November 16, 2005

Air America Firing Marc Maron

I'm a little late on this, but it looks like Marc Maron is gone from Air America? Apparently being replaced by Mark Riley from 5-7 and Rachel Maddow from 7-9.

No disrespect to Riley or Maddow, but this is a bonehead move by AAR boss Danny Goldberg and whoever else is in charge there. Maron was the best on-air presence they had, at least in the regular weekly shows. And that's coming from a contributor to the show that competes against him on WBAI, but I gotta give props where they are due.

On second thought, I should be happy our competition is playing themselves. Forget what I just said, this is a great move, Goldberg! And you should give Jerry Springer even more airtime, while you're at it!

Posted by jsmooth995 at November 16, 2005 07:34 PM
Comments

I cannot believe Mark Maron is being let go from Air America. No disrespect to Mark Riley who I belive has a wonderful command of the issues, but it is Mark Maron whom I love to hear in the a.m. Acutally I love to hear both of them together. They complement each other. Why do people do what they do especially in the corporate world? It defies logic. Rachel Maddow is brilliant and I am glad there is a spot for her in a better time slot but she does not have the charisma that Mark Maron has. Goldberg, what are you smoking? Bring back Mark Maron!!!

Posted by: Natalie Rosen at November 22, 2005 07:42 AM

are you serious?

Posted by: lisa at November 23, 2005 08:16 AM

you say 'no disrespect,' yet that's what you do. You call yourself 'hiphop' yet you publish an open dis to a radio vet who was the pioneer to have guests on his show to discuss hiphop. You defend a guy like Maron, who fights every day to make sure black folks are tossed a bone as an afterthought. Yeah, maybe you ARE being tru to hiphop if all you wanna do is 'hate just for the sake of it. Do your homework before you go posting stuff on the Internet and misleading others. Or better still, go ask hip hop legend Chuck D who his mentor is. I doubt he'll say Marc Maron!

Posted by: lisa at November 23, 2005 08:24 AM

Mark Maron was without doubt the best host on Air America. He is sharp and satircal without being whiny (a stylistic vein Al Franken should get more into)and he stays out of the hate mongering pedalled by Malloy.

As far as Maron throwing "black people a bone..." as you put it, in cse you haven't noticed racism is alive and well all over this country, Marc Maron is the last person you need to take issue with on the racism score. The simple an ugly truth is that all people, black and white, brown and red, are "racist" to some degree, and maybe the problem isn't with Maron, it's with you.

There is such a thing as being offended, and there's another thing called TAKING offense. I'm tired of some people screaming "racist" when something is requoted out of context, or when not every show ( The Daily Show, The News, Saturday Night Live, etc.. etc. ) had the exact proportion of 13% blck ( or african american) employees.

If I was offended everytime someone said something hateful about race, or religion, I would never get anything done.

Some of my friends call me "Niggah", or say
"Niggah". It doesn't bother me becasue I know their heart is in the right place. Everything I've ever heard about Maron, and everything I've heard him say, I believe his heart is also in the right place. Judging from your post, your heart is not in the right place. It's all about you, how YOU were offended...Well there's bigger fish to fry, and Mark Maron is doing a great job frying them. Do us all a favor and stay out of the way.

Posted by: daniel at November 28, 2005 08:15 AM

I have had it with AIR AMERICA. MORNING SEDITION
IS THE BEST SHOW ON THIS STATION(EXCLUDING RANDI
RHODES). I can't imagine what Danny Goldberg it
thinking. Mark Riley is good, but no comparison
to Mark Maron. The show has all the elements that
are needed , humor, political discussions, a young
and older persons format. They should get rid of
some of the other hosts. They are just BORING.
I'M VERY UPSET!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Elaine Nelson at November 28, 2005 11:21 AM

To each his/her own, obviously.

I, for one, will not miss Maron, at least on Morning Sedition. I find him painful to listen to in its format.

As a standup comic I can easily imagine being entertained by his wry cynicism and razor wit. But on Morning Sedition, a show on which comedy is merely the seasoning for substantive topical issues, I find him way out of his depth and, frankly, embarrassing. He seems to have little grasp of the chewy subject matter beyond which team to root for and against--progressives yeah! right-wingers boo! Other than that he clearly recites rote from scripts he seems to have trouble reading and, even worse, is so often tied-tongue, flubbing his speech that I cringe and often wind up missing the point. When he tries to speak extemporaneously on topic, he is frequently mistaken in his "facts."

I sincerely wish Marc Maron what he richly deserves: a vehicle suited to his unique talents.

OTOH, I will eagerly tune in for Riley or Rachel Maddow, among some of the other on-air talent I enjoy, wherever they turn up in this shuffle.

Cari

Posted by: Cari at November 28, 2005 04:44 PM

hey, this is how good things turn bad, with the homoginizing of talent. look at snl, they have gotten worse and worse over the years. how often do you see good bands last? there is always some poor
"no talent ass clown" in charge, and if you don't kiss his ass the right way they will use thier power against you, even though it is (in this case) in the stations best interest to keep Maron in there, needless to say maybe being bumped up into a better slot, how about taking frankins slot when he runs for senate? the other members of AAR need to really question this guys decision on axing Maron. look at the numbers of the rating, and or question the direction you are trying to take the station. the funny thing about the radical right is that they have no sence of humor and now you are going to turn the morning drive into a void for what i think are millions of listeners of morning sedition. i mean if you got a beef with Maron than you need to get over with it. on the other hand if Maron is leaving because of money than he needs to suck it up for the cause. everyone there should be making equal, and get over it. this is a cause not a showboat. finally, danny goldberg better be carl rove and know what he is doing because there is alot more riding on this than just his shollow ego. personally i think he doesn't have a clue and needs to resign just for thinking about losing Maron. by the way, has anyone questioned goldberg's motives? -b

Posted by: ren at November 28, 2005 08:14 PM

Perhaps I'm mistaken but I seriously doubt that this has anything to do with Maron's being given the boot. It's been dragging on for too long. There are no "negotiations" when one is being relieved of his job - one day you're there and the next you're not. No negotiations, no soliciting e-mail campaigns, usually.

I've assumed Maron is demanding a salary increase beyond what management assesses his contribution to be in relation to the other talent. The fact that Riley's never uttered a word on the matter solidified in my mind that money was the issue. That being the case, one either accepts what's being offered or moves to where he commands what he feels he deserves. Hard to label either side the culprit in such situations.

It's usually nothing personal, just business.

Cari

Posted by: Cari at November 28, 2005 08:50 PM

I can understand there are people who like Marc Maron and his brand of humor. There are people who even like Pauly Shore. But I don't get it. He may make a clever statement now and then, but the guy is just a jerk to me. Awhile back, someone called Morning Sedition "frat humor." I don't think it rising even to that level. Maron is a self aggrandizing, smarmy idiot. You don't have to worry about whether something is funny or not because he's going to tell you all morning how funny his bits really are. I thank him for that because I never laugh at anything he says. Thank god he's leaving Air America.

Posted by: Glenn Williams at November 30, 2005 06:55 AM

Maron is a hard sell for a drive time news show. Personally, I think AA will do well to keep providing something for everyone, and Maron definitely fit the straight white guy wanna be beatnik thing, but as for the issues, he was in over his head. Morning Sedition may have worked better if they simply let Maron play second to Riley's substance.

Also, it is about time AA got real with diversity, and I hardly think it's a loss to toss up a white guy for a bit of racial and sexual diversity. Oh, sheeple get over it, he's a white guy of privilege. He'll survive. They always do.

Posted by: Deeder at December 1, 2005 08:29 AM

He's not funny all the time, but there are times when he is. The other 21 hours of the day we can listen to self-righteous bores speak the mind (and I'm a liberal!). During my morning drive, I want to be informed AND entertained. The latter will definitely be missing.

Posted by: Mike at December 2, 2005 07:31 AM

Marc made me laugh on my morning drive. I liked the combo of frivolity and serious issues. I don't agree about the diversity issue, as a black woman, I could use a laugh, regardless of who delivers it. Marc did not take himself too seriously, he always recognized that his job was to provide the listening audience with a good laugh. And Mark Riley was there to explain the issues in a succinct way. Mark Riley and Rachel Maddow together? What a snore!

Posted by: Chantal at December 2, 2005 12:02 PM

I can't believe that Mar Maron will no be on anymore. It seems as though any one who
reveals the truth about the Bush Administration sooner or later get the ax. This country is not a democratic country , is it.

People like Maron tells America what they need to know , The news is not sugarcoated
to appease anyone, it is what it is as it comes
from Marc. I will miss him but I iknow he will
take that spirit of truth about the Bushes and
keep exposing the evils of the administration.


This is sad for Air America

Love u and will miss you

Posted by: Lena Rosalle at December 8, 2005 10:10 AM

I agree with Deeder and Cari

Once Maron is gone, I think I'll tune back in to AAR during my morning drive.

I haven't listened because I was tired of hearing about Marc, Marc's life and the famous people Marc has met

also, if you make your living on the radio, you should be able to CONSISTENTLY speak clearly -- instead of constantly running your words together.

Posted by: pah at December 15, 2005 11:06 AM

I love Mark Riley, I hope his show is great. But Marc Maron (and Randi Rhodes, though I'm less of a fan) make the rest of AAR sound like NPR.

Morning Sedition, with BOTH RILEY AND MARON, was a jewel. It was the only show in AAR (and one of the very few on air at all) that took risks and was unafraid to do things that sometimes didn't work, or were unpolished, or overly wonky, and yes, sometimes offensive. The payoff for taking those risks were week after week of amazing "political theater of the air".

Terrible move for AAR and this comments section just goes to show you that no matter what it is, there are always are some people who don't get it.

Posted by: wow at December 15, 2005 03:04 PM

Does anyone have any information about today's Morning Sedition show 12-15-2005? The show was cut several minutes short ending with a viscious fight between Marc Maron and Goldberg somewhere in the studio. The fight was yanked from the air after a few minutes of back and forth, replaced by the idiotic please stand by music. In the last 2 days of Marc as the host, they've all been live shows. I'm not sure, but the voice of the guy Marc was having it out with sounded like K-Low, but I think it was Goldberg. He called his managing-handlers corporate "kiss-asses", weasels and a few other choice words. With one day left on his contract, were they just putting on a show? As he was starting to fall into a fit, Marc said he had almost nothing to lose... Will he owe the studio $$$$, for not making it to the end of the contract? One day short............... Damn.

Posted by: Wisdom X at December 15, 2005 03:15 PM

Cari:

Yes, you are mistaken.

I know you'd find no point in following a show you loathe, but Maron explicitly said on air that money wasn't an issue -- management didn't give him the chance to even negotiate for a lower salary.

Don't tell me that ratings were an issue -- do you really think that AAR can compete with NPR, on a basis of pure news value, with a single-anchor format, fewer research and journalism resources, and a point of view better served by Democracy Now? If they really wanted to clean house, why not bring in honest-to-God journalists, with reporters around the country, and have them do original stories NPR's too afraid to touch? Please.

And, do let me know when you next get fired from a job or a gig, so no matter how well-regarded you were with fans and co-workers, I can walk by and say, 'it's just business'. Riley just bought a new house and a new car -- if you were in his shoes, a survivor of a brutal, public Reduction in Force, wouldn't you keep your mouth shut while your boss is monitoring you *and* creating a new work position for you? Maybe it's your two-sizes-too-small heart working, but interpreting his diplomatic silence for joy at Maron's departure is one hell of a stretch.

Posted by: blue balaclava at December 16, 2005 10:46 AM

I can't believe you were fired. You are great, and you
kept me and my family listening every morning your
show was on. It was great to get up and laugh as well
as be informed . I really hope that AAR is not selling
out the democratic wing of this left of center channel.
Is the station going centrist on us? You and Riley never
flagged in your progressive spirit. Yours was the show
which made life seem bearable after the bleak result of
election 2004.
I was really moved by your last show, and I strongly
hope you will be back on the air very soon. I love
your sense of humor. You have brought some real
cheer into the lives of many people, kvetching and all.
Take care, Marc Maron , and be back soon!

Posted by: Kathy Fuoco at December 16, 2005 12:19 PM

Actually I am relieved Marc Maron is leaving morning sedition; I much prefer the professionalism of Mark Riley. Maron has to have the WORST radio voice ever with his shouting and taking those deep gulpy breaths with every shout out. He may be a good stand up, but for morning drive he just sucks. Sounds like a kid at a high school debate on too much coffee. Anger just doesn't do it for me - that is why I also have to shut off Randi Rhoades - she must turn off the choir more than any liberal out there. Malloy is crazy but hell, he's entertaining and has a good radio voice!

I love Mark Riley; he sounds and delivers like a professional. Glad you'll still be on.

pamster

Posted by: Pamela at December 16, 2005 01:51 PM

I will sorely miss the Marc and Mark show (Morning Sedition). I originally thought I liked the show mainly because of Maron. When I heard the show w/ only one of the hosts on, I found it lacking regardless. It was then I realized that it worked best for me w/ the two of them together (along w/ the rest of the crew). Part of me does relate to Marc more, but regardless, my mornings are going to be much less joyful. Good luck to both, and I hope to hear more from Marc Maron soon.

Posted by: cj at December 16, 2005 05:20 PM

I loved Marc in the morning. Self-employed I set the alarm for 8:30, then get up at nine. With Morning Sedition, I moved to 8 Am, then 7 AM. I used to be a Howard Stern Fan, and Marc had all that spontaneous reality without the bad taste and the downgrading of willing wormen. I just loved never knowing what would come next, and feeling a personal connection. As a woman, the testosterone never bothered me. It woke me up. God, I'll miss him. Mark and Rachael are fine, but humorless. Too few smiles on the radio.

Posted by: Linda Weltner at December 16, 2005 05:47 PM

I started listening to Morning Sedition since its inception. I orginally was irritated w/Marc Maron b/c of one of the early shows in which he seemed to oppose troop w/drawal from Iraq. But as time progressed, he became more progressive and I LIKED IT. He & Riley (sp) made a great team. Riley was the more knowledgeable and Marc was the more animated. Perfect combination.

I can empathize w/Marc; I've been in the position of being let go for something other than your performance on the job. Undoubtedly, a white man will recover much easier than someone like me (a Black female) but right is right and wrong is wrong. THIS is wrong.

AAR does itself and its listening audience a disservice by allowing petty corporate politics and fragile egos to overrule sound business decisions and moral actions.

Posted by: Loren at December 16, 2005 06:28 PM

Marc Maron gone from morning radio .............just the thought of this is wrong.My mornings won't be the same,Why F with a great show? Maron & Riley really had something special.

Posted by: N.Duane at December 16, 2005 10:49 PM

Marc Maron gone from morning radio .............just the thought of this is wrong.My mornings won't be the same,Why F with a great show? Maron & Riley really had something special.

Posted by: N.Duane at December 16, 2005 10:49 PM

WHAT WILL MARON BE DOING NOW, DOES ANYBODY KNOW, DOES HE HAVE HIS OWN SHOW?

Posted by: steven berdrow at December 17, 2005 01:30 AM

Marc Maron .. If you're reading this, GET YOUR REVENGE! Get a BETTER job.
Yes, yesterday was Howard Stern's last day on terrestrial radio. He's gone to SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO.
Hello?
Hello?
Marc are you listening?
It's not a "coincidence", Marc.
I'll be seeing ya' and HEARING YOU, Marc, on SIRIUS Satellite Radio.
Best wishes, and Good luck.
You're movin' on to BIGGER and BETTER things!!
Watch!
Listen!
Learn!
;>)

Posted by: karenb at December 17, 2005 08:37 AM

Marc Maron will RISE AGAIN!
On SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO!!
SPREAD THE WORD!
CALL SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO and DEMAND Marc Maron!
It's no coincidence folks, that both he and Howard Stern had their "last day" on the same day ... to go to a HIGHER calling!
SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO!!
Best wishes, Marc, and Good Luck.
We'll be hearing you soon on SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO.
Spread the word!

Posted by: karenb at December 17, 2005 08:41 AM

Morning Sedition was terrific because unlike everything else on AAR, it was *FUNNY*. Even Al Franken, whose humor I love, has a dry, if well-produced, radio show. Maron was great, maybe he will be great on his own, but the combo of Marc and Mark was the key thing that made the show work. I don't need another wonkish policy show that sounds like every other AAR show.

Here in Portland, "Morning Sedition" was replaced by a local show several months ago anyway, so we haven't had much Marc & Mark except on weekends (no thanks, I'm not going to getup at 3AM to listen to ANYONE!). But I'll still miss the show.

Posted by: Andrew H at December 18, 2005 04:54 PM

I think that the decision to fire M.Maron was short sighted and will be a longterm mistake. For many of us, the combination of marc and mark was wonderful. I thought that AAR went out on a limb on various levels. It was unique and a real treat for many of us who couldn't listen to the right wind dribble anymore. It now feels like the network has climbed back on that limb, and giving us Jerry Springer. I like Jerry and all that, but the edge of Morning Sedition, Randy Rhodes and Mike Malloy is what gets me back. Not Franken, dare I say. Oh well, change can be good, but I will look forward to listen to Marc, once he settles into his new spot.

Posted by: Susan at December 19, 2005 01:00 AM

There is no doubt Maron is a talented comedian. However, he displayed his personal insecurities on the air way too often and came off as an egomaniac. I also thought there was too much parody and not enough substantive issues. It seemed like Riley was always struggling to get the real meat and potatoes issues out there while competeting with Marc and his silly skits (and yes I did get the skits) I just think they were too much and brought down the level of the program. I wish Marc all the best. He's waaay better than Opie and Anthony and he will find his niche.

Posted by: Shelley20 at December 20, 2005 02:33 AM

word. First Unfiltered and now this. Springer is weak and Franken and Rodes, as good as they are, are preaching to the choir. MS was a great morning gonzo show with a Leftist edge - a great gateway drug for the mind.

Posted by: texastentialist at December 21, 2005 10:51 AM

I think I'm probably much older than any of you but I loved Marc and Mark. I think they were the best of AA. I like Rachael very much but not in place of Maron. The left always manages to screw themselves. Watch the ratings tank in the morning. Geeze, if they had to fire someone, get rid of Springer.

Posted by: Cynthia at December 21, 2005 02:21 PM

I will miss MS. I think I will be watching the rating tank for this time period. AAR was a good project while it lasted. With Franken thinking of running for office. AAR will just become NPR. Which will lull everyone to sleep.

For those of you who feel Maron was no good for this time slot then why were his ratings going up.

For those who stated it was a money issue and the rest of the AAR crew were not backing him up. Listen to the other show and a few of them already have stated how wrong it was. But they did this without offending the higher ups.

Posted by: Jin at December 27, 2005 02:41 PM

Death of a great show. Marc & Mark together had a very special chemistry and intersection of experience (call it racial diversity if you must). There are bits I will remember the rest of my life. They gave me an exhilirating, hopeful glow that carried over to everything that Air America promised, briefly, to be. Loved Pendejo and "The Revolution". Coulda been there with South Park or classic SNL. Bottom line: bad move Danny boy.

Posted by: Lloyd at December 28, 2005 08:21 AM

AAR needs to remember who they're competing with. If Maron is a little extreme, a little off the cuff, and maybe even offensive to some listeners, then good. We need someone to balance out the likes of Limbaugh & Savage. And Maron isn't nearly as extreme as those guys, though he is way funnier.

Posted by: Keri at December 29, 2005 01:00 PM

I'm still pissed. MS had the magic. Jerry Springer's audience is looking for nipples and pubic hair. Lots of double-wides. Lots of class.
AA management needs an anal craniectomy.

Is there any straight scoop on what actually happened that led to him getting canned??

Are we in Northwest Oregon ever to hear Marc again?


Posted by: Fred Sherman at December 29, 2005 02:42 PM

AAR....you really F*@ked up. Riley will just end up putting me back to sleep. I'll pay the 13 bucks to hear Maron on SIRIUS.

Posted by: d gonzalez at January 4, 2006 05:03 AM

Marc Maron was a joy to listen to. I enjoyed his humor. The combination of Riley's substance and Maron's comedy was perfect. It was both informative and entertaining. It made my mornings. I was a Stern fan until I heard Morning Sedition. Marons personality pulled my into the show and as a result, made me take a closer look at liberalsim. I don't know all the facts, but from my perspective, it seems Maron was let go because of personal issues. If so, this is completely unprofessional. If the show was given more time, it deffinately would have progressed into a better show. As it was, the show was gelling well. Simply put, if Marc Maron had a morning show or any other time slot competing against AAR, I'd listen to Maron. I do enjoy AAR as a whole, particularly Jerry Springer and Randi Rhodes. I wish AAR well despite this error in judgement.

Posted by: S. Aponte at January 10, 2006 06:18 AM

Posted by: consolidation debt loan personal unsecured at January 14, 2006 08:02 AM

Like most of you, I am baffled and extremely upset that Air America fired Marc Maron. I have been listening to AAR religiously since the network first launched in 04/2003, and have taken every opportunity to tell others and spread the word about it since then. Is this firing of Maron part of some organizational decision to go "middle of the road" in order to garner a larger share of the morning drive audience? If so, this is a betrayal of the dedicated listenership that has helped make AAR what it is today. Danny Goldberg and the other execs there have made a huge blunder.

Morning Sedition was the best morning show on the radio, because it offered a unique blend of humor, intelligence, and satire, while at the same time addressing the important issues that AAR listeners care about. All of that is gone now. To be fair, I have tried listening to the new morning drive format, with Mark Riley followed by Rachel Maddow, and have found their shows to be lifeless, without any spirit.... a shell of what was once there in that time slot. Although they are competent, they can't hold a candle to Marc Maron. I miss the skits, the creativity, and the spontaneity. What was Danny Goldberg thinking when he made this decision?
Now, I will have go back to listening to Don Imus on the Wfan (New York). At least he is entertaining, if nothing else. I guess we're watching the beginning of the end of AAR. Consider me a former AAR listener, at least as far as the mornings are concerned. And don't expect me to become an Air America Associate any time soon (another joke).

Posted by: Marty at January 16, 2006 11:57 AM

I loved AA in the beginning but got quickly turned off of Maron and Rhodes who are totally egotistical and rude and hardly let their guests and callers get a word in. I stopped listening to morning sedition early on as I became totally bored with Marc Maron talking about his cats during the 2004 election. He got a lot of ctiticism at the time over that and became very defensive on air. I found him rather childish and think Morning Sedition will be much better with Riley/Maddow who are totally profesional and have a grasp of the political issues of the day. Give them a chance and I'm sure they will be a hit in their own right given time. I love Jerry and find him really easy to listen to and have surprisingly (I loathe his TV show) learned a lot from him. I like all the others as well so Good Luck to AA and I promise to listen in more frequently now!!

Posted by: maura at January 18, 2006 12:36 PM

Posted by: cheap generic soma at January 18, 2006 01:38 PM

I really miss M&M. What person doesn't have
problems. He liked to share. I found it refreshing.
Bring them back

Posted by: miss you at February 3, 2006 11:51 PM

Marc/ Maron is back on AA. His new show started on the 28/02/2006. Very funny even for somebody from another country, where the political humour doesn't really matter. I missed Future Mark and Lawton Small... Horray!

Posted by: passingthrough(UK) at March 5, 2006 06:28 AM

After having a hard time adjusting to the change, I've become even more addicted to the Rachel Maddow show than I was to Marc Maron's. I feel like I get a more complete feel for the days stories, which is what I want in the morning. I personally think they should've kept Maron instead or Reilly though, he doesn't have the same excitement on his own. But it's all good, I love the station & I think they're doing a huge service to us all. Part of me can't even believe they've lasted through this administration without being bullied off the air!

Posted by: aaadict at April 14, 2006 03:15 PM

I loved Morning Sedition with both Marc Maron and Mark Riley. Planet Bush was the funniest thing on the radio. Remember Danny Goldberg, Jesus Loves Ya! Deal with it!

Posted by: Robert Hondal at May 9, 2006 06:25 PM

I miss the whole crew of the old Morning Sedition, they worked together like an old fashioned radio show and were funny. It wasn't just Maron, there was Jim Earl (the Cardinal Milfington, Sammy the Stemcell, Morning Remembrance) and the producers Brendan McDonald and I can't remember the others' names.

Riley is good on his own, but with the others it was a blast! Maddow should be on instead of Springer, they've just replaced him down here in FL with Stephanie Miller.

Posted by: Jane at May 26, 2006 05:52 PM

While it was a terrible mistake to get rid of Morning Sedition at least AAR did give Maron a new gig. He's not given the respect he deserves but I'm just happy that he's back on the air along with his cast of characters. I'm totally diggin his new show with Jim Earle. Now that Danny Goldberg is out as the CEO, maybe the new suit will recognize Maron as AAR's top talent. For now, I'll be podcasting.

Posted by: beatnikflowerchild at June 3, 2006 11:38 PM


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