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This dude is terrible and represents everything that plagues rap music. He stole his name from a California drug dealer (Freeway Rick Ross) and then tries to use that persona on record like he is or was really a big time drug dealer. Talking about the real Noriega owes him 100 favors? He also stole Freeway's name and look! But this guy has a most anticipated album coming out? All because he's talking about drugs and showcasing zero lyrical skills? Wow.

jsmooth You dont know nothin about rick ross or Miami.If you knew Miami youd know drugs run this city.Rap artists tell it how it really is.Rick Ross keep doin yo thing.Jsmooth its ok I know why your hattin.Miami and all the south took over.We have been riding on big rims showin gold teeth and dreds for a long time and now the rest of the states are just catching on.Following us.thats right bitch.Thats why your hattin.Rick Ross raps about what you need to do to survive in the hiest crime drug capital and poorest city in the states.He aint braggin bitch.he tells it how it is.What people in Miami go through to put food on the table.Shut your grill jsmooth puta.You neva been to Miami.if you do you would end up in a boddy bag with ten thousand bullets from the first nigga you see with an ak-47.Go back to your winter wounderland and sleep on it puta.

I just have to say rick ross is hot. i feel what the boy is saying. you dont have to be from the south to feel that. hustling and grinding is the way of life whether youre doing it legally or illegally, you gotta do what you gotta to eat. to feed your fam and yourself. rick ross explains that. in his music. i mean he may overexagerated things like every rapper in the game. but so what.

and its about time the south blew up. and got money and showed the world something. but honestly i do hate the candy coated rap thats coming out the game right now- like d4l. and the millions acts just like them.that music there is fucking hip hop up. but alot of folks from the east coast hate the south rappers cause thats all they talk about. when no longer than 5 yrs ago. all you can hear in rap was crystal,rolex, 500's blunts and bitches. and now that south is doing and selling music. the nyggas that are no longer doing is mad.

times change nygga get over it. everyone shines. the east shined. then the west shine. and the east shined again and now its time for the south to shine.

what do u think the south and the west were saying when new york rappers were rapping about shyt they did in they hometown and shyt and coming to the south trying to run shyt. now that the south is on top and traveling and get this paper and coming to NY and so on living like stars. nyggas hate it-

im in North Carolina. From New Jersey and i got love for both places.

and i love hiphop as a whole and thats why im doing music myself.

to the nyggas hating on the south. why dont you come down here to the south. and experience. whats down here. and then youll see why folks buy the music. its the way people live down here.

the club scene is big. the south makes music they can get play in the car and in the clubs. and thats why you hear lil jon. ti scarface- luda and so on in the clubs. all over the US and on the radio. cause people hear that song in the club and buy the cd after wards.

east coast rappers still stuck on that ol school 95 shyt. there fore. nyggas have moved on.. and all the haters still mad

im love lyrical music. I am a big fan of nas,tupac,biggie krs one rakim common talib kweli mos def wutang ras kass canibus jayz mad skillz scarface but

at the same time. i do like the south. not all the south. just whats hot. if its hot its hot.
and that goes for all music if its hot. its hot.

nyggas just dont think the south is lyrical because all the hear is a country accent and all they see is country nygga. gold teeth. 23's and shyt and say fucc them they aint lyrical

im in the south. and im reppin the south. anybody feel like im not hot when you check out my music.
let me know

and im proud to repp NC all day..
and yes the south has lyricalist

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Jsmooth must be a bitch cracker from tha north east like massachusets maine or soft york.That cracker j smooth needs to be in a niggaz trunk.Back that up.

jsmooth get sprayed in dade. Rick Ross keep doing yo thing let tha world know how we do in tha county of dade.

Vist Miami tha 305 n tha pigs will be scrapin yo punk ass of tha street.some nigga need to help jsmooth get that stick out his ass and bring him a dounut quick.Rick ross,trick daddy, trina,dj khaled,smitty,piccillo,and tha list is to long for this shit.THA M.I.A. IS FIRE.

Waz tha deally rick ross is on top.He got tha fire for real.Nigga come play in tha M.I.A. first than tell me he is exagerating.The good thing about Miami rappers is they aint no studio gangstaz Like in other cities Them niggaz is real.This aint no game.Its a movement remember I told you that.studio gangstaz like in other cities.Gotta send a shot out to all my niggaz in my hood.LITTLE HAITI.Str8 out that Miami-dade county.

Rick ross is cool.What I like about Miami rappers is they are not studio.they are the real deal.Dont mess with them kats in Miami.They will kill you I seen the streets down there.Not many live to tell about it.Im tellin you some shit beleave that.

Dont anyone hate on Ricky Ross hes da real shit cuz i grew up in the same area he did Carol City and it is wat he say it is

RickRoss is flava!!!!

Rick Ross is fire. Thats my nigga right there. he's reppin Dade to the fullest. I'm tired of all dez fuckin haters. If you don't know jack shit about da M.I.A. then keep yo fuckin mouth shut. these bitches like jsmooth belong in a fuckin swamp chopped up in a duffel bag.the south is whats hot so shut ya mouth and listennn bitch. Rick Ross is da truth. I had to get dat shit off my chest. Now I made my peace$

Rick Ross is fire. Thats my nigga right there. he's reppin Dade to the fullest. I'm tired of all dez fuckin haters. If you don't know jack shit about da M.I.A. then keep yo fuckin mouth shut. these bitches like jsmooth belong in a fuckin swamp chopped up in a duffel bag.the south is whats hot so shut ya mouth and listennn bitch. Rick Ross is da truth. I had to get dat shit off my chest. Now I made my peace$

Sorry bout the double post. I must been real pissed. just playin

Y'all watch the news?

You know how our aunts, uncles, moms and grandmoms always say, "How come everytime they show some black folks on the news it's always somebody lookin' like they ain't got no sense??".

Because whitey love to see black folks make a fool of themselves.

The urban pop that's coming outta the south right now is the snaggle-tooth, loudmouthed crackhead that's always spotlighted on the news to represent us.

We shouldn't be proud of that shit.

I posted a link to a forum that Smooth had up that discussed his love for the south.

Y'all should read that. Also y'all should reread this page.

Smooth, wasn't the one who posted the comments against Rick Ross. It was a poster by the name of "Dun".

Check yourself before you come on another dude's site and spew venom at him.

Show some class.

Don't be a dickrider. It probably hurts.

-Black People

dj a kaze stop hattin.How old are you 80?Whaere are you from?the north east? In case you didnt know Rap music is a window for the rest of the world to see how black people struggle in the hoods that we grow up in.Its a way to express their world that they where forced to grow up in You are the one putting black people down its not the crackers or as you say whitties lol it people like you making false comments and calling rap artists crack heads.You are a discrase to black people.As far as the news Yea we watch the news.did you know that at least here in Miami half the news casters are black.The other half are hispanic.Let rick ross and all the rest of the Miami artists show the world how most of the people in Miami live.If they dont no one will and there will be no hope for change.Oh yea fuck haters like you.Fuck the north east.the south owns you bitch.

Rick Ross raps about doing his drug shit.
This will be good for about a few plays in the car.
Then the next drug hustlin bastard will come along.

Ross raps about drugs and hustlin. Nothing special here. Just something to play in your car till the next 'drug guy' comes along.
This rap is getting repetative.

Before I get back at you. I'm gonna teach you how to read internet forums and give you a chance to apologize to Jay Smooth and DJ A Kaze.

Soooo, first: After you read a posting, the name that's listed UNDER the posting is the name that references the author/writer.

It is not the name that is posted ABOVE the writings.

So as you will see, the initial posting that got you worked up was from a poster by the name of "Dun". Not Smooth. Even if you were to read your own postings you will notice that the moniker that you select appears UNDER your writing. You owe Jay Smooth and this community an apology for your flaming.

Understand now?

-Black People

(Once you are able to understand and grasp this basic, simple and fundamental concept we will go on to the product that is coming out the South.)

alls i gotta say is that u guys r the ones hating man... im from boston and ive been to M.I.A. and i love the southern rappers and yes rick ross is the real deal... i like him cuz hes a real nigga and 4 one thing there really ant to many real people out there... but all u people say "oo fuck u haters" u guys r fucken haten ur self dont hate on the north east...cuz we got fire r selves up here... so stop u bitchez stop haten

ALL THESE GUYS TALK ABOUT DRUGS GUNS JEWELS AND SAY THE NORTHEAST IS COPYING. NEWS FLASH ALL THESE SO CALLED "KINGPINS" ARE BITING ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE....ITALIANS..GET A CLUE WHO REALLY SHOWED THESE GUYS HOW TO MAkE MONEY

yeeeeeea....im from Texas, born n' raised...but i aint feelin rick...everything he says i heard, hooks done been used round here, nothing against miami, just you guys got rick ross and he sucks, jus like us Texans got Mike Jones the military robot whose system keeps skipping and he repeats himself on every single song...maybe some of yall like em n' thats cool..personally i aint feelin it. the south aint all the same, and like wodie up there done said, we really shouldnt be proud how the south is being repped...some of its tite, cuz we is crunk n' wutnot...but these eastcoast homeboys think the south aint lyrical...nothing against them either, but we need a real artist to rep for us pimp, and rick ross just aint doin that....unless ridin chevys on lift kits 24's n' hustlin out more drugs than any of yall have ever seen is how u wanna be thought of...not me...ima southern lyricist, not southern rapper.....duece

yeeeeeea....im from Texas, born n' raised...but i aint feelin rick...everything he says i heard, hooks done been used round here, nothing against miami, just you guys got rick ross and he sucks, jus like us Texans got Mike Jones the military robot whose system keeps skipping and he repeats himself on every single song...maybe some of yall like em n' thats cool..personally i aint feelin it. the south aint all the same, and like wodie up there done said, we really shouldnt be proud how the south is being repped...some of its tite, cuz we is crunk n' wutnot...but these eastcoast homeboys think the south aint lyrical...nothing against them either, but we need a real artist to rep for us pimp, and rick ross just aint doin that....unless ridin chevys on lift kits 24's n' hustlin out more drugs than any of yall have ever seen is how u wanna be thought of...not me...ima southern lyricist, not southern rapper.....duece

Fuck Ya all Rick ross blos. North EasT motha fuckaaa!!

yo ThisNiggaFromGoulds. it looks like we made the same fuckin mistake. I'll man up and apoligize to smooth I was just goin off what erybody else said. but I want ya get yo shit right and realize that I wasnt the one talkin about the news and shit.But I aint gonna diss BP because he's the one tryin to educate us on how this shit works. so I'm a let that whack shit he said fly. On yeah fuck Deiodre Callle- He needs to shut his trap before I spray piant his brains on a wall wit a calico

Relating to the topic, I like where this shit is goin. Its nice to hear what people from different areas think. We just need to cut the fuckin drama.

Mad respect DJ A Kaze for manning up.

Yo, in an effort not to really repeat myself (but y'all my fam so if I got to I will. Y'all worth it.) I tried to post a link up to a page that smooth had up in April that is very popular.

So popular, in fact that the postings went from April till late July.

Smooth hasn't had a chance to update the site so his spam filter hasn't cleared my link to his old page that I posted here. That's why it hasn't shown up.

But anyway go to the homepage, scroll down on the left until you see June 2006.

Click that, scroll down to the first three postings and you'll see something about a new Nas song but there will be a phrase that's hyperlinked that reads "as previously stated".

Click that and you can see where the whole Northeast vs. South thing has gone. (at the very top you'll see me and Smooth go back and forth as he professes his love for the South)

Catch up there (you'll notice you have a ton of supporters) and I'll meet you back here.

Out.

-Black People

Yo, and I been down to Miami. I vacation down there. At the Loews on Collins Ave. Get my Gucci shit from Bal Harbour. I've been all over, bruvas.

Why don't we just spend our time arguing over rappers? I must say that Ricky Ross is a generic, heavy rotated southern rapper that focuses his music mostly on drugs and the dealer's way of life. But hey, what else is there to do in Miami? I feel him. Something different about this cat. You people don't even understand hip-hop! Get in the game niggas, ya'll talkin all kinds of bullshit. Let that nigga Ricky Ross do his thang and get off the bandwagon. He can rap about slangin' caine if he feels like it. He could rap about fairytales and Peter Pan shit if he wanted to! And you know what? I bet he'd still get paid. 1st Amendment rights!

One Love

wats good black?
for this forum i really have nuthin 2 say bout rick ross, but that there is nothin segnificant bout him. he's nuthin new,but ppl seem 2 follow his shit.
wats so ill bout him?
drop an ill verse that make u rewind wat he said?
bottom line hes nuthin special.

Peace NYC,
What up? You know what, tho? I think they got it. They might be startin to get what we sayin. Wack shit can only last for so long anyway.

To the dude who made the point about rapping about whatever, whenever...come on man you got to know that blatant negativity through music is dangerous for our people? Too much of that shit is no good.
On the other hand proclaiming how dope you are as an emcee or expressing yourself through sick rhymes is gonna inspire and make a muvafucka create premium product.

We a growing people and white people gettin all the doough on the planet. We gotta to start coming around. This shit that they are making only gets greenlit because that's the way whiteys want us to view ourselves.

Don't let these muvafuckas call you bitch and rob you.
Jay-Z already said he would dumb his shit down to double his dollars.
How does that make you feel as a consumer?
Does that help you put things in perspective? Do you finally see why this dumb shit keeps getting heavily promoted?

I ain't sayin the shit should be daisy aged or whatever. but, think man, think. be honest.

do you wanna program the youth with shit that glamourizes the pitfalls of ghetto upbringin', cuz?

That shit only makes a youngster feel his options are limited. Like all the bad shit is vogue and stylish.

Use your head.
Your kids and the future are at stake.

-Black People

consider the following concept and see if you can draw some parellels to what's happened in the hiphop game:

you 'member slavery?
did you know that black muvafuckas sold other black muvafuckas to the white dudes (toubobs)?
Meditate on that.

one last thing to you down south dudes. y'all my fam and I ain't gon let musical tastes separate us.

so i hate in these debates when you guys say shit that make you look stupid.

for instance: I keep hearing y'all say that y'all rock gold fronts now and that several years ago we was rapping about dough and crime etc., etc.,

yo, if it was done by one party and that party stops and you pick up the leftovers, what does that tell you?

that the shit is played out. that it ain't in no more.

when you brag about that it shows that you are behind the times.

it make you seem slower. Something that N/East heads been saying for a minute.

think.

Use ya' head.

Out.

-Black People

Jsmooth got some things mix up, Ive have already downloaded "Port of MIA" and its good its worth buying I guess, but its definitely not something people should be anticipating greatly on and its not the album of the summer or year.

Yo Black I get what your sayin. I read this interview wit Immortal Technique, he a rapper from the northeast if ya don't know. harlem to be specific.He said the same exact shit about the the execs. takin all the $ from the success of da south. He said that the south was ignored for a while and now even though most the shit sound the same the execs. endorse it because it makes money.

I can agree wit moat of that shit but it nots like the south just became hot for nuthin. some niggaz got real talent out here. and they gon be overheard or ignored because of the stereotype that alot of you northeast muthafuckas have about the south as whole.

Holla back. Peace

KaZe.

"some niggaz got real talent out here. and they gon be overheard or ignored because of the stereotype that alot of you northeast muthafuckas have about the south as whole".

i hope u kno that the "stereotype" goes back to ne coast no matter where u from. dont put it ALL on us. we get it from the south as well.for example they say ny rappers just kill 100's of ppl in most of their songs.

N no body is saying that there is no talent down south. but if there is, im not seeing nething.
unless u consider young dro n young joc amazingly talnted mc's. all the southern rappers contributed 2 the stereotype that was built up just as the ny rappers did it for themselves.

n its the stereotype that made yall hot, common man,there is nuthin much lyrical commmin out of the south thats makin yall big n thats a a tru fact. it was all that "shoulder lean" n "stunner shades" type of b.s thats makin ppl buy the records.

first off stunner shades is that dumb hyphy bullshit from the west. and you cats from N.Y. got to know we aren't all feeling yong jok and pretty much the rest of atl.
all of you think about it for a moment most of the worthless shit coming out is from atl ... for example ... d4L , young dro , young joc , DFB , all of that ! i keep saying this, if a stupid dance is all you have your worthless.
but the south also has greats such as ... z-ro , trae , bunb , pimp c , lil wayne .

and one last thing you cant blame ALL of it on the south ! theres garbage everywere you turn.
in the west is that shitty hyphy garbage.

and in the east is dipset ... oh and busta rhymes saying he's the king of newyork.
and your biggest problem is G-unit (need i say more?)
so anyway, if we want to blame anybody for the current state of hiphop its all of us that caused this not just the south.

yea, ok
but i wont deny that NY has some wac shit. it does just liek newhere, but not nearly as much as the south. bottom line.
G unit's been garbage n so is dip set but southern dudes still cant even touch the lyrcis of Lloyd Banks or even Jr writer they're lyrics r still wayyy more advanced then wayne or ugk, n if u disagree ur definatly on sum shit or just lookin out 4 ur pplz

Rick Ross is garbage, new age rap is garbage fuck the commercial shit! Everyone in here that likes that kind of shit are just fucking idiots. I dont give a shit about how much money they got, i dont give a shit about how big there rims are, rap is really going downhill... What happened to the good shit. The keep coming out with the same shit over and over because of dumbasses like you people that buy trash and make them rich.

i just wannna say the dirty south got the worst rappers in the rap game,they cant rap all they do is memtion there rims and stuff like dat,yung joc suck,lil scarppy sucks,mike jones sucks,t.i. sucks,u cant name any rappers from new york that sucks except them dudes over at dip set

Rick Ross is no hustler, he was a
Correctional Officer for South Florida Deception Center back in 96,97.

some people don't understand the difference between lyrical skills and a popular song. Each side of the map has their individual sound that they have developed and grown to know so most rap fans will discriminate against music from other coast. Being on 106th and park top ten countdown does not make you one of the best rappers. Making a lot of money does not make you the best rapper because if it did then will smith would be in your top 5. As far as rick ross,I don't know if he's real or fake and really don't give a fuck but as far as his lyrical skills, he doesn't sound any different than the other shit that's been on the radio for the past 2 years. I agree with some of the other comments like the dirty south having quite a few of the worst rappers but that's because their at the top right now.As soon as another side of the map takes over people will complain about the rappers from that area because there are plenty of wack rappers from other coast just as there are plenty of tight ones also.

It's so funny how we niggas feel that it's positive 4 every rapper to rap about dope and violence. That its opening peoples eyes 2 what goes on in the hood. Who the fuck doesn't already know that black men kill each other over dope and other dumb shit. There are more Spanish and Asian kids continuing on to college than black kids and all we offer in rap songs is dope and guns. How inspiring. Those Spanish and Asian kids will be the Attorneys and Judges who will send all these dumb mutha fuckas to jail for slangin dope and murder. good job to all the rappers who got fans buying that bullshit. and good job to all the fans who support negative BLACK stereotype .rims, bitches, kicks, grillz, chains, guns and drugs-everything BLACK AMERICA needs just about now.

Lexx Starr sais pussy York its funny seein that the person who signed rick ross is from NEW YORK

White people buy more rap music than any other race. We Black folks bootleg shit. White folks support that garbage becuz they doin they work- feeding our hunger for ignorant dumbshit. Why the hell would any Black person buy garbage-not music-talking about selling drugs, killing other Black Men and goin to jail? Big ups to blogger
g fila, read his blog. The Hip Hop industry worships niggas with street cred-sold drugs, killed someone, shot someone, went to jail. I have never known any Society in the World that supports that shit in their communities. Never. A person will have to be so fucking jacked up mentally to waste their money on this Rap Trash. We think becuz a few Athletes, Entertainers, Actors have money so Black America is fine. Look at pictures from Katrina. Yes, look at those pictures. And that is a very, very, small percentage of Black America. Wake up folks. Wake the fuck up. Don't support that garbage and keep your kids away from it. Read g fila blog. That brotha is 4 real for what he spitting on these blogs.

Aight, Reppin From The UK here. Heard Ross' Hustlin' on a Westwood Tape and since i been waitin for this shit to come and now it has i wish i never did. Alot people will come now stop hatin you fuckin pussy go drink some tea or shit. Well if you do i'll laugh in your face put you on yo' knees and you can suck my dick. Peace to all the real peeps who actually KNOWS what the UK is like. Peace

thats funny that u all is bitching at the wrong guy, I like ross but its funny when people dont even know who da fuk to bitch at, duma azz niggas

DO NOT BUY RAP MUSIC

DO NOT BUY RAP MUSIC

DO NOT BUY RAP MUSIC

DO NOT BUY RAP MUSIC

DO NOT BUY RAP MUSIC

WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?

BECAUSE SINGING ABOUT

SELLING DOPE

KILLING PEOPLE

ROBBING PEOPLE

DOES NOT HELP BLACK PEOPLE. PERIOD.

You might be going a little too far, "G".

Absolutes, don't solve problems.

Besides, you CAN buy the Percee P album. He raps his ass off.

Absolute conclusions: don't do this, don't do that -- don't attack problems at the root.

Perhaps you could just examine what's available, build up your own resiliency and support the dope shit even harder.

Not buying rap music won't achieve your desired effect.

You can't silence the people.

Just help them filter.

Peace.

-Black People

Yeah i understand yalls comments,I am from the south myself, I see drugs/prostitutes and poor children all the time.I make music about and ease my struggle.I see alot of yalls blogs relating to stereotyping other races too.Now im the most chill dude on the block man, and im not too fond with the racial slurs either.Personally to me man i dont care what race you are, you got talent then you can take the glory with you.Alot of the people around here say you have to be black or latino to rap or produce music and beats in general and i think that shits wrong to begin with.Now i understand this slavery back in the day was wrong and i know that.But black people sold other blacks to Whites to work for them.I think hip hop needs a new clean up krew and make hip hop what it really should be.Hip hop should be an international relationship within the artists and audience, not skin color.

why some of yall ignorant fucks putting black people as yalls ending.? thats fucking lame for real, that shows yalls personality big time.

makk
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www.myspace.com/makk39191

"Makk",
I put Black People as my handle. It has been my handle on this thread and on several other threads on this site for a very long time. Check into it.
As you will note, all of my posts have been mature, clear and very far from ignorant. In fact, I was the one who pointed out the charlatans in the slave trade (take a look above).
The reason I chose and continue to use my Black People handle is because non-white people of color need some shine.
Now, back to hiphop...

-Black People

"Ok" Mr.Smart Ass,

i see that you want to be known as the smartest son bitch on this planet.I personally dont give a fuck if you shine or not.As i said i said i dont give a fuck if YOU shine or not.And nah that aint referring to your skin, or ethnicity background.My bestfriends are black homie, and im the least to judge someone for something fucking stupid like that.I just dont like when someone puts dumb fucking comments like that as a closing statement.So if i put "White People" as my ending, you wouldnt think that i was racist man?Be real man and stop saying non white people need to shine, the white people that are rich are fucking nerdy and aint got much to live for anyways.I aint rich and im white, you saying i cant shine cause im white man?Now thats a fucking racial slur and you should be embarrased to fucking speak my man.Just keep talking your dumb ass shit on the internet, cause you aint about shit anyways.Where you from where you shine at "Mr.Cocky",just stop that for real.I aint got no problems with ya, but ya gotta stop with the racist shit.
makk

"Ok" Mr.Smart Ass,

i see that you want to be known as the smartest son bitch on this planet.I personally dont give a fuck if you shine or not.As i said i said i dont give a fuck if YOU shine or not.And nah that aint referring to your skin, or ethnicity background.My bestfriends are black homie, and im the least to judge someone for something fucking stupid like that.I just dont like when someone puts dumb fucking comments like that as a closing statement.So if i put "White People" as my ending, you wouldnt think that i was racist man?Be real man and stop saying non white people need to shine, the white people that are rich are fucking nerdy and aint got much to live for anyways.I aint rich and im white, you saying i cant shine cause im white man?Now thats a fucking racial slur and you should be embarrased to fucking speak my man.Just keep talking your dumb ass shit on the internet, cause you aint about shit anyways.Where you from where you shine at "Mr.Cocky",just stop that for real.I aint got no problems with ya, but ya gotta stop with the racist shit.
makk

Thanks for the compliment.

And sorry I offended you.

Now tell us how you feel about Rick Ross..?

-Black People

does your mom let you on this site bitch?

she no that you lame ? now thats a compliment bitch yeah i am talking to you, that some real shit there aint it. just do me a favor pull ya fake ass gun out and blast ya self, aight partna?
R.I.P

makk

da bahamas have da real drug kingpens everything stops in that place.(free ninty).

drugs makes this world spin.

makk stop with the e-thug bullshit and shut up! only idiots try to fight on the net. from what i've read your the only one talking shit.

now back to the subject at hand. your all saying the south has nothing but club bangers & hustlin ... so what? everytime a coast starts to shine people start to hate. its like saying the west had nothing but gangster rap . or the east had nothing but coke and conscious rappers. i dont understand why you boys out the eastcoast think every time a rapper gets on the mic he has to either pop out a thesaurus and use the longest word in it just to prove he knows what it means or he has to change the world .

rappers are a product of their environment . they rap about were they from. and if your from the same type of environment as they are chances are you understand them better than people who are'nt from there.

that's the whole point tho son, what's there to understand? reguardless of wat "environment" ur from if ur rappin ur commin outta the hood. always rappin bout clubbin n cars makes minorites seem ignorant n uncreative its like the same record keeps playing. it aint so much bout using the greatest vocabulary but b different. niggaz like ross aint doin much 4 the game, where has hip hop gone?

Good lookin out Trusouth. I wasn't really gonna have a whole lotta rap for the internet beef thing.

On the subject:
Put it like this, Say if everything was in balance.
You know,
(OH WAIT! a thought just jumped in my head! I know people ain't mad because a particular region is shinin'. We're upset because of the product. and I'm saying that to say if the south was coming out right now with creative beats, complex rhymes, more than just rhyming two words etc, then we would be supporting them now. we don't care about the where. only the what.)
oh alright where was I? ok now say if everything was in balance: you know all types of music from all the regions then everything would be cool

but things are imbalanced.
the bulk of the artists that are being pumped are dudes from down south. the bulk of the music is trendy non sampled, pop bubblegum beats. the bulk of the lyrical content is my bitch my dick my coke my rims my guns my bitch nigga this nigga that.

that is imbalance and it is no good.
and on a deeper level
sit back, close your eyes, think of history, and try to figure out why the worst music from black people is being force fed to the nation.
why?
why do you think that is?
you ever fuck around on youtube? I do. I love it.
I was watching some kids pop and lock off of some Kraftwerk jams and I clicked another link that showed white frat boys dancing and it was the first time I ever heard that lean with it rock with it garbage.

I'm peeping the way they are giggling in the videos.
And all I could say to my self is the world is laughing at us.

this is what is wrong the support of the simplistic rick ross and down south bullshit masquerading as hiphop.
it makes black people look like the jesters to the world.

and we are NOT.

yo, did you peep the other page from June where we discussed up north vs. down south? if not you may want to. it's an interesting read.

sorry for the long post. but this (music and my people) is something I feel passionate about.
very passionate.

out.

-Black People

What's good wit ya, NYCKING?

-Black People

i have one more very, very, very important thing to say.

game recognize game (tense misuse considered).

a canon is a canon anywhere he goes on the planet.

a bitch is always gonna be a bitch whether he on ocean ave in miami or 125th in harlem.

don't believe the hype.

ghettos ain't no different anywhere in the country.

a brick is roughly 22grand everywhere.
a onion (ounce) is $700. (these are non drought prices)

muvafuckas like fried chicken and hot sauce in every ghetto. chicks got fat asses. we like cheap made in third world sneakers (but we think they're expensive cuz they might run from 70-140 ones). and pickin' dope sneakers is an art. muvafuckas got high blood pressure and short tempers. we talk loud. white people don't like NONE of us. they 'ont give a fuck where we from.
um, what else? Our parents ain't got nuffin'. Koreans got stores around our way. Being smart is dumb. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

there's no difference.

a hood is a fucking hood.

the hood in miami is a hood in southeast DC is a hood in queens is a hood in texas is a hood in seatle is a hood is norf philly is a hood in baltimore is a hood in south central is a hood in atlanta is a hood in _________.

dig me?

don't be afraid of your own people. your own people aren't the ones that different from you.

wisen up to the game, bruvas.

And I'm only saying this, cuz I been to all these spots and more.

Peace.

-Black People

Peace Black,
just wonderin when new threads are gonna b posted up? kinda gettin tired of these, aint nuthin much else 2 say i think we got eeverything pretty muched covered..
wats good wit u mah dude?

ross jus keep it up dog.your bless, thats jus ya style.keep da hater vision on.

Just chillin NY. I see smooth posted something new...

My condolences to those that lost fam on the day.

Out.

-Black People

yo i just got so hype that Big L's new album is gonna drop 2007 "Real Legends never die"
damn son can't wait!

IIght I dont kno who frum da south here but it aint no joke. Im sittin at my computer in Dade County right now. Rick Ross aint bullshittin'. Dat niggas real. I myself grew up in Carver Ranches of Hollywood, FL but moved to Overtown when I was 12 and then to Carol City (173 & 42nd) by North Glade park and tha church (yall MIA niggaz kno which church I mean) when I was 14, and lived in CC until I just moved to Miramar (Sunshine nigga fuk wit it) and now I'm 17. One night my homeboy and I were playin B-Ball at North Glade when my moms told me to come get dinner and he stayed to practice. My homeboy got caught in the middle of the gunfire between CCLM (Carol City Lynch Mob) and the 187 boyz. Thank god he aint get shot, but that shyt happens on a daily basis somewhere in MIA. Opa Locka at night, u may as well call ya family and say ur goodbyes. This may sound funny but U really dont wanna get caught in Sesame street. North Miami, Carol City, Opa Locka, Liberty City, Wynwood, Scott Lake, Scott Projects, Myrtle Lake....Dont get caught up in none of those places. You'll be fuked. MIYayo Cocaine Capital nigga peace.

Oh n one more thing...This buddy Black People got his shit str8. He knows what hes sayin. Hood is hood. Oh but Black People, im white (Italian) so dont act lyk white people got there whole lyf all good wit trust fundz n rich uncles n shyt. not me.

Rick Ross is real. When he spits he makes sure tha real can taste it. Dun, for someone who dont like tha man and what he sayin you really know alot about him and his hustle.

y ppl triipin becaue rick ross says he deals?? young jeezy says the same shyt on his records some of lil wyte's songs were acid,oxycontin,my smokin song,my drinking song,good dope, all that shyt has to do with drugs cassidy made a song called crack lil wayne's fireman chrous u can spark it up and ima put you out another drug reference stp trippin let the man do his thing jus like we let evry1 else and how ppl know if he doesnt drug deal?? carrol city is a hard ass neighborhood in dade county if he has a group called carrol city cartel chances are hes flipped somting in his lifetime

and yo goodfella real shyt man i fell you my home boy from hallandale he goes to carrol city sometimes niggaz from florida know what florida really us other people have no idea no matter if your from brookyln houston oakland its not all the same the game changes just like rappers style changes and the south do have lyricists isnt lil wayne from the south??? thing is here in the south we cant just walk down the street to a record company like ny and say check this demo it dont work that way niggaz in nyc or cali privliged in the south you HAVE to be raw to be known and if ross made it he raw this man has been around since the 90s did some tracks withs some big mcs and know got his chance this aint the last florida nigga cali had there days ny had there days the games been stuck in houston 4 idk how long atlanta doin it know it floridas turn u feel

lmao... wow son
that shit was funny...
u HAVE t b raw in the south??? rick ross ... raw???
yea hes sooo original... rick ross is ill, he's doin alot for the game!
hahahahaha

Thank you!

I was hoping someone else would set it on these dudes.
I was getting seriouly tired. Felt like I was explaining fire to cavemen.
How can they think that guy is raw?
Being 16 or 17 or whatever age you are does not exclude you from knowing what hiphop is.

Once you open your mouth, you get the same treatment as everyone else.

Soooo, let's just cut to the chase:
Post a verse from Rick Ross and explain why or how it is lyrical.

Here's a verse that defines lyrical:
The rhymer? MF Doom --

==
Villain get the money like curls
They just trying to get a nut like squirrels in his mad world
Land of milk and honey with the swirls
Where reckless naked girls get necklaces and pearls
Compliments of the town jeweler
Left back now-schooler trying to sound cooler
On the microphone known as the crown ruler
Never lied to ma when we said we found the moolah
Five-hundred something dollars laying right there in the street
Huh, now let's try and get something to eat
Then he turned four and started flowing to the poor
That's about when he first started going raw
Kept the 'dro in the drawer
A rhyming klepto who couldn't go up in the store no more
His life is like a folklore legend
Why you so stiff? you need to smoke more brethren
Insted of trying to riff with the broke war veteran
Spliff made him swore he saw heaven he was seven
Yup, you know it, growing up too fast
Showing up to class with Mo�t in a flask
He ask the teacher if he leave will he pass
His girl is home alone he trying to get the _____

If you want to sip get a paper water fountain glass
How I'm 'posed to know where your mouth been last
Hands so fast he can out-spin the Flash
Known to smoke a whole mountain of hash to the ash
Boom-bash leave the room with the stash
Assume it's in a smash, Doom get the cash

----------------

The rhymes are dope because he's rhyming more than twice before moving on to a new word.

Please wisen up.

-Black People

yea ethug? shut up yall will never get a chance in the real world to do anything, but talk about who done this and whos hot on the internet, yall need to get lives and get laid my nigs.

That's not necessarily true, "makk". I'm a business school grad and writer for TV and features in L.A. (the entertaiment capital of the world).

I also am an avid collector of hiphop vinyl.

My collection is young. I only have about 3,500 records.
I use a workstation called the EPS 16 plus. It's the predecessor to the ASR-10. Do you know what that is? I produce hip-hop beats.

I'm sure there are other adult professionals here as well.

We just don't like simplistic bad music and the garbage that's coming from down south.

If you lose a debate you don't have to try to resort to insulting the other dudes who come on this site.

That's not what being Black or urban or whatever you wanna call it is all about.

Times are changing...

By the time you try to copy what you see on TV or on Jay-Z's album, it's old.

-Black People

Furthermore, "makk" when the readers of these sites are not directly involved in entertainment it does not automatically invalidate their opinions.

They are the fans. All of this is done for them.

Don't try to make those outside of the entertaiment circle feel bad because they may not be involved in the production.

They ARE involved and they are the catalyst for which we get paid (assuming you are paid for the beats on your page).

Take a step back and check yourself.

A fan is the reason you create.

Their opinions and passions are vital. Don't insult them because they are not on the other side. In fact, their vision is probably clearer and more pure because they don't stand to gain or lose when a particular product is released.

Don't insult, try to invalidate or intimidate fans.

There is nothing wrong with being one.

What do you think stirred your own creative muse?

Out.

-Black People

i love how they talk shit but avoid the argument..
where's that ill verse from rick?

i aint saying rick ross da best rapper he far from it im jus sayin 4 him 2 sign with def jam put out an album and get paid for rapping if he does suck hes hustkling the rap industry hardcore cuz i gurantee alot of niggaz boutgh his cd so itz w/e and plus nyc king u dont get it bra to get known in the south is harder then to get know in nyc u cant just hand some company ur demo cuz we dont really got them donw here

lmao makk u funny bra if im an ethug you must be an ebitch cuz what you said is just sad bra you aint no none of these niggaz lifes to tell anyone to get a life to start with and who the fuck starts shit on the internet?? just shut your mouth bra plus im only talking aboout rick ross cuz this is supposed to be about his album but he really aint no lyricist immortal technique a lyricist eminem a lyricist ross just playin the hardcore gangster rapper role which will last bout a month more then ppl will be like rick who??

plus man the game is whos gona runs shyt in 07

Well said "smokindabest".

I guess we all kinda get it about the Rick dude.

But it's fucked up cuz Smooth won't post any new hiphopmusic news.

So this is the only place where can come to kick it about music on this site and we end up beating the Rick Ross issue to death.

Fuck it, anybody heard Mef's new 421 album?

I haven't heard anything about it.

This might be a silly question in this drought but has anyone heard ANY dope new hiphop recently?

I stumbled upon a newly released album from this dude from the bronx named Percee P. But the album is actually old but never came out.

Anybody heard any new dope shit?

Lookout for the cookout and let's us know.

-Black People

Oh wait.

I just saw your thing about the game.

I beg to differ with you on that.

I haven't heard the game rock yet.
I mean something quotable, that is.

By the way, I 'ont know if these dudes really gon' get any shine since Jay-Z's officially back.

And again, I don't know how I feel about that. But I wish him the best.

Black People

true he hasnt really made a banger but come on when you got doctor dre making your beats and plenty of niggaz to collab with he will make a fresh as trak about new albums ive been hearin that lil wayne and juelz making an album togheta in virginia shoud be a raw ass mixtape dont know when it will be out though

what do yall think of lil wyte when he came out he was playin alot down here in florida especially that song oxycontin

the juelz and lil wayne album is called "I cant feel my face"

well i aint really feelin juelz or wayne at all,
but i am waitin 4 Big L's album 2 drop in '07,
n im still waitin 4 Papoose's Nacrima dream.. hope they drop
N as for Jay z, he just dont got it ne more im tierd of this micheal jordan stunt
n lil wyte? dunno 2 much bout him

o n i 4got,
not 2 b on ur case or nething smokin,
but i aint say it was easier 4 yall 2 get some light
Ur statement was that rick was "raw"
but other then that i feel u son

Ay, who is lil wyt?

Yo Smokin, you've heard about the lil wayne ghostwritin saga right?

NYC, what up? Yo, that's a fly title for Papoose album.

What does it mean? It's called Nacrima dream? That's over my head.

Smokin, you gotta link for the lil wyt stuff? or is he like another wannabe crime rapping/club type of rapper?

If it's any beatheads in the house, I just got the Large Pro intrumental album.

It's alright.

-Black People

Oh NYC, you think Jay don't have his skills as a crime rapper or do you think all the "I'm retired I'm back" shit is just played?

Oh, and anyone heard mef's joint?

Or any wu related news aside from Cuban linx 2?

Lupe Fiasco's "Food and Liquor" is pretty decent. Haven't listened to it more than a few times, but it is quickly growing on me.

And it ain't exactly new, in fact it was released about a year-point-five ago, but I've been enjoying "Black Dialogue" by The Perceptionists regularly since it came out.

wats good black,
Nacrima dream is American dream backwards, Papoose says he reflects on it so he cleverly put it so. dude is intellegent like a motha fucka, i admire that.

neway back to the jay thing. I cant say jay cant do that whole crime rap or ne good songs for that matter, im sure he can stil pull a few but not nearly as much as he used to, u kno they get a lil washed up. but its the jordan shit that bothers me. its corny..2 me it dont even seem like he ever left in the 1st place.

whoops,
i kept speillin it wrong: **Nacirema

The Papoose jawn sounds fly. I look forward to it. I hope he gets some name brand beats and makes this a classic album.

Like production from the greats: pete rock, Large pro, Primo, beatnuts, diamond d. easy mo bee, rza, maybe even a marley jawn.

no keyboard club shit.
like just blaze (just blaze i know you lurk around on these boards so no offense)

an album like that would be truly exciting.

none of these new dudes know the formula. They only dickride and try to make money while compromising the art. Them jokers don't know what balance is.

Thanks for the news.

-Black People

Ok, you got a point there, maybe yall arent as ignorant as i interpreted.I honestly at first thought yall were racist, and i do not like that at all.I respect you produce music because that is close to which i am learning myself.I am studying right now to be a musical/vocal engineer, and yes i know what the "ASR-10" is. I am not electronic illiterate, i have a studio in my house, and work with lots of artist right now as we speak locally. I see that yall frequently comment on this article also, and maybe we could talk about producing music a little more.Dont take this as a weak response, i hope you comment nothing but professional to this.

makk

Nice response though,black

I understand with out fans there would be no need

for us to carry on our jobs and such on.But its

hard for me to keep my motive strong because

atleast half of the people in my town are either

ignorant, or half no idea what hip/hop is quite

about.I love everything about music, and this is

why i chose what i want to become in life at 17,

but you must excuse my comments previously, i

think your the first person i met that wasnt

racist or just straight stupid about rap that ive

met.

makk

It's cool, Makk.

All is forgotten.

On the beat side of things, (oh! wait! did you know that timbaland uses the ASR-10?)
-- where was I?

Oh
on the beat side of things, I will be back shortly to drop a gem on you that will change your beatmaking skills for the rest of your life.

I gotta run right now.

But you ain't weak, you strong.
It takes mental strength to man up.

Producing and beat stuff when I return.

In the meantime please name the top ten beats that you've heard in your life...

Out.

-Black People

1.alchemist and mobb deep-hold me down

2.Who Am I-Heatmakerz

3.One day I smile-Heatmakerz

4.Hard knock life- Jay-z

5.JR WRITER- i cant member name of track but its on his new cd.

6.Snoop Dogg- Lay low smooth rythm nice flow

7.T.i. "im talking to you" produced i think by just blaze.

8.Lil wayne- "the best rapper alive beat"

9. 3-6 mafias "posted up" very commercial but catchy rythym in my eyes.

10. Lupe Fiasco's i think track number 7, but overall he has some nice trax on that food and liquor.

listen up all u niggas needa stop suckin rick ross's dick. nigga sucks ass. he come up to ny he get herbed up quick. nigga raps about drugs n money...big fuckin surprise. why not try to change the game? how bout jay z? nas? big L? anyone with some real talent. id rather listen to mariah careys music than rick ross, no homo.

i personally think nas's album is going to run shit this year. (its supposed to come out before the end of the year right? )

papoose = future of hip-hop

Aw man, y'all bruvas brighten my day, makin me laugh early in the morning. Your handle is funny: "fuck da south (cept weezy)".

That shit had me rollin.

You know I haven't heard any of papoose shit since the jawn that was on the record with the red label where he went throught the alphabet. And on the other side it had a jawn with him and Kool G. Rap. Which kinda makes a statement right there about lyrics whenever you make a jam with Kool G. But the record stores are shit out here so I can't just pick up a record and take it to a listening station like anywhere else. That's assuming that they even got some papoose shit. And the ABC jawn is like, what, from 98 or 99? I really need to hear some of his new shit. Any suggestions?

Hey if y'all go on youtube and type in Saigon and Kool G. Rap you should get back a little video of them dudes rippin it. It is on the crime rap tip but the style that they are using is very notable. I won't spoil it. And Kool G. Rap's message at the end is extremely relevant.

Yo, Makk, I just checked out your list.

Hmmmmm.

I gotta say it's very fascinating. It explains so much.

My initial reaction was to say "Damn you Puff Daddy."

You know how they say history is written by the winners? The winners of wars that is.

So if Europeans win the wars then the history of the conquered must be wiped out.

In hiphop there was a war: The Versace Wars circa 94-98. It was initiated by Puff and the release of the Biggie's first album.

After the wars, the format of hiphop songs changed. The beats became simplistic and your lyrical skills were based upon whether you mentioned ice in your rhymes.

Now the hiphop rebels try to rebel and they called this new sucka shit, the wack shit, fake hiphop. As in not real.

So then then the suckas stop rapping over hits from the 80s and started rhyming over wack keyboard beats (see swizz beats using the casio sound module) and talking about crime in the hood and retorted with "Now how can you say this ain't real."

It was a low blow and a light stalemate cuz hiphoppers never thought they would have to fight over their music.

So the "real" crime hiphop ran rampant over wack beats.

I've skipped over a lot of the story. Perhaps others can fill in the blanks or maybe you can go back research it yourself.

But they say that for a lotta of new dudes, the first rapper that they ever heard was Jay-Z.

They say that the hip-hop that the new dudes listen to is only after 1997 (near the end of The Versace Wars).

So I'm peeping your list and the beats not only come from this era but it doesn't show any of the universally respected greats.

And this may or may not be your fault.

See they market one thing to you and they tell you that you must listen to it to be cool. And if you listen to anything other that what's playing now then you're not cool.

So to be cool you have to listen to not only what's popular but also what's current.

It's like Rakim said in August of this year, if he wants to hear Jesus Walks (not one of my faves) on the radio now, why can't he?

My point is the world is yours, don't let someone feed you your opinion and tell you what's raw. You CAN go back into any time period and seek out different (original) styles of hiphop and bang that shit.

then you will see why people are groaning all over the world at the new shit that's coming out.

You'll understand why Nas feels the need to title an album :Hip Hop is Dead.

Have you noticed people complaining everywhere about the new shit that's coming out?

Why do you think that is?

There is a HUGE difference in the beats and tracks that are on your list vs. those that were released prior to '97.

Taking a look at your list helps me to understand where a lot of you dudes are coming from.

No offense, none of those beats are on any of the top ten list of beats that I have ever heard from a hiphop head.

Urban pop is something totally different. Is that what you were aiming for?

this is funny but I don't wanna be poppin' all this shit without bearing my soul so here are six major beats for you.

Please google on them or something.

I would love for you to have this exposure.

1. Ain't No Halfsteppin - Produced by Marley Marl
2. For Pete's Sake - Produced by Pete Rock
3. World Famous - Produced by the Beatnuts
4. Sally Gotta One Track Mind - Diamond D.
5. It's A Boy Remix - Produced by The Large Professor.
6. Alwayz Into Something - Produced by Dr. Dre

Enjoy.

I'll be back later with more beatspeak.

Out.

-Black People

I ain't drop the gem that I had for you yet.

Yea that Kool G rap with saigon ,"the letter P" is remarkable. as 4 papoose its hard 2 hear his new shit unless u get mixtapes becuz hes still not well exposed, especialy in the west coast im sure. but if u hit up his shit on youtube u can still peep some of his ill freesyles(not his best by far) but still repeatables, they got a few tracks from him like "sharades"-i like the concept 2 that song maybe u should check it out.
the only hit he's in is that track wit bun b n shaq, he's pretty diverese its a sick beat," u can't stop the reign" i think kay slay produced this one. his verse is just sick. he makes the song. shaq just fucks it up it pisses me off n im not a bun fan but hes alright.
" my brain needs a passport,my mind travels"
-Papoose

o, n another thing i kno i said this a million times but if ne body has feed back on this plz drop some info. Big L's new album: "True Legends Never Die" commin out 2007, produced by Lord Finesse and Primo. wat yall L fans think bout that?

@ blackpeople
i get what your saying
you carry on the legecy of the era you were brought up in
so in 7 years the new dudes will be useing young jocs or young dros style right?
be ready people we have not seen the end of snap music. ( god help us all)

hey i've got a question for you guys ...
who do you guys think is gonna be the better mc in the future of hip hop , papoose or lupe fiasco?

Damn I gotta jet out real quick. But the Big L album sounds to good to be true. I would be hype as shit if I saw that in the record store.

Turned it on the back and it said produced by Primo and Lord Finesse.

TruSouth, what you said is not 100% accuarate.

It's not the era that I rep, it's the quality.

Damn, I got more to say on that but I gotta be out.

I'll get back.

( I have zero exposure to Lupe Fiasco)

Hip hop is only dead to those that choose to quite looking for it.

Beats that make my brain waves freak:
.Afu-Ra, *State of the Arts*
.Blacalicious-Lotus Flower, The Craft
.Qwell-Ugly Hungry Puppy, The harvest
.Soul Position- Keys, things go better with RJ and AL

Some of the Producers that influence me through their art are: El-P, blockhead, Camu-Tao, Insight, Ant, Mr. Dibbs, RJD2, Pete Rock, Joey Beats, The Grouch, Dr. Dre, Danger Mouse, MadLib, MF DOOM, Edan, J-Dilla, Jimi Hendrix, Fela Kuti, JUMBO the garbage man, Lyrics Born, Dj Shadow, and the Chief Xcel.

The best part about music as an art form is it's infinite potential for self-expression. There are still many quality tracks I have yet to hear, and many more that I have yet to gain an influence from.

ok I'm back.

i remember getting the dude lupe fiasco confused with ludacris and thinking they were the same or related cuz i remember ludacris had some shit in the record store called chicken and beer, right?

so when I heard some dude whose name began with L-U I was thinking it was somehow releated to ludacris or some wack shit.

seeing as how these little dudes bite each others names.

everyone is named lil something or young something

fuckers are corny.

so at y'all bruvas' insistence I went to his page and found out he's actually from chicago.

he seems to have a major release
so i can probably go to tower and

OH!! wait, yo, NYC you see that Kool G rap shit?!!

Did you peep his message at the end?? Goddam!!
He represented and they really ripped that letter.
--
Ok um oh yeah, I can probably go to tower records and preview Lupe's album.

If it's dope, I'm a head over to another record store and cop the wax.

unless somebody gotta link where I can here it now.

But that would be fly.

that's how this modern communication shit is supposed to work.

a muvafucka you don't know put you on some shit that's dope that you wouldnta heard otherwise.

I hope it's a dope album or at least a step.

Ok, back to the homie Trusouth.

See, it's not about repping an era. And that is an argument that I hear the new dudes using in defense of their ignorance.
"Ah, you stuck in the past."
"But people don't make Hiphop like that no more."

etc, etc, etc,

These are copouts.

And what people are complaining about is not their era. This isn't a "see, when I was coming up" type of deal.

Number one: Up until Puff Daddy, black music was always creative and always contained a positive conscious element.
Even NWA.

Nobody said you gotta be a saint. Go 'head. Call a chick a bitch. But let us know about them punk type police too.

And that's the extreme case.

Number two: Prior to Puff Daddy, Black music (actually all Black entertainment) always showed respect for those that came before.

Just Ice - Going Way Back
Brand Nubian - Dedication
Tupac - Nuntin like the Old School (which I like to retitle "New York Love")

Even in 2003 when Nas made Star Wars, he mentioned that he was "brought up off that Planet Rock, James Todd Smith, Kurtis Blow, Shannon Scott..." , this shows that the better artist has an awareness and creative respect for the musicians that came before them.

This way they can carry the torch and get the blessing from greats that preceeded them.

Imagine Lil Jon or Nelly taking a photo with Rakim and Big Daddy Kane.

Unlikely.

Try to picture Scott Storch or the Neptunes posing with Marley Marl.

Forget it.

Even in the records that I mentioned in an earlier post, I've drawn from the early eighties to the nineties. That's beyond my era. But the dopeness is still there.

The low tolerance for wack beats and sucka emcees is still there from RUN to MF Doom.

All of the great have respect for the shit that comes before them.

But not these new dudes.

In order for the wack shit that they create to be justified, they have to pretend that the time that they are living in now is the way that is always was.

They must pretend to know only about the shit that's convenient. The garbage that supports their wack shit.

You cannnot directly link any sucka emcee out now with Young or Lil in front of his name to Kool G. Rap or any master lyricist.

Let me break down for you what Puff did and how he did it and what effect it had and has on the new dudes...

Boom it was '94, right? April. Illmatic had just dropped. No need for me to jock that album. We know it's status. Baby Nas on the cover. Whatever, whatever.

So boom in the fall Biggie's album came out and you know the first single was over the hit record Juicy. Which was already a hit.
But hey it was Biggie we ain't care.

Then Biggie's album cover had a picture of a baby biggie. they had bit of nas. bite means to copy someone else's shit, by the way.

Like if we breakin or poppin' and hit you wit some ill footwork then you take my shit across town and try to rep with that shit but ain't know my man julio was in the crowd watching, he gon scream out "you bitin'! You bit that off Black People!" then everyone gon start laughin at you cuz guess what?

all together now, BITING IS CORNY.
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My fault, now when they had bit Nas baby cover concept heads was like oh shit, what the deal with that?

So then we all rockin our tapes and he got the jawn big poppa on there where they bit the Isley Brothers between the sheets song.

We wanted more original bangers like Unbelievable but again, fuck it cuz it was biggie.

but another sinister force was at work here. He goes by the name of sean combs.

So then Boom they remixed the Big Poppa jawn and threw in some Versace for good measure. Now heads is really gettin sick cuz they like what's with the wack Jermain Dupri beat? Why is he rhymin about clothes and girls?

(side note: radio's primary fanbase is females 18-34. that's why all the wack shit shares chick friendly subject matter to gain radio play)

So boom it don't stop ("cuz we won't stop" - Puff Daddy), in 95 with Biggie in the forefront, Puff hit us with the Atom Bomb: One More Chance remix. New beat: El Debarge jawn that some would say Rashad Smith bit from Lord Finesse. Cuz Lord Finesse freaked it first.

But he wasn't talking about Versace, Cartier and gators.

Under Puff, Biggie was.

Although Biggie's rhymes was ill - now doubt he could rip no matter the subject - the content of rhyming had changed.

Cuz face it, who don't like pussy, cars and money?
I know I do.

But not in my music. Especially when it's forced.

And the subsequent rappers felt like to get pussy they had to rap about cars, jewelry and such.

So more songs were released in late 95 to early 96 with materialism as the subject matter. While your beat had to have already have been a hit or something that someone else had rocked on and was a hit.

Acceptance of this for beats, broke down the tolerance for dope shit on the beat side.

But wait.

So here we are in the summer of '96 and the door is open for anybody to come through who talking about being a player, having versace, cristal, or diamonds.

and guess who steps through the door?

You got it.

Sean number two.

Jay-Z (or Shawn to be accurate)

He had versace.
A beeper. Cell phones. Drug rhymes and a beat that somebody had already rocked over: Ain't no Nigga is an EPMD hit.

Now it's late 96 and shit really is on fire.

So in 97 every month puff daddy had a "remix" featuring himself on the radio.

And mase came out. Oh wait I fucked that up. ma$e came out.

shit is mad fucked up by now and the RZA tried to fight back but the wheels were set in motion.

dudes where rhyming over songs that were already hits. talking nonsense about high fashion and cristal.

so now the tolerance was lowered.

DMX came out with "Where my dogs at?" Rhyming directly over Epmd's "Get the Bozack".

Puff Daddy and Ma$e rhymed over The message by Grandmaster Flash and Melle Mel

- I'd like to take this time to point out that The Message like all Black Music prior to Puff was about hope and awareness in the 'hood.

you think that's what Puff and the new dudes talked about?

Un-unh.

Get money. Playa hatin'.

Now dudes and seeing this deterioration of hiphop standards so they are like boom we can jump in right now and just keep the subject about ice and shit and won't nobody notice we ain't got no skills.

also another thing happened: You know how if you buy a toy keyboard or something and it has music built into it when you open it out of the box? this dude swizz beats "produced" a song outta of one of those.

Everybody saw it and beatmakers was like we can get away with that?

so up springs a very talented POP (keyword: POP) producer named timbaland with a song for the late Alliyah (damn I forgot her first single)

The sound was unique
it was on the radio
he was young.

so it's hiphop right?

fuck no.

but dudes saw that and started to make their beats like him.

Jay-z connected with him.

Player-type crime rap connected with bubblegum beats equal a million records sold.

shit is ALL fucked up by now.

but wait, master p. comes out with silk the shocker.
master P. drops Ghetto D. (make crack like this)
biting (and disrespecting) eric b. and rakim's classic while rapping as simplistic as possible.

Capitalizing off the ignorance of their people, the "no limit" squad did that record, "UNNNHH" some other bullshit, dropped an album by a gimmicky bi-polar no rhyme skills cat named "mystikal" and cleaned up.
Cashing in on half a billion.

Now Juvenile saw it was easy so he makes one of the most embarassing songs I've ever heard from my people called "Ha"

Straight dumb shit.

Silly ass beat.

Horrendous "rhymes" if you even wanna call it that.

So boom now here come the neptunes.
Cuz the game is wide open and any wack shit will fly.

they make a few songs using the exact same drum pattern and clean up.

the rest is probably current enough for when you started to listen to hiphop.

This is "standards reversal". Sorta like in the Willie Lynch story how they say they reversed the roles of the sexes and made black men lazy -- living with moms, or girlfriends, or girlfriend's moms, no career havin' or wantin' --and made the women the breadwinners.

This is the concept behind the reversing the standards for Black music

it's systematic.

See manufactures need empty-headed, easily programmable consumers.
So that when they say buy or "Press Play" you do.

Therefore they have to constantly dumb you down and feed you your opinions so that when they tell you something is "hot" you jump and fork over your dough.

But you needn't be that easy. We're men not sheep.

all of our people prior to the two seans would make music that was creative and provide some sort of social commentary while having a thorough knowledge and influence of those that came before.

but not these new dudes.

So TruSouth what I rep is product.

Not an era.

-Black People

wow ... yeah i agree on most of the stuff your saying ( using the samples on garage band to make an album doesnt really mean you done shit pharrel) but even if jay-z rapped about cars, bitches, etc he still had the lyrical skill to back it up. dudes nowadays cant rap for shit and the claim they have lyrical skill ( im lookin at you camron )

*they

lil wyte this white boy from memphis tennesee he signed with hypnotized minds wiht frazier boy i think yall memba frazier boys song i got tat drank wit paul wall and mike jones robot soundin ass but newayz lil wyte aint no fresh ass rapper but his songs are str8 tey pretty much all bout gettin high and what 2 get high off of nope neva herad bout that lil wayne gost writin shyt but i dont doubt it 4 some1 who claims he rocks a red flag out his right side and then in a video 2 rock a blue bandana round his neck is jus sad but papoose is fresh as hell nas 2 me is the best rapper rit know and i neva reall ylike d jay z hes a swgga jakcer like camron sorry ass said but i do think juezl has some freh lines

lil wyte this white boy from memphis tennesee he signed with hypnotized minds wiht frazier boy i think yall memba frazier boys song i got tat drank wit paul wall and mike jones robot soundin ass but newayz lil wyte aint no fresh ass rapper but his songs are str8 tey pretty much all bout gettin high and what 2 get high off of nope neva herad bout that lil wayne gost writin shyt but i dont doubt it 4 some1 who claims he rocks a red flag out his right side and then in a video 2 rock a blue bandana round his neck is jus sad but papoose is fresh as hell nas 2 me is the best rapper rit know and i neva reall ylike d jay z hes a swgga jakcer like camron sorry ass said but i do think juezl has some freh lines

lil wyte this white boy from memphis tennesee he signed with hypnotized minds wiht frazier boy i think yall memba frazier boys song i got tat drank wit paul wall and mike jones robot soundin ass but newayz lil wyte aint no fresh ass rapper but his songs are str8 tey pretty much all bout gettin high and what 2 get high off of nope neva herad bout that lil wayne gost writin shyt but i dont doubt it 4 some1 who claims he rocks a red flag out his right side and then in a video 2 rock a blue bandana round his neck is jus sad but papoose is fresh as hell nas 2 me is the best rapper rit know and i neva reall ylike d jay z hes a swgga jakcer like camron sorry ass said but i do think juezl has some freh lines

if yall wana hear lil wytes song jus go to goole and type his name in our lime wire 2 download his sonhs 2 me acid chooped and screwed and oxycooton r his best songs but he has my smoking song my drinkng song crash da club and car full of white boys which are pretty str8

but the sickest rappa is yukmouth man tat man has some insane lyrics

YukMouth? he fuckin sucks huge balls

chopped n screwed is retarded

u have awful taste in rap

-White People

Cats is funny now a days. Do yall know how wack a lot of yall sound up in here. Now personally I can't comment on Rick Ross� music �cause I haven't heard it. I don't really listen to a lot of new cats, too much wackness to swim through to get to good stuff. And the way radio & video is set up now, the cream doesn't have an opportunity to rise to the top.

Anyway, one of the problems I have with music today, hip hop in particular, is the fact that much of it is mindless that crates mindless people. Now regardless if Rick Ross is wack or not, why in the hell would anyone be proud of celebrating murder, death, and the degradation of one's own community? Let's say, for argument sake, that this cat isn't as hardcore, or thugged out as he says. Now he�s out here as some drug dealer rapping about drug dealing. He got cats believing he's that dude, now they (the listeners) start to believe the hype and thing that they�re hardcore as well, maybe they feel this way �cause they come from the same part of town he's from, or they from the south, or the 'hood or whatever. From that you got cats, in a chatroom mind you, talking mad shit, and talking about getting at someone�s physical all because of someone's opinion. All this Internet tough-talk about this person should be put in someone's trunk , or that person needs to be chopped up, come on man, grow the fuck up. But this is the cycle, the dangerous cycle that the music is producing.

Yes, hip hop is a window to the 'hood, it is our CNN, but at what point do we look through that window and say enough? At what point do we say the celebration of spending ends we don't really have on rims, grills, etc. is ridiculous? At what point do we say let�s plan and try to redirect those funds to make the 'hood shine instead of our teeth. At what point do we stop talkin' tough on the Internet about reppin' our 'hood in areas where we own no land? The south, the north, the west, the east, love or hate it, rep it or not, the question is can you really rep it or really hold it down when you own no land in any of those areas???

Wakethefuckup! "Black people unite and let's all get down, I gots to have it!"

Jesus Christ. Shut the fuck up

-White People

whats up yall i havent been on here in a while. what up black people! i havent heard one of your amazing speeches in a while, write back yo.
makk

What up Makk?

I think I wrote something on the main page under the Freddy Foxx header.

But Smooth hasn't really posted any new hiphop info in a minute.

I think if you check some of the old threads I'm all over the place.

One that may be of particular interest to you is the down south vs. up north post that smooth had up.

This is if you haven't checked it already.

I think I got the precise directions a few posts above on this page.

I never dropped the jewel for you on the beat side of things like i said i would.

And I gotta keep my word.

So yo, do you get the opportunity to sample when you make music? Or is it all original material?

Out.

-Black People

my favorite beat of all time was deadpresidents /jay-z

Mine is Jussumen (Pete Rock remix).

Lists are different becase you got your favourites and then you got the best.

Sometimes you gotta bow down to the best even tho you 'ont like 'em.

Like I ain't a fan of Jay-z but he definitely one of the greatest emcees ever.

On the beat side tho, Ain't No Halfsteppin might be the greatest hiphop beat of all time.

Then it's a three way tie between For Pete's Sake, Next on the Menu, Jump Around (pete rock remix), and Gin and Juice.

But my favourite is Jussumen remix.
I think I might have to rock that shit now.

-Black People

Yeah actually i sample strictly through my computer. You see i just got done building a studio setup in my room, (which amazes me it fits)
but now its time to work to pay off to get the equipement i need. Not to mention the hours put into work,school,etc. But Black, i was wondering cause you said you have an ensoniq asr 10? right? i am looking for a sampling keyboard that can help me make those beats ive been waiting for.

holla back
makk

Mitnakk, Ok boom, check it out. I have the ensoniq eps 16 plus. it has 11 seconds of sample time in stereo and 22 seconds of sample time at 44 mghz. Or wait 44 is stereo right? I dunno. I know when i turn the sample rate down I get more sample time.

But yo if you go to ebay you might be able to pull one for like $250.

Unbelievable. But it's definitely worth it.

They have the rack version and the keyboard one. I have the keyboard one.

I tap out my drums on the keys. You know like put a kick in the middle, a high hat at the top and the snare at the end.

I can't imagine how that can be done on the rack system.

But it's a steal nonetheless. And it's a workstation too so it filters and sequences and does a whole ton of other shit that I 'ont know nuthin about.

I strongly recommend it. The seqencing is a little ruff. But I'm sure you could hook it up to other stuff that you use.

All the beats I make I sample off of old records and put em through my eps 16 plus.

I wish I could post beats here so I could put my money where my mouth is.

But yo, when you sample, are you capable of sampling off of records? Do you have a turntable?

-Black People

Ahh i see, yeah i was looking for a digital audio workstation and just ensoniq hit me, but i have done my homework,and seen the new Roland Fantom X6 with awesome reviews and stuff. The sample time is like 2 minutes and can hold up to 2 gb of waves, (just what i need) but its not affordable at all. Speaking out on the turntable, i have a technics 1210 and i cant sample yet thought. I need to get a midi interface to my computer, or a firewire connection piece. Vinyl ehh? what style of records?
makk

The only fact to take anything away from Rick Ross is if he aint spitting what he done lived. This nigga never claimed to be the best lyricist ever,the boy got charisma, and none of y'all can deny that...Ross spitting what he know, what he seen and lived. Bottom line with the stories dude telling and who this nigga trying to reach ( hustlers, people in the streets, in da hood, on the block) he telling his stories how they suppose to be told...So fuck all yall hating on this nigga!!! when u need some encouragement just "PUSH IT" Hustling niggaz in MIA, NY, Cali, Philly even in the West Indies feeling ROSS, he international!!! hating is nessesary in this industry so go head.

Makk,
You still in here?

-Blitnack Pitneople

RICK ROSS GOT "HOT" FROM HEAVY RADIO ROTATION!!! IN ALL HONESTY HIS LYRICS AIN'T ALL THAT BUT HIS TRACKS KINDA SLICK!!!

What up Black, shit yeah i check in this forum at least once a day my man, whats going on my dude?

Alright Makk,
For records you might wanna -- well wait let me go back a little.

First you might wanna grab some classic HipHop albums. and give 'em a listen. I posted them in another forum on this site.

here they are again:
(Arranged by order of importance)

1. By Any Means Necessary - BDP
2. Long Live The Kane - Big Daddy Kane
3. Paid in Full - Eric B. & Rakim
4. Follow the Leader - Eric B. & Rakim
5. It Takes A Nation Of Millions to Hold Us Back - Public Enemy
6. Goin Off - Bizmarkie
7. People's Instinctive Travel's - A Tribe Called Quest
8. Enter the 36th Chambers - Wu-Tang Clan
9. Illmatic - NAS
10.Mecca And The Soul Brother - Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth
11. One for All - Brand Nubian
12. Strictly Business - EPMD
13. Beyond The Forces of Nature - Jungle Brothers
14. Run DMC (S.T. '84 release) - Run DMC
15. Critical Beatdown - Ultramagnetic MCs
16. Stunts, Blunts & HipHop - Diamond D
17. Great Adventures of Slick Rick - Slick Rick
18. Efil4zaggin - N.W.A
19. Breakin Atoms - Main Source
20. Road to the Riches - Kool G. Rap and DJ Polo

Can't forget Nice & Smooth's first album.
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Anyway, to truly represent HipHop and not urban pop you might wanna get these albums and memorize.
Digest the lyrics.
Absorb the beats and production styles.

When you hear everyone complaining these days about hiphop being dead. They are not just saying that to be "playa-hatin'" or anything.

They are comparing the songs that are being rotated on the radio to the songs that I've listed above.

After you hear those album's you'll see why all of the new shit is wack.

Or just not worthy to be called hip hop.

Boom, so check it out: now after you listen to those albums, you'll have a solid foundation, right?

Your ear for hiphop and the proper type of samples will be tuned.

Which leads me to my answer to your question and to the gem I had to drop for you.

The records with the dopest samples are primarily anything that was released from '66-'74. they have the dopest drums. the illest samples.

and for the gem: this is some shit I would never really tell you in public. I apologize to all of the beatheads for letting this outta of the bag like so.

But Makk, for your hiphop production you need to season your beats. Your beats need flava. Otherwise they'll be bland like store-bought potato salad.
to season your beats, you are gonna need a 26 record set.

this set is called the ULTIMATE BREAKS AND BEATS.
Buy this.

They're sold individually at about 8 dollars a pop. or you can get a special dj pack which has two copies in it for about 12 bucks a pop.

you need these.

listen to each cut off of these records.
and you will see how the greats used this legendary series on the albums I listed above.

sprinkle little pieces of flavor from those records on your beats, some drums here, a guitar riff here, an "OW!" or something and your beats will become doper and people will respect you more because they'll realize that you know your shit.

you can probably get the series at sandboxautomatic(.)com or maybe just mess around on ebay.

I just gave you some mega game.

I'm sorry to any producers out there who might be offended that I spilled like this.

-Black People

MIAMI IS THE BOTTOM OF THE MOTHER F*&KING MAP! THE MOST SOUTHERN POINT OF THE GODAMN UNITED STATES AND WERE RUNNIN THE WHOLE COUNTRY. WATCHU KNOW BOUT 30'' RIMS ON A BOX CHEVY?? WATCHU KNOW BOUT SHOWEN GOLDS SINCE WAYY BEFORE PAUL WALL MADE EM A TREND. SOUTHERN LIVIN. REAL HOOD. A CITY BUILT ON COCAINE. U DONT BELIEVE ME? COCAINE COWBOYS THE MOVIE IS IN THEATRES TODAY. GO WATCH IT. ITS A DOCUMENTARY. BITCHES

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