why won't the president get all this ridiculous accusations the slap in the face they deserve by showing a real birth certificate or an equivlant? seems like the easy way out instead of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars stopping the suits

Why do we keep letting Stupid Officers into our Ranks. Can't man up to deploy, then turn in your CaC card. Someone with balls will take your place there Major.

SSG Rivera
U.S. ARMY Infantry
ACTIVE DUTY

boy oh boy white ppl still cant stand that a black man is in charge or is it he just dont want to go he may just piss his pants if he do he have no heart once a marine always a marine

Enough of the racist assumptions. This major didn't say he wouldn't serve under a black (supossedly) man. He won't serve under someone who doesn't release his birth certificate as HE and you, etc. have had to do to be in the military. So, where do you get off judging this guy's motives. It appears you may be the racist. Besides, how is Obama a black man? OK, his skin is dark. But he is half white and half Kenyan (not exactly African American like most African Americans, becasue he has no black American history, just the complexion). Real black Americans should be disgusted that a guy has assumed blackness, just because his skin is dark. Who in his ancestry were slaves? Who went to the back of the bus? This guy is posing as a black man just like Michael Jackson posed as white man!So, enough of your racist assumptions SSG Rivera.

dclark1 you are an idiot and should not be allowed to think!!!! What the hell does that have to do with anything? It has to be proven that he was born here in the US to even run for president. He was born in HAWAII!!!!!! His dad was Black and his mom was White!!!! When you mix the two, that is the complexion you get!!!!! His ancestor could have been Benjamin Banneker who was a free black man during the 1700's. You need to do your history research and quit embarrassing yourself and your family.

This man has real character. It's got nothing to do with race. Why don't people wake up? He doesn't say he does not want to serve our country. He is making a point that that is what our CONSTITUTION states. Only natural born citizens. I am so tired of hearing "so what" or you are a conspiracy theorist. This person is doing what is RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY REALLY SEE WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND YOU EVERYDAY? Our freedoms are dwindling away to nothing. I am proud to be an American right along side of this man.

I agree with SSG Rivera! That puke posing as an officer needs to crawl back in the slug hole that he climbed out of. Any excuse would have served his purpose. He probably just woke up one morning and President Obama's name was the first thing he saw in the news and THAT was convenient enough for him. I'm just glad his DNA was dumb enough to make him put himself out so everyone would know. That's one of the problems with today's military...pukes like him! No concept of being a man, let alone a leader!!!

sounds like the guy is just making up a ridiculous excuse because he is too much of a coward to deploy. Get some balls and do what you agreed to do when you signed up for the army reserve...

I've Been Serving for 5 yrs and counting, Our president prior to Obama, I didn't agree with alot of things during his presidency but had i been called up for deployment during that time, or at this time now I would gladly serve overseas. If he really feels that strongly about our current president I believe, Its time for him to stop serving and retire.

I've Been Serving for 5 yrs and counting, Our president prior to Obama, I didn't agree with alot of things during his presidency but had i been called up for deployment during that time, or at this time now I would gladly serve overseas. If he really feels that strongly about our current president I believe, Its time for him to stop serving and retire.

dclark1,Funny that you make RACE an issue here especially since you are the ONLY one to do so. To me and to any intelligent American, race is not a deciding factor in a presidential election. If anyone is a racist, it is you and your comment proves that point nicely. Please, never reproduce.

correction to my post above, should be addressed to dthomas, not Dclark1. Apologies to dclark :)

I say produce the cert so we can see where he was born. He is hiding somehing or he would do that. You people who support him are weak, want something for nothing and like him want the laws to apply to everyone but you. It would be hard to fight when the man who is our boss is a lier and cheated to get where he is.

show the birth certificate put up or get out,its that easy . its not race its proving he is a american

the presidents mother was an american so he could have born on mars.john mccain wasn't born in america,he was born in panama.i served and the guy not reporting at a time of war should have ucmj action taken to lock him up.he should have his rank taken from him and a bcd discharge.i didn't vote for him but he is our president.get over it.

Please check out "idiotsforobama.com"you will learn alot.

I think he has every right to challenge it.Mr. Obama isnt a full blooded american,therefore should not be representing are country anyway.Has nothing to do with black or white,just the fact hes not full blooded american.We allow to many people to govern are thoughts the way it is by electing the first thing that sounds good.Maybe we should ask all the fallen men and women what they think about politics and war and the rich ol men that sent them there.

dthomas... you're a true scum bag!!

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103810

Wait a second. I just noticed on obamba's certificate (see the bottom of this link) the RACE is stated as AFRICAN, not NEGRO.

In the 1960's race would have been stated as NEGRO, NOT African. Note mother's race is stated correctly in the scientific terms. They did NOT say - American which would be the NATIONALLY, not the RACE of the individual. American would indicate the Nationally of the person, likewise African would NOT because in Africa the different Countries would be stated as the Nationally, not the race.

In South Africa, if I was born there, then would my Race say African or Caucasian.

NOW notice on the certificate of Live Birth (official) issued by the State of Hawaii concerning the officer's race and his wife, it clearly states on line 9 and 14 the RACE of the individual, which is Caucasian.

We have become so politically brainwashed, we have assumed AFRICAN was a race, whereby it is not.

This one item proves his document is false. Also notice the dates of the two docs. The official one is two years after, and suddenly they (the state of Hawaii) changes race from African (?) to what it is suppose to be?

In reference to serving, I have the JAG Manual on my desk, and it clearly indicates this Office is within his LEGAL rights to question the CIC in regards to Constitutional Law.

Excellent for him. Check out the link I have supplied and scroll to the bottom for the comparison of the two documents. You will notice one is a true official and the other one is not. My Daughter was born while I was Stationed at KMCAS. Her certificate is the same type issued by the one by the military which uses the Hawaiian State form.

This clearly indicates his Oboma's is false.

Semper Fidelis

Snake

You know this Major is stuck on stupid and anyone else that says that the president isn't Black. Sure his mother was white and his father was from Kenya, just as many American blacks are off springs of the White slave owners and imported slaves dah!! What's your point. The Maj. should be charged as per UCMJ and given the max. punishment.

Holy Crap this is the most rediculous argument I ever heard. It's OK to be a little on edge but to play a trump card like this is crazy. Regardless of what we all think, he volunteered for the deployment as a reservist and since he was not ordered it's nothing more than revocation of orders. Yes, he should live up to his Army values. But for the Record John McCain wasn't a natural born citizen either he was born in the ocuntry of Panama.

McCain was born in Panama, the Panama Canal was under U.S. jurisdiction at the time (a military installation much as the bases in Japan, Korea, Germany, U.S. Embassies, etc.) so he is a U.S. citizen as are the children born at these installations as it is considered American soil evev today. Anyway if there is nothing to hide then why is it sealed and why did his grandmother stat that he wasn't born here. She might have known something no-one else is talking about.

Here in Oregon Obama could not even get a drivers license without showing a certified birth certificate. Why should he be president with out showing one. What is he afraid of?

Wow, the lame comments from some of you people are incredible. Saying that John McCain was not a natural born citizen. It amazes me how some people speak without knowing what they are talking about. John McCain was born on a US Military Base! That is considered American soil retard! Frankly, I could careless where Barack was born! All I care is how he is going to bankrupt this nation for our kids and expose us to future threats from terrorists.

If there is nothing for Pres. Obama to hide about his citizenship why doesn't he just provide the correct documents and have it all laid to rest? As for Mccain being born in Panama wasn't he born on Howard AFB which would make him a US citizen, military bases are considered part of the US no matter what country they are in aren't they? As far as the race card always being played, the guy IS half white, take a look at his mother, get over the race game.
I am ret. AF and served under the BIGGEST jackass ever in the White House, Bill Clinton, but when he decided to send my butt to the sandbox he was the guy in charge and I took an oath to defend the country both foriegn and domestic and to follow the orders of my superiors, I did as I was ordered, now Major it's time you do the same or pay back ALL pay and benifits you have received in your career, it's obvious you just are there for the paycheck.

The only answer I can give Rick is duh, just look closely at what has happen since January.

does anyone remember your social studies classes in school?

before any person is allowed to enter into any governmental office, whether that be mayor or president, the birth records must be produced and VERIFIED before being granted memebership into the governmental arena.

so ..... way way way back a long time ago.....
Mr. Barak Obama proved his citizenry to an agency that scrnes anyone wishing to enter the political field.

he would not have been allowed into the race for president in the first place if he had not proven his citizenry.

and for all those who have forgotten the social studies........ a person must have three genterations of PROVEN AMERICAN CITIZENRY..... to be elgible to run for president....... that is one of the few things that is strckly reviewed.

just because the president is not displaying his birth certificate for all and asundry to see does not mean there is something to hide.

This major needs to wake up and the rest of you people . Our president was duly elected by the people of this country, in the democratic process that our US Constitution affords every US citizen.
You Haters need to get over this!

Still no birth certificate.

A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to report for deployment
to Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office.

His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has rescinded his impending deployment orders.

"We won! We won before we even arrived," she said with excitement. "It means that the military has nothing to show for Obama. It means that the military has directly responded by saying Obama is illegitimate – and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking the order!"

She continued, "They just said, 'Order revoked.' No explanation. No reasons – just revoked."

A hearing on the questions raised by Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, an engineer who told WND he wants to serve his country in Afghanistan, was scheduled for July 16 at 9:30 a.m.

I think we should have thought of birth certificates and the like before he was voted president. A little late now don't you think?

President had to have a legit birth certificate in order to run for the presidency.. the house checks,reviews and takes these rules and regulations very seriously. As far as maj cook is concerned, he has his reasons why he doesnt want to deploy,as a civillian, but teh second that he puts on his uniform, he should know that he is no longer a week end warrior.. but a US ARMY SOLDIER.. we have rules and regulations, what example is he setting for the troops under his command? i wouldnt deploy with a suker like that.. he is making officers look relly bad..

This soldier should be congratulated! There are millions of Americans out there that believe Obama is not an American citizen -- Perhaps this brave soldier will be the one to to bring this to the forefront. Obama's supporters need to concede they were wrong in supporting him and let's get on with supporting our constitution -- it has nothing to do with winning an election or losing an election -- If Obama is an American citizen, let him prove it.

This soldier should be congratulated! There are millions of Americans out there that believe Obama is not an American citizen -- Perhaps this brave soldier will be the one to to bring this to the forefront. Obama's supporters need to concede they were wrong in supporting him and let's get on with supporting our constitution -- it has nothing to do with winning an election or losing an election -- If Obama is an American citizen, let him prove it.

The Maj. should be treated as any other service member, if he refuses to obey the orders. Then strip him of his rank, discharge him from service. With a General or less than Honorable Discharge. .. I wouldn't feel secure serving under his command.....

Why should obama be given special consideration about presenting a birth certificate? If he doesn't have anything to hide then he should produce it. Why should he be unwilling to present one, all the other presidents have and it is a requirement. Why should he be excused and not present one. Is he special??????

why is everyone trying to skirt around his birth unless they think he is not legit?????they are scared to death and it will come....all you guys who want the military guy to pack up or crawl into a hole are so sad because you probably realize he is right., and obama is an imposter and surely not qualified under law...this is America,and a good thing to.I am sure the military man would get no hearing if left up to some of the lawless minded (obama suppoters) who were free to spill there angry little minds here:}

This isn't about a black man being in office it's about an inexperienced muslim being in office and affraid of showing his birth certificate he should be proud of it if born in the USA. He has a racist he has replaced almost all of his staff and house members with either black,muslim or hispanic isn't that just a strange coincidence. But I guess as a person of color all you can see is that this man is doing a great job well open your eyes and see that he is bring our country DOWN and fast. Hopefully he will never figure out what comes after a trillion because he has risen our deficit beyond ever getting it down again and don't go blaming Bush or any other President because Obama the minute he took office every promise he made went right out the damned door and started making excuses for why he had to break them. So you see those of you that voted for him you may think that you made history for voting in the first black(muslim) president but i gurantee its not gonna be because he's black(muslim)that he makes history just sit back and watch your country fall apart and remember you voted for him I can say i did not now if you are on welfare yall are loving him get off your asses like the rst of us and get jobs mcd's taco bell there always hiring money is money

This isn't about a black man being in office it's about an inexperienced muslim being in office and affraid of showing his birth certificate he should be proud of it if born in the USA. He has a racist he has replaced almost all of his staff and house members with either black,muslim or hispanic isn't that just a strange coincidence. But I guess as a person of color all you can see is that this man is doing a great job well open your eyes and see that he is bring our country DOWN and fast. Hopefully he will never figure out what comes after a trillion because he has risen our deficit beyond ever getting it down again and don't go blaming Bush or any other President because Obama the minute he took office every promise he made went right out the damned door and started making excuses for why he had to break them. So you see those of you that voted for him you may think that you made history for voting in the first black(muslim) president but i gurantee its not gonna be because he's black(muslim)that he makes history just sit back and watch your country fall apart and remember you voted for him I can say i did not now if you are on welfare yall are loving him get off your asses like the rst of us and get jobs mcd's taco bell there always hiring money is money. By the way if I we're teh Maj I would call Mr Obama's bluff also he is no better then the rest of us show you dam birth cert.

Being a retired Army Chief Warrant Officer I held a Top Secret Clearance and know the investigation for the clearance is very through. It is hard to believe that the background investigation on President Obama could miss verifying his citizenship. The Major is either a coward, or racist and wrapping himself in the flag to cover the truth.

Chains we can believe in. Yes we Con!

Chains we can believe in. Yes we Con!

To the ignorant person that posted the racist comment about freed black slaves and white slave owners, you do realize that the slave owners in Africa and slave traders were also black too, right? You do realize that Savannah, GA was going to impose a tax to replinish the coffers for slave reparations payments and rescended the proposal when it was discovered that the majority of the slave owners were black. Damn it people, stop with the race card. Blacks, whites, orientals, middle-eastern, and all races encompassed have their good and their trash. Learn your history and stop being so louche.

Being a retired Army Chief Warrant Officer I held a Top Secret Clearance and know the background investigation for the clearance is very through. It is hard to believe that the background investigation on President Obama could miss verifying his citizenship. The Major is either a coward, or racist and wrapping himself in the flag to hide the facts. The example he is setting reflects badly on the Officer Corps of the US Army and all the brave solders who have served so proudly.

lol, this is funny dude you joined the Army for a reason go good luck to you in this war and about Obama not an American yave a DoD security clearance before you get into gov. so you people need to just face it he is your boss foe 3 1/2 more years

nigger

I was just reading the comment from vmurray25 at July 15, 2009 8:34 AM that only "Only natural born citizens" could be president. So where is the American Indian President?

Yeah, this president is transparent alright, I see right through him, hence the reason I didn't vote for him. He cannot be trusted, nto because he has brown skin, because he's a liar. He has been the most evasive president in the modern era, and has set the country back 50 years economically. I will not live long enough to see the repair of all the damage he's done.

Moving from active duty to be the NCOIC of a Reserve Medical Company, I have seen first hand the inappropriate officers that sometimes show up in the ranks. I have had at least half a dozen officers attempt to resign their commissions at the least hint of deployment possibility. This one sounds very familiar except zanier than most. Let the UCMJ deal with this one. This excuse isn't even original!

Moving from active duty to be the NCOIC of a Reserve Medical Company, I have seen first hand the inappropriate officers that sometimes show up in the ranks. I have had at least half a dozen officers attempt to resign their commissions at the least hint of deployment possibility. This one sounds very familiar except zanier than most. Let the UCMJ deal with this one. This excuse isn't even original!

Why is it that people bring up the fact of Obama being black when he is a hybrid. That's right; half and half like your mommas coffee cream.

One thing all of you who are calling Major a coward are leaving out, is that he has already served two tours in Iraq...he was given orders to deploy now to Afganistan. He has done his duty before and has the right to question Obama's legitimacy...as we all, as Americans, should do.

ok muslim/white white that he doesn't even attest to he had nothing to do with his gradparents til right near the end then he couldn't even leave his campaign to attend his grandmothers funeral what human being does that? give me i break he doesn't acknowledge he's white one bit who are you tring to full you fool

all of the people who are into the false cert. are idiots and those of you who are responding to them are the same,i'm.

Mr. McCain’s likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a “natural-born citizen” can hold the nation’s highest office.

Almost since those words were written in 1787 with scant explanation, their precise meaning has been the stuff of confusion, law school review articles, whisper campaigns and civics class debates over whether only those delivered on American soil can be truly natural born.

So does Senator McCain qualify to be president, being born outside the US? Why is it the Major serves two tours in Iraq under a white president then suddenly fails to recognize the orders of a black president?

Senator McCain was born on a Military Installation which makes him a natural born citizen wake up people don't you know your history

OK,so Obama isnt American, kick him out. Then get this pussy on his way under president Joe! Would that make all you right wingers happier! President Biden! Really whats the point you really want to make?

i wasn't going to finish my post from earlier but then i realized that it would be the same as the opponents of the cert. are doing,giving insuff.info.so here goes.pres. obamas "enemies" in wash. would be screaming bloody murder if there were no valid birth cert. but even they have moved on and have accepted obama as our pres.i volunteered during the end of the V-Nam war even though i didn't agree with current policies and was made better for doing so.Major.. get to work!!!!!!

All of you people who are saying Obama is ruining this country are complete idiots. Last time i checked the US economy was pretty F*ed prior to January 28, 2009

the major is just using his position to forward
the political agenda of the far right.I have herd
some really stupid things said about Oboma
even from my family (all Russ Limball brain dead followers.I'm white and can't figure out why
rebublicans back a President and Vic president
that lied to start a war. But hate this man due
to his chlour or the fact that they lost .

Ted, it sounds like you havnt been doing your homework. Its common knowledge that Obama has not produced a legitimate birth certificate. This has been a thorn in the side of anyone who really cares. The background clearance for entry into the presidency obviously is either not that thorough or some people were so ready for change that they didnt care. Maybe they knew what they were doing and just wanted to get him in. If that is true, someone has entirely too much power. There is not a racist or politically correct bone in my body as my wife is black and that is what she considers herself. We just both love our country and hate to see it go down the drain. And Major, right or wrong, you signed up now do your duty.

Race will always be a big factor in America. I don't care how much people of color contribute to the country. The bottom line is that whites don't like the idea that people of color have made contributions to this country which has made it a far better place to live.America will never change and I mean never change. The world knows. The tolerates us.. But the world is growing and sooner or later they are going to tell us to kiss their ass.

it was pretty freaked up but have you looked at it lately open your eyes if you want to sit back and call anyone an idiot look at yourself because this coutry has never been in this bad of shape as it has been since jan came around we are going down hill as a country and hopefully Mr. Obama will not get re-elected because this country can not withstand another 4 years of his putting this country futher into poverty of course not for those who are already on the welfare system we are taking care of them they are living off of us and enjoying every minute of it they have it made

Debbie, No one man could turn this country around in 5 months of presidancy, and with the damages the idiot prior to Obama has done, any rational person could of seen more downward turns.

No matter what anyone's opinion of Obama is. NOONE can deny that he is a great improvement to the "man" he replaced.

it seems that people are quick to blame the president before the one in office remember it stems from the ones before them as well but also remember in just 5 months we have faltered so bad in the economy many many jobs have been lost the unemployment rate is the lowest since i can even remember in many years and i'm 50 plants are closing and moving to other countries? organized health plan that the middle class and wealthy are gonna pay for i don't want to pay for some one else's health care we might as well be a communist country do you call that fare because we earn a living and other people are to proud to get off there ass and go find a job a can't find any thing good that mr. obama has done so far if you have "how is that change working for you"

totally disagree on that anyone is better then mr. obama anyone

Debbie, everything you are mentioning started way before Obama took office.
Unemployeemnt rate, outsourcing, healthcare, bank failures, were all MAJOR problems before Obama took over.

not near as bad you have to admit your not looking at the broad picture of all the companies closing major companies business that were in business for years now GM is 60% owned by the government wow government motors something i wouldnt buy obama has brought the country literally to it's knees and we aren't gonna rise up any time soon you will see this if you open you eyes if not just sit back and watch for yourself but you can be the judge for yourself you will be anyway and when it's time to vote you go ahead and vote the idiot back in office if you think that he has done such a good job for this country

get the hell the hell out of the military!!

Why was Bush or Clinton's or Regans, BC ever asked for? Why is it Obama is not Natural-born citizen?

Sounds like you are the racist one( SSGrivera . He sounds like a chicken (cook) I won't dignify him by calling him mr or maj.

Although the Maj. has a legitimate right to question Obama's authority considering that no real birth certificate has been produced yet, his integrity as an officer is in question. Who would want to share a workspace with him now? Will other people take this measure into their own hands throughout the government and military?

thsts what alot of Americans would like to know what is his true Nationality muslim/white is what is expected but not born to the USA of any sorts if he were then his BC shouldn't be hiden in any way but for some strange reason they won't let it be known at all what is there to hide if you are an AMERICAN my guess is, is he isn't and that would make him not legal to be president which i don't consider him anyway he is a disaster to our country

I guess I ain't eligible to be President. My ancestors walked from the NewNited States chasing a bunch of you hoss thieves, and came to California where Mexico give them citizenship and large ranchos three generations ago. We still chase you frenchified hoss thieves though you got to believin' it's horribly unfair to be approached so queerly. I guess that's why I was a state conscript slave (USXXXX3100, 22G20). Not like a real NewNited States citizen.

you sound just a tad biter my friend we're you born in the USA or not

u guys are such assholes would u shut the fuck up and major get going or get the fuck out.

and you are who?

We are not fighting a war, we are giving are counry to the rich. Obama is a pupit of the Rothchild family. Satin is who they worship look at our country it's gone. All of our jobs are overseas and we are left here with unemployment. The govenmment wants to control our lives. Clinton,Bush#1,Bush#2 and now Obama have taken the American dream and Constitution and flushed it down the towlett. Keith

We are not fighting a war, we are giving are counry to the rich. Obama is a pupit of the Rothchild family. Satin is who they worship look at our country it's gone. All of our jobs are overseas and we are left here with unemployment. The govenmment wants to control our lives. Clinton,Bush#1,Bush#2 and now Obama have taken the American dream and Constitution and flushed it down the towlett. Keith

so well said he is just making it worse keith and getting worse the longer he stays in office

Tell it, Keith. We haven't had a president worth a shit since Reagan.

It has nothing to do with the fact hes black. Actually Im happy he is so that black people will finailly shut up about something that happened 100 years ago with people who arent even alive anymore. I just think Obama is hiding something and just needs to man up and face it. If the birth certificate is really legit, then why has no one seen it? its not that big of a deal unless its fake.

i think amanda has said it best your right what happened 100 years ago had nothing to do with any of us in this time era and they fail to remember a White man freed them i guess alittle detail and your right again mr. obama man up show you birth certificate what something to hide

This is a stupid debate everyone of you should be ashamed

well if your not up to reading individuals opinions then maybe you should not be on this site it's obviously not for you

What makes this country so great is the different nationality that you can't find anywhere else in the world. If you look in the bible, times are getting hard. This is a time to hold close to family and loved ones and start respecting your neighbors... If China or N. Korea attacks the U.S. I bet race wont be an issue then. Then will you ask for birthcertificates

1) Explain why is this a stupid debate.
2) Why should we be ashamed of having an opinion. That's what we do in America.
3) Why aren't you ashamed for being so spineless that you couldn't have left a name for me to reference you.

I served 23 years in the US Army and i retird in 2004 served under many Commander in Chiefs but one thing I can guarantee you of if I were to have had to serve under Mr. Obama I would have probably went AWOL without a doubt he is a sad commander in chief to say the least and he should be questioned when it comes to his bc

You should be ashamed of having a user name like Fat Cat! LOL

i'm with Fat Cat that spineless person is a coward and seems to be clueless as to the shape our country is really in seems to me you need to open you eyes

Did you guys pay attention in school? Everyone knows that you have to show your birth certificate to be President. Who are you to ask the president to show his birthcertificate when he apparently has already done so. Do you really think that they would let him in the house without one. Come on come back to reality.

It's what people know me by. Too late to change it now. Been using it for years. Besides, no one can pronounce my real name anyway, LOL back at yo.

Debbie don't you understand the shape our country was in before President Obama got in office? And now your saying that within five months of office our President single handly drove our nation into its now state?

I'm not sure if you watched/heard the court proceedings on this case but when fox & friends got ahold of the BC to make public the Judge on this case said it was to be sealed and never to be shown or made public no one was to see obamas BC now why is this such a secret theres something hiding here

Last of a Dyin Breed: Then lets see it.

No what i'm saying is that he has made it worse then it has ever been in all time with whatever president has been in office in such a short period he isn't making it better he's is making it worse wake up if you think it's getting better then i hope the change is working for you

This county is going to hell whether obama was born in this country or not. It was going to hell before he got in office and it's going to hell faster now.

And don't tell me he inherited it from Bush because Reagan inherited a bad economy from Carter and was able to turn it around.

And yes, Last of a Dyin Breed, I did pay attention in school. Especially history!

definately going to hell faster now

To my knowledge times get harder everyday I wake up and turn on the news.... and not because of one person. To me things are the same way they were when Bush was in office. No one has pointed a finger at the real people that started this mess. Weapons of Mass Destruction? Where? Korea has them and I don't see us over there. And to Fat Cat I don't have to prove or show you anything, I'm living proof of my title, and by the way your antics are, I'm pretty sure u r 2!!!

I am not too ashamed or proud to be with a person when they are right. And yes Fat Cat you are right this country was going to hell no matter who was elected. The government is filled with greed.

well you haven't quite woken up all the way yet because things are much worse then when bush was in office and they are getting worse everything is getting worse everyday turn on the tv watch the news cnn fox & friends it doesn't take much to figure these things out that people are becoming unemployeed by the 1000's everyday big businesses are moving oversea's businesses are shutting there doors after years of being in business the economy SUCKS more then you obviously are willing to admit and this is getting worse day by day things are not good

Even if Obama was born in Indonesia or Kenya, as the son of an American Parent, he is a native born citizen, and qualified to be president as far as the constitution is concerned. Whether he is qualified by experience to be a good president we will find out.

For those who questioned whether Obama is black, he is half African. He is not an African-American, as African American is a term we use for the descendants of slaves in the US, most of whom came from West Africa.

President Obama is from a clan in East Africa that were substantially responsible for filling the slave markets. If your glad you are now in the US (and if you have been to West Africa, with few exceptions you know youare better off than your cousins who remained there), then thank the Obama clan.

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well i tell you we have all found out that experience is lacking mr.obama and thanking him is something i would never find myself doing i have nothing to thank him for until he picks this country up and puts us back on our feet

Debbie... I'm starting to think that you just like arguing! I clearly stated "To my knowledge times get harder everyday I wake up and turn on the news." Then in return u said "the economy SUCKS more then you obviously are willing to admit and this is getting worse day by day things are not good." Did u not just say the same thing I just said or am I reading in a different language?

Oh, that was mature coming from someone who call itself "Last of a Dyin Breed".

Someone needs a nap!

do i like arguing no just trying to explain that obama is the one who has put us in this disaster and that he is digging us deeper into a hole that he is going to be unable to get us out of but for some reason some people are blind to the fact and can't see what he is doing and think he some messiah and thinks he's great and doing a wonderful job or is it just me maybe im the blind one that sees the piss poor job our world/economy has gotten into as of lately even more so since he has taken office hey maybe it is me!

Also Debbie how can you say things are much worse than when Bush was in office? What he started was a snowball affect of things that were to get worse as time went on. No one man can hold up his hand and turn everything around. Are you from this country? Where have you been the last few years?

just remember bush got it from clinton and so on and son on can't blame one witout blaming the other. so where have you been i think i have probably been around alittle longer then you

I disagree that the country has only started going to hell since Obama. My 401K is a clear indicator of that, but we need a great leader to get us the hell out of this mess and I just don't see obama doing that. I see him buying banks and car companies and such.

I see the beginnings of Socialism since he's taken office, and that scares me more than anything

Debbie, he visited his grandmother just before she passed away. As being born on a base, we have a base in Iraq that does not mean its american soil. It took Reagan 3 to 4 years before it turned around. To keith and fat cat, REAGAN SOLD ARMS TO IRAN FOR RELEASE OF HOSTAGES(IRAN-CONTRA). THEN HE SUPPORTED IRAQ WITH BIOLOGICAL WARFARE TO END THE IRAN_IRAQ WAR. THEN THERE WAS THE AMNESTY IN 1986 THAT THE CORPORATE GREED FLOURISHED ON IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND MANUFACTURING, WHICH IS HALF OF THE 6 MILLION JOBS THAT WERE LOST. OBAMA WAS ELECTED INTO OFFICE BY AMERICANS. THE ELECTORAL VOTES WAS MORE THAN 2TO1. GIVE THIS GUY A chance. did gm go under during reagan years, no. THE DECLINE OF WESTERN CIVILAZATION.

IF IT WAS NOT FOR GOVERNMENT BEING INVOLVED, WE WOULD BE IN A HELL OF A LOT WORSE SITUATION. GM

Victor, Victor, Victor. Keep your voice down. Use your inside voice.

Thanks for the history lesson but as I said before, I payed attention in history class. Also be careful with throwing random facts about presidents you clearly don't like. No president has ever made it through office unscathed and random facts about your favorite presidents may be next.

yeah he didn't leave his campaign to go to her funeral though(inhuman) secon gm is now owned 60 % by the government so basically government motors won't buy from them will not give the guy a chance when he has done nothing but lied and obama was elected by most people who had never even voted before in there lives because they wanted to make history by voting in a black man oh they'll make history(it won't be because he's black) so paople came out of the wood work for the first time in there lives then htere were those questioned votes that people still question but he is in office and they have only themselves to blame i didn't vote for the inexperienced man so i have nothing to worry about and i can voice my opinion all i care to about him

oh did i forget to mention acorn voting scam wow how many votes came from that

I served for twentyfour years and one thing I found out was this, Black, White, Brown, Yellow or any other color for some reason we all bleed RED. You are right he had to prove he was born in the United States of America to run as pres. So shut the fuck up and do your job as you said you were going to do. And if you can not do that then put your happy ass in Levenworth as a trader.

I can hardly believe what I am reading in the comments made. Do we really have so many truly stupid citizens in our democracy? Obama is a citizen and there is no question of that fact. The deranged right wingers will do and say anything to forward their ideology...lets just hope they never get back in power again to lead our country down the slippery bush/cheney slope to hell.

I can hardly believe what I am reading in the comments made. Do we really have so many truly stupid citizens in our democracy? Obama is a citizen and there is no question of that fact. The deranged right wingers will do and say anything to forward their ideology...lets just hope they never get back in power again to lead our country down the slippery bush/cheney slope to hell.

Because, deranged left wingers would never do thaaat.

I love it when you deranged left wingers throw rocks at glass houses;)

Some men know what it means to take an oath to support and defend the constitution of the United States, some are clueless.

The Constitution clearly states the requirements to hold the top office.

Being born in the US isn't one.

Being born of immigrants isn't one anymore as that ended at the time the constitution was signed. Being born of one immigrant and one citizen doesn't qualify either, thats obvious if one looks at the reasoning behind the description of "citizens". It takes two citizens, natural born or naturalized to produce a natural born child.

Congress can not legislate the meaning of any word or law in an attempt to circumvent the constitution. They may propose an amendment, which in this case they did and it failed miserably. Was that racist? Not at all, it was rational. The same rationale that has been built upon since mankind began to think and reason about historical facts.

Don't like the facts? or don't understand them and what they mean in a world of competition for your sweat and blood? I thought so or you wouldn't be frothing over a liar and skilled manipulator.

This is a little late but FAT CAT if you want to know the reason of my title it speaks for itself. You telling me that I need a nap I expect that from a person that refers themself to a feline that naps all day. And Deb or Debbie is it... I'm not your son and I do know my history, apparently I'm not getting anywhere I'm not trying to make war just peace there is enough hatred in this world. May all of you have a blessed day.

Debbie, just imagine how many more jobs would have been lost. Estimated that tens of thousands would have been lost. GM just came out of bankruptcy. Bank of americas shares were down below 2 now there about 12. Hell any investor who puts good money down on a business wants a piece. Anyways its a loan to where its going to be paid back. If it was SOCIALISM it would be 100% owned by government. I tell you if Mcain would have been elected , god knows how long the Iraq conflict would have gone on. AL_SADRE IS IN IRAN STUDYING IN COLLEGE. THE SURGE ONLY WORKED WHEN AL_SADRE WENT FOR A TRUCE. THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE WHEN THE TROOPS LEAVE AND IRAN SEEKS REVENGE FROM THE IRAN_IRAQ WAR. I'M SUR ACORN DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO COVER A 70 to 30% PERCENTAGE.(LOL)

i didn't call you my son i have a son whom you could never replace i said so on and son on just miss spelled so by adding an n so please don't flater yourself my son didn't vote for mr obama either he' smarter then that

i didn't call you my son i have a son whom you could never replace i said so on and so on just miss spelled so by adding an n so please don't flater yourself my son didn't vote for mr obama either he' smarter then that

60%is still government and if you think this loan is gonna be repaid well then they'll ask for another bailout and then pay big bonus' hey just like the outgoing gm ceo just got his big bonus today now wonder where that big payout came from gotta wonder victor got any suggestions on that

GM just stated in the LA times that the future looks good. That the are going to be stronger. 100% IS SOCIALISM. It's funny how you didn't back up the 70 to 30% landslide in the election. I didn't know there was millions and millions ACORN members(LOL).We'll see in 3 years. If the economy does turn around a little

TARP was a cover for the bad lending policies that generated the so called toxic assets. many of those bad mortgages were "in the pipeline" and had to be identified and removed from the banks. There still is no accounting of those bad mortgages. The spinoff of poor lending oversight was the cause of detroits problems. No amount of government intervention will fix detroit. The takeover was a method of forcing the business to adopt the "green" agenda and while at it the payoff to the union bosses went right under everyones noses without a whiff of the stench of corruption. Anyone who listened to this campaign to "spread the wealth" and appealing to those who enjoy getting a government check knows that that is indeed socialist. Nothing in this "change" will or has been done in the open. The powers at work here are not so stupid to think we wouldn't take a stand if it were obvious what they were doing. You have to ask yourself, did the German people see it coming when Hitler gradually amassed power? Did the Russians see Stalin coming? Has any people ever volunteered to be oppressed? Then how are we any smarter? We aren't, we only have a piece of paper that is supposed to keep government in a servant role but it only works if we jealously guard it. To do so requires we know why those rules were written down and that scheming for power is as old as time and tireless in its pursuit of it.

The bad lending policies is indirectly the same thing as poor lending oversight. Did you notice the "shares" on wall street before it was helped out. Below $2. They were on a slide awhile back. The TARP was during the bush administration. GM is a mixture of UNION and CORPORATE. Government checks just didn't start during this administration, it goes way back. For socialism to work there is 100% ownership. We were talking about going "GREEN" awhile back, it just didn't start now. MAYBE IF THERE WAS NOT DEREGULATION, WHICH THE REPLUBLICANS DON'T BELIEVE IN, WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS MESS>

most of these comments who bash this soldier for standing up for the truth and say he needs to crawl back into his hole, or do this or do that, probably have never even been in the military. so what, its the truth, just show the birth certificate!!!!! no big deal and i dont care if the background check is really detailed and scrutinized. so be it then proof of certificate would have surfaced. WTF

Do you think that they would let obama run for the presidency if he did not show proof. What would make him different from any other candidate. WTF

why did you just bring the issue to light when there was a pending order for you to deploy to iraq? why didn't you quit the military as soon as big O was elected president? are you one of those freeloader milking the system?

Mr. President, Please before this becomes any more of a black/white issue provide the proof that every american can support. VN Vet.

Simple easy comment here.

Why won't the Pres release his b.c?

I am just asking.

Simple easy comment here.

Why won't the Pres release his b.c?

I am just asking.

Simple easy comment here.

Why won't the Pres release his b.c?

I am just asking.

Simple easy comment here.

Why won't the Pres release his b.c?

I am just asking.

Simple easy comment here.

Why won't the Pres release his b.c?

I am just asking.

Your NUTS should be cut-off Major....... So that the "COWARD GENE" stops with you!!! You knew there might be a chance you went to combat whenever you signed the "dotted-line" of your contract. So.... get out there and do the job YOU signed-up to do.
Major Cook, You cast shame to many brave men and women who have/are serving our country, and you have especially disgraced the MANY-MAJORS of the US ARMY, BEFORE YOU!!!! I hope and pray that in your battle to stay state-side.... You will become an ARMY OF ONE(and the "one" I am referring to you is my middle-finger).

Don't be a "DIP-SHIT"!!!! The President was born in U.S., Major Cook is just a F@#*ing COWARD and I'm pretty sure MOMMY and DADDY are really proud of little Stephan. It is my opinion that you, as a US Citizen, need to take a look DEEEEP-Down in your Heart and Earn the Paycheck you so eagerly spend during peace-time. There are Men/Missions that rely on your knowledge/training. In the BIG-PICTURE... Could mean the difference between life or death for several Military personel/civilians.
Time to "MAKE-THE-DONUTS" Stephan(You don't rate the title) EB Silva,USMC

What the heck is going on in America. Have we lost our minds??? Put these weak bast*rds in JAIL. Maybe Sadaam Hussein was right, Americans have become soft (metros) and are afraid of their own blood. A whole generation of single mothers raising males (boys). Our boys went limp. See you on the front lines.

your such a dip shit coward soldier the issue here is the america start to police the world after WW2 AND REMEMBER THOSE SOLDIER FIGHTING AT VIETNAM WAR,AFGHAN WAR,IRAQ WAR ALL THOSE ARE AMERICAN SOLDIER FULFIILLING THEIR DUTY!!!

TO ALl the idiots

President Obama was born to an American citizen, in an American Hospital, on American soil. Last time I checked Hawaii was a state or did you all forget that. With those points that makes him a natural born citizen. I dont know how we can praise someone like George W Bush for messing up this country worse than any other american in History or praise this Maj for being a coward. That is the oath he took when he enlisted that if he was called to duty he would go without question whether he liked or disliked the current commander and chief. People like him disgrace the other service men who have fought for their country in all of our conflicts. He should not be allowed to wear his uniform and kicked out of the army if he is not willing to do his duty.

Army charges officer for refusing to fight in Iraq

By Daisuke Wakabayashi

Wed Jul 5, 8:28 PM ET

The U.S. Army filed three charges on Wednesday against an officer who refused to fight in Iraq due to objections over the legality of the war.

First Lt. Ehren Watada, who supporters say is the first commissioned U.S. officer to publicly refuse to serve in Iraq and face a military court, remained at Fort Lewis base in Washington state when his unit shipped out to Iraq on June 22.

Watada called the war and U.S. occupation of Iraq "illegal" and said participation would make him a party to war crimes.

In a statement, the Army said it had charged Watada, 28, with missing movement, contempt toward officials and conduct unbecoming an officer.

"Officers are held to a high moral and legal standard. Acts contrary to this standard may be tried by court-martial," said the Army statement.

If found guilty of all charges, Watada could face several years in confinement, dishonorable discharge and forfeiture of pay, according to the Army. The missing movement charge carries the heaviest punishment of confinement of up to two years.

Watada's lawyer said he expected the missing movement charge, but was somewhat surprised by the decision to charge the officer with contempt toward officials and conduct unbecoming an officer, because it raises free speech issues.

"What he said about the war and the way the war began and the misrepresentations by the Bush administration are all true. Not only does he have a right to make those statements, he has an obligation to make those statements," said Eric Seitz, Watada's Honolulu-based attorney.

"The reasons why they are going after him for the things he said is because they want to muzzle him," Seitz said.

Watada's objection to the war sparked rallies in support and protest near Fort Lewis, Seattle and in other U.S. cities.

Watada, who had said he did not apply for conscientious objector status because he isn't against war in general, now faces a pre-trial investigation and will continue to work at the base, Army officials said.

He first attempted to resign in protest over the war in January, but the Army refused to accept his resignation, according to his supporters. Watada has said he would be willing to serve in Afghanistan, but not Iraq.

He is so high and mighty that he sees Afghanistan as just and Iraq as a war crime? I think he better refocus on that one for only Dubya is so wise as to be such a decider.

My opinion is that I hope ALL you C.O DIE IN HELL!!!

I would like to ask the major, did he ask to see any of his chain of commands birth certificate? Did he ask to see his state representatives birth certificates? Until he questions everyone who has any type of authority or those he help get elected to office, until he does this he has no right to question the President of the United States. And it is people like him who wishes to keep this country divided. Also as a soldier he should know that "United we stand and divided we fall". It is so sad that everyone who did not vote for President Obama wishes that as a nation we fail. It speaks volume about this nation as a whole. The nation is not only failing due to previous presidents, our great nation is failing because of selfishness and hatred. Hatred will eat its young and old. We will be known not as the United States we will know as the "Bitter States" which also stands for "BS" when we do not agree with certain things that we have no control over. God Bless America.....and may everyone learn to love one another regardless of race. I say let us pray for all our representatives and their families. Because they have to make hard decisions, rather right, wrong or indiffent. Major, I want to ask how hard was your decision?

A conscientious objector (CO) is an individual who, on religious, moral or ethical grounds, refuses to participate as a combatant in war or, in some cases, to take any role that would support a combatant organization armed forces. In the first case, conscientious objectors may be willing to accept non-combatant roles during conscription or military service. In the second case, the CO objects to any role within armed forces and results in complete rejection of conscription or military service and, in some countries, assignment to an alternative civilian service as a substitute for conscription or military service. Some conscientious objectors may consider themselves pacifist, non-resistant, or antimilitarist.

My Opinion and Tax dollars would suggest an ammended clause on the military contract you signed that states..."In the event you so shall file /make claim as a conscientious objector, you shall be arraigned in the court of military justice, and detained in a Federal Penn. for the life of the contract with all forfeiture of pay." What Do You Think???? EB Silva/USMC

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EBS/USMC

Obama's a rich politician, they don't have to prove anything. He coulda been born in Atlantis and gotten elected thanks to friends in high places. He's just another lowlife who tricked people into thinking it matters who you vote for.

This would be a mute issue if O would just show his damn birth certificate. But I forget, you don't question the messiah. Screw all of you who attack anyone who isn't happy with the president you sheep chose. Obama did not win the election. People voted against the Busch administration. If there had been another candidate not tied to Busch then Obama would be just another also ran.

Does it really matter? What is, is. We can fight amongst ourselves, or stand together as Americans! I wonder what weakens us the most. The idea that many have that the President elect is not legally the President simply because he won't produce his birth certificate to the public, or all this back fighting about it among Americans. I guess we are no longer standing against Terrorism together, but simply giving him (terrorists) what he needs to win, a divided America.

For the major,
You're just the type of military personnell we do NOT need. Sign up, take the money and benefits, then when it actually comes time to DO YOUR JOB, you balk at it. We have legalized citizens who have more intestinal fortitude than you. They were not born here, but were still willing to place their lives in the service of their country. You are not an American, you are a coward.

"and for all those who have forgotten the social studies........ a person must have three genterations of PROVEN AMERICAN CITIZENRY..... to be elgible to run for president....... that is one of the few things that is strckly reviewed"

The retard's sperm donor was and is not an American citizen. His mother and her family were.

His refusal to put all the doubts to rest by having his record sealed was ONE of the bad things he will do. Just makes him look like he has something to hide. He's a politician, of course he has things to hide. Don't they all?

As far as his race? Who cares. Americans are not an African-American or Mexicans or Germans.

We are AMERICANS, and if you claim anything other than that, you need to move back to that country.

Messiah my ass. False Messiah is more like it.

For the major,
You're just the type of military personnell we do NOT need. Sign up, take the money and benefits, then when it actually comes time to DO YOUR JOB, you balk at it. We have legalized citizens who have more intestinal fortitude than you. They were not born here, but were still willing to place their lives in the service of their country. You are not an American, you are a coward.

"and for all those who have forgotten the social studies........ a person must have three genterations of PROVEN AMERICAN CITIZENRY..... to be elgible to run for president....... that is one of the few things that is strckly reviewed"

The retard's sperm donor was and is not an American citizen. His mother and her family were.

His refusal to put all the doubts to rest by having his record sealed was ONE of the bad things he will do. Just makes him look like he has something to hide. He's a politician, of course he has things to hide. Don't they all?

As far as his race? Who cares. Americans are not an African-American or Mexicans or Germans.

We are AMERICANS, and if you claim anything other than that, you need to move back to that country.

Messiah my ass. False Messiah is more like it.

ok seriously google it we have a copy of his birht certificate he was born in Hawawi a recognized state, to be president that is all you need. So to you major quit makeing excuses man up and get it over with. Besides Obama didnt start this war bush did so technically its his orders your following.

It's funny how it got quiet all of a sudden. Debbie, any compassion person would know to visit their close ones before they pass on. You can visit the plot as many times as you like after they have passed, but they only die once. Maybe you'll figure it out when you experience a close person to you that has passed on. As for the economy, the CBO had already projected the deficit to hit 1.2 trillion the day Obama stepped into office. With the 700 billion bailout package(TARP) back in the summer of 2008(under bush). That was besides the starting of the bailouts for the car companies and the banks. The only proposal so far from Obama is the 787 billion stimulus package that he signed back in febuary. By the fiscal year that ends in october, the CBO estimates the deficit to hit 1.8 trillion(1.2 trillion is that of bush). Sean Hannity needs to pull his head out of his ass(as he said Obama quadrupled the deficit. Now for health care, i say leave it the way it is for now, as for the "cap and trade", i disagree with it. As for the Iraq War(unjustified),800 billion has been spent at the end of march 2009. As for the MAJOR, i don't think he is a coward, but i do think he is prejudice. I don't see anybody else teaming up with him on this matter. Sure he'll fight a unjustified war in Iraq, but the true War is in the Afghanistan and Pakistan border(Taliban and Al-Quaida). Bush left Obama a HELL of a mess to clean up. That is besides the North Korean and Iran Nucleur program that bush also left behind to Obama. To let you all know, i am a MODERATE INDEPENDENT. UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.

Well Victor,
I think youre a bit long-winded, and off-the-subject....but thats my opinion.
When you peel-back all the bullshit/excuses... You are still left with the FACT of defaulting on your contract. Example: When you apply for creditcards at a 6.8% intrest rate, provided you make your payments on time, (because if you are late, the intrest jumps to 19%)Then you loose your job and are always late paying you minimum balance.... Is the creditcard company going to care that you are "Screaming" I got laid-off??? No!!!! because you have a legal-binding contract with them regaurdless on how you feel, you will still be committed to honor that contract despite the cicumstances, or face the "music".
(*Now don't get wrapped-up on my example.... the main point I'm trying to get across is that Stephan has a legal contract that was signed by him without force, and knowingly signed it with the chance of him going into combat/hostile territory at anytime after his initial training. His country needs him based on his training.... and he DENIES it. Breach of Contract... What makes him think he doesn't have to honor his contract? FYI....It's called COWARDNESS!!!!
EBS/USMC

1–5. Policy
a. Personnel who qualify as conscientious objectors under this regulation will be classified as such, consistent with
the effectiveness and efficiency of the Army. However, requests by personnel for qualification as a conscientious
objector after entering military service will not be favorably considered when these requests are—
(1) Based on a claim of conscientious objection that existed and satisfied the requirements for classification as a
conscientious objector according to section 6(j) of the Military Selective Service Act, as amended (50 USC, App
456(j)), and other provisions of law when such a claim was not presented before dispatch of the notice of induction,
enlistment, or appointment. Claims based on conscientious objection growing out of experiences before entering
military service, however, which did not become fixed until after the person’s entry into the service, will be considered.
(2) Based solely on conscientious objection claimed and denied on their merits by the Selective Service System
before induction when application under this regulation is based on substantially the same grounds, or supported by
substantially the same evidence, as the request that was denied under the Selective Service System. Refusal to reopen a
person’s classification, under the Selective Service System, after his or her entry into service does not have any
significance on the merits of a registrant’s claim. If views are expressed under the Selective Service System concerning
the merits of the claim of a registrant whose beliefs have crystallized after dispatch of his or her induction notice, in
connection with a refusal to reopen his or her classification, such expressions must be given no consideration.
(3) Based solely upon policy, pragmatism, or expediency. Applicants who are otherwise eligible for conscientious
objector status may not be denied that status simply because of their views on the nation’s domestic or foreign policies.
(4) Based on objection to a certain war.
(5) Based upon insincerity.
(a) The most important consideration is not whether applicants are sincere in wanting to be designated as a
conscientious objector, but whether their asserted convictions are sincerely held. Sincerity is determined by an impartial
evaluation of each person’s thinking and living in totality, past and present. The conduct of persons, in particular their
outward manifestation of the beliefs asserted, will be carefully examined and given substantial weight in evaluating
their application.
(b) Relevant factors that should be considered in determining a person’s claim of conscientious objection include
training in the home and church; general demeanor and pattern of conduct; participation in religious activities; whether
ethical or moral convictions were gained through training, study, contemplation, or other activity comparable in rigor
and dedication to the processes by which traditional religious convictions are formulated; credibility of persons
supporting the claim.
(c) Applicants may have sought release from the Army through several means simultaneously, or in rapid succession
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(medical or hardship discharge, and so forth). They may have some major commitments during the time their beliefs
were developing that are inconsistent with their claim. They may have applied for conscientious objector status shortly
after becoming aware of the prospect of undesirable or hazardous duty or having been rejected for a special program.
The timing of their application alone, however, is never enough to furnish a basis in fact to support a disapproval.
These examples serve merely as indicators that further inquiry as to the person’s sincerity is warranted. Recommendations
for disapproval should be supported by additional evidence beyond these indicators.
b. Care must be exercised not to deny the existence of beliefs simply because those beliefs are incompatible with
one’s own. Church membership or adherence to certain theological tenets are not required to warrant separation or
assignment to noncombatant training and service. Mere affiliation with a church or other group that advocates
conscientious objection as a tenet of its creed does not necessarily determine a person’s position or belief. Conversely,
affiliation with a church group that does not teach conscientious objection does not necessarily rule out adherence to
conscientious objection beliefs. Applicants may be or may have been a member of a church, religious organization, or
religious sect; and the claim of conscientious objection may be related to such membership. If so, inquiry may be made
as to their membership, the teaching of their church, religious organization or sect, as well as their religious activity.
However, the fact that these persons may disagree with, or not subscribe to, some of the tenets of their church does not
necessarily discredit their claim. The personal convictions of each person will dominate so long as they derive from the
person’s moral, ethical, or religious beliefs. The task is to decide whether the beliefs professed are sincerely held and
whether they govern the claimant’s actions in word and deed.
c. The burden of establishing a claim of conscientious objection as grounds for separation or assignment to
noncombatant training and service is on the applicant. To this end, applicants must establish, by clear and convincing
evidence, that the nature or basis of the claim comes within the definition of criteria prescribed in this regulation for
conscientious objection and that their beliefs are sincere. Applicants have the burden of determining and setting forth
the exact nature of the request; that is, whether they request separation based on conscientious objection (1–0) or
reassignment to noncombatant training and service based on conscientious objection (1–A–0).
d. An applicant claiming (1–0) status will not be granted (1–A–0) status as a compromise. Similarly, discharge will
not be recommended for those who apply for classification as a noncombatant.
e. This regulation will not be used to effect the administrative separation of persons who do not qualify as
conscientious objectors. Nor will it be used instead of administrative separation procedures such as those provided for
unsatisfactory performance, substandard performance of duty, or misconduct, or as otherwise set forth in other Army
regulations (AR 600–8–24 or AR 635–200). Under no circumstances will administrative separation of these persons be
effected according to this regulation.
f. This regulation does not prevent the administrative elimination, according to law and Army regulations, of any
person whose performance of duty after reclassification as a (1–A–0) conscientious objector is substandard or who
exhibits another basis for elimination.

This is what you have to put in writing when you want to claim yourself as a C.O.(How Humiliating)
will submit an application on DA Form 4187 (Personnel Action) to their immediate commanding officer.
Personnel will indicate whether they are seeking discharge or assignment to noncombatant duties. Applications must
also include all of the personal information required by appendix B, and any other information personnel desire to
submit. Completion of the foregoing constitutes a formal application. Personnel will date and sign the DA Form 4187
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and each enclosure. Nonunit members (Individual Ready Reserve and Standby Reserve) will submit their applications
to the oversea area commander or Commander, U.S. Army Human Resources Command–St. Louis (USAHRC–St.
Louis), 1 Reserve Way, St. Louis, MO 63132–5200, as appropriate. Applications from recruits will not be submitted to
or accepted by MEPCOM or reception stations. For this regulation, the basic training company is considered to be the
first duty station for a recruit applying under this regulation.
b. Under normal circumstances, applications from active duty personnel in Active Army units will be processed and
forwarded to HQDA within 90 days from the date submitted. Extraordinary circumstances (but not routine field
exercises) may lengthen this period. If processing time of an application exceeds 90 days, the general court–martial
convening authority (GCMCA) will state the reasons for the delay and add these reasons as an enclosure to the record.
Applications from Reserve Component personnel will be processed and forwarded to HQDA within 180 days from the
date submitted. If processing of an application exceeds 180 days, the GCMCA will state the reasons for the delay for
the record, and add these reasons as an enclosure to the record.
c. The person’s chain of command will ensure that—
(1) The application is processed expeditiously.
(2) All persons involved in the application process are familiar with their respective responsibilities.
2–2. Advising applicants
a. At the time applicants submit their application, commanders receiving their application will advise them of the
pertinent provisions of 5 USC 552a as set forth in figure 2–2. Commanders will inform applicants that the advice
applies to all successive steps in the application process, including interviews and solicited written statements. After
being advised, applicants will sign and date the statement at figure 2–2. It will then be made part of their application.
b. Commanders will ensure that persons requesting conscientious objector status (1–0) and discharge are advised
concerning 38 USC 3103. That section provides that the discharge of persons on the grounds that they are conscientious
objectors who refuse to perform military duty, wear the uniform, or otherwise comply with lawful orders of
competent military authority, will bar all their rights under the laws administered by the Department of Veterans’
Affairs (DVA). (These members will not be barred from their rights to certain types of Government insurance.)
Personnel rights will be barred based on the period of service from which the member is discharged or dismissed.
However, exceptions may be made by the administrator of the DVA if the member is determined to have been insane.
After being so advised, the applicant must sign and date the statement at figure 2–3. The statement will be made part of
the application.
c. A person requesting classification as a conscientious objector, noncombatant (1–A–0), will be advised as to the
possible consequences concerning enlistment, reenlistment, or extension in accordance with figure 2–1. He or she must
sign and date the statement that will be made part of the application.
d. During the processing of the application, substantial delay may be incurred by the person’s failure to meet
appointments, submit statements, and so forth. If so, the commander will inform the person that such delay prevents the
Army from taking action on the request and may contribute to an unfavorable decision when the cause of the delay
indicates insincerity on the part of the applicant. Any delay caused by the applicant exceeding 15 days should be made
a matter of record.
e. After the application has been received by the person’s commander, the commander will arrange for the applicant
to be interviewed as soon as possible by a military chaplain and a psychiatrist. The commander will provide the
chaplain a copy of the application for his or her review before the interview.
AR 600–43 • 21 August 2006 3
Figure 2–1. Statement of Understanding, Noncombatant Status
4 AR

Hey Mr. Ed, I think I know what a contract is. I didn't say he has a right to back out of his contract. All i said that he sounds to me like he is prejudiced and that he is using the excuse of Obama is not a natural-born citizen to not to take orders from a NON-LEGITIMATE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. Not only do we have a minority(like you and me Eduardo Silva, i'm a hispanic too) for president, but a African(muslim)with a caucasion background. If you link to the site WWW.Soldier/deploy/obama birth certificate/president/.com,link to the first page and first line , it'll prove that President Obamas birth certificate is authentic. It was approved by the State Department(Read the whole article to understand). You and i know that as being a minority that prejudice is srill alive in america. Not as much, but it's still there. Don't get me wrong, I support our troops in Iraq even though it's a unjustified war. The true war is with the taliban and Al-quaida unless i am wrong. Iraq, no WMD finding or Al-Quaida link.

"Why do we keep letting Stupid Officers into our Ranks. Can't man up to deploy, then turn in your CaC card. Someone with balls will take your place there Major.

SSG Rivera
U.S. ARMY Infantry
ACTIVE DUTY

Posted by: SSG Rivera at July 15, 2009 5:27 AM

boy oh boy white ppl still cant stand that a black man is in charge or is it he just dont want to go he may just piss his pants if he do he have no heart once a marine always a marine

Posted by: dthomas at July 15, 2009 7:10 AM"

PHONY "soldier"........RACIST "black man".......END OF STORY!!!!!

"Why do we keep letting Stupid Officers into our Ranks. Can't man up to deploy, then turn in your CaC card. Someone with balls will take your place there Major.

SSG Rivera
U.S. ARMY Infantry
ACTIVE DUTY

Posted by: SSG Rivera at July 15, 2009 5:27 AM

boy oh boy white ppl still cant stand that a black man is in charge or is it he just dont want to go he may just piss his pants if he do he have no heart once a marine always a marine

Posted by: dthomas at July 15, 2009 7:10 AM"

PHONY "soldier"........RACIST "black man".......END OF STORY!!!!!