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March 03, 2006Shyne Converts to Judaism? Wasn't He Already Jewish?According to the Post Shyne has recently become Jewish, although I could have sworn he was already Jewish? Looks like the only actual news is that he's changing his name, perhaps to renew his faith, and the Post got confused? But either way, mazeltov! As long as this doesn't end with you hugging up on Rick Santorum or something.. Jailed rapper Shyne is legally changing his name to Moses Michael Leviy - and he's taking out a classified ad in The Post tomorrow to make it official. Shyne, who hopes to get out of Clinton Correctional Facility upstate next year, was born Jamaal Michael Barrow in 1978. The Belize-born rhymer converted to Judaism while locked up and now claims to be descended from Ethiopian Jews. (via eskay) Posted by jsmooth995 at March 3, 2006 01:19 PMComments
If you read the Post and the jewishsf.com articles, it's clear he's converting from Ethiopian Jew to Eastern European Jew. Posted by: jim at March 3, 2006 06:17 PM If I were his PR guy, I would have suggested Shyne Diamond. Posted by: i'm the skwidawd at March 3, 2006 06:47 PM Madonna and Moses Michael Leviy (Levy?) should make a cover CD of Hannukah songs. Posted by: J-Bird at March 4, 2006 12:18 AM I'm not suprised. It was just a matter of time. Posted by: Margaret at March 4, 2006 06:25 AM hugging up on rick santorum? he's a catholic. i don't follow. Posted by: staxwell at March 5, 2006 06:11 PM That's a reference to Sammy Davis' infamous hug with Richard Nixon.. Posted by: Jay Smooth at March 5, 2006 06:34 PM It's literally impossible to convert to any form of Judaism while in prison. We're talking a process that takes a minimum of a year up to 6 years study under the direct supervision of rabbis plus a little thing called circumcision for men. Also, there's no such thing as converting from "Ethiopian Jewish" to "European Jewish" you're either a Jew or you're not. If his mom's not Jewish then he isn't either. Posted by: Dvorah at March 7, 2006 02:15 PM Dvorah Posted by: Dee at March 7, 2006 04:58 PM Dee, Judaism is not a religion in the sense that Christianity and other faiths are a religion. In Judaism, there are two ways to become a Jew, be born to a Jewish mother or go through a valid conversion. If non-Jewish person wishes to follow the tenets of Judaism that is their choice, however, that does not make them a Jew until they go through a valid conversion. A valid conversion involved 1-6 years of study prior to the actual conversion. The reason it is not possible to go through a valid conversion while in person is that not only does the person not have the required access to resources (weekly study with rabbis, texts, etc) but the conversion itself requires going before a rabbinical court in addition to mikvah and circumcision. Also, once one has converted the person has to live a Jewish life, attendance at synagogue, prayer 3 times a day, etc. Posted by: Dvorah at March 8, 2006 02:47 PM Well, Madonna did it. Posted by: kami at March 9, 2006 04:49 PM Ugh, you had to bring up Madonna and her cult? :P Posted by: Dvorah at March 17, 2006 03:07 PM FUN FACT number 3067: Posted by: iamthetruth at March 26, 2006 06:51 AM shyne am very fucking dissapointed my nigga you fucking gay i dont like you no more and you music you a dickhead nigga stay in jail for ever man u usless nigga Posted by: bmi at April 5, 2006 06:11 AM I think it is up to him if he wants to change name and become jewish he has his own mind and his own life to live. people should mind there own bisness and leave M.M.L. alone. Posted by: ms stone at May 3, 2006 06:44 PM Hey, I am proud of shyne. His raps are hot. Reppin the faith. Posted by: Thas Real at May 14, 2006 08:59 AM This is cool, you have to try it. I guessed 14573, and this game guessed it! See it here - http://www.funbrain.com/guess/ Posted by: Allison Trump at May 24, 2006 02:11 AM I can't believe it, my co-worker just bought a car for $17186. Isn't that crazy! Posted by: Betsy Markum at May 24, 2006 02:18 AM As for iamthetruth's claim about converts to Judaism, it is completely false that valid converts to Judaism are seen as lesser. In fact, the exact opposite is the truth. Converts to Judaism are seen as Jews in every sense of the word and are held in the highest esteem for having chosen a path that wasn't required of them by birth. As for someone being able to decide that they're Jewish because that's how they feel. Well, I'm not from the US, don't live in the US, and don't have US citizenship. I could claim that I'm an American but guess what, I'm not. The same goes for being Jewish, anyone can say they're Jewish but if they are according to the "rules" of Judaism they can keep on claiming it but they aren't. Posted by: Lisa at October 17, 2006 12:06 PM Who's to say that he didn't meet with a Rabbi while in prison to study. A visit to a beit din and mikvah are probably unlikely to have occurred, but a creative Jewish chaplain might have been able to find a way to help. I think it is possible that Shyne went through a conversion process that would pass muster amongst the most traditional branches of Judaism. Since the details are lacking from all reports, withholding judgment isn't a bad idea. And hey, if he is finding that Jewish traditions help him keep his yetzer ha-rah in check, then at least there's a positive regardless whether or not he is truly now a member of the tribe. To correct a couple of earlier posts. You can't convert from Ethiopian Jewish to European Jewish or vice-versa because they're both Jewish and the words "Ethiopian" and "European" simply denote the country of origin of one's ancestry and possibly a collection of minor regional variations in religious practices. However, when a large number of Ethiopian Jews immigrated to Israel there were some Orthodox rabbis who questioned whether or not the immigrants were truly Jewish and wanted them all to go through the conversion process just to be sure. I visited Israel during this controversial period of time, and there were many protests held by the new immigrants. Officially, converts to Judaism are not looked upon as unequal to people born Jewish. An oft quoted quote (from the Talmud?) says that converts are considered to be Jews to such an extent that you're not even supposed to remind them that they were ever not Jewish. In practice, there are likely some Jews who are suspicious of whether or not a person who has converted has the right motivations or will follow through on their new commitment. In addition, the Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox branches of Judaism do not generally recognize conversions performed by rabbis from the Conservative and Reform branches of Judaism. Judaism not only doesn't proselytize, but features a conversion process that is relatively difficult. This may be due to the fact that Jews lived for so long amongst nations that were frequently openly hostile to them that prosyletization would just be an invitation to attack. There is some evidence that Jews did prosyletize a couple thousand years ago (one of the authors of the Christian Bible complains about the efforts of Jewish missionaries), but this practice has been replaced with traditions that require a prospective convert to be turned away three times before they can begin the process (what better way to repel sting operations from hostile authorities who wanted to catch Jews in the illegal act of converting people, which often carried the death penalty). Things are opening up a bit these days. There are introduction to Judaism classes at many synagogues and institutions of Jewish learning full of people thinking of converting (as well as curious folk, priests, nuns, and reverends who want to better educate themselves on Judaism). There must be at least a few hundred conversions a year in the US, which is probably an order of magnitude greater than the number before 1950. For more info, see the a soc.culture.jewish faq. Posted by: zach at November 21, 2006 12:41 PM |
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