"Watch who you beef with, Luda"

heh.

"...she gave me a hard time as a rapper when I came on there as an actor"

That comment makes no sense.

And with regards to Oprah editing out his comments. Uh, it's her show; she can do what she wants to do. MTV edits his videos and/or gives him airing guidelines. What's the difference? And the difference between him and Rock is obvious. Rock often uses explicit language in comedic and critical commentary on social ills. Chappelle too which isn't to say either of their comedy always has that aim. (A better analogy would have been between himself and Oprah darling Beyonce. I'm sure "Soldier" would seriously irk Oprah if she wasn't so ensared in Beyonce's cloak of middle class respectability or distracted by Beyonce's hip snake. Honestly from Oprah's effusive groping/fawning on numerous shows it's quite clear to me she has a girlcrush on Bey. Watch out Gayle!)

I think Luda is well intentioned but is in serious need of an intellectual intervention. Dude has an album entitled Chicken and Beer for God's sake (I'm not even gonna discuss the cover art). I'd be shamed if an elder black relative of mine saw that album in my posession (not a concern cause I don't own it). What I think is incredibly telling is how Luda doesn't have/or exercise a vocabulary for communicating his creative vision (or maybe that was in the part of the Oprah interview that was edited out). What was the artistic imperative for his album's artwork? What was he trying to achieve in writing "Pimping all over the World"? And "Number 1 Spot!" is not an acceptable answer.

jb, It's not the same when Oprah edits out every point she didn't win (as I'm assuming she did). There's ample room for a honest discussion of hip hop and its effect on the youth. However, if she wants to do her Bill Cosby impression, it's yet another reason not to like her. I don't know, I guess I have a problem with billionaires who feel that they have a right to tell audiences what to think and are staunch advocates for the status quo. I mean please. "Thank you, Oprah! Thank you for saving me from myself."

What a lot of people miss, and what I used to miss is that it's real, but it's not literal. I'm reminded of an Ice Cube quote from the 90's (paraphrased), "Man, hip hop is funny but if you don't get it, it will scare the sh*t out of you."

Oh, yeah. I got sidetracked. The reason it's not the same thing is that she her show does give the impression that this is how the conversation went down. It's a representation of what supposedly happened. It's supposed to ne the truth. James Frey much?

LUDA YOU CAN BEEF WITH WHOEVER THE HELL YOU WANT TO! WHAT IS SHE GONNA DO? STOP HAVING RAPPERS ON HER SHOW???OH YEAH SHE ALREADY DOES THAT! SHE HAS NEVER HAD A REAL EMCEE ON HER SHOW!! LUDA FEAR NO MAN, OR WOMAN!!!!!!!! ONLY GOD!

Right, everybody edits, but if Luda is saying she edited his comments to artificially make herself winner of the debate, that's a little different.

I agree with JBs assessment of Luda though, and kinda doubt he was getting the better of her in the unedited exchange. :)

And I think the "middle class respectability" thing is dead on.. There's certainly ample reason to criticize a lot of rappers, and I may not always disagree with Oprah's take on this stuff.. but she seems to have a scorn for these guys that comes from a deeper place.. I get a vibe like she is screening their Jack and Jill applications or something.

It's all conjecture of course, but anything he said that's outside of her expectations or sterotypes could have been seen as getting the better of her. As you can probably tell, I really, really dislike Oprah. She hasn't had a debate in at least 10 years; guests either go on there to kiss her ring or sit quietly and get chewed out. So yeah, if he respectfully disagreed with her pronouncements about an entire genre, Grand Empress Oprah probably had little to say. He was supposed to agree or start crying and say that he was going to change his non Oprah-approved ways.

As an huge fan of Oprah, I will admit she does have a blindspot when it comes to understanding and/or appreciating anything hiphop related. But that isn't unusual considering she comes from the generation before us. I'm not offering that as an excuse for her ignorance, just a possible, understandable explanation. She should definitely seek to learn more and overcome her predjudices in this area, as anyone else should.

But even as a fan of hiphop and having grown up on it, i have issues with it. ESPECIALLY being a female and gay. I completely abhor the rampant opression and degradation of women in the lyrics and in the videos and the homophobia disgusts me as well. So if someone like me has issues with it, being that i have a deep appreciation of the music and culture, i can only imagine how much more disdain Oprah must have since doesn't have an organic connection to it.

on editing the debate in her favor: i'll reserve judgement until i've seen the footage.

to janine: i'm surprised at how much you dislike Oprah and i can't help but wonder if you know about the enormous amount of her time and money that she spends on helping others (especially in Africa). She is (and has been for over 10 years now) deeply committed to helping change the system of un-education for African boys and girls in many countries. She has helped build schools (and homes) and guaranteed the salaries of over 100 teachers. here in America, her Angel Network has sent thousands of needy Black and Latino students to college. That is only the tip of the iceberg of her committments and as much as you may not like her personality, you can't shake a stick at what she does with her resources.

She had Kanye West on her show and even let him perform. Then again, Kanye has that middle class respectability thing. I think we're on to something.

Ice Cube also has beef with Oprah. When he was on Tavis Smiley recently to discuss the F/X show he produced called Black|White he expressed how he respected Tavis for having him on the show. Apparently, Oprah refused to let him be on her show when she did an episode discussing Black|White.

I personally think one summer afternoon in 1991 her and Gayle were feeling adventurous and felt like listening to something new. They ventured to the record store and purchased Efil4zaggin.

"One Less Bitch" still sends chills down her spine to this day.

i don't know much about oprah or all the good shit she does - sounds like she's very generous. but i think her show is a little TOO influential. she's a person, like anybody else, with a variety of objective and slanted views. and the fact that the number of people that listen to her and follow her lead is as great as it is - is kinda scary. take her view on hiphop - i don't know much about it first hand, but from reading earlier comments, it sounds like she is kind of against the whole genre, and if that's the case, then it's obviously because she doesn't understand the music. but she's sending her own, ignorant view to millions of people nation-wide, five days a week. she should understand the power she's got in her hands and try to take a more objective approach. the best way to do that would be to incorporate more dissenting opinions, let the viewers decide for themselves whether oprah's onpoint. she's abusing her power, and you can't really blame her because everybody likes to be right, and win arguments and whatnot. don't know if there's a moral to this rambling. nobody's gonna tell the world's richest woman to shut the fuck up.

sanju:

Oprah's show has been successful precisely because of her transparency. Meaning her thoughts, views and opinions, likes and dislikes ARE the brand.

But just using myself as an example for a second...yes i'm one of the millions that watch her and 'love' her but i don't do everything she says. i have my own mind and my own life. Many things i do and enjoy are things she'd never be into. and vice versa. Now one can argue, "yeah but alot of people that watch her might not have as strong a sense of self." Fair enough, but then if there was no Oprah, that kind of person would simply find someone else to mimic and follow. So her being herself is not necessarily the problem.

I agree with Oprah's sediments on allowing whom she wants on the show and her not willing to empower forces she deems as socially unacceptable, but Luda shouldn�t complain a lick! Just as any corporation, government, or any organization, there are levels of hierarchy. George Bush may not be the most eloquent speaker, but sure enough he has plenty of people around him that kind sell his thoughts to the general public with ease! Has anyone ever heard Ludacris attempt to speak intelligently? It would be embarrassing for hip hop since this is the window to Black America and rap music for most of White America. She should get someone like Mos Def or Common or bring back on Ice T to explain our culture and the conflictions of the youth today. Did anybody catch The O�Reilly Factor recently with Cam�ron and Dame Dash? They make people in the industry look like damn fools! Hip hop will continue to scare the likes of the Oprah crowd (including my own mother) until the intelligent and compelling voices of Hip Hop speak up! -maadbonez@yahoo.com

I agree with Oprah's sediments on allowing whom she wants on the show and her not willing to empower forces she deems as socially unacceptable, but Luda shouldn�t complain a lick! Just as any corporation, government, or any organization, there are levels of hierarchy. George Bush may not be the most eloquent speaker, but sure enough he has plenty of people around him that kind sell his thoughts to the general public with ease! Has anyone ever heard Ludacris attempt to speak intelligently? It would be embarrassing for hip hop since this is the window to Black America and rap music for most of White America. She should get someone like Mos Def or Common or bring back on Ice T to explain our culture and the conflictions of the youth today. Did anybody catch The O�Reilly Factor recently with Cam�ron and Dame Dash? They make people in the industry look like damn fools! Hip hop will continue to scare the likes of the Oprah crowd (including my own mother) until the intelligent and compelling voices of Hip Hop speak up! -maadbonez@yahoo.com

three words for oprah: new world order.

Veronica, it seems as if you're saying her good wroks make her beyond reproah. That right there is my problem with her. BonEz: GWB, may not be the best example for why someone's behavior is acceptable. Also, why can't Ludacris speak to his own experiences intelligently? Why do we need a gatekeeper to pick and choose who's going to get to speak for hip hop? Why does only one person get to speak at a time? The whole "one man or woman gets to be a spokesperson for an entire subgroup" thing is played out. It hasn't worked in decades.

O'Reilly is an intellectual terrorist who can make PhDs look stupid. A lot happens on Fox News, debate is never one of them.

Janine:

maybe you didn't read everything i said. especially this part:

She should definitely seek to learn more and overcome her predjudices in this area

i can't imagine how, having said that, i can be accused of portraying her as "beyond reproach". Of course, no one is. She's simply human and fallible, as we all are. What i am saying is that her good works should go a long way towards her earning a bit more respect from people even if they don't like her personality. In my opinion, one of the greatest purposes of human life is to make a positive difference in lives of others (whether its one person or a million); to do something to leave this Earth better than you found it. Oprah, Bill Gates, Bono and countless other famous and non-famous people do just that. And i can't help but admire them despite their personality flaws. Cuz i know i'm just as flawed as they are.

Maybe it's just me but do you know any respectable older black female that loves to hear the term 'bitch' or 'ho' on their CD collection. From what I know, my mom listens to gospel. I don't think she'll be listening to hip hop that much at all. Same for Oprah. She's a WOMAN. I mean you gotta respect her for having a problem with his lyrics. Every one knows that her and Chappelle doesn't get along either. If you saw when Chappelle was on you could tell it was severly edited.

It's true that probably 100% of her shows get edited to her likings...but that's 'the bizness'. Of course Beyonce is gonna get more respect from her.

I'm not hating on Ludacris because I actually like his music. But even if he is getting on the show because of his acting doesn't mean that she's not going to remember what lyrical content you said on your album...

But veronica, I described you as protraying Oprah as beyond reproach because I did read your post closely and you appear to argue both sides. Paraphrase: "Yeah, she is sort of one-sided, but you have to discount that because of all this other stuff she does." Then you rephased it. You don't have to discount it if one of your strongest values is the (dwindling) right for people to think independently and question so-called received "wisdom." I'm not talking about a bunch of college students getting f**ked up and talking philosophy. But people being empowered to weigh their own best interests, find their own values and paths and read books whether Oprah's told them to or not. If this were your strongest value (because its mine), then Oprah would be most scary and annoying person in the public along with Bill O'Reilly. If I were to really think about it, it probably makes for a zero sum situation where she empowers people though her charities and stultifies them with her lifestyle products like Not-a-real-Dr. Phil.

OK, so she has done a lot to help others, so what? Does this mean that she can tell people what to do or say? Heck no! I don't think so. Bill Gates has donated "billions," but doesn't go around dictating what people should say, do, or read. He doesn't have his "little robots" to toot his horn and try to make people feel as if they need to be kissing his er..feet. Maybe because he has more CLASS. Perhaps you people never heard of Freedom of Speech or Freedom of Expression? Hum, maybe not, Hey Oprah, "you're not the universe's authority, get off that horse already". To the Oprah followers: When I snap my fingers, you will, WAKE UP!!

Ludacris baby, you don't need her, you made it this far without her. Keep going and don't look back, it ain't worth it. You're better than that.

Fuck Oprah for real! Yeah she has done way beyond her fair share for whites and the children of Africa and the Hurricane Katrina victims (that is if Red Cross didn't steal the money) but she is not the boss of anybody and her opinions and views are not solid gold! all of that money is going to her head. To whom much is given, can also be taken away! I wish she go sit down already.

First of all, I think that Oprah has earned the right to do whatever she wants to do on her show. She was not always a billionaire. When we have black women (and men) like Oprah, who are educated, self made, philathropic, positive, and an ASSET to her people, we would be very wise to listen to what she has to say. She knows something that we can [as black people] benefit from. Would she tell us something that would create our demise? Would she give young black women misleading information? OR would she try to put something positive into our world, our minds that may help us become the people that we were always meant to be? I am a young black female and I although I can relate to the plight of the black male in the "hood" I also know that when you tell a man he's a nigger or a young lady that she's a bitch, you end up with a community full of niggers and bitches. Why is it so hard not to use self degrading language? It ultimately creates the defeatist, negative, violent attitudes that is currently plaguing black people. Rappers should step their game up. You can be a hot rapper and still educate and uplift your audience at the same time. Sorry Luda if you got your little comments edited. She may have saved you from making yourself look like an idiot. You can't possibly look like more than that when you are trying to defend the use of derogatory-demeaning-depreciative languange. Give me a break. Don't tell me words are only words and they don't have power. If that is the case, then there should be no ill feelings if Billy O gets on Fox news and calls us what he really wants to call us.

Black people have to wake up. We need more Oprahs in this world. This woman gives, gives, gives to black schools, Katrina victims, you name it. She gives. She wants black people to prosper. How can you not respect a person who takes action to uplift her own people?

He mentioned Jack and Jill.

Why is it "embarrassing" to title an album "Chicken And Beer". What is wrong with that? He is an entertainer, he has explained that he enjoys Chicken and Beer when he eats, so that was his album title, I think it was meant to be somewhat humorous as well. Do you want him to be less of an entertainer, more of a social activist? You'd rather he drop "Let's get Free"? I think Chicken and Beer is a good album title, at least better than Red LIght District or Incognegro. I heard Lupe is somewhat copying him on that too...Food & Liqour.hahha please...As far as Oprah's rank in the hierarchy of power, she plays her position. There are alot of people who have positions, and by limiting debate on people who might break their theories down they maintain their power. I am not a big Luda fan, but he has his moments. Let's not act like hes not involved in his own little hierarchy of power on the totem pole too. Def Jam doesnt want him too far off the leash. I thought Cam'ron and Dame were very intelligent on O'Rielly. I thought they shut him down, and it was suprising to me because I didn't really see that coming from what I had thought of them. As far as Common or Mos Def representing intelligence, I have issue with that. Common is a racist, Mos Def is a deadbeat daddy. Chuck D always seems to speak intelligently and respectfully when I see him interviewed. And I love hearing David Banner's ideas ramble out. Oh wait, Chuck D didnt like elvis back or john wayne in 1989 so that might be "controversial" haha. As far as Oprah, she exists in this artificial word of positive thinking where she believes so much in "positive thinking" that she refuses to believe that there are other factors at play. I mean, every fucking episode of her show is some sort of message heavy moral to the story type of propaganda, that is the message of her show, cause hopeless fucks who sit at home during the afternoon feel better about their misery to see these "daily miracles" she shows. And she wants every being on earth to be soem sort of 24 seven positive thinking role model, like shes some mother who will scold you if you think dirty thoughts. And if you don't fall in line with that philosophy then you are obviously some sort of "negative thinker" by default. Or at least that is how I see it. I like how south park addressed the issue of Oprah. They've been killing it this year.

BonEZ said
"I agree with Oprah's sediments on allowing whom she wants on the show and her not willing to empower forces she deems as socially unacceptable, but Luda shouldn't complain a lick!"

I agree with you BonEZ that Oprah should be able to do what she wants with her show. But, I disagree with you regarding Luda and his complaint. He, like anybody else can complain, comment, editorialize about anything he chooses. If Luda feels he was treated unfairly, he is within his rights to do so, afterall this is America - the greatest country on earth IMHO. There are have competing interest, thoughts, constituencies, and ideas floating in the marketplace and that my friend, is where the decisions will be made - in the "market of ideas". If Luda feels Oprah treated you badly, air it, he should air it. If Oprah doesn't like rap/rappers/hiphop, she can let that be known and use her influence over that how she chooses. Where the line should be drawn however is using the force of government to shut down other ideas, thoughts etc. If the final result from this spout is that Luda or Oprah looses influence, audience, opportunity, money etc, so be it. Such as life in the GREAT US of A. Bottom line, the people will decide. ISN'T AMERICA GREAT!!!!!

Oprah is a middle aged fat woman and Luda is a hot talented superstar.
If he wants beef wit Oprah den i'm wit him

Yes, Oprah's age and weight are extremely relevant to this discussion.

What annoys me about Oprah is that she attempts to change the world by chastising people for their flaws. This is never productive because it breeds a sense of resentment in the person that you are accusing and the message always gets lost. This is why would-be activists fail because you can't change the system by pointing outs flaws. You can't change a sexist, racist, homophobic system by pointing out its racist, sexist and homophobic. That's obvious. You have to go in the system with sucidal abandon and make the system change and that starts by gaining power in the system. If Oprah really wanted to make a difference she would run for office. Preferably, the damn Presidency. The woman wields an enormous power already over a crucial majority of the population(women) and she has a huge financial backing and media outlet to her exposal. Stop bitching and run for President. Unfortunately, I have the feeling that Oprah is much more interested in the almighty dollar than truly making a difference. She may give millions of dollar to charity every year but she isn't living a Peter Singer lifestyle, either. Put your money where your mouth is Oprah and make a real difference.

Luda and every other entertainer should have the right to be on the Big O show. If you watched in February,(black History Month) Oprah had on a host of her black people. Incredibile that in 2006 oprah winfey of all people, could be so so closed minded to say luda doesnt represent what alot of people think there are women that are bitches and ho's are out there. Should we all live in oprah winfey world. ok oprah pretend that we all live in the house on the hill. not in projects or on THE BLOCK. What oprah finds offensive she might be able to help with if the money from the angel network fund helped the young 13 year old child whose parents are so busy
getting ripped that she has to go prostitute herself to keep the lights on for younger sisters and brothers. LETS HELP THE KIDS IN AFRICA OPRAH FORGET CAMDEN ,PHILLY BROOKLYN. Dont see any of those familys in her audiance. Hello not groomed enough , right. Thats why there will be ho's pimps
and bitches cause the oprahs of the world would only hand them a book on etiquette. please.

Luda shouldn't have gone on her show if he knew he wasn't wanted on there in the first place. It is sad and unfortunate but people have a hard time coping with each others differences and for him to go on her show with full knowledge of her not wanting him their was his bad. I don't think that I would go anywhere I'm not wanted. He has the right to rap about what he wants and she has the right to edit her show in any way she sees fit. Even if it is to make her look good. I wouldn't allow my viewers to see anyone get the best of me in a debate or conversation

The bottomline in this debate is that we live and exist in a white male dominated society, thus the status quo is then measured to their aspirations, desires, hopes and dreams, not ours. Oprah succeeds not because she is Anti-Hip Hop but because she reflects those who hold values that run our system. There exists thousands of white men who are billionaires who are not excoriated and villified by their own race, nor known as widely as Oprah. They, in other words, are as Reggie Jackson opined about himself: The straw that stirs the drink.

Luda may be a superstar as someone intoned earlier, but he does not own or control the mechanisms that operate his livelihood. His level of conscienious is confined to bringing the world into his thinking rather than moving his thinking to compete with the world. The constant need to put others down, get payback, and fight against a black icon, only illustrates how infantile his level of thinking and understanding [is]. His battle is not with Oprah, but with himself. What exactly does he accomplish and his fans (as demonstrated on this board) through openly challenging another black person--except to demonstrate exactly why Oprah's staff had reservations in the first place about booking him for an appearance.

What is unfortunate is to read so many comments that reek with pure and unadulterated ignorance. Ludercris can forever go through life living as carefree as he wants as long as a plethora of middle class white kids and black kids continue to buy-in to his music and his movies. However, those who must work to pay bills must chart a different path to live. Sure, one can live a fantasied life of guns, hos, violence, payback and 'being the man in the hood', but the obvious productivity of such actions reduces your chance for success in white America. An America where the majority of the ruling white class only see black folks through the lens of entertainers, musicians, actors and athletes. Those men and women pictured in Black Enterprise may be more known to some in the black community, but one only has to watch CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, etc.,. to realize that we are rarely shown to be people of substance. And besides, having rappers come on TV and hold face-to-faces with white news commentators like Bill O'Reilly is hardly comforting. Jazz, in its inception was similarly feared by whites, in that they were skeptical of the pot-smoking and lurid behavior of some of the earlier superstars who they felt were influencing this genre. Make no mistake Bill O'Reilly doesn't give a damn about Hip Hop, he represents a bloc of viewers who have kids who today feels threaten by the messages and the lyrics that little white 'Sally' and little white 'Johnny' is playing in his or her room.

O'Reilly and most white folks won't discuss race when it concerns them, they turn it around whilst they probe the matter in terms of us. And, if enough whites feel threaten or fearful of these messages embedding in their sons and daughters they will relegate Hip Hop to the back burner.

Lastly, it is clear that certainly Luda may be closer to expressing the 'flavor' in your lives against society, against the adults and against those who do not think like yourselves, yet; in the end, it is your work, your sweat and your energy that will make the difference in whether you succeed in your life, not Luda. He is a superstar, now the question to ask is: How will you become a superstar? By thinking like Luda in your daily decisionmaking or by thinking like Oprah in your daily decisionmaking?

If you want to keep it real, start by gazing into the mirror.

I'm going to take a more objective approach to the Oprah - Luda power struggle. I do believe that one should stand up for one's views and opinions; I also believe that the ability to vocalize what you feel intelligently gives you more respect with those whom you are pointing your discussion. Oprah has a slant against hip hop; I don't doubt that in the least. I think Luda was castigated because he spoke his opinion...and I know that you can become censored when you have an opinion different from the ones in power. Even though some naysayers may say that Luda was not intelligent in giving his opinions, nobody REALLY knows what was said except him, Oprah, the studio audience, and the people at Harpo Studios who edited his comments. I've always felt that everybody has a right to express their opinion, and at the same time everybody has a right to disagree with those who give their opinion...it's both the blessing and curse affiliated with free speech. Luda has a hard time with his battles because I believe that contrary to popular opinion, he's an intelligent person who speaks out with four "strikes" against him already: 1) he's an intelligent Black man; 2) he's an intelligent Black man who's successful; 3) he's an intelligent Black man who's successful who used unconventional methods to garner his success, and 4) he's an intelligent Black man who's successful who doesn't mind speaking his mind. Really, that may count as five reasons. So, if Oprah has gotten drunk off of having people "kiss her ring" [I saw that in a previous post], then Luda will never get on her show and be able to say what he needs to say because I found out that people don't like it when you're intelligent and you speak the truth. I know; I'm a 26 year old preacher who stands on God's Word..and I know firsthand that people don't like it when you speak the truth and are not ashamed of it.

On the other hand, Oprah has disdain for hip hop, and understandably I can see from where the disdain originates. You have OUR women shaking everything in the videos; sexually explicit lyrics...and I know what the hip hop community will say; "it's everywhere." I'm making the point that there is a reason why our young people are wanting record deals and 22s and 24s and jewelry...because our people are selling an image to our younger generation. It's not cool to go to church and have relationship with Christ during the teenage years; it's more appealing to have thousands of dollars in your pocket because you're hustlin' and women are all around you and...it's just crazy. So, Oprah may be justified in her evaluation of hip hop. I don't share the majority of her views, but I said in the last post that people have the right to express their opinion, and people also have the right to disagree with those who give their opinion. To me, rappers have a responsibility to share with those who are influenced by their music that it's just a way to sell records. For example, Luda or 50 or Game can go to jail and they have someone from the label who is waiting to bail them out because they already have their millions. But what about the little 14 year old boy who's being tried as an adult because he wishes to emulate 50 or Luda or Game or Shyne and doesn't have anybody waiting to bail him out of jail? It's pure craziness when you see 13, 14, and 15 year old boys wearing BP vests trying to copy someone they've seen on television...and these stars are just GETTING PAID. People are easily influenced. I'm weighing what I'm saying, because I didn't have the chance to see the show...but based upon Luda's experience with Pepsi in the past and Oprah's subtle yet undeniable criticisms of hip hop in the past, you have to wonder what the bottom line is. Is the bottom line a clash of cultures? Is the bottom line a mere difference of opinion? Is the bottom line a defense against prejudices, or a proclivity to moral and ethical decline? Or, could it be a combination of all of the above? What is the BOTTOM LINE?

Someone said Oprah has a disdain for Hip Hop. You dont know how right you are! That is very true. She hates hip hop, and especially BLACK MALES in Hip Hop. Her agenda is to cast aspersion on black men any way she can. this is plain an dobviuos. So many on this post say she should be able to do this because of her millions$$ " this is why the rich man woke up in Hell and asked Jesus to allow Lazarus to dip his finger in water to cool his tongue" Money doesnt cover it all. Those deeper issues that she has will one day be revealed. If not while she is alive (while she still has a chance to repent) then surely when she faces judgement. Hate is a disease and it's catchy. Like the Bird flu, her attitudes have become an epidemic. So many have caught it.

FIRST OFF to haslim...When ludacris says he came on the show as an actor NOT a rapper he meant that he came on the pretense that he was being interviewed about his role in the movie Crash,but she switched shit on him and started talkin about lyrics and what not...yea its her show and whateva but it comes down to respect...u don't do that,respect that man's hustle.... Oprah is noone's mother,ahe villanized him n a sense

My 2 cents
Charrity

You may agree with Oprah about it being her show and she invites who she likes. This is true but as Ludacris stated it was about the show not his music. Now as much as she preaches about being prejudice this is a clear example of what it is PREJUDICE. She's should have set aside her personal feelings and conduct business. As for Ludacris I don't listen to his music but I have heard him doing many interviews, which one was tonight and he spoke about this issue but by no means did he bash her. He stated most intelligently what the issue was not a beef.

Hey I think it was shady of Oprah to do that to Ludacris. This is the very thing that Crash is about!!! Believeing in stero types that are not true. You have to live it to believe it. Luda has a good argument and if that doesn't make any sense it becasue you just don't understand. Everyone was there to discuss the movie "Crash", not Rapping and Hip Hop. Will Smith has appeared on her show and just like Luda Chris Rock and Dave have appeared, they are all apart of the Hip Hop Community. If Oprah was to guest on Jay Leno to disscuss "he Color Purple" on Boradway, He would ask her whay Steadman has not married her. Or why her weight fluctuates when she can afford a chef, trainner, to folow her around 24-7.

As Much as Oprah has been through being a black woman and trying to establish her empire and the notion that black women can be successful also I would not expect this kind of discrimination. Just goes to show you that no matter what race you are, how0 rich you are, or struggles you over come, you can still be ignorant!!

I don't agree with all the lyrics that Luda says and writes but he is an entertainer and so is Opra and if being a rapper is so ugly and wrong it sure is attactive when it comes to the public. Can't help it people love it flat out!!

I would bet, about 98% of African Americans could care less about Oprah. I used to think she was one of the best things that happened to our race. Now, I wish Oprah was white. Then it would not hurt so much, when she makes distasteful choices with her programming almost always favoring a white audience. African Americans have come to expect descrimination from caucasians. But when someone who has reached her status, goes out of there way to ignore her own people in favor of any race but her own, it is shameful. Now regarding Ludacris I didn't catch the show when he was a guest. If the show was edited in Oprah's favor, that definitely was not fair. Oprah should be able to take the heat. On the other hand, I don't agree at all with the negative videos, drowning in violence and the hood life that is far too often depicted in the videos. They don't believe she really cares about her own race. I rarely watch her show anymore I used to be a big fan, until she started blatantly sending obvious signals that she was not fond of African Americans. Oprah is no dummy she knows what she is doing. I have developed business products worth millions, if she ever reads this comment oh well. When God gets through blessing me I will never, ever forget my own people to get ahead, and Oprah can take that to the bank!

Fuck All Of U Hating On Luda

Do you know what's funny. If Oprah really knew Ludacris she would have realized that his videos like Missys for instance are more about fun then guns and hoes. He is very intelligent, but I guess not to Oprah's standards. We should be afraid of the fact that Oprah our example of the quintessential black woman, queen, and possibly mother chastised her black son Ludacris on National TV instead of giving him props on a great job in Crash. Let's not forget he did his thing in the movie. Also to tell you the truth. Whats the difference between chicken and beer from Buffalo wings and Sam Adams at a pub. Many of us aren't eating caviar with sauvignon apricot sauce during a football game.

oprah is a BITCH.i hate her so fuckin badly i mean i like what she does n stuff but for her to do dat 2 ma future husband she was wrong.stupid ugly BITCH.and i hope you read dis oprah. i luv ludacris

yeah n ma e mail is i_luv_ludacris404@yahoo.com

Fuck that bitch Oprah she anit shit but a fuckin wannabe white woman in a black woman body. That bitch needs to do more her own PEOPLE than them fake white bitches. Luda stay strong she will regret that shit in the long run.

man fuck oprah she a hoe

fuck oprah she is a scary ass hoe

guess what mi_mi

oprahs a fuckin bitch ass hoe ass dick suckin ass ugly ass slut ass hoe

Man Oprah you a bitch how you gonna come @ him he anit the only 1 sayin it and why did you blank out what he had to say? luda you koo like you said nigga & nigger is to different things with different meanings.

To all those who sent vulgar emails on May 2, 2006.. I just want to say THANK YOU! for letting the public know just how ignorant some of you really are. I suppose you could say kudos to the intellectual rap music that you listen to on helping to develop such eloquence. Oh I'm sorry your vocabulary suggest that you probably think that kudos is a candy bar. But, just in case you don't own a dictionary,.... It's NOT!.

Shit, Sandra Bullock got into the Ludahateration on that episode too, we gonna give Miss Congeniality a pass?

Seriously, Jsmooth, if you're still reading, I thank you for being one of maybe 20 people alive who remembers Ice-T on Oprah, with Jello Biafra and Tipper Gore no less! Allow me to refresh your memory: The year was 1988, "It Takes a Nation of Millions..." never left my cassette deck, Action Jackson came out (which nobody saw but everybody rhymed about), and we rewarded the party that had just brought us the Iran-Contra affair with four more years in the White House. In other words, friend, closer to 20 years ago than 10. We were squarely in the fantasy stage of our love addiction and the question was not whether the Revolution would come but when, and that's whether your knight was punk or hip hop or the shocking exposure of governmental corruption.

Need I say more about why Oprah doesn't like Ludacris, the actor, the rapper, the shoe shill, whatever? Oprah was not hatin. Look, who's been pimpin all over the world more than Oprah? But when you have the ear, you've got to say something that matters. That's what Ice-T did when he had the ear of Oprah's audience. That's what Jello did when he laid the future Second Lady's hypocrisy so bare I swear I thought her head was going to explore like at the end of Halloween 3. That's what Oprah does when she's at her best; that's what we all do when we're at our best. And I understand escapism and fantasy and fiction and storytelling and I don't think hip hop has any more responsibility than any other genre of music to be socially conscious, and that even if it did, it exceeded its duty fifteen years ago and has no obligation to go back. But I also understand that every single one of us in this modern day Roman/Mayan/Incan empire has a duty to speak up about what we know of the horror of this world, lest we forget and repeat, or forget and repeat, or forget and repeat.

It occurs to me that I am America.
I am talking to myself again.

Okay so I like Ludacris too but there is no need to curse Oprah out. She is a very good role model for us African americans, and to the people that said she is a ***** obviously you have no future if that is all you can say. At least say it intelligently with words from the dictionary. Also open your minds to other music out there. Rap is not always good, and it is destroying our young peoples minds today. GET AN EDUCATION! Trust in GOD!

Personally, i don't really like oprah. the problem with people like oprah is that. she never in her life really dreamed that she could get to this level.And Now that she has made it.she tries To dominate every body.

Whatever happened at the show, this whole controversy can be better handled by airing the edited piece for the public to see and judge for themselves.

oprah suck

Oprah has her own way of thinking, but she is more inclined to be in the middle and upper class women. Ludacris is more inclined towards the poor and humble people. Ludacris, just like oprah, can say whatever he wants to say,.. So Luda just say what you want. I'll be waiting for your next album.

Oprah definitely had the right to "edit" her show. However, I have the right not to watch her show. As I do with most ignorant programming, I turn it off. Too many people bow at the feet of Oprah Winfrey. Good deeds do not make you a saint. I call Oprah's show ignorant because I believe that she does not know the damage that she is doing by declaring war on rap music. By inviting the man to the show in the role of an actor and to then bring up his music without letting his responses through is called censorship. Others call it editing. For those of you that think it is ok for Chris Rock to use the "N" word as social commentary, then you are sadly out of touch as well. It is not okay for anyone to use that word. It's not okay when I use it either. You can make your point, without sinking to the gutter. It's quite interesting to me that actors get a free pass on anything they do while rappers are considered trash. Have you ever noticed that on every episode of "Cribs" that all the rappers seem to idolize "Scarface"? Should Al Pacino be vilified next?

I dont understand Oprah. If she is trying so hard to have a positive influence on the African-American population then why not get perspectives from all sides. As for some of your comments about Luda's intelligence, how do you know how smart he is, do you know him personally? You question his intelligence because he uses curse words but you say its okay when Chris Rock uses the same words...in the words of Shawn Carter, "you're a constant contradiction." and as far as the title of his albums that is just to sell records, a "smart" business move. Most of the people who think rap music is just about bitches and hoes dont listen to it, you hear what people say on tv and run with it and thats ignorant. This is just another way for America to portray us brotha's (thats right, i spelled it like that, it part of my nature, how come black men cant just be us)as ignorant criminals...by the way i wear my jeans baggy, hat backwards, use slang but also work everyday, pay my bills, father my child and by the way have my college degree,oh i forgot since im a hip-hop kid im ignorant. Why is everyone trying to make black men like white men, we dont want anything to do with white men, we want to be ourselves...o yeah society took that away 400 years ago!!!

no one is trying to make black men into white men, you black men try to do that yourselves by wanting to be with white women after you have usually come into power/money, why don't you tell your brothers to then remember their black women then. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK OPRAH! oh by the way this is directed to clyde, may 17 regarding his remark.

JB you are a fucking idiot....Why would Oprah have to edit anything. She is a dumb fat bitch..And thats real. She had Dave Chappel on her show and this fool called her a BITCH in one of his sketches. So what the fuck is she talking about. Yeah OPRAH he did a sketch about you having his baby. She needs to shut her ass up and just see it as entertainment. People who don't raise they're children properly let their children subject to the ideas of the fantasy world of music and media. Its the parents to teach them whats right or wrong not the world. And if they can't you cant blame entertainers for that. It makes no since.

Oh yeah, so why did Dave Chappell get away with calling Oprah a bitch? And why didn't she drill him on his show's content (niggarh family sketch)? He downed woman, told little kids about drugs and STD's which wasn't the right way to do it. But with all of this the chappelltheory.com must be true. All of the black powers got together and scared his ass...If they didn't why would he have been on Oprah. DAVE CHAPPELL IS A BITCH. I bet you powers like Oprah, Bill Cosby and others gave him 50 million dollars that Comedy Central was giving him. No nigga on earth will give that shit up...Comedy Central even said that he had full control of the show. So DAVE, FUCK YOU...and Oprah and the black powers that be in the entertainment world...

luda don't worry about her. your grown and sexy. its not like she helped u get where u are today so don't sweat it. just keep ya head up and just know that i'll always love u even if nobody else does. i know u don't know me but u will always be in my heart. wheather u know it or not my heart is yours. stay up baby. holla at your wife.

I think it's fucked up but it's life and i respect Luda and i also respect Oprah but i do think she need to open her eyes a lil bit

The correct URL for the Dave Chapelle Theory website is http://www.chappelletheory.com/.

jb, you are stupid. your comment makes no sense, and you are pitifully trying to engage in "serious" analysis on a topic that requires none. it is clear that oprah does not want to mingle much with rappers. it is clearly her prerogative, but still blatant discrimination result. if that is ok with you, fine. but spear the rest of us from your acceptance of such crap.

"Mann, f*ck Oprah Winfrey." My Supreme itellect is far beyond that primative statement, but at this point, that's exactly how i feel about her. Yeah, yeah, she does a bunch of good for "her-own causes",...blah, blah, yakity-smakity; but it's almost as though she refuses to see Hip Hop's true purpose and original intent, and is all to ready to accept the corporate sponsored images systematically placed upon black-brown, or inner-city society in general, as what we should be portrayed as. Pimps, hustlers, d-boys, big-booty bithcez, and ignorant poor-monkies. I would LOVE to see her mention that the same people that deem these images as acceptable, are the same clowns that own and run all the major (and a majority of the minor) networks in this country. I've heard Oprah say, she wouldn't have racists/nazis on her show because it would empower them also....if she feels we're (M.C.'s/ Hip-Hop artists) as bad as them, then she's already got the game twisted. What the hell was she listening to in the 90's? not Tribe, not De La, not Brand Nubian, not KRS, not EPMD, not Pac, not the Almighty R, not Illmatic, not Ready to Die: that's hip-Hop, rappers are just faces. Somebody please introduce Oprah to the culture. The 10% only teach face value. PEACE.

Hashim, that comment makes perfect sense.

He's saying that even though he's a rapper, he should've been looked at as Chris Bridges the actor in the movie, and not Ludacris the rapper. He didn't do any rapping in the movie. He was acting just like everyone else. Oprah was being negative and unfair towards Ludacris because of his rapping carreer, and it had nothing to do with his acting in the movie Crash.

Oops, my above comment was intended for "jb," not "Hashim."

Alright all you Hip Hoppers, lets just get blatantly honest here. I look at Oprah and I see a Black Women that has chosen the way she wants to be viewed by White America. In my opinion, this is a successful way to be put in a position to help not only African Americans but Africans as well. Do you remember her trip to Africa? But we say she has sold out. Why do Blacks do this to themselves? This problem started way before Oprah and Ludacris. But no one wants to talk about Slavery and the Civil Rights struggles to gain our freedom, only to be controlled again today by white America�s oppression that we are unwilling to see on the surface. Let me explain!

When was the last time you seen a Black band signed to a record label? When was the last time you seen Black musicians playing live with guitars, keyboards and drums delivering songs of happiness and fun? I�ve seen Oprah promote artists like John Legend, Alicia Keys and even Morris Day and The Time on her show. There is a lot of Africa American that want to hear music that represents some type of happiness in these changing times. I what to hear songs about how it is to fall in and out of love again. How seeing someone on a train ride can inspire you to daydream about their kiss. I do not want to think of them as a whore, slut, bitch, scank, chickenhead or any of that skeet, skeet, skeet on the wall crap!

The positive Hip Hop artists are over shadowed by negative ones. What do I mean by negative? Do you really want you children singing songs about what they will do to your daughter or son? Self glorifying themselves about their bitches, money and material possession? I see kids from 6 to 16 singing about selling crack rock as a product to roll on 20 inch dubs, grillz on their teeth and how much bling they have. Now seriously, are you really missing the point? If you are selling rocks in an African American community, who do you think they are selling it to? It is like a silent genocide of Black on Black. We are not in Rwanda my people! Which ironically has the same overtones as Hip Hop influence on African Americans since this market is and always will be controlled by white America.

If you think we have lost our identity as a people, then you have to pick and chose your battles. Have we lost ourselves on an Oprah level? Then the same can be said about Ludacris as well. But everybody goes thru this process. Oprah admitted on her show about being sexually abused and becoming promiscuous because of her experience. She faced her demons and turned it into a positive. Ludicris followed a lifestyle trend as well. If he is rapping about his experience with women, then he is entitled to voice his opinion because he is speaking about his truths. I listened to his called �U's a Ho�. I totally related to his message because I have come across women like this in my search for love. None of you cannot say that people like this does not exist. Come on! And with his transition from Hip Hop into acting, I think he has taken a huge step to use his powerful past to create a positive future for his art. Both Oprah and Ludacris deserve and are entitled to their transitions.

If we allow this Oprah and Ludacris thing to continue, it will turn into something ugly. Look at what happen to the East Coast � West Coast battle. Did we really have to lose Biggie and Tupac? We as a people fueled this and cause it to happen. The sad part is that we could have stopped it at anytime. Try explaining that to Ms. Afeni Shakur and Ms. Voletta Wallace. Check out the Boondocks episode of �Return of the King� and see what I mean. If a brother can create a message in a cartoon for you to understand, then it should not be that hard for you to comprehend. We are doing it to ourselves and we have allowed the U.S. government use undercover methods of slavery that we are choosing to ignore.

Oprah has done what she needed to do to survive and make it in a business that is predominately controlled by white America. Although I am proud of her, I see that she has forgotten some of our struggle and people along the way. But let�s not be stupid. Look at what happen to Arsenio Hall with the Honorable Louis Farrakhan! One of the most successful Black late night talk shows that was beating out its competition. David Letterman and their great white hope Johnny Carson. What happen to the show? It disappeared into nothingness because of his stand for African Americans. Arsenio�s career has not been the same since and he has done more for Hip Hop (both the negative and the positive rappers) than any other show I know, except BET. Oh my GOD! Let�s not talk about the sellout and brain washing of BET to African Americans!

Read about the Willie Lynch Letter for Jesus sake! Or, read Trance Formation of America by Phillps & O�Brien. Hell, even watch the Matrix 1, 2 and 3 to get an understanding of what our white civilization is doing to us. Take the Red Pill and see the truth for yourself my people. Whatever you do, bring civil conversation to the Ludacris and Oprah debate. It will allow us to proud African Americans.

I think that Ludacris should be outraged, offended and repulsed by the idea of Oprah, who I initially had the upmost respect for...would not allow him to express his true identity and profession on her show. I tell that all of those Billions must be going to my girl's (O.W.) head. Hip Hop also gives a positive message in songs and expresses the heart and soul of some African American....heck all American's in our society. For one of the most influential African American women in our society to publicly sustain such resentment for these performers while allowing others the participate in her shows is setting a double standard and unacceptable, regardless of who she is and how much money she has. Maybe Oprah needs to go back and revisted the true essence of the "Color Purple".

I have the show on tape, and I did not see Oprah disrespect Luda.

Luda is upset because he was there to discuss CRASH not music, however CRASH is about racism & this lead to a discussion about the word NIGGER.

Oprah simply told an anecdote about being called a NIGGA by Nelson Mandella's security guard. When they asked him he said that, it was because he sees blacks call themselves that in the videos. At that point all eyes turned on Ludacris who just laughed it off.

Oprah never dissed Luda but simply debated all the black men on the pannel. Most of them agreed with Luda that blacks should call each other Nigga but Oprah said it has too much history and it tells the world how blacks feel about themselves.

If Luda went into a huge speech defending hip-hop, of course that's going to be edited out because the topic of the show was racial prejudice, not musical prejudice.

Also, Terrence Howard had a long emotional story to tell so they needed to make room for that.

The following question is out of ignorance:

Have there been any MC's/rappers that have given something back to the community?

later,

Vagrant

Anyone? Luda? Do you care to comment?

C'mon, there's got to be someone who knows who's funneled back $ to their peoples.

Vagrant

uh...did anybody say "wasn't Kanye on the Oprah Winfrey show?", oh wait never mind because he was.

First of all, Oprah don't owe Ludachris or any other rapper anything. If Oprah owe rappers something then the rappers owe the black community something. Most rappers rather they want to say it or not perpetuate violence, digration of women and negativity. I don't think Oprah wanted to give anybody the impression that she supports that and its nothing wrong with that. Its her show and she can do what she want to do in her house.

LUDA.....I MIGHT NOT LIKE ALL THE SONGS YOU DO.....BUT I LIKE THE WAY YOU STAND UP FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR PROFFESSION. THE "OPRAH" SHOW IS NOT DESIGNED FOR BLACK PEOPLE LIKE "YOU". DON'T TAKE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE "REVERSE RACISM"! WE SHOULD LOVE EVERYBODY RIGHT? WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE...ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT THE SAME, IN SOME WAY IT IS THE SAME. (i.e. NO COLOREDS ALLOWED) YOU CAN'T SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO ALLOW "RAPPERS"......UNLESS IT'S WILL SMITH..... ON YOUR SHOW WITHOUT LOOKING LIKE AN IDIOT. BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT "EMPOWER" THEM. WOULD IT MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER IF YOU COULD THEM BACK? BESIDES........LUDA, FOR EXAMPLE HAS SOLD OVER 30 MILLION COPIES(AND COUNTING). SORRY "O"........DON'T THINK YOU CAN CHANGE THAT BY NOT LETTING "RAPPERS" ON YOU SHOW! PLUS PROFANITY, SEX, AND ALL THE THINGS YOU HATE ABOUT RAP WERE LONG BEFORE RAPPERS.......THIER JUST MAKING MONEY FROM IT. JUST AS YOU DO FROM "GOSSIP".....AND TALKIN' SHIT ABOUT STUFF THAT ONLY PEOPLE IN YOUR "TAX BRACKET" CAN RELATE TO. OH YEAH, AND THE POOR PEOPLE WHO PRAISE YOU MORE THAN THEY DO THIER OWN RELIGION. IF OPRAH SAYS IT.....THEN IT SHALL BE DONE! THAT'S A DAMN SHAME!

Y'know,

SRW makes a particularly realistic point. While Ludacris makes his dough referring to the cunts he wants to splack (lust), the foes he wants to snuff (hate), his crew (comraderie), and let's not forget glorifying his own transcendent brilliance (pride), he's just expressing and taking part of pretty much the world we've inherited. He merely spits over 3 1/2 minute loops about what has always existed. That's his right.

The military does something simialar and gets generously funded. It uses the same mediums to promote and recruit youth. Except it's a 2 1/2 minute commercial with a catchy jingle -"Be all that you can be in the army" (giving a sense of pride and comraderie). It's purpose is to destroy the world's villains (hate dipped in "protection batter"), and I won't leave out the words of its own skeletons: "What happens in Vietnam, stays in Vietnam". Them skanks have the reputation of owning the tightest, juiciest, slickest wanton holes that side of the Greenwich Meridian.

As long as morality, prohibitions, sensibilities and social ethics become the imposed focus of "civilization", its opposite will always find a way to also state its case and fuck with things at the expense of true balance. Same applies to only projecting malice, irresponsible or ignorant behavior and ways of perception. It'll be met with resistance claiming righteouness, abstinence, strict duty, and its own version of intolerance. BOTH extremes are equally destabilizing and will forever create nothing but a lopsided form of its own opposite until we acknowledge each aspect and try to create something greater...but I could be wrong. After all, I'm just a Vagrant.

adios

ludacris is right, and oprah is right, and they both and the rest of the hiphop community need to come together and come to a truths. Let me explain myself.
Ludacris is a rapper and with rapping, you use freedom of speech, and last time i checked, in our society today, you have the rights for freedom of speech. So, ludacris felt it waz wrong of oprah, knowing the show waz about descrimination in the first place, to descriminate on luda for the simple fact hes a rapper and she dont prefer to listen to lyrics he uses in his songs. Ludacris should really fight this because oprah has main stream appeal and everyone loves her, and shes a black woman which makes it even worse that she dosnet have rappers on her show, becasue rappers are from the community, and oprah is from the same community all the rappers are from, shes probley not from the roughest parts, but she should understand everyone is not in her position to have there own show, and i think she should have a truths show with the rappers, and have on luda, jay z, ice cube, and snoop, and they all have a real talk about whats wrong with the misconseption of rappers, as though all of rappers are negative, and oprah being main stream, how people misconsept her, and her beleifs about why she cant except rappers on her show. I would even set it up since nobody else is trying, but somebody give me some numbers to call so i can get people involved, becasue this is big for the community, becasue i know alot of people in the hood dont respect oprah, becasue they think she lost herself in the mainstream life and forgot where she came from, meaning she knows the hood is not perfect, and with high power comes great response ability. But, ima say oprah is right becasue she has a right to her own freedom to who she wants on her show, but she needs to do whats right and step up to the plate, and come up with a truths, and talk about things on the concerning both of there dislikes. and luda should not give up on what he beleives is right either

Fukkkk Jamal Lyrical content isn't a bad ting if your not stupid enouugh to buy EXPlICT

Fukkkk Jamal Lyrical content isn't a bad ting if your not stupid enouugh to buy EXPlICT

Maybe Ludacris should do some humble community service to curb his ego and Oprah should puff on a phat honey blunt to get some ghetto back in her.
Then, rediscuss the topic at hand.

Vagrant

the day ludacris starts rapping about remembering your spirit, positive thought, makeovers and giving back to the community is the day i stop listening to his music.

In that case, Tom, that makes you no different than Oprah. You're just the reverse of everything she stands for. The doggie bowl's the same, it's just the puppy chow that tastes different...what has anyone proven?

-Atheist-

yeah okay. i am confused, it is called the oprah winfrey show right? if oprah decides that she does not want rappers on her show it is for a reason. oprah does not strike me as a person who holds grudges but as a person who tries to better humanity. if she feels that rappers don't necessarily embody that, then how can you tell her she is wrong. just like someone cannot tell you that you are wrong for liking rappers, its how you feel and what you like. she does not like child molesters either and she has never had any of them on her show! oprah feels like the hip hop culture promotes too many stereotypes of black america and i am not sure i disagree with that view. it makes black men look like they are all gangstas, who care only about punani and diamonds. that's definitely not the image of black men that i want people to have because that only encourages racism and discrimination. how can you not see a connection there? it is blatantly obvious

fuck all ya'll

Hey jim its past your bedtime. Go to your room and stuff that pillow up your cunt while your at it. If we can't smother your face its best its somethin else.

Just yankin' your nipples jim...youre a good guy.

People have lost site of Luda's original argument, that Oprah wouldn't let him on the show despite the fact that he was going on as an Actor, not a Rapper. JB, the very first person to respond to this, stated that it was an invalid argument, but it was completely valid. Oprah's show was hosting the cast of Crash, was Chris Bridges a.k.a. Ludacris not an essential part of the cast? Yes, he was. Therefore he, like every other important cast member, had a write to be on the show. More importantly his opinions are important. Just because he is a Hip-hop artist doesn't mean he can't formulate valid opinions about whatever they were discussing, especially in regards to race. I'm sure more than most he can speak from the heart on matters on racism and discrimination. Its ironic that Oprah discriminated against him and then a main topic of the show was discrimination.

Oprah? Who cares? Does anyone who matters actually watch her anymore. BTW, is she fat now or on another diet?

1stt off,, Jesus is Black, the goverment lied about 911...and r.kelly did rape dat gurl

..it's obvious that oprah is against rap, obviously shes gonna say as an excuse that she likes rap..if u were blamed for discriminating rapperss ,, u 'd probably say the same thign. Hiphop has always been misunderstuud homey..Ussually the ppl who dont understand it..is against it. I think that she feels bringing rappers to her show will make her lose her fans....ppl all say watch out who u beef with..fuk dat... Ice cube 50 n luda alll have proof & facts...Oprah has neither...All she can say is.. "I like hiphop, i have 50cents song in the club ..in ma ipod".....Buddddie indaclub wuss the onli song that made him Famouss,,,if i dint kno much bout 50 i'd say the same thing..c'z errryone know he did dat songg.
N ice cube..well y is it...for the whole cast of barbershop the movie..how come the whole Cast wuss was on her show..exept ice cube?...asss a matter of fact,, he wasnt evn told that the cast n crew wus on da oprah show....the funny thing is he's da main character in the movie.

No1ne knows who's side oprah's on..but to be honest i dn't think she even know's herself, i feel like she feels her carreeer is more important than her degnity..maybe she does listen to hiphop, but jus doesnt want her white fans to knoww...Jeeeee i dnooOh...it all comes clear to mEe....Y'all think c'z shes oprah she can get a way of not admiting she h8tes rap, wen she Doess. No disrespect to oprah,, but she know's if sshee ever brought any rapperr...LIke 50, cube, snooop...or evn tupac if he was allowed....She wuud nvr invite them..Esspcially pac, n u kno it. But w.e thas how i feel.

i love oprah BUT i feel that it wrong for her to dis hip-hop like that because hip-hop is my life.
most people dont think so but music can take u many places.just look around

Get along my brothers and sisters. I don't care how much power you have. You will still not be able to do like other's in the society. You'll just be a wealthy ni--a! That is how you'll be seen. Then, we go around bashing one another. They love it. Peace, check yourself fool.

Oprah helps a lot of people... and is VERY well known around the globe!... BUT people have their ways... people have their preferences and opinions... and I don't think that it was right for her to bring in LUDACRIS' behind the movie into the conversation while he was there on her show ONLy TO PROMOTE THE movie crash!

The statement Ludacris made ""...she gave me a hard time as a rapper when I came on there as an actor"

Made perfect sense!

It simply means that he was on the show as CHRIS BRIDGES THE ACTOR..... NOT Ludacris the rapper...

Luda do yo thang. First of all, oprah doesn't even listen to your music, she hears one song and thinks she can tell you about yourself. Ask oprah (hoppo beat me!) winfrey, that if you were not a rapper, who made those songs would you be on her show anyway, and if you were broke and not a rich rapper would she take it upon herself to take care of you and your family. She is not going to be responsible for you and your well being, your responsible to take care of yourself and govern yourself within the guidelines of the law. If he not breaking laws, oprah leave the man alone. Oprah you don't even come to the hood, wit ya punk azz! At least luda still deal with his people. Get ya mind right and stop hatin oprah, Im out.

Not everyone appreciates being talked down to, especially by those backed primarily by a white audience. Most especially by someone who does not even own the words that come out of their mouths because they're owned by white industry leaders. I'm not talking about Oprah by the way, I'm talking about Ludacris. As much as many of the brothers and sisters want to hate on Oprah, she is one of the few black people who owns everything she produces. This is not true of Ludacris and most rappers (including rappers turned actors) who are at the beck and call of white record distributors (fuck what you heard about the labels, distributors run this shit) who are peculiarly invested in rappers willing to sell the black community out like true pimps. Pimping, by the way, is a metaphor for selling out a people when rappers found out that there was more money in gangsta rap than in spitting conscious lyrics (i.e Brand Nubian's "Wake Up" was banned by MTV). So for most of you so-called true hip hop heads supporting most of this bullshit, let's get the record skrait. White boys in the suburbs wanted to here more about niggaz killin niggaz in the
ghetto than they wanted to hear about black self-empowerment. You can read this shit in any academic book on the history of hip hop. Dyson recently reiterated this well-known fact for the umpteenth time in his latest book Pride. Educated hip hop heads know shit like Ludacris is bojangling for the white boys from way back. Is it any wonder when he meets a grown ass black woman like Oprah, he feels fucking cheated? Oprah owns her own fucking show. Lude just hawks sneakers for Nike.

Niggas love miggas. Real Afrikan people don't have time for fucking whining sell out ass bitches like wannabee "gangsta" rappers. Ain't nothin gangsta in your flow: Whitey massa boss, please give me a job so I can call blk women bitches and hoes for you and shoot up "niggers" for you. I love the KKK, massa, 'cause I'm made in the USA! (A tap atap tap)

SHAME ON THOSE WHO CRITICIZE, OPRAH!

For one moment let us put this whole "hip hop" view a side. I am extremely disgusted by this negativity towards Oprah. One of the most recognized, and wealthiest black woman in the world." She is the greatest humanitarian of the twenty first century.

This whole controversy makes me wonder if this stems from negativity that black men have towards black women. I am well aware that some of you out there may react strongly to what I am about to say, however we must acknowledge that there is a definitive gap between black men and black women. (I am merely making an observation). Needless to say, I wonder if this could be part of the reason for so much hostility from the �rap community� (predominately black males) towards �Oprah� (a powerful black women).

However, until I see rappers giving away million to the less fortunate; or paying college tuitions for hundreds; or providing hundreds of homes for those who have none; or holding the hands of children in Africa stricken with aids, the rap community needs to �shut up� and follow Oprah lead. Rather then criticizing her.

Instead, I read about rappers such as Jay-Z travelling to Africa to performing concerts and selling tickets that would be a month�s salary to most Africans, if not more.

One word, "BITCH" Oprah has forgotten shes BLACK and is ashamed of her black culture, all that money can make the world go round, hell even make a person forget what racial form and culture they really are.
So fuck you very much Oprah, Luda didnt need none of your bull shit.
He's just another black man trying to get on, and rich mother fucking whores like yourself (Oprah) gotta go and put a nigga down.
Fuck You Oprah! Fuckin HOE

The way that I see all of this is that Oprah thinks that all hip hop artists are the same and they all rap about women.I personally think that Oprah should make everyone that comes on to her show feel as comfortable as she can even if she doesnt want them there whether it be Ludacris, Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle or 50cent.I do think that Oprah should remember that she also is black herself and stop looking down on Ludacris because he is a rapper.

I mean Ludacris had came on her show as a actor not as a rapper.
It shouldnt matter if Ludacris is a rapper or not.
I trully believe that all black celebrities whether it be Ludacris or Oprah should try to make a good name for all BLACK PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD.
Some black celebrities are making a really bad name for all black people all over the world. I dont want to be mentioning names here.
Take me for example I live in Australia I'm black myself and been in Australia nearly all of my life and down here the way the white people see black people is that all the black men here are all GANGSTERS and the black women are HOES. And that makes a people like me look bad.

I would first like to say that as Abraham Lincoln once said, "judge not, and be not judged." I am an African-American female and a mother of two boys. I live in a very small town, where not a lot seems to happen. There isn't a whole lot to do here so when i am not working or taking care of my boys, I do have the opportunity to catch the Oprah show from time to time. I feel that Oprah is an outstanding person in general. But one thing I feel that we are not considering is that SHE IS HUMAN just like everyone else. She will make mistakes just like the rest of us. She will eventually die one day and she will have to give an account just like we all will one day. I feel that we as viewer's have given her too much power. In certain instances, it like she is God. Oprah has set a very good example for women, especially black woman. She has been that role model to some, but not all. There is of course two sides to every story. First of all, the thing I think I would disagree with a lot of people on is Oprah's dedication and concern for African-American women. For someone to have the kind of power and prestige that she has, it is amazing to me how when you watch her show, the majority of her audience is white women. It is like she has moved away from have a blck audience and discussing black issues to cater to white America (my own personal opinion). Yes, she has helped Africans, yes she has helped Katrina victims, and yes she has a charity. But like the individual stated earlier (brooklynnasir) there is still much work to do right here in America. It is not just her job, everyone is responsible. We as Aerican's need to stop trying to rescue the rest of the world when our own country is still in jeopardy of sinking.

As far as the whole issue with Ludacris goes, I personally love his music. But that is because I understand him. I can relate to him. Until you have lived or grown up in the ghetto, the projects, on THE BLOCK, or in some type of poverty area, you won't understand Luda or hip-hop in general. He speaks what he knows. That's what hip-hop and rap is about. It is a form of story-telling. Just like say Gretchen Wilson. Is her music any better or differnt because she is white and country. No, she sings about what she knows. When the reality is, is that hip-hop and rap stars say the things that the rest of black America don't have the voice to say. You can't ask a zebra to change its stripes. Everyone wants to jump on the issue of men calling women bitches and Ho's, but in reality until women stand up and refuse to go on t.v with their ass cheks and breast hanging out, what do we expect. My mother taught me that a man can only do to you what you let him. If you demand respect you will get it. If you act and carry yourself like a ho, than that's what you will be labled as. However, if Oprah has a stereotype against rappers in general, I do think that is wrong, because they may have similar lyrics, but they are still individuals and should be treated as such. It's that famous saying, never judge a book by its cover.

I think it is wrong for Oprah to judge rappers the way that she do. That's why I'm glad that OutKast refused her invitation to the show. She must forgets that she is black. She needs to remember that we are all stereotyped as black people, no matter how much money you have. Do she not remember how those people did her at the store... I have forgotten where it was... But she felt that she was done wrong, why you may ask... because she was a N-I-G-G-A. I don't care if she has billions of dollars, this is a white man's world. I am a fan of Ludacris... I love that man! and I feel like he will still have album sales.. Screw Oprah. All rappers will still have album sales without her aged out show. It's for middle aged white women anyway. Maybe that's why God didn't bless her to have children, she don't even know her self, so that child would have been totally lost. She also forgets how "promiscuous" she was when she was young. We do what we do when we are young, it's the old fools who have lived a worthless life... i'm out

that was rude of oprah to make herself look good by editing stuff out. and all of you that think it was luda's bad, think again. and look at both sides of the problem. oprah can do whatever she wants, but why would she do that to make someone look bad? i'm not speakin against her, i'm speaking the truth. i respect her, but what she did was uncalled for.

What would you get if Luda shoved his meat-herpes into Mama Ope's leaky twat and filled her to the brim with his white sauce? I'd sure like to see. You think that would slam the nail into this casket of a forum? I hope not. This is much too meaningless to not watch unfold. Heehee :)

Come on everyone. HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE!!!

The Couscous man cometh

Hey Diverse, you said when was the last time that a black band was signed to a major label?

There is a hip hop band that has been signed to a major label for 13 (or 12) years. They have won a Grammy,and though overshadowed by the "negative yet more popular" rap acts, they stil (in my opinion) are one of the best rap acts in music. They are THE ROOTS.