIS CASE WAS DENIED A HEARING IN THE APPELLATE COURT BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF JUDGES MISAPPLIED THE PRESEDENCE SET IN THE BATSON CASE. I EVEN TOLD YOU WHERE TO GET THE INFORMATION SO YOU TO CAN BE INFORMED -- READ THE DISSENTING JUDGES OPINION, READ THE AMICUS BRIEF FILED BY THE ACLU, OR READ THE BRIEF FILED BY HIS ATTORNEYS. BUN EVEN IN THEIR REFUSAL, THE SUPREME COURT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT TOOKIE IS AN EXCELLENT CANDIDATE FOR CLEMENCY. justus, I am not picking on you its just that you are the most articulate of your side and therefore have the best chance of understanding a legal document and its relevance. For the rest of you calling for an eye for an eye, and "what about the victims families"? Ask someone to read the documents I mentioned above to you so that you can understand that Tookie did not receive a fair trial and as such may not be guilty. Furthermore, clemency does not mean that Tookie will be set free, it means that he will not be executed so he can continue saving lives. We are redeemed! FYI -- watch the news in the upcoming days, there are events planned all over California Wednesday and more scheduled in the following week. "An eye for an eye leaves both men blind" Spread Love save Tookie! Posted by: mj at November 29, 2005 03:48 AM There is no such thing as a inocent gang member.If you are a gang member you are guilty plain and simple. Posted by: William at November 29, 2005 05:32 AM For all you people trying to dredge up questions about the court trial tookie got.....williams doesn't deny his guilt, admits openly that he killed those people, so stop trying to make believe they're going to execute an innocent man. Posted by: Cliff Yablonski at November 29, 2005 07:47 AM sad commentary on society when you nominate the likes of yassir and tookie for the nobel prize. Posted by: ed at November 29, 2005 08:24 AM Tookie is a fungus that should be stopped. We don't need people like him around our kids. He is bad for our african-american communities. We don't want him in our hood. He took innocent lives to show how bad he was. I say "how bad" because now he is scared of his execution and cringing. Tookie has no class. The street punk won't be missed at all. Mr. Terminator! Terminate him for the good of our coummunity and kids. We don't need a discredit to our race. Because of his action, us african americans will be judged by his actions. Guilty by affiliation. Tookie and his crip buddies should be flushed down the toilet with the crap. This group is not african american and only create more bad feelings for us that have made strides in our communities. To think that I almost lost my life in nam for people like him. I'm glad he wasn't in our unit. I think he would have ran or froze if he had been in a fire fight with us. I sure as hell won't miss him or people like him. Mr. Terminator!Terminate the termite. Come on december 13! One less street punk on this earth. Posted by: Fred Washington at November 29, 2005 11:29 AM Hey goddess. Say something intelligent. Put all your education on a back of stamp and send it to tookie. His isn't much bigger. If you had a brain you would still be goddess. You has not said anything that will change the governas mind. So long tookie!!! Posted by: a brother at November 29, 2005 11:41 AM yo give my man a chance everyone has done wrong if u wanna kill a motha fucker kill george bush's pussy bitch ass he killed all them damn people in new york and new orleans so who has done more wrong? Posted by: dtrouble at November 29, 2005 11:57 AM Tookie a good guy? Guys like him call the shots in the streets from any joint. I knew a EME that was isolated from the population because he was a eme recruiter. His dad also a gang,o.g, member was down at Q in isolation. The kid would call his mom and tell her what was going down. When the dad called the mom or wife, would pass on what the son had said. She also passed on to the son what the o.g, had said. An inmate can not communicate with another inmate when both are in the joint. No kites either. Jimmie hoffa ran the teamsters from behind the wall. He still had a lot of juice in the teamsters. Don 't kid yourself. Tookie the bookie has and is still calling the shots from his bunk. He does get phone calls to make or he can tell his cellie to place calls for him. Thats the way it works at Q. We can do without tookie. If the streets don't want him and we don't want him. He can shoot a lot of kites from hell to all those that think he walks on water. His former buddy, Washington was the orignal founder of the crips. Word has it the crips got their name from a gang fight. Washington operated from a wheelchair. He was paralyzed from a gang fight with another gang. During one fight the other gang told Washington's bunch 'Get the fuck out of here and take that fuckin crip with you. Get it? Crip is short for criple. So all you gangtas and bitches can expect your kites from tookie after he gets to hell. Not so sorry!!!! as the terminator would say 'asta the la vista took!! Switch. They don't use the gas chamber because the gas was to green. Posted by: chuck wagon at November 29, 2005 12:22 PM "Anger brings us not only energy but blindness." --His Holiness, the Dalai Lama. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 01:12 PM Hey Dtrouble!!! Are you a complete and utter idiot???? Posted by: think a little bit at November 29, 2005 01:14 PM If justice is NOT done, and they murder Tookie on December 13th, I am calling on all my People (of every class and color) to refrain from reacting violently. This will get us nowhere. Let us try to follow the path of nonviolence. Let us try to change and improve the legal system so that it gives fair and adequate representation to ALL people. Until then, I am sending out love and respect to all who DARE to stand up for the righteous and the oppressed. JUSTICE, JUSTICE, JUSTICE. Peace. Om mani padme hum. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 01:28 PM Our country was founded on the principles of REVOLUTION. Remember that. Think. Act. Do the right thing. Now. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 01:36 PM For the record: this is NOT about race. This is about justice. There IS no gene for race. There are genetic markers for specific ethnic traits, but every human being has the SAME genetic-code, regardless of their ethnicity. The scientific reality is that there is no such thing as "whiteness" or "blackness". These are concepts we invented to create separation and hierarchy. We are all, LITERALLY, related to eachother, part of the SAME genetic family. Stop seeing color and start seeing the truth. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 01:48 PM It is sad to see so many sick and evil people out there.How could you support a gang member who killed 4 inocent people.How in the world could they nominate a killer for a noble peace prize.I am sure tookie killed more than 4 people.We just know about 4.I could see why snoop dog support him.snoop is a killer alo.They just did not find him guilty Posted by: William at November 29, 2005 01:58 PM I dont know whom you speak or reference to goddess. However this isnt a question of race, I agree. Its a question of morality. Tookie Williams was a man who chose to lead the blind into tyranny. I fully agree that people should have a second chance, and the way the system is set up, most convicts released from prison end up right back. This should be the focus of your concern if it is indeed justice. Not for the freedom of a man who has murdered and profitted by selling drugs.....Sorry goddess but your wrong!!! Posted by: think a little bit at November 29, 2005 02:03 PM It is sad to see so many people out there DO NOT READ! The official transcript of Tookie's trial is available to anyone on the net. Read it and you will find that it does NOT prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Williams is guilty of any of the four murders. In this country, we have to PROVE someone is guilty before we put them to death! You say you are "sure" Tookie killed "more than 4 people". You're SURE? You have PROOF? If someone said they were "sure" that YOU had killed a bunch of people and they had no proof, what would you do? Sue for slander? And if they wanted to execute you without PROVING that you had killed anyone, what would you do? Get a lawyer and fight for your life in court? Of course you would. That is your right as a citizen. AND IT IS TOOKIE'S RIGHT, ALSO. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 02:17 PM I think that he should get the death penaly no matter what he is doing right know. For the people that is supporting it you would not know how it feels until someone like him take your loved ones life Posted by: tb at November 29, 2005 02:17 PM yes Stanly "tookie" Williams founder of the crip gang on the westside. Ya'll want tookie to die cuz he was a gang member don't talk about him if you didn't see the movie redemption. Posted by: Anthony at November 29, 2005 02:22 PM I agree with think a little bit it is not about race it is about justice. Once you let a criminal out of the system they turn around and commit another crime. Just get it over with and stop wasting tax payers money. Go feed and shelter the homeless with it. Goddess I will pray for you. God Blesses you all Posted by: tb at November 29, 2005 02:26 PM I have lost a loved-one to violence, so I do know how it feels. And remember, when we say "FREE TOOKIE", we want him free from execution, not prison. Due to the outcome of his trial, even if he is given clemency he will still serve the rest of his life in prison without the possibility of parole! Although the trial was unjust and corrupt, it is probably irreversible. He will never walk among us again. But we must not allow him to be KILLED for murders he DID NOT COMMIT to satisfy our lust for vengeance. That is not the American way. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 02:37 PM It costs more to house a prisoner on Death Row and eventually execute him than it does to incarcerate a prisoner for the duration of his natural life. And it has been proven time and time again that the death penalty is NOT a deterrent to murderers, in fact murder-rates are LOWER in places where there is NO death penalty. I will pray for you also, "tb". Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 02:45 PM Why let him live? let him come and live with you since he has changed.Exactly, it does cost more to house a prisoner on death row that is why when they committ the crime they should go on and execute them than to just waste the tax payers money. They shouldn't even have the priviledge to be educated since the victims didnt have a chance. Just trial them and then execute them. Kill them the same way they killed their victims. I dont even care about tookie writing books for kids he should have thought about that 20 year ago. He wouldn't even be in this predicament right now if he thought about it centuries ago. God Bless. Peace Posted by: tb at November 29, 2005 03:06 PM See thats where you are wrong goddess. It is the American way to lust for vengeance, in fact its the human way. Everyone wants to see rightful justice to those who have committed wrong. As I can imagine you did when this person killed a loved one. You cannot tell me you didnt thirst for vengeance and justice. And the thought of your loved ones killers' having supporters, how would you feel? How would you feel if your loved ones killers' had more sympathy than that of your innocent loved one? How would you feel if this person whom you loved, was killed in cold blood, only to have theyre memory tainted by an egotistical murderer. How do you feel? Cause if someone I loved was taken from me, for reasons of only profit. I would say fry!! FRY! Posted by: think a little bit at November 29, 2005 03:16 PM My uncle was a family-man and a physician in the 1970's. He was walking to his car early one evening, and he was stopped by local police because he "fit the profile" of an African American man they were looking for. As he reached for his wallet to show them his I.D., they freaked out and shot him dead ( they claimed they thought he was reaching for a weapon ). None of the officers involved was ever punished in any way for this. None of them even lost their jobs. This broke my heart. I will never forget it. But if these officers HAD been tried and convicted of murdering my uncle, I would not want them put to death. I would want them to spend the rest of their natural lives in prison having to FACE the horrible thing they did EVERY SINGLE DAY. Putting them to death would not bring me a sense of peace and would not bring my uncle back. Vengeance is NOT the American way, or the natural human condition. If you believe revenge can solve anything, you are lost. We have to be more highly evolved than that. We have to be BETTER than that. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 03:31 PM Well my sister and two of her friends was killed in cold blood. They were bound together shot and then burned up. Another victim that lived was also burned severely bad. I forgave the prisoner but I will never forget that my sister didnt even have the chance to have kids or go to college. Know he is saying that he is saved and also that he is mentally retarded. I dont give a damn what he is he needs to die for what he has done. He was not mental when he committed the crime now why should he live. Same as for Tookie he wants to say "save him", he should have saved the victims and their families. Fry the Bastard. I want the world to get rid of all the inmates that are on death row. Posted by: tb at November 29, 2005 03:39 PM I have deep compassion for you after what happened to your sister. But your constant anger will not do a thing to stop maniacs like the man who killed her. He would love to see you spend the rest of your life paralyzed by your own rage and lust for revenge. Don't give him the satisfaction. Refuse to give one more moment of your time to thinking about his life or his death. Use the time to do things in honor of your sister's memory--positive things. Work for justice. Help others who are worthy of your time. I know you know better. So BE better. Thanks for sharing your story. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 03:52 PM Bottom line..he should die. At least he will be killed in a peaceful way. His victims didn't have the opportunity. They were killed scared. He killed, he should be killed. A killer doesn't deserve a second chance..never, never never! Those 4 people can't get a second chance on life why should the person who took their lives deserve a second chance? Because he wrote books??? We don't need his children's books, we already have a Dr. Suess. Die Tookie, Die. Posted by: CC at November 29, 2005 03:55 PM Yes, on December 13th, you may get your wish. The State of California may execute Tookie Williams for four murders he did not commit. This will not bring those four victims back to life. This will not improve the lives of their surviving loved-ones or bring them any true peace. And God will be watching us. I'm not trying to convince any of you. I know you've already decided that he is guilty. ( Although I haven't heard one of you say that you've actually READ the transcript of his trial--very interesting ). You're entitled to your blindness and rage. Hope it keeps you warm at night. I choose the truth. I choose to follow the teachings of holy men: Christ, Buddha, Gandhi. No amount of your anger or profanity can change things. Justice will be done. If not now, then in the Hereafter. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 04:34 PM The most sad and tragic thing about this whole scenerio is that it took so many years to finally put a convicted killer to death. Perhaps the death of a "famous" captive is better to deter future assailants of the same persuasion, at least more so than a childrens book. Posted by: Jimmy Barnes at November 29, 2005 04:42 PM Right on Goddes!My uncle wasn't SHOT he was STABBED to death,like Goddes say i wouldn`t put him up to death,cuz i want him to think every day what he done want him to feel horrible...and like someone said about the menendez boys,just because there white and rich,they didn`t get a execution,they admit the killed their parents!and tookie a black man who kept his innocence,you want to kill?you see it clearly it`s about white and black...Goddes where can i see all about tookie`s file? Posted by: Christy at November 29, 2005 04:46 PM My hope for all of you is this: whether you are the most disgusting gang-member alive or the most wonderful citizen alive, I hope you experience justice in this country. If you are ever arrested and brought to court for a crime you did not commit, I hope the judge is not a racist. I hope you can afford a brilliant defense attorney. I hope you are provided a jury of your peers. I hope your past mistakes are not used against you to convict you of something you did not do in the present. And if you are unjustly convicted and sentenced to die, I hope SOMEONE, ANYONE is brave enough to stand up for you and try to save your life. Because we are all supposed to be entitled to these basic rights in this country. ALL OF US. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 04:48 PM Cristy: Hey, girl! Go to "www.tookie.com". There are also lots of other related websites where you can find copies of his trial transcript. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 04:51 PM He wrote books,that means something!he didn`t write a fairy tale or something,he wrote what he knows,what he gone through! Posted by: Christy at November 29, 2005 04:51 PM WELL GOOD FOR YOU GODDESS. I STILL WANT HIM PUT TO DEATH. MAYBE HE SHOULD HAVE SAVED UP ENOUGH MONEY TO GET HIM A GOOD LAWYER. BY THE WAY I AM BLACK AMERICAN. THE JUSTICE SYSTEM SHOULD PREVAIL AND KILL THOSE WHO KILLED. I DONT KNOW IF HE IS INNOCENT OR NOT BUT IF HE IS HE WOULD GET OUT OF IT. HE MUST NOT BE INNOCENT BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT BE BEHIND BARS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Posted by: tb at November 29, 2005 04:56 PM Thank you Goddes,and am all out of what you wrote for the gang members,i would stand up and i am NOT afraid to stand up,because it`s not fair! Posted by: christy at November 29, 2005 04:59 PM Plenty of innocent American men and women have been put behind bars. Remember Martin Luther King, Jr.? He was incarcerated in the Birmingham jail for standing up for peace and justice. Remember Rosa Parks? She was incarcerated for refusing to give up her seat to a White man and breaking an unjust "law". The fact that you say you're a Black American is irrelevant. Fear and ignorance know no color. Peace. JUSTICE FOR TOOKIE. JUSTICE FOR ALL OPPRESSED PEOPLE. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 05:08 PM Yeah enough AUTHORS?When someone writes about seomthing,about reality,about what happends around us,THE BEST AUTHORS are the one`s who had gone trough it!they know what it`s like,they know what the felt,got it?aint no other author who can write better then the one who had gone trough it!I know,i write a lot about everything i gone trough,put it next to someone else who didn`t go trough what i gone trough,you see that mine is the best,why?because an author write out of their hearts and mind and expierience!!hope yo get what i mean!! Posted by: Christy at November 29, 2005 05:15 PM "These are dangerous days. To say what you feel is to make your own grave." --Sinead O'Connor Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 05:17 PM Well all you are talking about is racist remarks and some type of buddha worship. I worship the jesus christ and god. God loved everyone no matter what the color of their skin. Tookie should die for his sins. Justice for you also to look past money and skin color. Look for justice for the victims family. Let him be put to rest as he did someone else Posted by: tb at November 29, 2005 05:18 PM i dont know why everyone just will not tell the truth. blacks are upset about the way america makes a big deal when it comes to blacks. death row is full of every kind of race that have committed horrific crimes. crimes that make this one look simple. from what i hear there are many flaws in the case no one in the jury was black. a jury is suppose to be of your peers. anyway, we all know that there is so much jealousy against blacks. some of you don't even know why you don't like black people you just hate cause that is all you know. tookie williams deserves a fair trial, which is very hard for a black person to get in america and if he is guilty and they do kill him, every other murderer on death row should be going also, white, black, brown whatever if that is the case. to the blacks be proud of your color because some just hate us because they are jealous. NO ONE CAN TRACE THEIR HISTORY BACK AS FAR AS US. AND TO ANY HATERS YOU CAME FROM BLACK BECAUSE WE WALKED THIS EARTH FIRST. I DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR YOU ARE YOU CAME FROM US THE FIRST MAN. EVERY TIME YOU SHOW HATE I LAUGH BECAUSE THAT LET'S ME KNOW THAT I AM STILL A STEP AHEAD OF YOU. INSTEAD OF HATING BLACKS YOU BETTER WATCH BIN LADEN & SAADAAM THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE OUT TO GET YOU, AND IF YOU DON'T STOP AND PAY ATTENTION THEY ARE GOING TO STICK IT TO AMERICA WHERE IT HURTS. Posted by: tee at November 29, 2005 05:19 PM why would I want to read a book from a criminal. I love that he wrote books to stop violence but maybe that one person would might want to be just like him and copy and try to get the same reaction from yall so he dont have to die. That person might as well go around and shoot someone so he dont have to die and then write him a book so the next criminal can read it and do the same. It will circulate throughout generations until the lord is ready to kill off the entire world Posted by: tb at November 29, 2005 05:22 PM I admit he does deserve a fair trial but if he committed the crime he needs to die Posted by: tb at November 29, 2005 05:26 PM "tee": You are VERY brave to bring this up, Brother! There are a lot of scared, angry people out there who cannot cope with the fact that the entire human race can trace its geneology back to Africa! Because this means that not only are we all related, ( according to the "one drop of Black blood" rule established in this country years ago ) we are all originally Black! That is a very revolutionary thought, and most people cannot fathom it or handle it at all. JUSTICE FOR TOOKIE. JUSTICE FOR ALL OPPRESSED PEOPLE OF ALL COLORS. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 05:29 PM "tb"--I am STUNNED that you admit that Tookie deserves a fair trial!! Wow--I'm proud of you. Yes, if he is ever given a fair trial ( he has not had one yet ), and he is convicted FAIRLY and BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, then he needs to spend the rest of his life behind bars. As I said before, killing him will accomplish NOTHING. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 05:35 PM Now it becomes clear: if the State of California executes Tookie before they have given him a new FAIR trial, they may be killing an innocent man! It is not about Tookie's Nobel prize nominations. It is not about his personality, his books or his past. This is a problem for all residents of California, because this execution will be carried out IN OUR NAMES, using our tax dollars. And we will all be guilty by association of putting a man to death before he has had DUE PROCESS of the law. I will not rest easy if this is done in my name. I expect better behavior from our legal system, our Governor and our country. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 05:49 PM TEE like GODDES said you are very brave!I am white,but i respect the black people,i got nothing against them!I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE! Posted by: Christy at November 29, 2005 05:53 PM "Christy": we need more Americans like you. You are an honorary Sister! Welcome to the family, girl! Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 06:10 PM Fry Tookie!! Fry that son of a bitch!!! Posted by: FryTookie at November 29, 2005 07:05 PM it's funny how we judge others.Those people who believe in Jesus, god, savior,compassion, forgiving, how do we make a unforgiving statement about sentencing him to die. How about the fomous line "he who has no sin throw the first stone".Jesus said repent so that your father can forgive you.Which is what I think Tookie Williams has done. Think whats easier to die or to continue to live in prison. Prison itself is death you are most of the time isolated. People talk about justice for the family victims. Do you really think justice is serve by killing a repented soul.Should you say to god have mercy for my sins and god should say to you justice regardless what your sin may be. Dont question Tookie sin question yours. God should also do with all of us we all put a innocent man to die. Just incase you guys dont know we to are murders, by putting Jesus on the cross by are daily sins.Funny how you to would want mercy from god. Posted by: rick at November 29, 2005 07:19 PM Once again, there's a lot of nonsense posted here about how "unfair" tookie's trial was. TOOKIE WILLIAMS ADMITS THAT HE KILLED ALL THOSE PEOPLE, HE DOES NOT DENY IT. Don't insult us by whining about his trial, he did it, he says he did it, so what's everybody acting up about? Posted by: Cliff Yablonski at November 29, 2005 07:27 PM It's GOD'S job to forgive. It's our job to arrange the meeting. Posted by: FryTookie at November 29, 2005 07:31 PM Are you kidding me? This guy is the "CO-FOUNDER" of one the most violent and destructive gangs known to man! Not only is he guilty of the murders he directly committed...but he is the "Co-Murderer" of all the other that were killed by a "Crip" and he's also guilty of the rapes, theft, beatings, and drug trafficing that the Crips have brought to humanity. So I say no way does he deserve clemency, he deserves the punishment that comes with his crimes...death. Posted by: CN at November 29, 2005 08:08 PM Show us your PROOF that "Tookie admits that he killed all those people." YOU CAN'T. Because he did not admit it. Because he did not do it. You believe in truth and justice? Then stop lying to everyone and yourself. You can't just pretend you "know" he's guilty because you want it to be so. Maybe you're just not bright enough to understand this, but Tookie will never be free, even if he is given clemency. So,you can relax. That's one less Black Brother walking the face of the Earth. Check your facts before you speak--Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 08:18 PM There was a time in this country when people were lynched, shot, whipped, imprisoned and burned-alive for belonging to the "wrong" religious, ethnic or racial group. Lynchings were usually public, and people would bring their children to cheer and watch while the victim was brutalized and murdered. This kind of thing was still going on in the South as recently as the 1980's ( that's right, I said the 1980's, not the 1880's ). Whether or not the victim was "guilty" or "innocent" of the crime in question was not the issue--some people simply ENJOYED watching the victim SUFFER. Many of you posting on this site have the same mentality--you don't particularly care whether Tookie committed these murders or not, you just want to see him suffer and DIE. I pity people like you. When will you ever learn? Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 08:31 PM KILL THE NIGGER. Stop feeling sorry for him, he will get fried chicken and watermelon for his last meal per request. His victims didn't get that. KILL THIS GUN TOTING, DRUG DEALING MONKEY. Show kids what happens when you act like a thug. It will do more than his ridiculous children's books. Posted by: Alan at November 29, 2005 08:51 PM http://www.johnandkenshow.com/archives/2005/11/29/tookie-williams-victim-photos/ Go here to see crime scene photos of this asshole's victims. They should hang this son of a bitch. Posted by: Bill at November 29, 2005 09:00 PM I think snoop and jamie and all other people trying to protect him are setting a really fine example for young people who want to stand up for what they believe no matter what others say. I think tookie has shown that he has learned from his mistake and has moved on from that mistake to do bigger and better things and so should everybody else. Everybody makes a mistake but not all people learn from their mistakes. TOOKIE HAS. Posted by: Ebony F. of NJ at November 29, 2005 09:09 PM Tookie has an apology letter out to everybody showing that he knows starting up the crips was not such a good idea. Im not saying he should be let free from what he did but what will killing him do. Nothing. Its more violence on top of the B.S violence we have already. He mitebe guilty, but how many people have killed people and got away. Their not on deathrow. In that case put the whole damn GOVERNMENT on death row. Like Kanye said " they administered aids " . On top of that they get away with so much B.S. The system is corrupt. And we as the people should do something about it. Speak out and Speak up. How can you punish a man who was honest? Tookie Admits he was wrong. Now its the governments turn. Then Punish them. And make them put out an apology letter. The government is responsible for so much crap, yet they get away with it cuz they have a higher position. B.S. If Tookie is put to rest then give the government the same treatment. Law talks about being fair. Its far from it. What they do with this case will show how fair they are. Only time will tell. But WE already Know. Posted by: E at November 29, 2005 09:36 PM How can you say he has learned from his mistakes when he won't admit what he has done? Posted by: Jimmy Barnes at November 29, 2005 09:38 PM "E" Kanye is a moron. How can you follow a persons political belifs who has no political backround what so ever. Has he ever studied political ideology or does he just believe everything he sees on TV? Sounds to me like he is looking for publicity just like after Katrina. Posted by: Jimmy Barnes at November 29, 2005 09:42 PM goddess has really good comments. all of us should time to read them because what she says makes a lot of sense. This is my last comment. EVEN A GUILTY MAN DESERVES FORGIVENESS. All of us have committed a sin or done something wrong (however you wanna put it) but not all of us can admit to our crime/sin/wrong (whatever). The least the law can do is let him finish out his life in jail. But dont kill a man who is trying to influence children today to stay away from gangs. Posted by: E at November 29, 2005 09:46 PM : tee you say we came from blacks?..Where do you get that? I came from GOD! Goddess you keep telling everyone that Tookie is innocent then you tell us to prove that he's not innocent, well I say the same to you, you prove he's not guilty! A court and 12 jurors found him guilty, not I dont care what you say they saw all the evidence and found him guilty on 4 counts of 1st degree murder..The sentence is Death and thats what should and will be carried out.. You have no proff to show he's innocent and he has had 25 years to show other wise and still hasn't so there for the courts have found him guilty and thats it. Stop your bitching AND quoting every " good" person you can think of.." Well punk, going to make a move?' Clint eastwood! Im tired of Blacks destroying there own people, they want to blame Bush for huricanes now?>.Please this is just as crazy as it gets, the minister Farracoon is keeping his people living in the past so he himself has a futcher. He dont care about the black people, there are a lot of good honest blacks, but then you have these little thugs and farracoons running around blaming whitey for everything wrong with the world. I hope blacks stop wondering why whites are getting so sick of this crap, in the US blacks make up 13% of the populatoin and whites 76%, yet blacks commit over 60%of all violent crimes in the USA. How can a people of 13% do so much damage?>.Why would the rest of us trust blacks when a huge % of the violent crimes are done by them?How do we know which blacks to trust? this is a fair question and I would love to hear one good answer, but I know I will hear its whiteys fault again..This death of tookie will show that Americans both black and white are tired of these gangbangers destroying America..Good Bless America, love it or leave it!! IN other words if you dont like it here get the fuck out!! BTW to those who will say that you were brought here as slaves, let me say you are not 200 years old you have the choice to stay and make this country even better or to go back to africa and start your new life..Either way do one or the other and shut the fuckup! Posted by: justus at November 29, 2005 10:29 PM JUSTICE FOR TOOKIE! JUSTICE FOR ALL OPPRESSED PEOPLE! "E" you are a righteous Brother! PEACE, JUSTICE, TRUTH! This country belongs to each and every one of us! We ALL have the right to disagree, to dissent, to demand change. TOOKIE WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN! Nothing can stop the Movement. We are armed with wisdom and we are never afraid. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 10:46 PM Oh--and just in case you were wondering, "Justus", I'm still ignoring you. And I realize you've falling deeply in love with me, but I cannot return your feelings. I already have a man. I'm sure you'll meet some nice girl at your next Klan meeting. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 10:54 PM I think it's time to quote another good person. Here we go: "I have one abiding religion--human liberty." --Wole Soyinka. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 11:05 PM I think we should execute more trash like Tookie and all gangbangers. Posted by: David at November 29, 2005 11:06 PM By the way gangs are nothing but scared thugs who would not be able to make it in this world without one of their punk wanna bees. Posted by: David at November 29, 2005 11:08 PM As it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end. NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE. JUSTICE FOR TOOKIE AND ALL OTHER OPPRESSED PEOPLE. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 11:13 PM Well, although African Americans helped build this country, and through their unpaid slave-labor made this the wealthiest nation on the planet, many of us would LOVE to return to our homeland! One little detail, though: many years ago, the government PROMISED us 40 acres of American land ( and a couple of mules ) as compensation for slavery. EACH one of us was promised the land and the mules. The government NEVER kept this promise. So if they will just give each African American the CASH EQUIVALENT of 40 acres of prime American real estate ( they can keep the mules ), we'd be more than happy to charter the next plane to the most beautiful continent on Earth. . .AFRICA! Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 29, 2005 11:29 PM The man did murder 4 people and should die for it no excuse and they need to stop using the racism shit for a cruch for an excuse to murder. So called civil rights group NAACP whats him to live just because he is black but the its ok for them to support Farrakhan and is racist comments about whites as he says (WHITE DEVILS) and read this to help you understand about blacks and there hate crimes and what they have been getting away with in the last few months and the bid democratic media sweeping it under the rug. AND ITS WRONG AND RACIST! Conservative African Americans charge that liberal civil rights groups lined up to support and participate in Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan's "Millions More Movement" on Saturday, are getting a free pass in terms of media scrutiny. "Farrakhan has said some radical things, and yet the media continues to give him a pass," Shelby Steele, a conservative African American from the Hoover Institute, told Cybercast News Service. Steele believes that liberal civil rights groups and individuals such as the National Urban League, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the NAACP, the Congressional Black Caucus, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, Bill Clinton all of whom are expected to participate in Farrakhan's march on Saturday, should be held accountable for Farrakhan's controversial and allegedly racist statements of the past. Steele said those black representatives should also be asked about Farrakhan's remarks implying that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were the result of a U.S. government conspiracy and that New Orleans levees were intentionally blown up after Hurricane Katrina in order to flood the section of the city housing poor blacks. "[The media] would not give the (conservative) Heritage Foundation a pass like that if the Heritage Foundation identified itself with [former Ku Klux Klan leader] David Duke. The media would be all over it, but they are not with Farrakhan," Steele said. Jesse Lee Peterson, the founder and president of the conservative African American group Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND), also slammed the media for not scrutinizing the liberal civil rights groups affiliated with Farrakhan's march. "[The media is] giving them a pass and they have done that for the last 40 years or so. If [the liberal civil rights groups] were white people and a white organization was saying the same things, the media would not give them that much support. But because they are black, they are allowed to get away with it," Peterson told Cybercast News Service. "Just as we would treat the Ku Klux Klan if they had a rally, in the same manner we should treat Louis Farrakhan and the so called Millions More Movement, because all he is doing is drawing in angry young folks and older people and building on that anger and dividing the races in America," Peterson explained. Peterson has labeled Farrakhan an "American Hitler" in his book "Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America." 'Too white' Farrakhan, while speaking at the National Press Club Thursday in Washington, D.C., indicated that the liberal civil rights groups participating in Saturday's march had expressed no objections to his controversial remarks. Among other things, Farrakhan suggested that black Americans should not donate hurricane relief money to the American Red Cross because the organization was "too white." "No, no one has, [expressed unease]" Farrakhan responded. "And there is a reason that they have not," he added, explaining that the liberal groups agree with him about the need to monitor relief organizations in New Orleans, whose workers lack sensitivity toward minorities, according to Farrakhan. "The NAACP, the [National] Urban League, and a host of black leaders, met in Washington D.C. at Howard University, called by Mr. Bruce Gordon of the NAACP [and] Mr. Marc Morial of the [National] Urban League," Farrakhan continued. "And they want FEMA to be monitored. They want the Red Cross, the United Way, all of these that have received so much from the compassion of the American people. Where will that money go?" Farrakhan asked. Several members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) are scheduled to participate in Saturday's march, including CBC chairman and U.S. Rep. Melvin Watt, a North Carolina Democrat, Rep. Charles Rangel, a New York Democrat and Rep. Albert Wynn, a Maryland Democrat. A CBC spokeswoman refused comment when asked about Farrakhan's controversial remarks. The National Urban League also refrained from commenting. The NAACP only indicated that it would have a "contingent of people at Farrakhan's event Saturday." Calls to the Southern Christian Leadership Conference were not returned by press time. Farrakhan and his followers on Saturday will commemorate the 10th anniversary of the 1995 Million Man March in Washington, which by most estimates at the time, attracted far fewer than the one million people Farrakhan had and here is another one check thi out!
Kamau Kambon, C-SPAN, Oct. 14 The following is an extract from a speech by black activist Kamau Kambon on C-SPAN’s “Black Media Forum on Image of Black Americans in Mainstream Media,” which was broadcast on Oct. 14.
“Now how do I know that the white people know that we are going to come up with a solution to the problem. I know it because they have retina scans, racial profiling, DNA banks, and they’re monitoring our people to try to prevent the ONE person from coming up with the ONE idea. And the one idea is, how we are going to exterminate white people because that in my estimation is the only conclusion I have come to. We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet to solve the problem. [tepid applause] Now I don’t care whether you clap or not but I’m saying to you that we need to solve this problem because they are going to kill us. And I will leave on that. So we just have to set up our own system and stop playing and get very serious and not get diverted from coming up with a solution to the problem and the problem on the planet is white people.” Listen to the whole speech on C-SPAN. (It begins at 3:33:00) http://amren.com/exterminate.mp3 Look at what happend to Bill Bennet after his comments was taking outa text and made to sound racist. IT WAS ALL OVER THE NEWS. But yet when blacks make threats agianst whites its covered up. and alot more to post but i dont want to make this too long but it needs to be delt with. People they are crazy and the democratic goverment is backing these sick racist people who want to kill whites and they are getting away with these everyday we dont speak out. Posted by: BigDick Daddy at November 29, 2005 11:45 PM Goddess, since you are obviously one of the most ignorant people on this continent, I'll make a deal with you: YOU go back to Africa, and I'LL help you pack. Posted by: FryTookie AND Mumia at November 29, 2005 11:54 PM "EACH one of us was promised the land and the mules." Exactly which government agency promised YOU a mule? Posted by: Fry Tookie at November 30, 2005 12:02 AM Or maybe all the bigots in this country could get together and go back to Europe (or Mars ) or wherever bigots belong. Then they could raise a bunch of bigoted children and start a race of "PURE BIGOTS" without any interference from the rest of us. Wouldn't that be great? We would really appreciate it. And just think, every day in "BIGOTLAND" could be "White History Day". And they'd never have to celebrate Black History Month, or Martin Luther King's Birthday, or share their drinking fountains or bathrooms with people like us. They could wear white robes and burn crosses all over town ( for old-times' sake ) and listen to "OY" music and have big, loud skinhead parties every day of the week! Oh, boy! Of course, they couldn't have any stop-lights or clocks or heart-transplants because WE African Americans invented those things. And definitely no peanut butter ( that's our invention, too ). Just think of it! They'd be able to walk around telling offensive racist jokes and maybe even wearing black-face and performing minstrel shows. But, of course, none of it would be quite as much fun because there would be nobody to offend. . .oh, well. Why not give it a try anyway? After all, it's what they've always wanted. And we'd be HAPPY to see them go. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 30, 2005 12:06 AM I'm so sorry for my rant. You'll have to excuse me. I'm just an ignorant bitch who doesn't know when to shut my cum receptacle. Posted by: goddess at November 30, 2005 12:13 AM "Fry Tookie"--like I told "Justus", I already have a man! You poor, deluded thing. Don't worry, I know you think you're in love with me now, but you'll get over me in time. Why don't you join "Justus" at the Klan meeting and you can BOTH find a couple of nice girls to help you forget about me. You're just not my type. Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 30, 2005 12:13 AM Look at that--an intelligent woman has got you ALL WORKED UP AND OUT OF CONTROL. I've driven you bigots CRAZY. I LOVE IT. Well, I'm bored with you now. Back to more important things: JUSTICE FOR TOOKIE! JUSTICE FOR TOOKIE! PEACE AND FREEDOM! Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 30, 2005 12:19 AM ""Fry Tookie"--like I told "Justus", I already have a man!" Lady, I wouldn't fuck you with a stolen dick. My condolences to your "man". Oh and here is some free advice: learn to tell the difference between when someone is hitting on you and when they are laughing at your ignorance. I mean, if this is how men hit on you, then your "man" must be a real classy guy. *snort* Posted by: FryTookie at November 30, 2005 12:19 AM Let's see you have probably 60+ replies on here ranting and raving about some mule and some land (I don't even wanna know, probably some deranged sexual fantasy, or maybe her man is really a mule), we reply laughing our asses off at your ignorance, and we have driven you crazy? Wow, seems like you are just another welfare queen toking on the crack pipe. Again, my condolences. Posted by: FryTookie at November 30, 2005 12:23 AM Fry that worthless scum. His excuse is like killing someone when your drunk and then waking with a hangover and saying "Man I shouldn't a dun dat" Posted by: JUSTICE at November 30, 2005 12:31 AM I'm sorry. You're very charming, but I HAVE A MAN. I cannot date you. And here's a little hint: YOU PAY YOUR TAXES TO MY MAN. He has a job you could only dream of having. And I don't mean welfare. And here's another little hint: YOU PAY YOUR TAXES TO ME. And I still don't mean welfare. You have no idea who you're dealing with. But every time you freak out and start ranting and losing your cool, I AM LOVING IT!!! Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 30, 2005 12:33 AM SEE???!?!?!??! I'VE DRIVEN ALL THE MAN CCCCCRAAAZZZZYYY!!!!!! I MEAN....I'M TYPING IN ALL CAPS.....AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!!!!!! IT MEANS THEY ARE ALL CRAZY!!!! I'M DRIVING THEM NUTS!!!!!
I'M SO ATTRACTIVE!!! Posted by: goddess at November 30, 2005 12:37 AM JUSTICE FOR TOOKIE! JUSTICE FOR ALL OPPRESSED PEOPLE EVERYWHERE! Peace. Posted by: goddess at November 30, 2005 12:37 AM Sorry hon, but I'm not into the Aunt Jemima type. I hope I let you down easy. Posted by: Fry Tookie at November 30, 2005 12:38 AM The one thing dont nobody understand is that everything around us has something to do with a group or gang of people on earth trying to live.If everybody working on killing Stanley "Tookie" Williams well he commited a crime,but your also doing as well if you agree upon this.Killing another human being for doing something thats already going to happen because of the way of lif |