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I think I liked Lost in Translation more than Sharon and O-Dub, but their critique of the film has a lot of meat on its bones, and helped me pin down what was bothering me as I watched the movie.

Although certainly overhyped, I found it a charming little film.. it is a movie where not much happens, but like Virgin Suicides it does a great job of setting a mood and gradually washing over you, keeping you engaged and striking an emotional chord without a lot of narrative pyrotechnics. Such a relatively uneventful film can look easy when you get it right but I'm sure it's much harder than it looks, and Sofia Coppola deserves mad props for pulling it off so well. And of course Bill Murray's performance was superb (the only part of this film that truly deserves an Oscar nod), and yeah I did come away with a little crush on Scarlett Johansson.

But I did have this nagging feeling that something was a little off, as I watched their interactions with the Japanese people around them and how they were affected by the environment, and this review helped me isolate the problem and figure out how to express it concretely.

Like Sharon and O, I think my problem with Coppola's characters is they were a bit too comfortable being continually bemused by the "otherness" of everything around them, rather than being compelled to look at themselves any differently. The movie is sold as portraying the experience of an outsider in a foreign land, but in truth the characters never come to terms with their outsider status. Stranded in a world where everyone else is different from them, they just keep on thinking "wow, I'm normal and everyone else here is so weird," and are never given reason to feel like they are the weird ones here. They are never forced to question the assumption that they are the center of the universe, that their American whiteness is normative.

I had forgotten this, but their review reminds me that I was especially struck by the hospital scene they cited, where Bill Murray tries in vain to communicate with two elderly women in the waiting room. I was on the edge of my seat throughout that scene, aching for him to redeem the film by finally making a human connection with someone, and laughing with them instead of at them. I tried to convince myself afterwards that this scene helped fill the void, but I wish they had used the alternate take Sharon and Oliver describe, I think it would have made the film much stronger.

Any thoughts on this from my ever erudite readership? For full disclosure I will note that I haven't seen it since it first hit theaters, and tried to rent it before I wrote this tonight, but it was all rented out.

Posted by jsmooth995 at February 24, 2004 8:18 PM

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i haven't seen it, but my sister thought it was stupid. her main complaint was that the characters were so completely blah and self-absorbed/sewlf-centered that she couldn't imagine why anyone watching the movie could give a shit about them.

just from hearing about it, my thoughts are unless you travel in the type of very proscribed hipster artist circle the movie portrays i really can't understand why you'd give a shit about the characters.

Posted by: bee at February 24, 2004 8:40 PM

proscribed? i meant circumscribed.

Posted by: bee at February 24, 2004 9:17 PM

just from hearing about it, my thoughts are unless you travel in the type of very [circumscribed]hipster artist circle the movie portrays i really can't understand why you'd give a shit about the characters.

I don't think I agree with that...I mean, my moms enjoyed watching the movie for chrissakes.

But I do like Jay's take on this. While I see what Oliver was getting at, I found the movie too well made and to engrossing to dismiss so easily. Perhaps it doesn't deserve the acclaim it has received, and certainly Oliver makes great points about it (as does Jay) but I can't say I honestly disliked the film.

Posted by: David at February 24, 2004 10:50 PM

I saw it a couple of weeks ago. I thought it was pretty good. Not as great as people hype it up to be though. I fell in love with Scarlett.LOL. Those lips, but anyway. The characters seemed to be immmersed in their shallowness. Bill Murray did a great job in his role. It was awkward how the characters kept talking in chinese and Bill couldn't understand. It seemed like they were blabbing on.

Oh and another note. I hear that the blonde girl was based on Cameron Diaz. I guess Spike Jonze and wife didn't get along with Ms. Diaz.

Posted by: quimby at February 24, 2004 11:53 PM

Typically, not many people travel to foreign lands and begin to shed their own cultural identities, then turn and look within themselves and realize that they are infact the ones who are socially benign etc. It simply isn't very realistic- Common today in Hollywood's neverending output of saccharine puke-inducing bile, but still not very realistic.

Truthfully, I don't "care" much for any of the characters in Pulp Fiction for example, but I still enjoyed the movie. In this regard, I think Lost In Translation is still an understated and very beautiful film. The director doesn't strive to justify the selfish inclinations of either of the two main characters. Rather, she allows them to interact in a very flawed, predisposed, human way. And Scarlett J. does indeed make for some good eye (and personality) candy.

Posted by: mic at February 25, 2004 12:53 AM

It was awkward how the characters kept talking in chinese and Bill couldn't understand. It seemed like they were blabbing on.

joke right?

Posted by: David at February 25, 2004 12:55 AM

"Typically, not many people travel to foreign lands and begin to shed their own cultural identities, then turn and look within themselves and realize that they are infact the ones who are socially benign etc. It simply isn't very realistic- Common today in Hollywood's neverending output of saccharine puke-inducing bile, but still not very realistic."

I gotta disagree on that, I don't think it's uncommon at all. It certainly happens to me whenever I travel, even to somewhere like Montreal.

I am not speaking of some soul-shattering religious epiphany.. this type of introspection and self-awareness would only be a major event if you are wrapped up in the smug and oblivious arrogance so many Americans succumb to, especially if they are accustomed to white privilege.

I agree about Pulp Fiction, but then again that is a different type of film that works on different levels, so it may not require the same degree of empathy. This is an interesting question..

Posted by: Jay Smooth at February 25, 2004 1:16 AM

Wait - how did Scarlet J get upgrade to dime status? I mean, provided, even Sharon acknowledged, "she's got a decent ass" but f'reals, Orlando Bloom is prettier than she is.

Posted by: Oliver Wang at February 25, 2004 5:54 AM

Jay, In my comments regarding travellers, I was actually meaning to illustrate a much more exaggerated depiction of self-rumination due to culture shock. Something more along the lines of, as you put it, "some soul-shattering religious epiphany". How often is this type of occurence rendered in Hollywood cinema? You've cited a couple examples in the past yourself (ie The Last Samurai).

For the most part, you seem to agree that this type of change is unlikely to occur if "you are wrapped up in the smug and oblivious arrogance so many Americans succumb to, especially if they are accustomed to white privilege".

You've noted that "many" ascribe to these less than appealing qualitiies.

As for the Pulp Fiction comparisons, I perhaps went a bit too far left, but my argument stands. The characters may not require the same degree of empathy, but both films depict individuals with similarly selfish interests.

And Oliver, How is it you find Orlando Bloom more attractive than Scarlett Johansson? I mean, dude's pretty, but....

Posted by: mic at February 25, 2004 12:01 PM

I loved the movie, though I saw it before all the hype, so maybe if I had gone in with different expectations I would have felt differently. That said, what I really enjoyed about the movie was the way the mood and cinematography of the film meshed so well with the feelings of slighty depressed, drifting alienation the main characters experience. Yes, the plot is thin, but that's not a flaw. The film is exploring the characters' emotions and the evolution of their relationship, not telling an action-packed story. The popmatters review seems to imply that there's some implicit racism in the movie, but I don't see that. As anyone who has traveled abroad for extended periods of time knows, culture shock is tiring and leaves you feeling isolated no matter how much understanding you have of that culture. It's the little things, like having to constantly question your manners and assumptions about social interactions that wears on you. Coppola understands this and does a good job of expressing it while still portraying the Japanese sympathetically. What about the whole night they spend bar-hopping and singing karaoke with their Japanese friends? They seem to all be enjoying each other's company and relating in the same way friends from the same culture do on a regular basis. There's certainly nothing condescending in their protrayal.

And yeah, Scarlett Johansson is damn sexy in the movie. mmm....

Posted by: mallarme at February 25, 2004 12:31 PM

Yeah okay hol' up O-Dub.

You can say whatever you want about Lost in Translation - its far from a perfect movie (although I greatly enjoyed it). But Scarlett Johanssen is off-limits. Girl is beyond beautiful.

Plus, in one interview she said she prefers Biggie to Tupac. I mean, what more do you need?

Posted by: David at February 25, 2004 2:19 PM

Ya'll are tripping - she's like the new frosty white chick, the next Uma (who I always thought was unbearable unattractive). Different strokes for different folks or whatever - she's just not doing it for me AT ALL.

As for the idea that "there's nothing condescedning in their portrayal" - you think the fact that NONE of the Japanese in this movie can speak without slurring their Rs into Ls isn't a cheap ass joke? Please.

Posted by: Oliver Wang at February 25, 2004 7:01 PM

O-Dub,

How bout Bill looking like a giant in the elevator among the tiny Asians. Or the shower nozzle being all the way down. Oh, and you tripping on Scarlett, just look at the lips. They'll get you sooner or later.

Posted by: quimby at February 25, 2004 9:36 PM

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I'm not seeing the Uma comparison at all, she is all lanky and bony where Scarlett is soft and supple.

I mean, Scarlett's not in my top ten or even 20 (she's no Kellita Smith or anything), but I definitely think she's cute.

I do like Uma a lot, for the record, she's a cool actress and seems really sharp IRL, and I think she is beautiful but not in the way that I personally find attractive, if that makes any sense.

Also, I'd take Viggo over Orlando any day.

Posted by: Jay Smooth at February 25, 2004 9:53 PM

Yeah, you know, I've thought about it some more and though I still think the portrayal of the Japanese in the film is overall a sympathetic one, there are a number of stereotype-based jokes. It's just not something I had considered much earlier. The movie struck me for its style and mood and the excellent acting from Murray which pushed most other concerns out of the way.

Posted by: mallarme at February 26, 2004 11:43 AM

jay--

i thought the two women sitting behind Murray in the hospital trying to be quiet about laughing their asses off at him were what made the scene funny. i didn't see him laughing at anything in that scene--he was the butt of the joke as far as i could see, with even the old lady he was talking to finally busting up.

in general, i thought it was a very sad movie about people who don't quite manage to have any sort of epiphany about anything--their surroundings, their relationships, etc. that it made me laugh only underlined the sadness of the characters. i didn't think it was profound, but i did think it was a carefully detailed portrait of what i interpreted as a specific, difficult period in the filmmaker's life.

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